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SGS4 i9500 vs. i9505 different camera sensors? Find out here!

So I bought the Octa Core version too and took some pics with both phones. The i9500 seems to win although the SD600 variant is great too. Shame on Samsung for (probably) two different camera senors on each of them. I'll definitely go with the Exynos version.
There's much more detail on the Exynos version (check out the image of the balcony).
I9500:
I9505:

The sensors are the same so if there is a difference in quality is not down to that.
Sent from my GT-I9505 using XDA

It's probably a camera software differences and not sensors.

noideaforusername said:
It's probably a camera software differences and not sensors.
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That is certainly possible. I remember comparing my faulty HD2 photo quality before I returned it with my newly received one just to see if there was a difference in quality and found there was. Sometimes even identical hardware can throw up different results, especially on something as software dependant as a phone. Those photos don't conclusively prove anything.
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First of all, many thanks for this!
The dynamic range is noticeably better on the Octa-core, it still captures the texture of the yellow house under direct sunlight while the SD600 version loses it due to the light flow. The Octa-core also has a little more details as expected with zero traces of noise on the clouds. It appears that the SD600 sensors produces some noise even in daylight, so a minimal denoising and some sharpening is required. As said many times before, the differences are not major but noticeable, hope we'll see some more comparisons, thank you very much for these!

i9500: Sony Exmor RS
i9505: Sony Exmor R
anyway Im very satisfied with i9505 photos! just compared your orange house composition and the difference is minimal except better house wall texture and very little noise difference is minimal!

Comparing the two sets i can tell Exynos is slightly better.
It handles dynamic range better.
Although the differences are minimal.About 3-4% better.
I'd like to see some night shoots comparison as well.

kultus said:
i9500: Sony Exmor RS
i9505: Sony Exmor R
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This hasn't been confirmed by anyone.

sure it did!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=41166366&postcount=355
http://www.esato.com/archive/t.php/t-205454,1.html
just check by yourself

kultus said:
sure it did!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=41166366&postcount=355
http://www.esato.com/archive/t.php/t-205454,1.html
just check by yourself
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yes sorrowfully it has been confirmed

Pagnell said:
The sensors are the same so if there is a difference in quality is not down to that.
Sent from my GT-I9505 using XDA
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noideaforusername said:
It's probably a camera software differences and not sensors.
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Pagnell said:
This hasn't been confirmed by anyone.
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its been confirmed by many in the camera comparison thread by @BoneXDA
9500 is Sony IMX135(Exmor RS)
9505 is Sony IMX091PQ(Exmor R)
RS sensor is newer one

In the above photos I see no differences, not even between those balcony photos.
bala_gamer said:
its been confirmed by many in the camera comparison thread by @BoneXDA
9500 is Sony IMX135(Exmor RS)
9505 is Sony IMX091PQ(Exmor R)
RS sensor is newer one
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Yep, and to be honest, if it's really true, I'm happy with the Exmor R
Why?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwN_WcBBPaA
Looks more sharper than the RS
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demlasjr said:
In the above photos I see no differences, not even between those balcony photos.
Yep, and to be honest, if it's really true, I'm happy with the Exmor R
Why?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwN_WcBBPaA
Looks more sharper than the RS
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the video is not valid if the lens used in xperias is different from the one in s4

bala_gamer said:
the video is not valid if the lens used in xperias is different from the one in s4
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Well, the sensor is more important than the lens, but the lens have its part too. However, I see no differences between the photos posted by op
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demlasjr said:
Well, the sensor is more important than the lens, but the lens have its part too. However, I see no differences between the photos posted by op
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Sensor and lens are both tremendously important. You're trying to argue against technical facts here backed up by real-world feedback. The RS sensor is simply superior.

demlasjr said:
In the above photos I see no differences, not even between those balcony photos.
Yep, and to be honest, if it's really true, I'm happy with the Exmor R
Why?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwN_WcBBPaA
Looks more sharper than the RS
Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk 2
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I agree that both look great, but can you honestly say that you cannot see a difference in the balcony picture crop?
The balcony and the walls have a lot more details on the i9500 in that photo.
When you zoom in the photo, you can also see a difference in the tree leaves and branches, and other small details.
It's pretty easy to spot now that we have side by side photos.
Concerning the video, I wouldn't trust Xperia photo/video quality after seeing photos from those devices, even though it is Exmor RS (the difference with the S4 is huge, I'm guessing their post processing is really bad).
And as AndreiLux said, both the sensor and lens are important.
That being said, noone is saying you shouldn't be happy with the i9505 camera, I've seen extremely good photos taken with that one, to the point that I didn't know whether is was taken by a i9505 or i9500 (in the photos thread), but you don't have to blindly contradict everything that shows the i9500 as a slightly better camera phone to try to convince yourself, just enjoy yours.
In a few months, there will probably be better ones anyway.

Hi guys! i9500 user here from the Philippines..
Do you experience not able to use your phone's cam flash bec. of the phone sayin like "can't use flash bec. of the phone being warm." We know sometime our phones gets warm due to running alot of heavy app or taking videos on your phone but it shouldn't affect using your flash..

greenhorngreen said:
Hi guys! i9500 user here from the Philippines..
Do you experience not able to use your phone's cam flash bec. of the phone sayin like "can't use flash bec. of the phone being warm." We know sometime our phones gets warm due to running alot of heavy app or taking videos on your phone but it shouldn't affect using your flash..
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i saw that it one of the xml files.. did you note the temperature when you got the message?

bala_gamer said:
i saw that it one of the xml files.. did you note the temperature when you got the message?
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Not yet.. what's the best app to monitor the phones temp? Have you experienced the same flash issue? I mean its works.. its just the on a certain temp the phone will not use flash..

greenhorngreen said:
Not yet.. what's the best app to monitor the phones temp? Have you experienced the same flash issue? I mean its works.. its just the on a certain temp the phone will not use flash..
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use cooltool or system tuner to monitor temps. no i havent experienced this(yet)

[Discussion] Galaxy S8 Official Thread

The long waited device have been annouced, and it was worth waiting. A 5.8" gorgeous display powered by a 10nm processor, a whole new UX and tons of other features. So what do you think about it ? Her you can talk about anything related to the Galaxy S8, enjoy guys ! :good:

I was hoping for that 1000fps camera rumor but it seems that was shot down, camera seems to be the same as in the s7.
That screen though... simply stunning.
I didn't see any mention of the sub pixel array, still pentile?

There is a Chinese site that claims there is a China-exclusive Galaxy S8 boasting 6GB worth of RAM. How likely is this to be true, given that the west will be receiving 4GB RAM variants? If this is true, I don't think I will buy the 'western' variant, rather I'd be looking to get China's exclusive 6GB edition. What are your thoughts?
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peachpuff said:
I was hoping for that 1000fps camera rumor but it seems that was shot down, camera seems to be the same as in the s7.
That screen though... simply stunning.
I didn't see any mention of the sub pixel array, still pentile?
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Even though they didn't mention it, alot of sites are saying it'll shoot ultra-slow motion at 1000fps. Just because it wasn't mentioned does not mean it is inherently non-existent.
Source sammobile "According to a report by Naver, the Galaxy S8′s camera can record 1000fps videos, and the company has achieved this by adding DRAM (used as buffer memory) into the camera sensor itself. Sony’s recently unveiled the Xperia XZ Premium with a 19-megapixel camera sensor (IMX400) that uses a similar technique to capture 960fps slow-motion videos at 720p, but our sources tell us that the Galaxy S8 won’t use the same sensor."

Xephyrex said:
There is a Chinese site that claims there is a China-exclusive Galaxy S8 boasting 6GB worth of RAM. How likely is this to be true, given that the west will be receiving 4GB RAM variants? If this is true, I don't think I will buy the 'western' variant, rather I'd be looking to get China's exclusive 6GB edition. What are your thoughts?
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Even though they didn't mention it, alot of sites are saying it'll shoot ultra-slow motion at 1000fps. Just because it wasn't mentioned does not mean it is inherently non-existent.
Source sammobile "According to a report by Naver, the Galaxy S8′s camera can record 1000fps videos, and the company has achieved this by adding DRAM (used as buffer memory) into the camera sensor itself. Sony’s recently unveiled the Xperia XZ Premium with a 19-megapixel camera sensor (IMX400) that uses a similar technique to capture 960fps slow-motion videos at 720p, but our sources tell us that the Galaxy S8 won’t use the same sensor."
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It's not using Sony's new sensor, it's using same sensor as S7 so definitely no 960+ fps

omgggg this is so ugly haha same **** again even the s7 edge is better than this crap but waiting for the oneplus 5 that will be a bomb

Up to 10% in cpu and 21% in gpu is disappointing considering a switch to 10nm. The A10 got a lot more over A9 last year without a process improvement.
I think I'm going to hold or pass.

peachpuff said:
I was hoping for that 1000fps camera rumor but it seems that was shot down, camera seems to be the same as in the s7.
That screen though... simply stunning.
I didn't see any mention of the sub pixel array, still pentile?
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Somewhere I read something about 4k at 60fps. That would be an indication that this is not the same sensor as the s7

Soufiansky said:
The long waited device have been annouced, and it was worth waiting. A 5.8" gorgeous display powered by a 10nm processor, a whole new UX and tons of other features. So what do you think about it ? Her you can talk about anything related to the Galaxy S8, enjoy guys ! :good:
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There is new camera software and an 8MB front facing camera - the new software is something many DSLR and Digitial cameras have - multi-shot or something like that - camera takes multiple pictures of the same photo very quickly and processes them together to get a better reproduction - helps in low light photos particularly - that is a bad description for what I think will be an awesome addition...can't wait - just hope I can pre-order a G950F Variant here in the US.

Any idea if the speaker has been improved over the s7?

I read a couple of articles that said there would be stereo sound/speakers and they did this by making the earpiece speaker the 2nd speaker.

Xephyrex said:
Even though they didn't mention it, alot of sites are saying it'll shoot ultra-slow motion at 1000fps. Just because it wasn't mentioned does not mean it is inherently non-existent.
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Link?
htcplussony said:
Up to 10% in cpu and 21% in gpu is disappointing considering a switch to 10nm. The A10 got a lot more over A9 last year without a process improvement.
I think I'm going to hold or pass.
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I believe apple makes they're own cpu's from the ground up, samsung/qualcomm simply take pieces from arm and modify it slightly, the snapdragon 835 is an a53 + a slightly modified a72/a73 core, the exynos is probably based on the same thing.

What about development of this device? AOSP roms?

What's new in kernel version 4.4.16? And some benefits aganist 3.10?

Isus <3 said:
What about development of this device? AOSP roms?
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There's lineageos for the exynos s7 so i'm sure it'll come out for the s8... seems a lot of stuff is working, that's surprising.

peachpuff said:
There's lineageos for the exynos s7 so i'm sure it'll come out for the s8... seems a lot of stuff is working, that's surprising.
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True but imo its still not suitable for daily usage

I pre ordered one I do wish Samsung put stereo speakers on the front of the device but as long as what they got now is as loud as the note7 i'll be ok. The finger print scanner looks like it's in a not great spot but i'm not to worried about that since I use my smart watch to keep my phone unlocked

Let's get this thing rooted and going as soon as possible. I worry Samsung will make everyone's life harder with locked bootloaders and other bad surprises we may find along the way. But I'm looking forward to have the hardware in my hands soon and start the boogie

Fahrenheit85 said:
I pre ordered one I do wish Samsung put stereo speakers on the front of the device but as long as what they got now is as loud as the note7 i'll be ok. The finger print scanner looks like it's in a not great spot but i'm not to worried about that since I use my smart watch to keep my phone unlocked
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I think they are relegating the Finger print unlock method. They don't see it as the future of security. It's becoming just an optional extra. That's why they are pushing Iris scanning and a more advanced face unlock method. It should be quicker. We will see.

What size is the SIM card?
Do you still have to make the first calls with a SIM card from the country you bought it from?
Thanks

Any words about a new Audio Amp and DAC to match HTC one?

This Camera App is better than S9+ Stock

If you want very nice and sharp photos than you have to install "Bacon Camera" for your Samsung. We hope that someone can do a mod like Google Pixel Quality.

What does bacon camera do that is better than stock? Stock app is good all around but low lighting, it tends to tint red

The photos are sharper and have less noise. The tint problem will be fixed with an update I think

The only reason Gcam is better than Samsung's is because Google uses machine learning and it's massive database for that, I don't think this camera has these at its disposal.
Edit: This app doesn't support camera2 API, meaning you actually have very little control of what the hardware can do and all changes are software edited.

You can also try Footej Camera

Samsung pro mode is better than most of the copy cat apps in the play store. The only thing that works better is the gcam mod for front facing selfie portraits because of the machine learning blur.
The stock app, and the gcam, are the only camera apps you need.

But gcam is Not Working at this moment for s9+

jassu said:
If you want very nice and sharp photos than you have to install "Bacon Camera" for your Samsung. We hope that someone can do a mod like Google Pixel Quality.
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You wouldn't happen to be the developer of Bacon would you?

I really want the Drama Photo effect from my Galaxy S4. Any idea where I can find this or an app that is like it. This effect will take 4 to 7 shots of a moving subject, and then stitch it together to show the movement of someone. thanks

I don't know any app that give you this. But for me personally I tried yesterday some versions of the gcam mod. Only one version is working a little bit. But picture quality is amazing. I hope someone do a full working mod for our dual camera than you have a Google Pixel camera with Samsung hardware.

jassu said:
I don't know any app that give you this. But for me personally I tried yesterday some versions of the gcam mod. Only one version is working a little bit. But picture quality is amazing. I hope someone do a full working mod for our dual camera than you have a Google Pixel camera with Samsung hardware.
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Which version? Miniuser version have tinting issue and the rest black screen.

xterminater07 said:
Which version? Miniuser version have tinting issue and the rest black screen.
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I can't remember which version either. It was very buggy. It wouldn't save pictures Everytime and FC a lot

BuckRambo said:
I really want the Drama Photo effect from my Galaxy S4. Any idea where I can find this or an app that is like it. This effect will take 4 to 7 shots of a moving subject, and then stitch it together to show the movement of someone. thanks
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Did you find on apkmirror? That was really good module!

rawdikrik said:
Samsung pro mode is better than most of the copy cat apps in the play store. The only thing that works better is the gcam mod for front facing selfie portraits because of the machine learning blur.
The stock app, and the gcam, are the only camera apps you need.
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Agreed! Pro mode on stock is awesome!

xterminater07 said:
Stock app is good all around but low lighting, it tends to tint red
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I thought adding a dual aperture is supposed to help with low lighting???

matistight said:
I thought adding a dual aperture is supposed to help with low lighting???
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It does, but most company besides Google have white balance issue.

Gcam doesnt do low light from what I see. Stock does very well in low light

Is really google camera that good compared to stock samsung camera?

Low-light photo quality sorta depends on the situation. If taking photos outside in low lighting, if you can keep your hands PERFECTLY still, the results can look better than the Pixel 2, but if we're talking consistency, I'd choose the Pixel 9 times out of 10. If taking photos inside in low lighting, especially when the subject is people or food, the quality comes out super soft. Some people like it, but it looks terrible to me. In these situations, I'd choose the Pixel 2 every single time, as it's consistent.

@jassu what app do you mean?

[REQUEST] Galaxy S20 Ultra/Note 20 Ultra Camera Port

Hi all,
I have no idea at all about this sort of thing. Assuming there's not a proprietary Samsung framework the Samsung camera app is dependent on, is it at all possible to port the Samsung Galaxy S20 Ultra/Note 20 Ultra Camera app the the Mi 10? Given the main camera module is much the same, would it not theoretically work?
Thanks,
K

Why though...?
gcam is miles and miles ahead ..

galr said:
Why though...?
gcam is miles and miles ahead ..
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I disagree. I've used GCam with multiple XML files from here but the quality was never on par with the stock camera. Only the selfie camera seemed to benefit.

Krisbo said:
I disagree. I've used GCam with multiple XML files from here but the quality was never on par with the stock camera. Only the selfie camera seemed to benefit.
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I assume you probably used old configs \ gcam versions?
Details wise, there is no comparison - gcam blows stock out of the water.
I do think that stock sometimes handle exposure \ colors better , but you can change gcam configurations to your liking.

No, I haven't used my own configs. As I said in my post I've used multiple XML files to load configs.
At 100% crop, the stock camera resolves much more fine detail than gcam.
EDIT: I used the latest versions linked in this thread.
I've since used the Burial version of the gcam app and I'm getting much better results although I'm not sure it blows the stock app out of the water. I'd still be interested to see how the Samsung camera app goes considering they share the same sensor and the Note 20 Ultra photos from the main camera are much better than the Mi 10 particularly in low light.

Question Is it normal or not ?

Hello everybody,
I just bought a used S22 ultra wich is in mint condition. But i immediatly see that picture quality was ... BAD. Especially with the main lens. I got blurry areas accros the pic, strong artifacts and noise. I took the same pic with my old S20, and the quality is better !!
I just want to ask you what you think. Is there a problem or not?
I already did a factory reset... but it does not help.
Seriously, the quality is bad, the grass at the bottom and relatively blurry on the s22 while on the s20 the quality is consistent.
As well as the whole left side of the picture.
Thanks for you feed back.

Poor test subject. Try a picket fence or brick house instead. Something the wind can't move.

ribariba said:
Hello everybody,
I just bought a used S22 ultra wich is in mint condition. But i immediatly see that picture quality was ... BAD. Especially with the main lens. I got blurry areas accros the pic, strong artifacts and noise. I took the same pic with my old S20, and the quality is better !!
I just want to ask you what you think. Is there a problem or not?
I already did a factory reset... but it does not help.
Seriously, the quality is bad, the grass at the bottom and relatively blurry on the s22 while on the s20 the quality is consistent.
As well as the whole left side of the picture.
Thanks for you feed back.
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You said that it is used. Did you buy it from somebody directly or from a store?
What camera mode were you using? If you haven't already , download and install Expert RAW from the Galaxy Store.
I'll take a few and upload so we can compare.

Here are a few shots to compare.
The first pair were taken with the camera in Photo Mode
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The second pair were taken with the camera in Pro Mode
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The third pair were taken using Expert RAW
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blackhawk said:
Poor test subject. Try a picket fence or brick house instead. Something the wind can't move.
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I didn't know that the S22 ultra was only capable of capturing still subjects. However, I obviously compared several photographs and not only this one. This is an example.

gernerttl said:
Here are a few shots to compare.
The first pair were taken with the camera in Photo Mode
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The second pair were taken with the camera in Pro Mode
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The third pair were taken using Expert RAW
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Ok. Thank you for your photographs. I can still see that yours seem more homogeneous and consistent in terms of quality than mine.
I tried with the "pro" mode as well as with "Expert Raw", there is a minimal difference.
On the other hand, I should perhaps specify that I use an S22 ultra with the EXYNOS chip and not SNAPDRAGON. What about you?
So according to you, it is not obvious that there is a problem?

ribariba said:
Ok. Thank you for your photographs. I can still see that yours seem more homogeneous and consistent in terms of quality than mine.
I tried with the "pro" mode as well as with "Expert Raw", there is a minimal difference.
On the other hand, I should perhaps specify that I use an S22 ultra with the EXYNOS chip and not SNAPDRAGON. What about you?
So according to you, it is not obvious that there is a problem?
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At first glance, not really. If I zoom in enough, then yes.
The S22 Ultra is a really good phone. Ultimately, it is your decision whether you are happy with it. Keep in mind that Samsung sends out monthly updates. It's not uncommon for it to update the camera during these updates. I received updates for the Camera and Expert RAW apps. Also, Android 13 work OneUI 5 will be released later this year or early next year. That will come with camera improvements.
I have the S22 Ultra Snap Dragon. There are some differences with the cameras.
S22 Ultra Snapdragon vs Exynos: do you really get different cameras?
The Galaxy S22 Ultra might be the best camera phone around, but... which model are you exactly talking about? The Snapdragon US version actually captures different photos than the Exynos model in the rest of the world...
www.phonearena.com
I'm not sure if it's enough to worry about. I think it's more of a software processing difference rather than a hardware difference.

ribariba said:
I didn't know that the S22 ultra was only capable of capturing still subjects. However, I obviously compared several photographs and not only this one. This is an example.
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Motion blurring from the wind...
Straight high contrast lines instead of rocks
Faces with AF lock on closest eye. Skin tone should be true; leaves don't show this.

ribariba said:
Ok. Thank you for your photographs. I can still see that yours seem more homogeneous and consistent in terms of quality than mine.
I tried with the "pro" mode as well as with "Expert Raw", there is a minimal difference.
On the other hand, I should perhaps specify that I use an S22 ultra with the EXYNOS chip and not SNAPDRAGON. What about you?
So according to you, it is not obvious that there is a problem?
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Speaking of updates. Have you gotten the latest update?
Galaxy S22 series gets camera improvements with latest software update
The Galaxy S22 series latest software update (June) brings hidden camera improvements!
www.phonearena.com
Part of it was an update for the camera and fixes some of the issues you are experiencing.

ribariba said:
I just want to ask you what you think. Is there a problem or not?
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I would say maybe.
Most of the users would not care or see what you have identified, but I do agree it does not look ok for a >$1000 camera phone.
Some variation in lens quality or (mis)alignment is normal and it depends on you if you accept it or replace it. Be aware that this phone has 5 single cameras, so if you exchange the phone, one camera might be better, but others might be worse. On the other hand, it is the main camera, you identified it and now never will be happy, so I think you should take into account to try to exchange it.
Please share some more comparisons to make it more clear how significant this issue is.
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Speaking of updates. Have you gotten the latest update?
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In his example picture the AVF1 is listed.

Thank you all for your answers and opinions.
I took several "test photos" this morning. Frankly it's disappointing.
Indeed, as indicated, I have the last update of June.
My problem is a consistency problem, some areas are blurred and others are sharp. And I think that no update will change anything, it is a hardware problem.
I place here a photograph where this is particularly noticeable. I circle the sharp areas. Seriously, the problem is obvious, right?

I had to look few times to perceive the problem. As I'm not that interested, generally, in taking photos then to me the problem/issue is negligible. However, to you and anyone else I guess, who are more invested in taking photos then to them these imperfections are a problem

ribariba said:
Thank you all for your answers and opinions.
I took several "test photos" this morning. Frankly it's disappointing.
Indeed, as indicated, I have the last update of June.
My problem is a consistency problem, some areas are blurred and others are sharp. And I think that no update will change anything, it is a hardware problem.
I place here a photograph where this is particularly noticeable. I circle the sharp areas. Seriously, the problem is obvious, right?
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The image isn't showing shooting settings.
Again... this is not the way to test lene blur. Use solid subjects that can't be move by the wind.
A lense blur chart is better.
All lens have a blur pattern that varies throughout their aperture range if any. If you got a bad copy, return it.

ribariba said:
Thank you all for your answers and opinions.
I took several "test photos" this morning. Frankly it's disappointing.
Indeed, as indicated, I have the last update of June.
My problem is a consistency problem, some areas are blurred and others are sharp. And I think that no update will change anything, it is a hardware problem.
I place here a photograph where this is particularly noticeable. I circle the sharp areas. Seriously, the problem is obvious, right?
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Like I said previously, at first glance I didn't see a problem. If I look closely, then, yes. It depends on what you are planning to do with the images. Most people will probably not see, nor care about the noise and over processing (which is what is causing a lack of sharpness).
If you intend to make prints any larger than 4x6, then yes it could be a problem.
It is not a problem of the camera hardware. Both the Exynos and SD S22 Ultras have the same camera hardware. The area that you circled is an area of high contrast and lighting differences. As the article I posted stated, the Exynos powered phones struggle with dynamic range, low light areas, and tend to over process the images. That is exactly what is happening in the images you provided.
Because Exynos chips have different architecture, the software is different. It's not a problem of the camera hardware, it is a problem of how the software processes the data to render the photo. Samsung has to tweak its Camera and Expert RAW apps to work better with the Exynos processor.
If you shoot with Expert RAW or in Pro mode, then process the RAW file (.dng) using Lightroom or Gimp (which is free), you will probably see an improvement.
Ultimately, it is up to you whether you like the results you are getting from the camera. As the saying goes, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder."

blackhawk said:
The image isn't showing shooting settings.
Again... this is not the way to test lene blur. Use solid subjects that can't be move by the wind.
A lense blur chart is better.
All lens have a blur pattern that varies throughout their aperture range if any. If you got a bad copy, return it.
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I know that engineers don't set up cameras by taking nature shots. But I don't work at Samsung, I'm not an optician, I don't have all the tools to clearly establish the problem. I'm just trying to describe it to you.
Yes I think I have a defective phone, and it's not that easy to walk into a Samsung service center and tell them: replace this phone because it's defective!
And if I take pictures of grass trees it's because it's the easiest thing to take a picture of. This is what contains the most details to help define where the sharp and blurred areas are. But this problem has nothing to do with "motion blur"!

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Like I said previously, at first glance I didn't see a problem. If I look closely, then, yes. It depends on what you are planning to do with the images. Most people will probably not see, nor care about the noise and over processing (which is what is causing a lack of sharpness).
If you intend to make prints any larger than 4x6, then yes it could be a problem.
It is not a problem of the camera hardware. Both the Exynos and SD S22 Ultras have the same camera hardware. The area that you circled is an area of high contrast and lighting differences. As the article I posted stated, the Exynos powered phones struggle with dynamic range, low light areas, and tend to over process the images. That is exactly what is happening in the images you provided.
Because Exynos chips have different architecture, the software is different. It's not a problem of the camera hardware, it is a problem of how the software processes the data to render the photo. Samsung has to tweak its Camera and Expert RAW apps to work better with the Exynos processor.
If you shoot with Expert RAW or in Pro mode, then process the RAW file (.dng) using Lightroom or Gimp (which is free), you will probably see an improvement.
Ultimately, it is up to you whether you like the results you are getting from the camera. As the saying goes, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder."
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I bought this phone as the flagship phone from Samsung. They do a large advertising campaign around the performance of the camera. I take a lot of pictures and videos with my phones, and I have never encountered such poor quality. I know that the software part is not perfect and will get better with updates.
For me it is a hardware problem because I took the same pictures by rotating the phone 180° and the sharp and blurred areas were also rotated 180°, regardless of any other change in brightness or contrast. Moreover these "areas" are also present in the DNG files outside of any post processing.

ribariba said:
I know that engineers don't set up cameras by taking nature shots. But I don't work at Samsung, I'm not an optician, I don't have all the tools to clearly establish the problem. I'm just trying to describe it to you.
Yes I think I have a defective phone, and it's not that easy to walk into a Samsung service center and tell them: replace this phone because it's defective!
And if I take pictures of grass trees it's because it's the easiest thing to take a picture of. This is what contains the most details to help define where the sharp and blurred areas are. But this problem has nothing to do with "motion blur"!
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Download and use a blur chart. You need flat target surface.
Where is the AF lockon at?!! That's important.
AF lock on dead center of the blur chart.
If you want accurate results, at least try to do it right. You need good documentation especially if sending it in for repair.
Photography is filled with learning curves, no one knows everything, but the more you know the better. Plenty of Pro Shooter that are sharing their hard earned craft skills for free on various websites.
If within it's return period, do it. Getting Samsung to repair it will be tedious... you are now experiencing some of this.

ribariba said:
I bought this phone as the flagship phone from Samsung. They do a large advertising campaign around the performance of the camera. I take a lot of pictures and videos with my phones, and I have never encountered such poor quality. I know that the software part is not perfect and will get better with updates.
For me it is a hardware problem because I took the same pictures by rotating the phone 180° and the sharp and blurred areas were also rotated 180°, regardless of any other change in brightness or contrast. Moreover these "areas" are also present in the DNG files outside of any post processing.
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Did you read the article I posted about the differences between the SD and Exynos models? Camera orientation is irrelevant.
The camera hardware is not the problem. It is the processing after image capture that is causing the issues. The problems you point out are all in areas where there is significant lighting differences.
RAW image capture and post processing will reduce the issues; it won't completely alleviate them.
At any rate, if you are that dissatisfied with your phone, then return it.

gernerttl said:
Did you read the article I posted about the differences between the SD and Exynos models? Camera orientation is irrelevant.
The camera hardware is not the problem. It is the processing after image capture that is causing the issues.
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Have you read his description:
ribariba said:
For me it is a hardware problem because I took the same pictures by rotating the phone 180° and the sharp and blurred areas were also rotated 180°...
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If the affected areas rotate, when the hardware is rotated, the effect is caused by hardware. It might be more or less visible depending on sharping algorithms, but I would not wait for software updates or hope to get better lenses in a Snapdragon variant. It is some kind of lottery, usually the more the bigger the sensors are if the rest of the hardware keeps its size.
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If within it's return period, do it. Getting Samsung to repair it will be tedious... you are now experiencing some of this.
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Do so!

I am getting this kind of pic in nightmode on ultrawide lens in some cases, don't know what is the issue but it doesn't happen in normal low light shot or shot in expert raw app for the same scenes,can anyone help