So I bought the Octa Core version too and took some pics with both phones. The i9500 seems to win although the SD600 variant is great too. Shame on Samsung for (probably) two different camera senors on each of them. I'll definitely go with the Exynos version.
There's much more detail on the Exynos version (check out the image of the balcony).
I9500:
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The sensors are the same so if there is a difference in quality is not down to that.
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It's probably a camera software differences and not sensors.
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It's probably a camera software differences and not sensors.
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That is certainly possible. I remember comparing my faulty HD2 photo quality before I returned it with my newly received one just to see if there was a difference in quality and found there was. Sometimes even identical hardware can throw up different results, especially on something as software dependant as a phone. Those photos don't conclusively prove anything.
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First of all, many thanks for this!
The dynamic range is noticeably better on the Octa-core, it still captures the texture of the yellow house under direct sunlight while the SD600 version loses it due to the light flow. The Octa-core also has a little more details as expected with zero traces of noise on the clouds. It appears that the SD600 sensors produces some noise even in daylight, so a minimal denoising and some sharpening is required. As said many times before, the differences are not major but noticeable, hope we'll see some more comparisons, thank you very much for these!
i9500: Sony Exmor RS
i9505: Sony Exmor R
anyway Im very satisfied with i9505 photos! just compared your orange house composition and the difference is minimal except better house wall texture and very little noise difference is minimal!
Comparing the two sets i can tell Exynos is slightly better.
It handles dynamic range better.
Although the differences are minimal.About 3-4% better.
I'd like to see some night shoots comparison as well.
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i9500: Sony Exmor RS
i9505: Sony Exmor R
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This hasn't been confirmed by anyone.
sure it did!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=41166366&postcount=355
http://www.esato.com/archive/t.php/t-205454,1.html
just check by yourself
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sure it did!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=41166366&postcount=355
http://www.esato.com/archive/t.php/t-205454,1.html
just check by yourself
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yes sorrowfully it has been confirmed
Pagnell said:
The sensors are the same so if there is a difference in quality is not down to that.
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It's probably a camera software differences and not sensors.
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its been confirmed by many in the camera comparison thread by @BoneXDA
9500 is Sony IMX135(Exmor RS)
9505 is Sony IMX091PQ(Exmor R)
RS sensor is newer one
In the above photos I see no differences, not even between those balcony photos.
bala_gamer said:
its been confirmed by many in the camera comparison thread by @BoneXDA
9500 is Sony IMX135(Exmor RS)
9505 is Sony IMX091PQ(Exmor R)
RS sensor is newer one
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Yep, and to be honest, if it's really true, I'm happy with the Exmor R
Why?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwN_WcBBPaA
Looks more sharper than the RS
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In the above photos I see no differences, not even between those balcony photos.
Yep, and to be honest, if it's really true, I'm happy with the Exmor R
Why?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwN_WcBBPaA
Looks more sharper than the RS
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the video is not valid if the lens used in xperias is different from the one in s4
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the video is not valid if the lens used in xperias is different from the one in s4
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Well, the sensor is more important than the lens, but the lens have its part too. However, I see no differences between the photos posted by op
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Well, the sensor is more important than the lens, but the lens have its part too. However, I see no differences between the photos posted by op
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Sensor and lens are both tremendously important. You're trying to argue against technical facts here backed up by real-world feedback. The RS sensor is simply superior.
demlasjr said:
In the above photos I see no differences, not even between those balcony photos.
Yep, and to be honest, if it's really true, I'm happy with the Exmor R
Why?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwN_WcBBPaA
Looks more sharper than the RS
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I agree that both look great, but can you honestly say that you cannot see a difference in the balcony picture crop?
The balcony and the walls have a lot more details on the i9500 in that photo.
When you zoom in the photo, you can also see a difference in the tree leaves and branches, and other small details.
It's pretty easy to spot now that we have side by side photos.
Concerning the video, I wouldn't trust Xperia photo/video quality after seeing photos from those devices, even though it is Exmor RS (the difference with the S4 is huge, I'm guessing their post processing is really bad).
And as AndreiLux said, both the sensor and lens are important.
That being said, noone is saying you shouldn't be happy with the i9505 camera, I've seen extremely good photos taken with that one, to the point that I didn't know whether is was taken by a i9505 or i9500 (in the photos thread), but you don't have to blindly contradict everything that shows the i9500 as a slightly better camera phone to try to convince yourself, just enjoy yours.
In a few months, there will probably be better ones anyway.
Hi guys! i9500 user here from the Philippines..
Do you experience not able to use your phone's cam flash bec. of the phone sayin like "can't use flash bec. of the phone being warm." We know sometime our phones gets warm due to running alot of heavy app or taking videos on your phone but it shouldn't affect using your flash..
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Hi guys! i9500 user here from the Philippines..
Do you experience not able to use your phone's cam flash bec. of the phone sayin like "can't use flash bec. of the phone being warm." We know sometime our phones gets warm due to running alot of heavy app or taking videos on your phone but it shouldn't affect using your flash..
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i saw that it one of the xml files.. did you note the temperature when you got the message?
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i saw that it one of the xml files.. did you note the temperature when you got the message?
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Not yet.. what's the best app to monitor the phones temp? Have you experienced the same flash issue? I mean its works.. its just the on a certain temp the phone will not use flash..
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Not yet.. what's the best app to monitor the phones temp? Have you experienced the same flash issue? I mean its works.. its just the on a certain temp the phone will not use flash..
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use cooltool or system tuner to monitor temps. no i havent experienced this(yet)
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i just got htc one xl (international versionfor at&t) and everything is just superb. but wait here is a problem with my phone's camera the image quality is not awesome in low lights its average with some noise at the ends of picture now where is the BSI sensor result??and the major issue is that my phone looses its focus while recording video and when i press centre of phone's screen then it appears ok what the hell is this? is it a software problem or my phone is buggy
There's an international One X forum, go there. Some others may be having the same problem. Honestly, it just sounds like you're expecting too much from the camera in terms of low light. Try messing with exposure? The phone comes over exposed though already.
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There's an international One X forum, go there. Some others may be having the same problem. Honestly, it just sounds like you're expecting too much from the camera in terms of low light. Try messing with exposure? The phone comes over exposed though already.
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yes i am expecting too much because htc and gsmarena makes me to expect that too much impressive result by talking about f/2.0 and BSI sensor performance. i also used n8 and that was mind blowing result and camera phone. anyhow what about problem in focus while recording? any one have any idea?
It must be a faulty handset. I've taken shots in almost absolute darkness and still been blown away by the camera's low level light performance. Like someone mentioned it's already oversaturated out the box.
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It must be a faulty handset. I've taken shots in almost absolute darkness and still been blown away by the camera's low level light performance. Like someone mentioned it's already oversaturated out the box.
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And oversaturation is good for low light pictures right? Sorry, my camera knowledge is slim to none at best.
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The only thing can really help the low light photography is a large sensor. You need a sensor the size of APS-C or full frame 35mm to achive that. The pee sized sensor in all phones can never get what you want no matter what technological wonders they have.
Unfortunately, those larger sensor (and the larger lens) is impossible to embed into a phone.
I also have a problem with the camera where the pics are mostly too yellow. Is this a common issue and is there a fix? I can't fine RGB adjustment in the stock camera app. Is there a good 3rd party camera app that has this feature?
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I also have a problem with the camera where the pics are mostly too yellow. Is this a common issue and is there a fix?
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It happens when you shoot indoors with incandescent lamps as lighting. You need to manually change the white blance to Incadescent mode in camera settings.
It's a common issue for majority of the cameras out there.
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yes i am expecting too much because htc and gsmarena makes me to expect that too much impressive result by talking about f/2.0 and BSI sensor performance. i also used n8 and that was mind blowing result and camera phone. anyhow what about problem in focus while recording? any one have any idea?
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The continuous autofocusing does seem to be quite aggressive, resulting in the phone always searching for something to focus on. This may be what you're experiencing. Try turning off the Face Detection option in the cameras settings. Hopefully that helps!
The low-light performance of this camera is not mind-blowing. The overall image quality and abilities of the camera is, to me, quite spectacular. But take my word, and the word of reviews around the internet, with a grain of salt, as we are all speaking relatively. That is, understand that this is a pretty awesome camera for a camera phone. It's not an 808, n8, n9, nor is it your average point and shoot camera, which will have a large sensor and better image processing. But the HOX is capable of taking photos that compare to those types of devices.
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The continuous autofocusing does seem to be quite aggressive, resulting in the phone always searching for something to focus on. This may be what you're experiencing. Try turning off the Face Detection option in the cameras settings. Hopefully that helps!
The low-light performance of this camera is not mind-blowing. The overall image quality and abilities of the camera is, to me, quite spectacular. But take my word, and the word of reviews around the internet, with a grain of salt, as we are all speaking relatively. That is, understand that this is a pretty awesome camera for a camera phone. It's not an 808, n8, n9, nor is it your average point and shoot camera, which will have a large sensor and better image processing. But the HOX is capable of taking photos that compare to those types of devices.
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ok fine but plz tell that whether galaxy s3 has better camera compared to one xl or one x?
The verge has a hands on review go read it
Make sure you're using Low light mode in the settings too and not just Auto.
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The verge has a hands on review go read it
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where?plz give me link to that site?
http://www.theverge.com/2012/5/25/3042640/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-review
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ok fine but plz tell that whether galaxy s3 has better camera compared to one xl or one x?
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I can't tell you one way or the other. I have not used the S3 or really looked deeply into it's camera. I'm sure this would be something you'd want to look around the web for, to see if any sites have gotten a hold of an S3 to test it out.
Just read that the SGIII has the same camera as the 4S. Take it as you will, but I like that camera. However its the post processing in the software that will produce the end result.
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Sorry for bringing up something that might already have been covered, but there's one thing that I haven't understood completely.
There's quite a lot of talk about the camera not really performing that well, but looking into the matter I also read that this might be more software related than a hardware problem. (Another app might do the trick?)
The reason for asking is that I am thinking about maybe replacing my Samsung Galaxy S3 with the 16GB version of the Moto G, but I'm a bit hesitant because of the camera - especially since the one in the S3 is quite good.
I don't really care that much for MP's - they never really tell the full story - but if the quality between my current S3 and the Moto G differs to much...
Any input?
Thanks in advance,
/gosa
It'll be more the sensor that software...
Anothe camera app wouldnt make a massive difference to quality of the photo tbh.
Its just one of the tradeoffs for a cheaper phone unfortunately.
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Anothe camera app wouldnt make a massive difference to quality of the photo tbh.
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The sensor is not that bad.
I compared MotoG to S3 here (left MotoG, middle RARZi, right S3):
http://www.android-hilfe.de/motorol...n-zur-kamera-bildqualitaet-2.html#post6758301
and here is a comparison from stock camera to Snap Camera from Playstore, watch the details!
http://www.android-hilfe.de/motorol...n-zur-kamera-bildqualitaet-6.html#post6853774
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The sensor is not that bad.
I compared MotoG to S3 here (left MotoG, middle RARZi, right S3):
http://www.android-hilfe.de/motorol...n-zur-kamera-bildqualitaet-2.html#post6758301
and here is a comparison from stock camera to Snap Camera from Playstore, watch the details!
http://www.android-hilfe.de/motorol...n-zur-kamera-bildqualitaet-6.html#post6853774
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Like I said a different app wouldnt make a huge difference.
And to me it doesnt have much of an effect from your photos imo.
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The sensor is not that bad.
I compared MotoG to S3 here (left MotoG, middle RARZi, right S3):
http://www.android-hilfe.de/motorol...n-zur-kamera-bildqualitaet-2.html#post6758301
and here is a comparison from stock camera to Snap Camera from Playstore, watch the details!
http://www.android-hilfe.de/motorol...n-zur-kamera-bildqualitaet-6.html#post6853774
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I had an LG P920 and have used the Snap Camera with a significant improvement in the quality of the photos. In Moto G use the default camera app just for movies slow. For photos I use Snap Camera and I am pleased with the results.
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Like I said a different app wouldnt make a huge difference.
And to me it doesnt have much of an effect from your photos imo.
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The photos he displayed to show the difference when using stock and snapchat show a vast improvement in my opinion.
Look at the post-it note text for the biggest difference.
Obviously software can only go so far, but the stock camera app I feel is clearly doing something wrong with how it sharpens/smooths the image. I'm guessing their sharpening algorithm is assuming a much bigger resolution and using too large of a kernel size for us. So it ends up looking blurry because the blurring becomes exaggerated. Regardless, using a different camera app will help out with these things. That is, assuming they aren't doing these corrections somewhere in the kernel before it even reaches user-land.
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[..] That is, assuming they aren't doing these corrections somewhere in the kernel before it even reaches user-land.
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100% not.
I decompiled the stock camera app and switched off the Noise Reduction just to see how the sensor sees the image, look here:
http://www.android-hilfe.de/motorol...n-zur-kamera-bildqualitaet-5.html#post6803183
The stock app softens the image massively and then set a bad compression level. Look at the pattern at the Gauloise package from my other post and see how the stock app filters out all small lines.
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100% not.
I decompiled the stock camera app and switched off the Noise Reduction just to see how the sensor sees the image, look here:
http://www.android-hilfe.de/motorol...n-zur-kamera-bildqualitaet-5.html#post6803183
The stock app softens the image massively and then set a bad compression level. Look at the pattern at the Gauloise package from my other post and see how the stock app filters out all small lines.
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So its the app compressing them?
Im not too knowledgable on this stuff.
Could you not 'decompile' the stock and change the compression softening settings or something? If its the app
I've seen this about compression removal for Droid Maxx worth a lookl?
http://photo.stackexchange.com/questions/24758/motorola-razr-maxx-compression-removal
Also some ROMs have the following line in build.prop:
ro.media.dec.jpeg.memcap=2000000
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Might be worth adding and changing the value to see if there is any benefit.
Guys,
Thank you all for your inputs, it's made for some interesting reading. Especially those example pics that shaftenberg posted gave quite a bit of info.
Yesterday I ordered the 8GB version for my wife to replace my old water damaged Desire that - after over a year of running "post-swim" without any kind of problems - is dying on her... I'm confident that the change Desire - Moto G will make a huge difference in image quality for her.
I think now the plan is to compare her Moto G with my S3 for some time and then - if I feel ok with the image quality - go for the 16 GB version.
Some people might think it's a bit strange to swap out the S3 for a Moto G, but the benefits of getting something more updated with regards to OS (and more open if you compare with Samsung and Exynos) and such... the only thing that worries me is image quality.
/gosa
I find that VSCO Cam is also better than stock camera, and probably also even better than Camera Zoom FX.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.vsco.cam
The one thing I've found a huge benefit of the Moto g over the n4 and s3 is that its made for one hand. I often find with phones now days I end up when sitting down using them I use my thumb and for finger to support the phone and only half wrap my hand round it to get full use of the screen. There are no such issues with this phone.
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This phone's camera is clearly not tuned well. The noise reduction is wayyyyy too high and the white balance is off.
The Moto X had similar issues and it was mostly fixed with an update. The same will probably happen with this phone, likely bundled with the Kitkat update.
My pictures are coming out flat, with very poor contrast and colour rendition. I've owned mainly Samsungs before, and their cameras, even lower in MP, have given excellent results. I was expecting something lot better with a 20MP camera, but the quality I'm getting is comparable to maybe a 5MP camera. I use the Superior Auto mode, with full 20MP resolution.
Anyone else disappointed with the camera as well?
I'm not disappointed with it but seems some people are. Have you looked in the General section? There's a thread for voicing your opinion on the cam: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2887635
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My pictures are coming out flat, with very poor contrast and colour rendition. I've owned mainly Samsungs before, and their cameras, even lower in MP, have given excellent results. I was expecting something lot better with a 20MP camera, but the quality I'm getting is comparable to maybe a 5MP camera. I use the Superior Auto mode, with full 20MP resolution.
Anyone else disappointed with the camera as well?
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I just talked about that few days ago...
I was comparing Note4 and Z3 and Note 4 kicked Z3s ass...
Z3 can take great photos outside when there's a lot of light but in lower light conditions photos are terrible...
You can always switch to manual shooting mode and set few things but you won't get nothing special...
That's the only thing I would like to see improved in next gen Xperia...
I'm absolutely satisfied with everything else..
OK, that and maybe X-pen, Sammy has S-pen so why shouldn't we have X-pen
It's amazing addon for many things (I'm using S-Pen to sign documents in PDF, without needing to print them out) and emailing them after signing...
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I just talked about that few days ago...
I was comparing Note4 and Z3 and Note 4 kicked Z3s ass...
Z3 can take great photos outside when there's a lot of light but in lower light conditions photos are terrible...
You can always switch to manual shooting mode and set few things but you won't get nothing special...
That's the only thing I would like to see improved in next gen Xperia...
I'm absolutely satisfied with everything else..
OK, that and maybe X-pen, Sammy has S-pen so why shouldn't we have X-pen
It's amazing addon for many things (I'm using S-Pen to sign documents in PDF, without needing to print them out) and emailing them after signing...
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Note 4 kicked Z3s ass ?
Whay don' t you buy one!
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Note 4 kicked Z3s ass ?
Whay don' t you buy one!
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Hahah...grow up buddy..
I have both device and I'm in Xperia threads for a years... So please - save your kind words for someone else...
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funky0308 said:
Hahah...grow up buddy..
I have both device and I'm in Xperia threads for a years... So please - save your kind words for someone else...
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The kind words are for you.
Enjoy your KNOX.
funky0308 thanks for your feedback. I feel exactly the same.. Z3 is a great device, EXCEPT for the camera. I've used Note, Note2, 3 AND 4, but never found much use for the Spen other than scribbling and drawing etc. in my free time. So I don't miss it at all. A 5.5" screen, however, would help tremendously.
This guy is my brother Is there a problem at these photos? I didn't like the performance of the camera.
click for original size: http://i.hizliresim.com/5dO6gj.jpg
Please do not troll
You should ask in camera thread. You have to check out whether you got Sony sensor or Samsung sensor, Sony one got better details at low light but Samsung may offer better color. Some roms got better camera focus while some builds got worse focus during low light, so it also depends on which rom you are running.
Nowt wrong with those photo's. You won't notice a difference which sensor either except the Samsung sensor will have better detail in shadows, better colour reproduction as well.
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Please do not troll
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How did you come up with this idea? Trolling?
TheEndHK said:
You should ask in camera thread. You have to check out whether you got Sony sensor or Samsung sensor, Sony one got better details at low light but Samsung may offer better color. Some roms got better camera focus while some builds got worse focus during low light, so it also depends on which rom you are running.
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Stock rom.
Jonathan-H said:
Nowt wrong with those photo's. You won't notice a difference which sensor either except the Samsung sensor will have better detail in shadows, better colour reproduction as well.
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SM-G920FQ I don't which sensor it includes?
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Stock rom.
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Some "stock" roms got better camera focus while some other "stock" builds got worse focus, in my experiences.
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Nowt wrong with those photo's. You won't notice a difference which sensor either except the Samsung sensor will have better detail in shadows, better colour reproduction as well.
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You mean nothing is wrong with those photos?
photos look fine...
if you don't like the white balance on the first one, it's correctable with post processing...
At least tell us what you don't like or what you think is wrong... But they look fine to me. Also hard to say when not knowing the exact lighting conditions.
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At least tell us what you don't like or what you think is wrong... But they look fine to me. Also hard to say when not knowing the exact lighting conditions.
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I don't know the exact word.
There is a 'sandy' area at the first photo for example. The headboard of the bed?
By the way, thank you for all the replies! Thank you for your help!
If you're saying 'nothing's wrong' then may be you are right because you are the experts
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http://www.theverge.com/2015/8/24/9198069/moto-x-play-camera-preview
Some of the crops look pretty good. I'd like to see some more indoor shots as well.
Note: the review says Pure but I believe they are the same camera but different internals.
emailrob said:
http://www.theverge.com/2015/8/24/9198069/moto-x-play-camera-preview
Some of the crops look pretty good. I'd like to see some more indoor shots as well.
Note: the review says Pure but I believe they are the same camera but different internals.
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Look ok i mean who zooms 100 percent ....the normal shots look ok to me.... still think my opo with the color os cam app looks better thought idk...
That article is about the Play and not the Style.
They both have the same Sony IMX230 sensor though
Some suggest the Style might perform better thanks to the better processing power but tbh I have no idea if that matters.
Sent from S3 via Tapatalk App.
Although they both have the same sensor doesn't mean they're going to perform the same. I believe the Style will have slightly better post processing over the Play. We'll shall see in a couple weeks
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I trust this site like Display Mate. They nailed the Note 4 review and say the Moto X Style is better than the Note 4 camera. Surprised the media is not linking to this much. Especially Motorola not pushing it.
http://www.dpreview.com/articles/0796394999/dxomark-mobile-report-motorola-moto-x-style