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Someone posted this about the Z2 and why you need to root it in order to get the best camera resolution:
Basically it gives you the option to do things you normally couldn't. Install custom software. Delete apps that normally can't be deleted. Modifications to things like camera (eg the phone currently only uses 8mp in superior auto, but the mod allows it to use 20mp in superior) all kinds of tweaks and stuff that without root access, you wouldn't be able to install.
So does anyone know if the Z3 will have this issue resolved or will you still need to root it in order to get 20MP in Superior Auto Mode? I think it's so stupid that you have to root it in order to get that. It should be a choice, not forced. Hopefully it won't need to be.
Any info would be appreciated.
Thank You,
RockStar2005
RockStar2005 said:
Someone posted this about the Z2 and why you need to root it in order to get the best camera resolution:
Basically it gives you the option to do things you normally couldn't. Install custom software. Delete apps that normally can't be deleted. Modifications to things like camera (eg the phone currently only uses 8mp in superior auto, but the mod allows it to use 20mp in superior) all kinds of tweaks and stuff that without root access, you wouldn't be able to install.
So does anyone know if the Z3 will have this issue resolved or will you still need to root it in order to get 20MP in Superior Auto Mode? I think it's so stupid that you have to root it in order to get that. It should be a choice, not forced. Hopefully it won't need to be.
Any info would be appreciated.
Thank You,
RockStar2005
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Yes. because 20/21MP is standard on 4:3 aspect ratio.
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Yes. because 20/21MP is standard on 4:3 aspect ratio.
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Hey Electrash,
Sorry, did you mean yes it's been resolved on the Z3 or yes the Z3 will still need to be rooted in order to get 20/21MPs in Superior Auto Mode?
Thanks,
RockStar2005
Yes, you will need root to use 20.7 in SA.
But why do you need it, you need to have screen like cinema paper to watch 20.7 mp in native size.
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Yes, you will need root to use 20.7 in SA.
But why do you need it, you need to have screen like cinema paper to watch 20.7 mp in native size.
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Ugghh ok. lol Thanks Electrash!
I just want the best. lol
Well when I transfer those pics to my pc and view them, I would think the difference would be noticeable? I mean 8 vs 20.7 sounds like a huge difference to me, even if both are still Sony-based. It's not quite cinema size, but my PC screen (21") is still much bigger than any phone screen I'll ever have.
What u guys think?
RockStar2005
http://web.forret.com/tools/megapixel.asp?width=5400&height=3600
Check this site 75inch*50inch is size of native picture at 19.4MP.
Also I doubt that you have 5600*3600 screen resolution, that means half of this pixels won't even be shown, unless you zoom in a lot.
But again, who takes picture to zoom like telescope.
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http://web.forret.com/tools/megapixel.asp?width=5400&height=3600
Check this site 75inch*50inch is size of native picture at 19.4MP.
Also I doubt that you have 5600*3600 screen resolution, that means half of this pixels won't even be shown, unless you zoom in a lot.
But again, who takes picture to zoom like telescope.
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Ok took a look at it. Thank you.
Well that's the thing....... I wouldn't say I zoom in a lot, but sometimes I do. It's just nice to know that when I do, the sharpness won't fade away.
So you think the quality of Superior Auto Mode at 8MPs will still be really nice? I just don't get why they can't let ppl choose for themselves? I hate being forced to choose stuff. That's one of the main reasons why I stick with Android over like Apple is b/c of the choice, the freedom. If I got it I may root it, or not. Who knows.
RockStar2005
8MP is more then enough for everything that we "little" people want to do with pictures. Trust me, I was against that, but since I research a lot, I found out that I don't need more then 8MP.
In my situation, I have 15.6inch HD screen. That means even 2MP are enough to be shown in native size, everything beyond that is for sharpness.
Why they don't let you choose, well I don't know, but I heard that SA downscale 20mp in 8MP for better image. But don't use this as true because I didn't search for this one.
Take a research if that is true, and then try to research how downscale makes photo.
(lumia 1020 Downscale her 41mp to around 15 as I remember)
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8MP is more then enough for everything that we "little" people want to do with pictures. Trust me, I was against that, but since I research a lot, I found out that I don't need more then 8MP.
In my situation, I have 15.6inch HD screen. That means even 2MP are enough to be shown in native size, everything beyond that is for sharpness.
Why they don't let you choose, well I don't know, but I heard that SA downscale 20mp in 8MP for better image. But don't use this as true because I didn't search for this one.
Take a research if that is true, and then try to research how downscale makes photo.
(lumia 1020 Downscale her 41mp to around 15 as I remember)
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lol I dunno....... I have a Sony camera, 16.2 megapixels.......... and it's a fantastic camera! Carl Zeiss lens and everything! So I am picky about that stuff.
How does downscaling a 20MP pic to 8MPs make it better?
I actually tested the Nokia Lumia 1020 this past week for a phone survey/focus group I'm doing. It wasn't a bad phone really, but 41MP camera? It's a joke man. The pics came out like nothing special at all. Obviously when it comes to cameras, there's a lot more than just MPs at play (focus, light sensitivity, flash, etc). But Sony knows that and incorporates a great deal of that knowledge into their cameras and phone cameras too. I'm not surprised you said 41 to 15MPs for the Lumia, because I swear, the pics I took on the 1020 LOOKED like they were not even 15MPs. I don't get why they advertise 40MPs if it gets downscaled? At least with the Z3 you can get 20.7MPs if you use normal mode. I just don't know man. We'll see what happens.
RockStar2005
RockStar2005 said:
lol I dunno....... I have a Sony camera, 16.2 megapixels.......... and it's a fantastic camera! Carl Zeiss lens and everything! So I am picky about that stuff.
How does downscaling a 20MP pic to 8MPs make it better?
I actually tested the Nokia Lumia 1020 this past week for a phone survey/focus group I'm doing. It wasn't a bad phone really, but 41MP camera? It's a joke man. The pics came out like nothing special at all. Obviously when it comes to cameras, there's a lot more than just MPs at play (focus, light sensitivity, flash, etc). But Sony knows that and incorporates a great deal of that knowledge into their cameras and phone cameras too. I'm not surprised you said 41 to 15MPs for the Lumia, because I swear, the pics I took on the 1020 LOOKED like they were not even 15MPs. I don't get why they advertise 40MPs if it gets downscaled? At least with the Z3 you can get 20.7MPs if you use normal mode. I just don't know man. We'll see what happens.
RockStar2005
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Even worst, 1020 take pictures in 5MP in their "Superior Auto"
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Even worst, 1020 take pictures in 5MP in their "Superior Auto"
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OMG really? That's awful!! lol
Let me know about your answer too: How does downscaling a 20MP pic to 8MPs make it better?
Thanks,
RockStar2005
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Even worst, 1020 take pictures in 5MP in their "Superior Auto"
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Electrash.........I think I got my answer:
Saw this review on the Z3. Some interesting things on the camera on page 3. Sample pics at bottom look pretty sharp to me, even when zoomed in: http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Sony-Xperia-Z3-Review_id3795/page/3
The Sony Xperia Z3's camera user interface is mostly easy to use, especially when you're sticking with Sony's Superior Auto mode, which attempts to automatically pick the best settings for you, depending on the scene you're trying to photograph, and tends to be pretty accurate most of the time. By default, the Sony Xperia Z3's Superior Auto mode shoots at 8 MP. It does use the full resolution of the 20 MP sensor, but scales the pictures down - this way, the user ends up with high-quality 8 MP photos of 'easy-to-share' size that don't exhibit less visible artifacts when viewed in actual size.
We were, frankly, surprised to see how natural the color representation of images taken with the Sony Xperia Z3 is. Sony usually boosts the color saturation and contrast a bit (or a lot), resulting in flashy hues, which are not representing the scene in front of the lens in a completely credible manner. With the Z3, however, Sony tweaked takes a what-you-see-is-what-you-get approach, producing natural colors. The automatic white balance measurements are valid with most every shot, leaving no weird overcasts in the scene. Last, but not least, the phone is able to grab a fine amount of detail..
Feel free to read the whole 4 page review if you like: http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Sony-Xperia-Z3-Review_id3795
RockStar2005
RockStar2005 said:
Electrash.........I think I got my answer:
Saw this review on the Z3. Some interesting things on the camera on page 3. Sample pics at bottom look pretty sharp to me, even when zoomed in: http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Sony-Xperia-Z3-Review_id3795/page/3
The Sony Xperia Z3's camera user interface is mostly easy to use, especially when you're sticking with Sony's Superior Auto mode, which attempts to automatically pick the best settings for you, depending on the scene you're trying to photograph, and tends to be pretty accurate most of the time. By default, the Sony Xperia Z3's Superior Auto mode shoots at 8 MP. It does use the full resolution of the 20 MP sensor, but scales the pictures down - this way, the user ends up with high-quality 8 MP photos of 'easy-to-share' size that don't exhibit less visible artifacts when viewed in actual size.
We were, frankly, surprised to see how natural the color representation of images taken with the Sony Xperia Z3 is. Sony usually boosts the color saturation and contrast a bit (or a lot), resulting in flashy hues, which are not representing the scene in front of the lens in a completely credible manner. With the Z3, however, Sony tweaked takes a what-you-see-is-what-you-get approach, producing natural colors. The automatic white balance measurements are valid with most every shot, leaving no weird overcasts in the scene. Last, but not least, the phone is able to grab a fine amount of detail..
Feel free to read the whole 4 page review if you like: http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Sony-Xperia-Z3-Review_id3795
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Thanks for sharing. I will take a look of course because I am interested in this stuff.
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Sorry for double post.
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I zoom in and crop on most pics and wife's S5 is better than my z2 as when I try and zoom and crop my pics are lacking in detail so I think in some cases more mp are better. Depends on what you want. 8mp is not always enough for certain situations.
Hi. I would like to thank you all for this interesting topic. I learned a lot about how the Z3 camera works and what's the point of 8MP/20MP
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Hi. I would like to thank you all for this interesting topic. I learned a lot about how the Z3 camera works and what's the point of 8MP/20MP
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No problem bel!
RockStar2005
Is anyone experiencing this, I don't see many threads?
Tonight I did a camera comparison with a friends IPhone 6 and the IPhone 6 was far superior in every sense. Images from the Z3 generally seem grainy and lack detail and sharpness.
I see a few people have mentioned that the camera is better of you manually set the options. This isn't what a smartphone is for when you need to snap a quick shot, by the time you've done all that you've missed the moment.
I swapped my LG G3 (which also took better shots) for this and I'm really underwhelmed by the camera on the Z3, which ironically is its main selling point.
Can anyone suggest some third party camera apps which would perform better?
Also do you think Sony will fix this, i owned the original Z and can recall having some camera issues. I didn't think they would still be present 4 years on.
The Z3 camera was hyped up so much, I really can't see why. Great on paper, not so good in the real world.
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rm83855 said:
Is anyone experiencing this, I don't see many threads?
Tonight I did a camera comparison with a friends IPhone 6 and the IPhone 6 was far superior in every sense. Images from the Z3 generally seem grainy and lack detail and sharpness.
I see a few people have mentioned that the camera is better of you manually set the options. This isn't what a smartphone is for when you need to snap a quick shot, by the time you've done all that you've missed the moment.
I swapped my LG G3 (which also took better shots) for this and I'm really underwhelmed by the camera on the Z3, which ironically is its main selling point.
Can anyone suggest some third party camera apps which would perform better?
Also do you think Sony will fix this, i owned the original Z and can recall having some camera issues. I didn't think they would still be present 4 years on.
The Z3 camera was hyped up so much, I really can't see why. Great on paper, not so good in the real world.
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superior auto mode is basically a 8 mp with hdr and flash with some adjustments better go with the manual so you can choose a higher mega pixel.
nolihowell said:
superior auto mode is basically a 8 mp with hdr and flash with some adjustments better go with the manual so you can choose a higher mega pixel.
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I installed Pro Capture and it seems a lot better. Sony is doing half a job. You cannot supply excellent hardware and not take advantage of it with the software. It seems most people are impressed by the specs of the camera more than its ability to actually take a picture! I cannot believe how much hype surrounding this camera there was.
Have you tried the xposed module 'superiorauto 20mp'? which forces the SA mode to shoot at 20megapixels?
I will like to know what is good about the z3 what is bad and is it worth geting it
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I will like to know what is good about the z3 what is bad and is it worth geting it
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There are threads about like that already here, i think you'll find them by search function.
Google.com will answer those questions.
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I will like to know what is good about the z3 what is bad and is it worth geting it
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=60931189&postcount=13
All but that is more than good...
change to z3
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google is no help I'm asking cause I'm thinking of changing from note 4 to xperia z3
I think if you have the chance to use order device running Lollipop, you will see Z3 is the most stable.
This depends on what you need..
If you want a bigger screen with S-Pen and & fast charging and better selfie camera then stay on Note 4
For me I didn't buy Note 4... I bought Z3.. I care about the frontal loud speakers and water resistance
And yes note 4 screen is qHD but for me I prefer the amazing brightness level and the white color on the IPS screen of the Z3.. Just open the Facebook app and youtube on the both of them and you will understand me well
The camera On Z3 is better in low light without flash for me
Finally you need to focus on what you need to decide the best for you
Hani88 said:
This depends on what you need..
If you want a bigger screen with S-Pen and & fast charging and better selfie camera then stay on Note 4
For me I didn't buy Note 4... I bought Z3.. I care about the frontal loud speakers and water resistance
And yes note 4 screen is qHD but for me I prefer the amazing brightness level and the white color on the IPS screen of the Z3.. Just open the Facebook app and youtube on the both of them and you will understand me well
The camera On Z3 is better in low light without flash for me
Finally you need to focus on what you need to decide the best for you
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what i look for is battery life camera and design
Good:
Premium build quality - metal frame, glass front and back
Stereo Speaker - quite loud
Decent camera - low light image are good (Prefer using manual mode instead of auto and night scene for low light image for lesser noise)
Great User Interface - better looking app in the software side. eg, music, movie, album and etc
Water resistant - with some limitation, condensation may happen. (eg, putting your device into slightly cold water when the device is hot)
Noise cancellation headphone - If you like music and afford to buy it.
Great battery life - after updated to lollipop, the battery life not as good as kitkat but still manage to get 1.5day of light usage (without stamina mode)
Bad:
Rear camera - Noise are easily visible without appropriate setting, manual setting are not flexible (eg, customizing the exposure to different value, at the same time trying to change ISO value will make the exposure back to default setting, not more that once customization can be apply simultaneously in a shot)
Front camera - have to make sure that you don't like to take selfie everyday but occasionally should be ok
Bad after sale service - experience horrible service center in my country, may vary on other country only if something bad happen to your phone
This is just my experience of using z3 in 3 month, hope will helps. Value for money is the only reason for you to buy the device right now, since z3+/z4 will be announced soon, it is better to wait for it if you don't mind paying more. Will not getting any huge different in term of speed when you switching note 4 to z3.
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The battery life and the camera are amazing in Z3
The design is cool for me and the devices is thin and light
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Battery Life: Xperia Z3 is very good in this aspect, if not one of the best smartphones in this aspect.
Camera: Well, I´m going to to be honest, the camera just sucks, yes, they said 20.7 Megapixels to catch you but actually the pics that this camera takes are so blurry and without many details, one of the worst smartphone cameras that I ever tried before. The front camera is even more worse than rear one,.
Desing: The Desgin of Sony Xperia Z3 is one of the best and more elegant that I ever see.
I like this phone (Z3) for his battery, desing and smoth UI, but the camera is the main reason why I´m going to move to Galaxy S6.
Camera is great, camera software is pretty lousy.
Is $300 for a z3 a decent price at the moment?
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Is $300 for a z3 a decent price at the moment?
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New? Well, even refurbished that is a great deal. Currently selling for about $500 brand new I believe.
After purchasing the Mi4c and waiting for it for three weeks, I keenly unboxed it and started tweaking the living hell out of it. Among others I installed several Google apps, the google account manager (switch off sync in China as it will draaaain your battery), and MIUI 5.10.16 dev. So far so good.
However, when I tried the camera, the online shots of which were very promising, I was so disappointed I ordered the Nexus 5X straight away. In any circumstance that isn't sunny, the rear-facing camera will perform horribly. What I mean is that, unless you stabilize the phone securely with two hands, any shot in a fluorescent light or otherwise slightly dim environment will result in heavy blur. As if you were shaking the phone while you took the shot. Comparing with the Nexus 5 (2013), where you could take a shot from your wrist while riding a bicycle and still have an acceptable result.
Can anyone else confirm? Do I have the worse of two sensors, is it just the tiny objective, or is it software-related? Or is it just what I should learn to accept from a 1500 RMB phone?
Hello mate,
this is what you should learn from a 1500 RMB phone, camera sux as soon as conditions are not optimum. Tried a lot of apps, but the results is still the same. Some apps will focus better though (lenovo super camera v5 for instance).
Nevertheless, a part from the camera, the phone is way better with CM12.1 than the nexus 5X which handle apps horribly again... Very slow to open and reload apps. Which is kind of a big deal.
upload some pics if possible..
let's see it...
Maybe the camera app just sucks hard? You should try others to compare...
These are all shot from the wrist with minimal effort at stabilizing, the way I used to snap pictures with my Nexus 5
Try to take a few indoor shots with a steady hand. It could be that the software uses a quite long shutter time, which results in a blurry shot if the hand isn't steady.
The second step would be: manually set the shutter time according to your preference.
Sure, steadying the phone entirely will work. But that's not really a solution, as you often take a quick snap, the device is light and therefore in almost all situations your hand will be unsteady. It felt like the nexus5 was able to use shorter shutter times in low-light conditions and took steady pictures almost all of the time.
potentially a software problem; after flashing CM Rom the camera improved significantly (also switched from N5 to 4C)
agreed, it got significantly better with the CM rom. Still fairly noisy and a little blurry though. Looks like the camera app (I use Google Camera 4.0) actually takes its time to focus rather than attempting to deliver the quickest shot possible.
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agreed, it got significantly better with the CM rom. Still fairly noisy and a little blurry though. Looks like the camera app (I use Google Camera 4.0) actually takes its time to focus rather than attempting to deliver the quickest shot possible.
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Can you check which sensor you have please
http://forum.xda-developers.com/mi-4c/general/camera-sensor-sony-samsung-t3213510/page4
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Can you check which sensor you have please
http://forum.xda-developers.com/mi-4c/general/camera-sensor-sony-samsung-t3213510/page4
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He already has, yesterday
Maybe we can have some more samples from another camera app ? We know you have the Sony sensor now, it could be interesting to see if someone has a Samsung one and how is it different in picture quality.
Here are some, as your see low light ones aren't very good and blurred. But even the sunlight ones are a little grainy and not perfectly crisp. Sony sensor.
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Here are some, as your see low light ones aren't very good and blurred. But even the sunlight ones are a little grainy and not perfectly crisp. Sony sensor.
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Ok thanks ! And this is with the MIUI app ?
No the last batch was with CM
I created a post on official eu.xiaomi.com about this bug, if you can, please, confim in "bug" section of xiaomi mi4c
link?
http://en.miui.com/thread-180040-1-1.html
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So, i'm really very confused now... someone says it is very great (e.g. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=63730763&postcount=44) and you say it is bad and open a bug!
I would prefer great camera and battery over LTE band 20, but here i don't understand yet if mi4c have or not great camera... Can you please help me understand? Thanks
Well... Depends by user.. 50% say camera is awesome 50% not - You can see something like this on many phones
https://www.dxomark.com/sony-xperia-xz-premium-first-sony-tested-with-our-new-protocols/
As expected, Sony's premium flagship gets an unimpressive score of 83 from DXoMark's revamped benchmarking (now including zoom, bokeh effect, artifacts, among other testing).
While i don't agree with the score per category (especially on having a low video stabilization score; seriously, Sony's 5-axis is arguably the best in video stabilization right now) but DXoMark does raise some good and valid points on what's wrong with Xperia phones. Hope Sony camera devs read the review as well so they know what to improve on (i.e. software algorithm on superior auto, noise and texture, lowlight performance, zoom in and bokeh effect).
Having said that, still one satisfied Xperia user here. The cons don't affect me that much; unless you're a person who's really nitpicking on every small detail, the Sony Xperia XZ Premium does a good job of being a solid performer in both photo and video capture.
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https://www.dxomark.com/sony-xperia-xz-premium-first-sony-tested-with-our-new-protocols/
As expected, Sony's premium flagship gets an unimpressive score of 83 from DXoMark's revamped benchmarking (now including zoom, bokeh effect, artifacts, among other testing).
While i don't agree with the score per category (especially on having a low video stabilization score; seriously, Sony's 5-axis is arguably the best in video stabilization right now) but DXoMark does raise some good and valid points on what's wrong with Xperia phones. Hope Sony camera devs read the review as well so they know what to improve on (i.e. software algorithm on superior auto, noise and texture, lowlight performance, zoom in and bokeh effect).
Having said that, still one satisfied Xperia user here. The cons don't affect me that much; unless you're a person who's really nitpicking on every small detail, the Sony Xperia XZ Premium does a good job of being a solid performer in both photo and video capture.
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Sony no paid dxomark= dxmark trolling Sony.
Apple paid Dxomark= dxomark 96 points
Glad I don't use zoom on my XZP... Or I never even used it in my life. Truth is I cant expect from camera big as fingernail to catch photos like pro digital camera. Also every model with only one main camera will fail this test. Still I am happy with xzp camera for taking pictures, even the front camera is finally good for selfies.
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Also we should wait for xz1 review, maybe they did some update on img processing...
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Glad I don't use zoom on my XZP... Or I never even used it in my life.
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Yeah, I'm not sure why this is even part of the test. If there is no actual optical zoom, what are they really testing? I see people zoom in on their smartphone cameras all the time and I wonder what the point is. Just crop the photo later. You get a better picture, and the "zoom" is effectively the same.
It's really sad and bit disappointing. I think most of the stuff they were saying true.
Couldn't care less. I didn't buy this phone for it's camera
Come on Sony... 83
Come on Sony'
I bought the XZ Premium because I already own Sony cameras. Sony is obviously the leader in sensor technology and by teaming up with Zeiss there should be no questions about the hardware. So... That only leaves one thing. Software! Apple uses Sony Sensors. Samsung likewise. Even Huawei. So we know their sensors are no better, it must be the software. Please Sony, get off your arrogant asses and give us something that's competitive. I know this 83 could be brought up to 93 if you can just give us a new update and a little software support.
I guess that wont happen ever, because Sony needs to save digital camera market tho. If they made this camera use all potential, they wont sell any 200-400 euro digital cameras.
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The initial purporpose of dxomark is to diminish any phone that lacks a second lens for bokeh and zoom and from the other side to favor the phones that have it. So i cannot take this test into consideration because it lacks any professionalism and puts double standards.
I know people love slating DXoMark with remarks like "Sony no paid dxomark= dxmark trolling Sony." I also know that we can't say if that is true or not but to be honest we don't even need DXoMarks score. The camera is poor compared to 2017 flagships. Just take an objective look and test for yourself. The problem on this forum is that people are so blind sighted and such massive fanboys they can't step back and go wow yeah this is awful. I spend £649 on this phone sim free and I understand a lot of people have done the same and want to back up the purchase with claims like the above.
The point of the matter though is that Sony's whole marketing for this thing was the camera and weather you look at a DXoMark score or not, it is not up to scratch . Its low light performance is miles of the competition, the dynamic range is shockingly bad compared to phone like the Pixel, Galaxy S7 or iPhone 7 all of which where released last year. Not even looking at the quality of the photos there is also many other issues such as camera distortion etc.
I just wish Sony would acknowledge these issues and say "Hey we are working on it" but they don't. What i would also like is a camera 2 API so at least we can use another camera app.
jms.flynn said:
I know people love slating DXoMark with remarks like "Sony no paid dxomark= dxmark trolling Sony." I also know that we can't say if that is true or not but to be honest we don't even need DXoMarks score. The camera is poor compared to 2017 flagships. Just take an objective look and test for yourself. The problem on this forum is that people are so blind sighted and such massive fanboys they can't step back and go wow yeah this is awful. I spend £649 on this phone sim free and I understand a lot of people have done the same and want to back up the purchase with claims like the above.
The point of the matter though is that Sony's whole marketing for this thing was the camera and weather you look at a DXoMark score or not, it is not up to scratch . Its low light performance is miles of the competition, the dynamic range is shockingly bad compared to phone like the Pixel, Galaxy S7 or iPhone 7 all of which where released last year. Not even looking at the quality of the photos there is also many other issues such as camera distortion etc.
I just wish Sony would acknowledge these issues and say "Hey we are working on it" but they don't. What i would also like is a camera 2 API so at least we can use another camera app.
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Then go and pay 1200 pounds to get your iPhone X to shoot in auto mode, and let the people who know about photography to shoot better photos in manual mode with almost half the price.
jms.flynn said:
I know people love slating DXoMark with remarks like "Sony no paid dxomark= dxmark trolling Sony." I also know that we can't say if that is true or not but to be honest we don't even need DXoMarks score. The camera is poor compared to 2017 flagships. Just take an objective look and test for yourself. The problem on this forum is that people are so blind sighted and such massive fanboys they can't step back and go wow yeah this is awful. I spend £649 on this phone sim free and I understand a lot of people have done the same and want to back up the purchase with claims like the above.
The point of the matter though is that Sony's whole marketing for this thing was the camera and weather you look at a DXoMark score or not, it is not up to scratch . Its low light performance is miles of the competition, the dynamic range is shockingly bad compared to phone like the Pixel, Galaxy S7 or iPhone 7 all of which where released last year. Not even looking at the quality of the photos there is also many other issues such as camera distortion etc.
I just wish Sony would acknowledge these issues and say "Hey we are working on it" but they don't. What i would also like is a camera 2 API so at least we can use another camera app.
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You can use other camera apps, just not the free versions. If you can handle a couple of euros for Camera Zoom FX you will find that the camera is not as you describe it!!! By any chance have you unlocked your bootloader? I'm sure you know that currently there is no way to backup your TA partition wich means the loss of your DRM unique key which enables camera features, and more.
I've been an xperia fan for a long time and finally Sony are releasing sw updates more frequently and this handset will get Oreo once the sony team puts it together. This will transform this handset which has great HW, as all xperia handsets
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Then go and pay 1200 pounds to get your iPhone X to shoot in auto mode, and let the people who know about photography to shoot better photos in manual mode with almost half the price.
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Wasn't really my point was it. You can go buy a year old S7 or LG G6 and shoot in manual mode or in auto mode and smash the Sony out of the water.
And if you want a more stock android experience buy a Moto G5 Plus and that also beats the Sony.
The reason I know is because i have them. The way the sony was sold with improved lens, better low light due to bigger pixel size and hybrid auto focus this was supposed to be a beast of a camera. Which it isn't, not even close.
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WildBit said:
I've been an xperia fan for a long time and finally Sony are releasing sw updates more frequently and this handset will get Oreo once the sony team puts it together. This will transform this handset which has great HW, as all xperia handsets
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Lets hope so, I am a huge Sony fan and want them to succeeded. I've had all the xperia's since the z3 compact. I just want a camera experience which is as good as the rest of the software and hardware.
This new DXO formula is idiotic... It gives adventages to dualcam phones.
whats the point of doing bokkeh test if there is actually no bokkeh...It should be a feature, it should not affect the score, because many other phones have their own features which are not measured by DXO tests.
for example. XZP has no bokkeh, but it has wider lens, which is a big advantage for me, but there are no additional point for that in the test.
Beside that, DXO tests started to be incomparable.
Look at Iphone 8 review and XZP review. I8 review is 10x more complex - it contains way more tests than XZP review.
There are also inconsistencies like:
At the first paragraph, in the "Test Summary" section they wrote, quote:
"the XZ Premium features relatively strong autofocus performance for both photography and video, as well as very good stabilization for video."
But at the end, in the "Conclusion" section they wrote, quote:
"Video performance is also competent, but marred by problems with loss of detail and mediocre stabilization."
it is really pathetic and not professional.
jms.flynn said:
I know people love slating DXoMark with remarks like "Sony no paid dxomark= dxmark trolling Sony." I also know that we can't say if that is true or not but to be honest we don't even need DXoMarks score. The camera is poor compared to 2017 flagships. Just take an objective look and test for yourself. The problem on this forum is that people are so blind sighted and such massive fanboys they can't step back and go wow yeah this is awful. I spend £649 on this phone sim free and I understand a lot of people have done the same and want to back up the purchase with claims like the above.
The point of the matter though is that Sony's whole marketing for this thing was the camera and weather you look at a DXoMark score or not, it is not up to scratch . Its low light performance is miles of the competition, the dynamic range is shockingly bad compared to phone like the Pixel, Galaxy S7 or iPhone 7 all of which where released last year. Not even looking at the quality of the photos there is also many other issues such as camera distortion etc.
I just wish Sony would acknowledge these issues and say "Hey we are working on it" but they don't. What i would also like is a camera 2 API so at least we can use another camera app.
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Do you even know what is a good photograph?
You don't like the camera quality? Seriously?
I take night photos like never before. Low light photos that are fantastic, videos in slow motion at night that are perfect.
And you compare with s7 and iPhone?
gengi said:
Do you even know what is a good photograph?
You don't like the camera quality? Seriously?
I take night photos like never before. Low light photos that are fantastic, videos in slow motion at night that are perfect.
And you compare with s7 and iPhone?
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Ok, now I know you're seriously trolling. ha ha
Please show me one of your "videos in slow motion at night that are perfect".
The 960FPS is cool, if not gimmicky, but it only really works well in very very good light
jms.flynn said:
Ok, now I know you're seriously trolling. ha ha
Please show me one of your "videos in slow motion at night that are perfect".
The 960FPS is cool, if not gimmicky, but it only really works well in very very good light
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960 fps, at night and 500 meters (at least) apart, I would say it's very good.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3HA5nmqdPh0SFFLVHpXRjBxRDA/view?usp=drivesdk
gengi said:
960 fps, at night and 500 meters (at least) apart, I would say it's very good.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3HA5nmqdPh0SFFLVHpXRjBxRDA/view?usp=drivesdk
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I know in certain lighting conditions it causes alot of flicker. I thought at night it would flicker but it doesnt so thats really cool. Nice video by the way.
Its like alot of people say though, as soon as Samsung or Apple do something new everyone in the world is like wow look at this. Then Sony does it and everyone is quiet about it. Our device the XZ Premium is the first to have a 4K HDR screen and is also the only device alongside the XZS and XZ1 to record at 960fps. Nobody in the world understands how cool it is to have those two features in the palm of your hand. If Samsung or Apple did it then im sure they would understand. As soon as another company besides Apple or Samsung do something cool they get criticised by their 'big bezels' which shouldnt even matter when you take into consideration the features packed into the device.
The score given for our device, I dont think its fair. If you want something fair watch a YouTube video on a comparison or review of the camera, im sure they will be more on point and accurate.
I didnt buy the phone for its camera. If someone wants to say they have an iPhone 8 with a higher score than my XZ Premium they can but I believe the scores are biased and that the rest of their scores are one-sided.
Don't want to bag Sony down but I have compared the XZ Premium(company issued to me) against the Pixel (I own), Pixel 2 (wife owns) and hands down, it is definitely inferior than the Pixels... It takes crappy low light photos with lots of noise. It also struggles with photos where the background is brighter. Again, I think Sony's problem really is software, just like with most Sony phones I owned.
However, I'm not saying that it doesn't do decent photos, it does. I think 86 is too low. Personally, I'd rate it around 90-92.
chefnoob said:
Don't want to bag Sony down but I have compared the XZ Premium(company issued to me) against the Pixel (I own), Pixel 2 (wife owns) and hands down, it is definitely inferior than the Pixels... It takes crappy low light photos with lots of noise. It also struggles with photos where the background is brighter. Again, I think Sony's problem really is software, just like with most Sony phones I owned.
However, I'm not saying that it doesn't do decent photos, it does. I think 86 is too low. Personally, I'd rate it around 90-92.
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I think everyone knows already that the Pixel has a better camera.