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[BENCHMARK ] Finding the ULTIMATE gaming experience.

Hi. I am looking for the BEST gaming experience on our TF700, but doesn't matter how many ROMs I,ve tested I can't get satisfied.
Please post your results here:​
Plan:
1. ROM name.
2. KERNEL name.
3. CPU / GPU settings.
4. Benchmark name and results. (Please use Quadrant, but others are OK too.)
5. MODs, tricks, whatever you want to add.
6. Your Gaming experience, for example: Gangstar Vegas is playable but a bit laggy.
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So, I'm gonna start:
1. CROMi-Xenogenesis 4.7.0
2. JB 4.2.1 ★ Hundsbuah ★ 10.6.1.14.8 ★ v3.2.0
3. CPU: All 4 cores set to: 1850Mhz GPU: 775Mhz
4. Quadrant:
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5. No MODS, No DATA2sd, 32gb version. I was using Hundsbuah program to set CPU / GPU and may have enabled gaming mode. Gaming mode slows CPU down when it gets to hot. That may have affected the score. I was running this benchmark 3 times, and once I got something like 5009 overall? Much lower, but it was generally I/O.
6. Gangstar Vegas (Gangstar 4) playable, bit laggy, but not all the time, just time to time. 5 seconds normally, 2 seconds of Lag, and so on.
GTA Vice City:
Bit Laggy on maximum settings, quite good on lower settings.
GTA III: Simmilar to Vice City, a bit better.

Reserved

deadlocked007 said:
All in all everything is laggy thanks to no optimization and tegra 3s underwhelming power with our overwhelming display... :'(
It's the same experience no matter what you use even down to the most stripped down aosp Rom.
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Agree, but this is noit the point. I know we aren't getting everything from this device. I saw it on my HTC Sensation. How much OS matters. So Please post your scores. Let's find the best solution.

You've got some serious performance issues there. With Hunds OC to 1700 on 4 cores and gpu at 600 I get 6800+ on quadrant.
You've done something wrong somewhere. Have you got fsync disabled?

sbdags said:
You've got some serious performance issues there. With Hunds OC to 1700 on 4 cores and gpu at 600 I get 6800+ on quadrant.
You've done something wrong somewhere. Have you got fsync disabled?
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Sdbags is tottally right, i just recently went over to hunds with f sync disbled,
i havent adjusted any clock speeds myself and i tend to get a quadrant score of around 6500,
as for your over clocking and gaming, im not 100% sure if thats the best thing to do due to the heat it can cause and such,
i could be tottally wrong with my last line but i am being cautious and reading up a fair bit before i crank everything up,
havent found a definitive answer on that yet unfortunately.

alanm1986 said:
Sdbags is tottally right, i just recently went over to hunds with f sync disbled,
i havent adjusted any clock speeds myself and i tend to get a quadrant score of around 6500,
as for your over clocking and gaming, im not 100% sure if thats the best thing to do due to the heat it can cause and such,
i could be tottally wrong with my last line but i am being cautious and reading up a fair bit before i crank everything up,
havent found a definitive answer on that yet unfortunately.
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You are right. With that high OC he will most likely achieve the opposite of what he actually wants to.

Not the OC is the problem, but the temperature control. But you do have a good point. I'll try getting lower. Thanks guys

[Q] (req) gpu oc N5

Can any dev out there add GPU oc too their kernel ? I have a nexus 7 (2013) with GPU running at 600mhz
I was wondering if it'd be possible at all too do the same on the nexus 5. Considering its been done on the xperia z1 which uses the same GPU.
Xperia kernel thread : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2660679
Would it be possible or difficult? I know that kernel is only compatible with CM' and I wouldn't mind if that was a requirement for it too work on the N5 but id prefer it was implemented on a kernel that would work with slimkat -specifically- slimkat 4.4.2 v3.2 stable
Any response or help on this subject would be greatly appreciated

Check it cl3kener on g+ his uber kernel has built in GPU oc.
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jwhyte said:
Check it cl3kener on g+ his uber kernel has built in GPU oc.
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Thanks for the fast response ' I'll check it out hope it suits my needs

its possible, but its pointless. you get no gain from it, except faster battery loss. and thats not really any gain. plus we are limited to 60 fps, no matter what. you can disable the fps limit, but you will get screen tearing from it.
to unlock the fps limit..
debug.egl.swapinterval=0
copy/paste this line into /system/build.prop/then reboot for it to take affect.

simms22 said:
its possible, but its pointless. you get no gain from it, except faster battery loss. and thats not really any gain. plus we are limited to 60 fps, no matter what. you can disable the fps limit, but you will get screen tearing from it.
to unlock the fps limit..
debug.egl.swapinterval=0
copy/paste this line into /system/build.prop/then reboot for it to take affect.
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I'm not looking for battery life which is why I asked, I have my max CPU speed set @ 1.5ghz and max of 2 cores on ever, I lose 1% battery overnight, I just wanna see what this thing can produce

tadgerloks said:
I'm not looking for battery life which is why I asked, I have my max CPU speed set @ 1.5ghz and max of 2 cores on ever, I lose 1% battery overnight, I just wanna see what this thing can produce
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as i said, you will not see any gain from it. ive already done some testing with it. if there was any gain from kit, it would of been done with trinity kernel in december. but, there wasnt any gain, so it was left behind.
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the gpu on the nexus 5 actually scales, between 200mhz and 450mhz. so its not always using 450mhz, only when needed. you see more gain from setting the min and max gpu speed to 450mhz than you see from overclocking the gpu.

simms22 said:
as i said, you will not see any gain from it. ive already done some testing with it. if there was any gain from kit, it would of been done with trinity kernel in december. but, there wasnt any gain, so it was left behind.
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the gpu on the nexus 5 actually scales, between 200n and 450mhz. so its not always using 450mhz, only when needed. you see more gain from setting the min and max gpu speed to 450mhz than you see from overclocking the gpu.
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Thanks for the info , I appreciate it ! I was disappointed trinity didn't have it , I was very fond of that kernel and GPU oc on my galaxy nexus

I'll play around with that kernel for a while and exp with the min and max frequencies too find what works best for me, and I'll probably go back to setting CPU freq @ 2.5ghz max 1.5ghz min , I know I have a problem and a real need for speed
Another question, would I have too manually edit the GPU speed on uberkernel using root explorer? I didn't see Amy config options GPU related on trickster mod, maybe I should use kernel tuner instead ?

I believe stock clock is 533 on uber kernel.
Chet kener on g+.
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tadgerloks said:
I know I have a problem and a real need for speed
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ive had that need for speed for a while now, good thing that i dont consider it a problem
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tadgerloks said:
Another question, would I have too manually edit the GPU speed on uberkernel using root explorer? I didn't see Amy config options GPU related on trickster mod, maybe I should use kernel tuner instead ?
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Hi,
There are the GPU settings in Trickster Mod (frequency and governor). You need to update the app with the last beta version since they added support for the Adreno 330. It's under the specific tab.
And yes 533 Mhz is the default GPU clock in this kernel, but you can underclock to the stock GPU freq (450 Mhz) with Trickster Mod.
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[Q] AnTuTu Benchmark X score is too low for Snapdragon 800

I tried AnTuTu Benchmark X on the very 1st day of my new Nexus 5. Nothing was installed and I got around 20000. The application description was showing that it is not compatible for android 4.4.
Few weeks later I tried AnTuTu on ART runtime. Then again it was too low around 18000. Then I changed my runtime and to Dalvik and tested it again it shows around 22000. I compared my result there and I got some awesome benchmarks above 30000 for nexus 5 but no one is below 25000.
So I tested it again and again it is varying. Whenever I tested it shows different result but my benchmark score doesn't go above 25000.
Can anyone please tell me why is it? Do I trust this application? Or any app to fix this issue?
My Nexus 5 is not rooted yet running on Dalvik.

Hi,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/google-nexus-5/help/snapdragon800-phone-scores-n5-t2678490.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/google-nexus-5/help/nexus-5-heavy-thermal-throttling-antutu-t2510025.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/google-nexus-5/help/nexus-slow-t2586490.
Thermal throttling (let your phone cool down before running Antutu), ART gives a bit lower scores, Dalvik+Bionic optimizations, custom kernel and so on...
There is not really something to fix since it's not really an issue, but you have the "trick" in the links above...
Read also the benchmark thread and you will see some "configurations".

amit.tiger12 said:
I tried AnTuTu Benchmark X on the very 1st day of my new Nexus 5. Nothing was installed and I got around 20000. The application description was showing that it is not compatible for android 4.4.
Few weeks later I tried AnTuTu on ART runtime. Then again it was too low around 18000. Then I changed my runtime and to Dalvik and tested it again it shows around 22000. I compared my result there and I got some awesome benchmarks above 30000 for nexus 5 but no one is below 25000.
So I tested it again and again it is varying. Whenever I tested it shows different result but my benchmark score doesn't go above 25000.
Can anyone please tell me why is it? Do I trust this application? Or any app to fix this issue?
My Nexus 5 is not rooted yet running on Dalvik.
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read the last post here too http://forum.xda-developers.com/goo...-5-user-benchmark-thread-added-t2506965/page4

Hammer_Of_The_Gods said:
Hi,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/google-nexus-5/help/snapdragon800-phone-scores-n5-t2678490.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/google-nexus-5/help/nexus-5-heavy-thermal-throttling-antutu-t2510025.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/google-nexus-5/help/nexus-slow-t2586490.
Thermal throttling (let your phone cool down before running Antutu), ART gives a bit lower scores, Dalvik+Bionic optimizations, custom kernel and so on...
There is not really something to fix since it's not really an issue, but you have the "trick" in the links above...
Read also the benchmark thread and you will see some "configurations".
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I thought that low benchmark score means low in performance. Is it true?
And why goggle does not include optimization??
Sent from my Nexus 5

amit.tiger12 said:
I thought that low benchmark score means low in performance. Is it true?
And why goggle does not include optimization??
Sent from my Nexus 5
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The thing is that unless doing benchmarks was essential, or was everyone's hobby, they would worry about it but they throttle speed and cores to keep phone cooler.

amit.tiger12 said:
I thought that low benchmark score means low in performance. Is it true?
And why goggle does not include optimization??
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Low in performance? Nope, not necessarily..., If your device is smooth and responsive? It depends what you mean by "performance"...
You can have low scores in benches and have a smooth general UI, but you can also have higher scores with a smooth general UI... Like you can have higher scores in benches but a "laggy" general UI...
I agree to not mix raw performance (benches) and "performance" in general UI... After that it depends of what you want, for me I tweak my device (governor, i/o scheduler, VM settings) to have the most possible fast, responsive and fast general UI and after, only after, I play with benches to see. My goal is to have good results, "performance", in both situations. I will not sacrify the "performance" in general UI for higher score in benches...
Why they are not included: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=49936870&postcount=681...

amit.tiger12 said:
I thought that low benchmark score means low in performance. Is it true?
And why goggle does not include optimization??
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Most will say the Nexus 5 is the smoothest Android experience to date. Google chooses not to alter how the SoC functions just to maximize synthetic benchmark scores. However that doesn't stop rooted users from doing so by:
- altering thermal throttling limits
- using optimized Dalvik instead of Art or stock Dalvik
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Other phones run their cores at full speed whenever a benchmark app is opened. With nexus devices they will only do what they have to do and not run at max speed unless it has to.
Means your phone didn't have to break a sweat running the benchmark, lots of potential.

biscuitownz said:
Other phones run their cores at full speed whenever a benchmark app is opened. With nexus devices they will only do what they have to do and not run at max speed unless it has to.
Means your phone didn't have to break a sweat running the benchmark, lots of potential.
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Also, many companies "cheat" in benchmarks. For example, Samsung is known for when the phone detects some sort of benchmark application, the phone will automatically overclock the phone to possibly unsafe limits to achieve better scores. I believe LG does this too. A quick google search of phone benchmark cheating can yield a lot.
It's interesting because I had the same thought about why my friend's LG G2 could get a higher score than I could even though I had a higher-clocked SoC and whatnot. So it might be something worth investigating yourself in your own free time

So no need to worry about benchmark scores.
nexus 5 is buttery smooth ui.. Thnx all for your ans.
Sent from my Nexus 5

amit.tiger12 said:
So no need to worry about benchmark scores.
nexus 5 is buttery smooth ui.. Thnx all for your ans.
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Yes, exactly. If all is smooth in UI it's the most important. It depends also of what you want, if you want to play with benches use the "classic" Antutu and tweak a bit your device (custom kernel, Bionic/Dalvik patches). You can achieve about 35 000 points without overclock..., all is explained and it's up to you.
But if you are not a "bencher" or you don't see the goal, uninstall it and use your phone as you need. You are right, no need to worry about if all the rest is fine for you.

power saver!
power saver drags my benchmark scores down by a lot! disable all power savers, close all apps and then try

navid0308 said:
power saver drags my benchmark scores down by a lot! disable all power savers, close all apps and then try
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there is no power saver option for nexus 5.
By the its time for closing the thread.

amit.tiger12 said:
there is no power saver option for nexus 5.
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There is actually.
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rootSU said:
There is actually.
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its in lollipop.
not in Kitkat, right?

[KERNEL] [N910C/H] [MM Stable] Perseus-Halaszk-universal5433 [06 May 2016]

- FIRST READ -
** THIS CAN BRICK YOUR DEVICE **
** ONLY FOR SM-N910C/H MARSHMALLOW** ​IF YOU NEVER FLASH AND SET A KERNEL BE AWARE​IF YOU ARE NOT HAPPY WITH THIS KERNEL FLASH OTHER CUSTOM KERNELS
(GoogyMaxN4 or Wanam or Ultimate)​
I asked for permission to announce this kernel and All credits goes to @halaszk88
DONATE to halaszk88
(Every Coffee you send, will help him to work overnights )
Github Source:
2016.05.06 - All Sources are up to date V2.2MM Version
https://github.com/halaszk/Perseus-halaszk-universal5433
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Kernel Download:
https://github.com/halaszk/Perseus-halaszk-universal5433/wiki
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Thanks;
Credits,and big thanks to:
-halaszk88
-AndreiLux
-UpInTheAir
-Faux123
-Yank555.lu
-Friedrich420
-Dorimanx
-Alucard24
-Flar2
-Myfluxi
-Savoca
-TwistedUmbrella
-and to many many others!
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Bugs - Screen Shots
-BUGS-
WiFi must be always ON to prevent MicroLags, TouchLag, UI Lag (Discussed on AndreiLux issue tracker)
-My Personel Settings-
https://youtu.be/W1if5mkhY1Q
My personel settings are like this. UnderVolt settings will not be compitable with yours. Every SoC has it's own UV capability so try and find yours.
-Power Advantage Calculation for My SoC -
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"A57 are about 1.87 more efficient in performance per Mhz and 4.23 times less efficient in perf/W outside of voltage droop."
-Benchmark ScreenShots-

Change log
All Info Can be Found here
https://github.com/halaszk/Perseus-halaszk-universal5433/wiki
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Info
* Flash zip file from CWM/TWRP (I am using TWRP)
* Wipe dalvick cache and cache (only an advise)
* Install SYNAPSE from PlayStore (thanks @AndreiLux for synapse)
* Make settings over Synapse
Battery and CPU Freq Stats

Wow, a new kernel! Nice to see it here!

nice..happy to see this.. 1 suggestion.. maybe u should state whether this is for lollipop or kk..

randykzc said:
nice..happy to see this.. 1 suggestion.. maybe u should state whether this is for lollipop or kk..
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When you look at the Geekbench 3 screenshot, you can see that it says that it's lollipop.
Edit: Topic name now says that it's lollipop.

New kernel!welcome !
Sent from Note 4C

Excellent work here! Hopefully we gonna have updates! Thanks a lot!
EDITED:
Are you already using the latest source code (BOC3) seems it's already released.

I am not the DEV, developer is @halaszk88
But he is working to merge BOC3 source at the moment.
BOC3 Source code released couple of hours after V0.9F compiled.
andrew.mackew said:
Excellent work here! Hopefully we gonna have updates! Thanks a lot!
EDITED:
Are you already using the latest source code (BOC3) seems it's already released.
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I hope that this kernel is going to stay here over the years and not get banned from xda like Ultimate kernel. One question: does it have CPU overclocking? If it has, how high?
Edit: I see it now. Thanks!

kadiremrah said:
I am not the DEV, developer is @halaszk88
But he is working to merge BOC3 source at the moment.
BOC3 Source code released couple of hours after V0.9F compiled.
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Awesome news! Looking forward to see new updates! Thank you and the dev!

Whats it mean S6 cross cover?
Can you make this for F model?

Oohh..how long I waited to see a custom kernel thread..... Now the fun begins... Million thanks for the effort.. Looking for updates...
Thanks again....

please share your synapse setting

Ok so I am on asv 7 oc big cores to 2 GHz 1293.75 v and small ones to 1700 mhz on 1350 v and the the gpu on a safe oc at 700 mhz on 1062.5 v on antutu i get 35k with perfomance governor with some settings on development settings turned on on ultimate kernel my max antutu score was 43 k so anyone want to collaborate here? Also anyone posting their results please post also ypur asv rating of your board it is visible on synapse... And i gotta say that it doesn't feel butter smooth yet i mean the general ui animations. I also didn't use a fridge wasn't on powersaving mode and didn't lower the resolution to test it further yet i can get higher scores on 1080p or even 720 but since the score is so low from the start i don't expect any miracles can the op describe to us how did he get that amazing score?

Well UI is smooth here. But Antutu is low like yours. 35000 is a canceled one i think. GPU throttle frequencies are absolutely to high. My phone is not passing last gpu test with these settings. Strange is that gpu frequency stats never show any frequency above 420 MHz. The mainly used frequency is 266. That's the simole explanation for these low scores Looks like gpu oc and gpu scaling in general is not working correct atm. Anyway a nice attenpt and already good for daily use.
OP how do you got these scores?

This would be stock score

Glad to see you here!!
After the (in)glory of note3.. now we try with the 4..

My ASV is 8 using 981mV on 700MHz and 667MHz these two freq. need same voltage. And all gpu voltages must set precisely. If not test can be completed but with lower FPS so lower Score. DVFS helping to correct wrong Voltage of Freq. but this ErrorCorrectionTime seen as lower FPS.
And LL is said to has a PowerSaving bug. If "Settings/Power Saving/Power Saving Mode/Restrict Performance/CPU Performance" option ON whether PowerSavingMode settings is ON or OFF GPU does not go over 350MHz.
So go Settings/Power Saving/Power Saving Mode/Restrict Performance and set CPU Performance untick. May help
Enable 4x MSSA will give more detail but lower score so try stock values first, then find your setting step by step
For SMOOTHER UI please DISABLE "PowerEfficientWorkqueues" on Synapse/CORTEX_BRAIN menu
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Ok so I am on asv 7 oc big cores to 2 GHz 1293.75 v and small ones to 1700 mhz on 1350 v and the the gpu on a safe oc at 700 mhz on 1062.5 v on antutu i get 35k with perfomance governor with some settings on development settings turned on on ultimate kernel my max antutu score was 43 k so anyone want to collaborate here? Also anyone posting their results please post also ypur asv rating of your board it is visible on synapse... And i gotta say that it doesn't feel butter smooth yet i mean the general ui animations. I also didn't use a fridge wasn't on powersaving mode and didn't lower the resolution to test it further yet i can get higher scores on 1080p or even 720 but since the score is so low from the start i don't expect any miracles can the op describe to us how did he get that amazing score?
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pappschlumpf said:
Well UI is smooth here. But Antutu is low like yours. 35000 is a canceled one i think. GPU throttle frequencies are absolutely to high. My phone is not passing last gpu test with these settings. Strange is that gpu frequency stats never show any frequency above 420 MHz. The mainly used frequency is 266. That's the simole explanation for these low scores Looks like gpu oc and gpu scaling in general is not working correct atm. Anyway a nice attenpt and already good for daily use.
OP how do you got these scores?
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Benchmarks

Since nobody have posted nothing about benchmarks on this awesome phone, here it is.
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Here is a geekbench3 score on mine...

Last picture didn't post... let's try this again with another geekbench3 result I just got.

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Last picture didn't post... let's try this again with another geekbench3 result I just got.
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Awesome!
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First time I ran this the day I got the phone I got about 4800 on geekbench3.
Since then, rooted and debloated a little at a time... it just keeps getting faster and smoother.
I got this score running the Noble Alpha kernel tonight, after removing more bloat.
Benchmarks in and of themselves do not prove much. But when comparing same device performance when tweaking, I do believe they are a good indication of performance loss or gains.
I can say... I'm impressed with the note 5.

Antutu

Quadrant...

Antutu Benchmark Score
Antutu Benchmark
Have a great day!

http://browser.primatelabs.com/battery3/141591 my battery test result. Running darthstalker rom v3 and skyhigh kernel 2.1

That's what I've gotten. And I've consistently gotten just over 70k, I am LOVING this phone

So is this good? How well does pcmark score on your device?

So i updated antutu to the latest beta 1 version 6..and here s the tally. Also ran a bunch of other tests...
Using darthstalker v4 with xposed running in the bakground, skyhigh 2.1 kernel with a57 locked to 2.4 and a general undervolt of -87.5mv accross the board (-100mv actually on the a53 cores) and 852mhz gpu clock (so basically i m kinda maxed out ) ) everything runs perfectly smooth and stable and my main goal with all.the tweaking actually is to know that i ll be golden till the note 7 comes out LOL (at least).

My highest scores

aldoblaga said:
So i updated antutu to the latest beta 1 version 6..and here s the tally. Also ran a bunch of other tests...
Using darthstalker v4 with xposed running in the bakground, skyhigh 2.1 kernel with a57 locked to 2.4 and a general undervolt of -87.5mv accross the board (-100mv actually on the a53 cores) and 852mhz gpu clock (so basically i m kinda maxed out ) ) everything runs perfectly smooth and stable and my main goal with all.the tweaking actually is to know that i ll be golden till the note 7 comes out LOL (at least).
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Something wrong with my phone. I/O test is gonna fly

alexander1995 said:
Something wrong with my phone. I/O test is gonna flyView attachment 3548240
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Awesome ???

aldoblaga said:
Awesome ???
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Wait for the official version to fix this bug

Antutu

I don't get why mine is so slow... I get the same general AnTuTu scores across stock, arter97, and now Skyhigh. It's the same with every benchmark, slower than it should be. =/
One thing I noticed... Synapse always shows Core 2 at -1C... I wonder if I have a faulty chip?

EtherealRemnant said:
I don't get why mine is so slow... I get the same general AnTuTu scores across stock, arter97, and now Skyhigh. It's the same with every benchmark, slower than it should be. =/
One thing I noticed... Synapse always shows Core 2 at -1C... I wonder if I have a faulty chip?
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Thermal throttling my friend. Try leaving the phone in a cool place for 10 minutes and then running another benchmark. Your scores should be around 69-70 or above, normally.

aldoblaga said:
Thermal throttling my friend. Try leaving the phone in a cool place for 10 minutes and then running another benchmark. Your scores should be around 69-70 or above, normally.
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That's some serious heat this chip produces. My 4940MX runs about as hot as the Exynos does lol
I'm sitting in a room where it's like 18C at the moment but I suppose I could stick it in the fridge.