I'll attach a screenshot... but I noticed OpenGapps.org is providing a download link for a new Gapps package that would be compatible with our Nexus Player. Until I noticed, there was not an option available for download for the x86_64 hardware.
OpenGapps.org link
http://opengapps.org/
Options available for x86_64 for Android 6
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ElfinJNoty said:
I'll attach a screenshot... but I noticed OpenGapps.org is providing a download link for a new Gapps package that would be compatible with our Nexus Player. Until I noticed, there was not an option available for download for the x86_64 hardware.
OpenGapps.org link
http://opengapps.org/
Options available for x86_64 for Android 6
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Nexus Player is x86 Intel. Not x86_64.
It is capable of running.... oh I dunno, RemixOS or something... is x86 Intel, but is a 64bit capable chip
Whole point is.... what wasn't there as far as a compatible MM Gapps package, now is
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It wont work though, or it shouldn't work as far as I know. It doesn't matter if the chip is a 64bit chip. The ROM and kernel drivers for the Nexus Player is 32bit only. x86_64 Gapps will not run on a 32bit operating system, you need 32bit gapps ONLY. Now if the ROM and kernel were the 64bit version (and I'm not sure if there is one), then maybe both 32bit and 64bit Gapps would work. But one thing is for sure, you can't run 64bit apps on a 32bit operating system, it just doesn't work like that.
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It is capable of running.... oh I dunno, RemixOS or something... is x86 Intel, but is a 64bit capable chip
Whole point is.... what wasn't there as far as a compatible MM Gapps package, now is
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The chip is a Intel Atom Z356, which does contain the 64 bit instruction set, yes.
How they have it configured however, makes it hard to boot a 64 bit kernel/userspace combo.
The reason is that the bootloader runs in 32 bit mode, passing 32 bit ACPI tables, and more to the kernel. Even the hardware chips (the WiFi, etc.) distributed firmware is 32 bit (which, although x86 PROGRAMS run on 64 bit machine, firmware is not the same way, device firmware intended for 32 bit machines often won't work). This is, in my opinion, why they build targeting x86.
Flashing an x86_64 GApps package would fail on the CPU check (as firmware presents it as x86 only), and the apps would fail to run, as they are targeted at 64 bit devices.
You could try to create a 64 bit build for the NP though (I have, but never got to far into the project). If you did though, there aren't many added abilities on 64 bit machines.
You can't just build targeting x86_64 either. The bootloader presents x86 only (view-able in UART logs), meaning it would not boot a 64 bit kernel, meaning we can't run a 64 bit userspace.
The current x86 package works fine on AOSP builds. For Leanback, you'd need to download opengapps source and build targeting tvstock-x86.
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It wont work though, or it shouldn't work as far as I know. It doesn't matter if the chip is a 64bit chip. The ROM and kernel drivers for the Nexus Player is 32bit only. x86_64 Gapps will not run on a 32bit operating system, you need 32bit gapps ONLY. Now if the ROM and kernel were the 64bit version (and I'm not sure if there is one), then maybe both 32bit and 64bit Gapps would work. But one thing is for sure, you can't run 64bit apps on a 32bit operating system, it just doesn't work like that.
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Agreed. And, its not like we can just target x86_64 either in AOSP builds.
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Agreed. And, its not like we can just target x86_64 either in AOSP builds.
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You know all this talk about 32bit and 64bit makes me wonder why they even bothered using 32bit in the first place? Sure, there's no performance increase using 64bit OS, and sure there's not enough memory to justify using 64bit. However, a full 64bit OS would have been ideal simply because then all apps, 32bit and 64bit would have worked. It makes no sense to me to use a 32bit OS on 64bit hardware.
UNLESS something on the hardware side just didn't have a 64bit driver/source available at the time of engineering, which I highly doubt was the reason in 2014. IMO they should have used a 64bit OS simply because they used a processor capable of running 64bit code. Sounds to me like they had already started building Android TV on 32bit hardware BEFORE the Atom SoC was sourced and were simply just too lazy to start over using 64bit code.
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You know all this talk about 32bit and 64bit makes me wonder why they even bothered using 32bit in the first place? Sure, there's no performance increase using 64bit OS, and sure there's not enough memory to justify using 64bit. However, a full 64bit OS would have been ideal simply because then all apps, 32bit and 64bit would have worked. It makes no sense to me to use a 32bit OS on 64bit hardware.
UNLESS something on the hardware side just didn't have a 64bit driver/source available at the time of engineering, which I highly doubt was the reason in 2014. IMO they should have used a 64bit OS simply because they used a processor capable of running 64bit code. Sounds to me like they had already started building Android TV on 32bit hardware BEFORE the Atom SoC was sourced and were simply just too lazy to start over using 64bit code.
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Haha. I actually explained above the reply to yours that out wifi driver is 32 bit only, and doesn't like 64 bit kernel setups. It is specifically commented in logs, and, all of our other blobs are x86 only.
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Haha. I actually explained above the reply to yours that out wifi driver is 32 bit only, and doesn't like 64 bit kernel setups. It is specifically commented in logs, and, all of our other blobs are x86 only.
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Ahhaaaa, then that is surely why. Without a Ethernet port the wifi performance is utmost paramount. However, that is very difficult to believe considering it is certified AC hardware engineered in a day and age when 64bit rules the hardware markets. I haven't seen a 3rd party AC WIFI adapter yet, usb or pcie that does not work great on a 64bit OS, so that excuse is very surprising to me, lol.
I like the NP, but it needs the internal wifi disabled and a "great" aftermarket "powered" USB HUB, WIFI AC adapter and a USB-Ethernet adapter nearby just to make it a better device. I'd be willing to test such a setup if a full 64bit ROM was built for it, lol.
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I just bought a netbook with the following specs:
Brand
SYLVANIA
Model
SYNET7WIC
OS Provided
Windows Embedded Compact 7
CPU Speed
800MHz
Screen Size
7"
Widescreen Display
Yes
Max Resolution
800 x 480
Display Feature
TFT
Memory
512MB
SSD
2GB flash
WLAN
802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN
USB
3 x USB 2.0
Audio Ports
1 x Microphone jack; 1 x Headphone jack
Card Reader
SD card slot (up to 32GB)
I came across it when I was bored one day and figured I'd give it a try. For 52 bucks, how could I resist? At the least, I would be able to use this to search the internet when my tablet is dead. When it came to my door, I wasn't horribly shocked that the operating system, Windows CE, slowed it down very much. Now I'm looking to can CE and replace it with Android. I've seen videos online of people running Android on similar (if not, the complete same device) netbooks and running extremely well.
The only thing is, I'm not sure where to begin. I can't seem to dig up many tutorials on how to do this. I did find a few guides but they instruct me to boot from USB, which is something that isn't possible. I think I can boot from an SD Card, but I still need to know how to go about this.
If anybody has any tips of a link to a guide that can help me out on this it would be very appreciated. I was directed here by someone from After Dawn. Hopefully you guys here can help me out.
You should be able to boot from SD if you set the BIOS to Boot the SD first. But I too would like to know how to actually run a nice ICS ROM on my netbook. Currently I use Linux Jolicloud 1.2 which gets you online and all but its so limited and has very little support or backing, but it does run on nearly any netbook without need patches or anything like you would need with hackintosh or anything like that. Hopefully you find out so I can too haha.
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You should be able to boot from SD if you set the BIOS to Boot the SD first. But I too would like to know how to actually run a nice ICS ROM on my netbook. Currently I use Linux Jolicloud 1.2 which gets you online and all but its so limited and has very little support or backing, but it does run on nearly any netbook without need patches or anything like you would need with hackintosh or anything like that. Hopefully you find out so I can too haha.
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This is my problem. I have no idea how to get into the bios, if it's possible at all.
I'd go with linux
I don't think Android is the right system for a netbook (especially one without a touch screen). I'd probably install chrome os or a some other stripped down linux distro. That way you could have full office capabilities on it.
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I don't think Android is the right system for a netbook (especially one without a touch screen). I'd probably install chrome os or a some other stripped down linux distro. That way you could have full office capabilities on it.
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I'd settle for pretty much anything except Windows CE. A horrible little OS. I've seen videos on Youtube of this exact netbook of mine running other operating systems and way faster without CE. I just need to figure out how they did it...
I thought this place was filled with a bunch of smart people? Come on guys, I need some help here.
little late but,
Chakan923 said:
I just bought a netbook with the following specs:
Brand
SYLVANIA
Model
SYNET7WIC
OS Provided
Windows Embedded Compact 7
CPU Speed
800MHz
Screen Size
7"
Widescreen Display
Yes
Max Resolution
800 x 480
Display Feature
TFT
Memory
512MB
SSD
2GB flash
WLAN
802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN
USB
3 x USB 2.0
Audio Ports
1 x Microphone jack; 1 x Headphone jack
Card Reader
SD card slot (up to 32GB)
I came across it when I was bored one day and figured I'd give it a try. For 52 bucks, how could I resist? At the least, I would be able to use this to search the internet when my tablet is dead. When it came to my door, I wasn't horribly shocked that the operating system, Windows CE, slowed it down very much. Now I'm looking to can CE and replace it with Android. I've seen videos online of people running Android on similar (if not, the complete same device) netbooks and running extremely well.
The only thing is, I'm not sure where to begin. I can't seem to dig up many tutorials on how to do this. I did find a few guides but they instruct me to boot from USB, which is something that isn't possible. I think I can boot from an SD Card, but I still need to know how to go about this.
If anybody has any tips of a link to a guide that can help me out on this it would be very appreciated. I was directed here by someone from After Dawn. Hopefully you guys here can help me out.
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dunno if you've figured it out yet, but you need uberoid, use option 64 you can find it at techknow forums
Android 2.2
BTW the Android 2.2 ROM from Craig CLP281 works without modification on this one. (http://www.craigelectronics.com/site/pdetails.php?id=314) Ran the update, all the drivers (sound+wifi) work. Can post the video if anyone likes
I just picked one up on ebay for 15 bucks. I would like to run android how did you get it running?
I have Android running on my PC.
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Link to Android 4.3 ISO - http://www.android-x86.org/download
http://www.howtogeek.com/164570/how-to-install-android-in-virtualbox/
I would also recommend Lubuntu as a very light Linux OS.
you can try Android-x86 I have put in on both my laptop and netbook to test it out..worked well for me.
Android for a netbook I dont hink its good
sylvania 8650 android
BTW the Android 2.2 ROM from Craig CLP281 works without modification on this one. Ran the update, all the drivers (sound+wifi) work. Can post the video if anyone likes.
Absolutely correct, Android works fine on my SYNET7WIC computer. Just follow the installation instructions given, which are super simple. I did use 7-zip to unpack the .RAR file. Note the link to the Craig site (just Google Craig notebooks) had to be deleted from this newbie post.
Here's how to run Android apps on your Windows/Mac desktop/laptop computer..
Android is the most prolific and fastest growing platform on the market right now, and it’s been so for the last couple of years. With that growth came more than 700,000 applications on Google Play, a figure that is on par with what Apple has in its App Store.
With such a wealth of apps, you might be secretly wishing to have some of them available not just on your phone or tablet, but also on your Windows or Mac notebook/desktop computer. And now there is an easy way to do just that with an called BlueStacks.
The application is still in beta, but it does pretty well in its core functionality - allowing you to run Google Play and install apps from it on your computer.
There is both a Windows and Mac version of Bluestacks, and everything should be working just fine and easily. Give it a shot - it’s right below.
Download Bluestacks for Windows
Download Bluestacks for OSX
SOURCE:Coolsmartphones
Windows + Android = WindowsAndroid
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WindowsAndroid is a new PC program allowing you to run Android natively on your Windows 8, 7 or Vista PC. Some of you may remember BlueStacks - a program with a similar purpose, but not quite the same. While BlueStacks lets you run Android apps on your Windows PC, WindowsAndroid by Socketeq makes it possible to run Android itself, along with any apps you may want.
Right now, the WindowsAndroid program is not quite ready, and it seems it requires some geeky moves in order to get it working, but the developer promises that everything will be easily accessible for regular consumers once it's ready.
WindowsAndroid executes Android 4.0 using the Windows kernel, instead of the Linux one, which allows the mobile OS to perform smoothly since no emulation action is going on. The program should make it possible for every Android enthusiast to seamlessly run their favorite apps on their PC.
If you wish to give WindowsAndroid a try, you can download the program from the developer's website here
Note: If the link to the developer's website doesn't work for you, it's probably because of the "heavy load". It should be back up soon.
WindowsAndroid runs Android without emulation on Windows 8
WindowsAndroid runs Android without emulation on Windows 8
This week the folks at Socketeq have been pushing for a widespread testing of their software setup known as WindowsAndroid, running Android natively inside Windows OS. This system takes the Android mobile operating system and runs it on the Windows kernel – instead of Linux, that is, and therefor making everything move ultra-swift as it takes away the emulation layer that would otherwise be present. Sound like a fun project to you? Have at it right this minute!
This setup is currently working with Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich and requires a little more than base knowledge of how to work with Android outside of its standard smartphone housing. That means if you’ve never hacked your smartphone or tablet before, this might not be ready for prime-time for you at the moment. Once you’re in-the-know, on the other hand, you’ll be running apps and games of all kinds – including 3D games, so Socketeq promises – like a wild animal!
What’s extra fun about this whole situation is that it’s possible, depending on the setup you’ve got on your Windows machine, that you’ll be able to work with full touch controls as well as mouse and keyboard. Google added native support for both keyboards and mice (USB, Bluetooth, or otherwise) so you’ll almost certainly be working with those two ancient devices, but the future is wide open! It’s important to note here also that Android will still need your help running apps as this build comes with basically none – you’ll want to download Gapps (from one of the many sources we’re sure you’ve got a hold on right this minute) and flash them on your own once you’ve got WindowsAndroid running.
NOTE: WindowsAndroid currently runs on Windows 8 as well as Windows 7 and Windows Vista – good luck!
You can download WindowsAndroid from the Socketeq website by entering your email and basic info which they promise they’ll do no evil with therein. Be sure, again, to know what you’re doing before you download or start up any apps such as those spoken about above, and understand that SlashGear claims no responsibility for you destroying your systems for the fun of it. That said, have lots of fun!
Also be sure to check out BlueStacks, a system made to push Android apps to Windows and Mac computers that’s been in business for over a year – great stuff! Now the war will begin, users deciding whether they’d rather run natively or in an emulated environment. Which one will you choose?
Source: Android police
Due to heavy download, SOCKETEQ site has stop giving download option. So you can download the same from this link -> Download
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*WARNING* HEAVY LOAD ON THE WEBSITE OF SOCKETQ
So downloading has been disabled.
Any other sources?
Here you go buddy-> Download
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Looks awesome!
But maybe you guys could rename it as "windroid", it's a bit easier to say.
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kataria.vikesh said:
Here you go buddy-> Download
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Bro, does it work on Windows 7?
Edit: Got it.. Missed that line somehow..
sudhindrakv said:
Bro, does it work on Windows 7?
Edit: Got it.. Missed that line somehow..
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Glad you read that buddy. BTW has anybody else tried that..??
MaartenXDA said:
Looks awesome!
But maybe you guys could rename it as "windroid", it's a bit easier to say.
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buddy I can't modify the name of application which is predefined by Dev himself.
I am not able to download the file completely.. Tried it a hundred times in different browsers, also different download managers.. Somehow the link breaks and download gets aborted in the middle.. Any other link??
Currently using bluestacks.
Plants vs. Zombies looks beautiful
So does ctick cricket
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Vikesh buddy, the file has been removed.. Any other link??
I have these one. Uploading..
I m in my bro marriage. But i can upload using team viewer.
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I tried this(WindowsAndroid). It installed correctly over windows 8, but whenever I run it, a command window opens, outputs some lines and then closes. Nothing else.
The-Droidster said:
I tried this(WindowsAndroid). It installed correctly over windows 8, but whenever I run it, a command window opens, outputs some lines and then closes. Nothing else.
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Try it n windws 7. In 8 its showing error.
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Works for me, but it doesn't show the home back and recent apps button :/
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Here is the link
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?0qslq7oxkb4xy4x
Now i m going for dance.. Yo Yo Honey Singh..
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The s/w doesn't work.. Probably its the case with Windows 7.. Installed perfectly.. But when tried to open, a DOS cmd opens and loads something.. But when its done, the window of the s/w opens and closes.. Hv attached d sceenshot..
The-Droidster said:
I tried this(WindowsAndroid). It installed correctly over windows 8, but whenever I run it, a command window opens, outputs some lines and then closes. Nothing else.
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Exactly.. Same thing happened with me..
kataria.vikesh said:
Here is the link
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?0qslq7oxkb4xy4x
Now i m going for dance.. Yo Yo Honey Singh..
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Even i want to dance..
Kudi saturday saturday
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Do you think is it possible to have this Windows 8/Android integration:
http://www.engadget.com/video/viddler/ac514577/
on Surface Pro? I think it's a sort of Bluestacks modded by Samsung, it's not a dual boot system.
It would be fantastic (at least for me)
That looks pretty cool. ..it would be great if it was more reliable than bluestacks, that way I could reliably run epocrates and pleco.
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Actually it is supposedly running android natively according to Samsung. no idea how they are achieving that, my guess is that they got android to play nicely with Hyper-V or something and it does a full screen virtualisation (which with hyperV + haswell will still perform like a high end android tablet). Not a conventional dual boot though.
If there was some definate information about how it was done then it may well work on the surface pro too.
I think there's no virtual machine..
Seeing the amazing performace, I suppose it can be a sort of chroot executed under windows.
The presence of a kernel that supports the Core processors in Android, makes me think that no hardware is virtualized and that the instruction are executed natively in a protected area as it happens with chroot.
It wuold be awsome having the possibility to install all this on every pc in the world.
The best of the two worlds 8Q__
I'm not sure you understand how chroot works... or how operating systems in general do, actually. Android is built on top of the Linux kernel. Leaving aside the fact that Windows doesn't support chroot, chroot still requires a compatible kernel to handle system calls. Win32 system calls are different from the POSIX system calls that Linux uses. NT does have a POSIX subsystem, but it's not fully compatible with Linux (and isn't binary-compatible at all; programs need to be recompiled to run under it) and isn't included with any version of Win8 except Enterprise anyhow.
It's either a pure Dalvik runtime on x86 - which could exist, but would only execute programs that were purely Dalvik code and didn't use the native dev kit at all - or it's an Android VM of some sort (note: virtualization doesn't mean the performance is bad. You're confusing it with emulation). It's vaguely possible it runs on NT through some compatibility layer like Cygwin (except that requires recompiling) or LBW (which requires the aforementioned POSIX subsystem), but I doubt it. Android in Hyper-V seems by far the most likely to me.
It certainly has the hardware to support Hyper-V and if I were samsung that would be the route I would go down for 100% android compatibility.
This device seems far better to me than the asus transformer trio or whatever it was called. The asus device was just horribly disjointed, this seems closer to true android/windows 8 intercompatibility.
Maybe its like a backwards wine? e.g. run the linux system calls under windows? or maybe e.g. like colinux?
donbowman said:
Maybe its like a backwards wine? e.g. run the linux system calls under windows? or maybe e.g. like colinux?
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I don't believe that colinux has any x64 support, and it would require some rather significant reworking of Android's display layer.
@donbowman: The closest thing I know of to "backwards wine" is LBW, Linux Binaries on Windows. It's a very hacked-together and incomplete project which appears to now be abandoned, although I've considered working it myself from time to time. It requires the POSIX subsystem, which Microsoft has shown very little interest in continuing to support.
Any chance of an ARM chip in there?
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Any chance of an ARM chip in there?
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I haven't looked at the hardware at all but I seriously doubt it. It's far easier and cheaper to either emulate an ARM CPU on the x64 chip or just use Androidx86 or another similar distro.
I think they said in the unveil that it is running on the haswell.
Intel offer a variant of android to device manufacturers seperate from Android-IA. So far its only been available on clovertrail but it may well have been modified to run on haswell (and HyperV or something). But it includes a wrapper for the NDK which runs native code inside an ARM emulator, yet if an app has an x86 NDK binary is still capable of running that in x86 mode. Would make including an ARM core irrelevant.
Must say, loving the look of the Q. When its out perhaps someone will be able to take a closer look at how android is actually running (and it may well be a port of dalvik rather than emulating or virtualising android or a Linux compatibility layer, my bet is on virtualisation). Then chances are it will be able to be ported or duplicated on the pro.
This is definitely possible. Go check out this website.
Update: YMMV, but android-ia did not work properly for me. The touch screen didn't work, nor did wifi or bluetooth. ALSO, when I booted back into windows, auto rotation no longer works and in the charms menu (slide from right side of screen) I see "brightness" instead of "screen" and the icon changed from that of a screen to a sun (Surface Pro). So I would not recommend trying this. Maybe I did something wrong, but still.
Kraize said:
Update: YMMV, but android-ia did not work properly for me. The touch screen didn't work, nor did wifi or bluetooth. ALSO, when I booted back into windows, auto rotation no longer works and in the charms menu (slide from right side of screen) I see "brightness" instead of "screen" and the icon changed from that of a screen to a sun (Surface Pro). So I would not recommend trying this. Maybe I did something wrong, but still.
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its always said brightness.....
Android IA does not have a surface pro image so has no drivers for its touch or WiFi, that much is obvious.
Also for it to effect your windows partition you have done something wrong yourself, android cant do that to your windows partition.
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its always said brightness.....
Android IA does not have a surface pro image so has no drivers for its touch or WiFi, that much is obvious.
Also for it to effect your windows partition you have done something wrong yourself, android cant do that to your windows partition.
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Uhm, I don't know about you, but mine always showed a "screen" icon, not a brightness icon.
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Uhm, I don't know about you, but mine always showed a "screen" icon, not a brightness icon.
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I dont own a touch device but on my desktop its a brightness slider (greyed out though)
Subscribed. It would indeed be awesome to have Ativ Q Android VM ported to Surface Pro. Anyone had luck with Android-IA?
Hi everyone!
There's a thread on getting Ubuntu running on the Asus T100 so I was wondering if it's possible to get OS X working as well.
tr0picana said:
Hi everyone!
There's a thread on getting Ubuntu running on the Asus T100 so I was wondering if it's possible to get OS X working as well.
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It comes down to driver support. There isn't currently any BayTrail OSX devices currently so there isn't any support/drivers for the hardware/chip. This means that in order to get OSX running they would have to force driver creation, find documentation or hack something together. While it does share similiar bases with linux it isn't just that. Without proper driver support if it ever did run it would be slow.
Now as for ubuntu running you think hey you mentioned linux. Ubuntu is linux and they are making headway well why wouldn't it be the same. Well ubuntu is purely linux pretty much with a few changes here and there. But android shares a similar bases with the ubuntu linux counterpart... Plus the chip (BayTrail) was made to support android aswell which means it would be easier to make and eventually there will be a official android tablet with official baytrail counterpart. Now once that happens they can take apart those drivers possibly to help get linux support for them. Also linux and android are well documented and mostly open. There is more understanding of the makings and inner working of both android and linux Systems, both low level and high level code work.
It will be far easier to get a linux base like ubuntu running that it will OSX at the moment. OSX just doesn't have as much coding developers that can just throw code in. Not everything in OSX is open source. While Linux uses a lot of OPEN source and GPL code. This means people will have a better time with it
Another important factor is if intel releases the documentation that the develoers need to be able to get proper device support and reasonable speed.
Well it comes down to whether they can get drivers or working subsitute to work on that systems and on the chip. While you may be able to install OSX on a intel device it does not mean that it is supported off the bat which could lead to non booting, unable to install, high level emulation needed to run basic things, bootloops..etc... the error can go on.
Linux will have the same issues but with the more open support and more of the developers who can code and understand what they are doing ubuntu will come before OSX by far.
You would need people who are dedicated to the OSX platform to try,... Now if Apple released a BayTrail product then if the drivers are posted under GPL or public then developers could get it working on this device easier as well.
Linux in general has a far larger support base than what a lot of people think.
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It comes down to driver support. There isn't currently any BayTrail OSX devices currently so there isn't any support/drivers for the hardware/chip. This means that in order to get OSX running they would have to force driver creation, find documentation or hack something together. While it does share similiar bases with linux it isn't just that. Without proper driver support if it ever did run it would be slow.
Now as for ubuntu running you think hey you mentioned linux. Ubuntu is linux and they are making headway well why wouldn't it be the same. Well ubuntu is purely linux pretty much with a few changes here and there. But android shares a similar bases with the ubuntu linux counterpart... Plus the chip (BayTrail) was made to support android aswell which means it would be easier to make and eventually there will be a official android tablet with official baytrail counterpart. Now once that happens they can take apart those drivers possibly to help get linux support for them. Also linux and android are well documented and mostly open. There is more understanding of the makings and inner working of both android and linux Systems, both low level and high level code work.
It will be far easier to get a linux base like ubuntu running that it will OSX at the moment. OSX just doesn't have as much coding developers that can just throw code in. Not everything in OSX is open source. While Linux uses a lot of OPEN source and GPL code. This means people will have a better time with it
Another important factor is if intel releases the documentation that the develoers need to be able to get proper device support and reasonable speed.
Well it comes down to whether they can get drivers or working subsitute to work on that systems and on the chip. While you may be able to install OSX on a intel device it does not mean that it is supported off the bat which could lead to non booting, unable to install, high level emulation needed to run basic things, bootloops..etc... the error can go on.
Linux will have the same issues but with the more open support and more of the developers who can code and understand what they are doing ubuntu will come before OSX by far.
You would need people who are dedicated to the OSX platform to try,... Now if Apple released a BayTrail product then if the drivers are posted under GPL or public then developers could get it working on this device easier as well.
Linux in general has a far larger support base than what a lot of people think.
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Thanks for the in-depth response! I was hoping that since OS X has been working on existing Atom netbooks it wouldn't be difficult to add support for Bay Trail. Here's to hoping it's done eventually
tr0picana said:
Thanks for the in-depth response! I was hoping that since OS X has been working on existing Atom netbooks it wouldn't be difficult to add support for Bay Trail. Here's to hoping it's done eventually
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matter of SoC support on os x drivers, and hacking other stuff to make things work. remember, not all existing Atom netbooks work on OS X
mymacnetbook.com/compatibility-chart
also, Intel (or OEM) hasn't officially released any Bay Trail android devices yet (only PoC or testing devices going out). The newly announced dell android tablets (Dell Venue 7/8) run on Clover Trail atoms
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How bout this it has its own patched kernel that works with atom processors.
www . macbreaker . com /2013/ 04/ install -mountain -lion -hackintosh -niresh . html
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How bout this it has its own patched kernel that works with atom processors.
www . macbreaker . com /2013/ 04/ install -mountain -lion -hackintosh -niresh . html
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did you try?
I'm trying the exact same thing - to emulate Mac OS X on my Asus T100 using virtualbox.
So far no luck. I've installed Atkos ML but it doesn't boot after install just stays on a blank grey screen with the Atkos apple logo. In verbose I see its because of a missing DSDT thingy, have no idea what I'm doing but from a quick Google there should be a way around this so will play around more till the next error. (Attached a screen pic)
Couldn't get Niresh's or a few others working either but would love to hear what success others have had even with attempting dual booting.
This would be an awesome development for an awesome device if someone can get Mac to run on it :good:
Thanks to @Heathcliff74 and co. for WPinternals, without that, this wouldn't have been possible!
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After patching signature checks out of winload, and adding the halexts and registry entries for those, I had to patch 1 byte in the kernel, without which a SECURITY_SYSTEM bugcheck happens during boot.
I haven't fully added any drivers yet, other than the halexts, i'll be doing that soon. So right now touchscreen doesn't work etc.
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Awesome work! These efforts are the reason I created my tool! I'm sure more of these cool hacks will follow.
are you write instruction on installed lumia devices, after 100% work build?
reksden said:
are you write instruction on installed lumia devices, after 100% work build?
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different lumias use different driver sets.
I will probably try to get some drivers working in this WinPE then nothing more, this was a proof of concept. I have a DragonBoard 410c that I aim to use for WoA experimentation when i get a power supply for it, so...
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different lumias use different driver sets.
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Drivers on lumias:
PLAT.bin\Windows\Packages\DsmFiles\
EFIESP.bin\Windows\Packages\DsmFiles\
MainOS.bin\Windows\System32\DRIVERS\
Touch working?
Are you will add mass storage on lumia(Huawei w1 have uefi with mass storage)?
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Drivers on lumias:
PLAT.bin\Windows\Packages\DsmFiles\
EFIESP.bin\Windows\Packages\DsmFiles\
MainOS.bin\Windows\System32\DRIVERS\
Touch working?
Are you will add mass storage on lumia(Huawei w1 have uefi with mass storage)?
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I know where to get drivers.
WOW!
I never thought I would see this on such a low-end device first! Well lets hope we can get this to work on a Lumia 822...
rcunningham said:
I never thought I would see this on such a low-end device first! Well lets hope we can get this to work on a Lumia 822...
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I don't think the 822 is supported by WPInternals in first place
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I'm sure more of these cool hacks will follow.
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I wonder if it's only possible to install Windows related code with your tool or maybe linux based OSes (Android?)
This is funny and interesting, but almost useless.
AndroidXsK said:
I don't think the 822 is supported by WPInternals in first place
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It's not... I will try it though
sensboston said:
This is funny and interesting, but almost useless.
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How is this funny?
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Wack0Distractor said:
Thanks to @Heathcliff74 and co. for WPinternals, without that, this wouldn't have been possible!
After patching signature checks out of winload, and adding the halexts and registry entries for those, I had to patch 1 byte in the kernel, without which a SECURITY_SYSTEM bugcheck happens during boot.
I haven't fully added any drivers yet, other than the halexts, i'll be doing that soon. So right now touchscreen doesn't work etc.
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I would love to see this on my Lumia 625. Good work
Progress, if you could call it that. This is from when I was trying to find out what the drive mappings were so I could dump stuff out to Data partition. Turns out most of the drivers show up fine...but not touch for some strange reason!
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Progress, if you could call it that. This is from when I was trying to find out what the drive mappings were so I could dump stuff out to Data partition. Turns out most of the drivers show up fine...but not touch for some strange reason!
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Awesome work!!!
Can you check on dump partition if the driver really exist?
Great work
Side note:I want windows rt on the Lumia 1520
mokokawi said:
Great work
Side note:I want windows rt on the Lumia 1520
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I want windows rt on my lumia too, but just for fun. Windows 10 mobile is better.
What I really want on my lumia is Android
Yeah ! Very nice project ! I keep my fingers crossed for you
I tried run RT on my Huawei W1 . It was in 07.10.2014
I'm curious (and a bit of a noob, I haven't touched custom WinPhone ROMs since the 6.5 days on a diamond 2) but do you guys think it'd be possible to grab a working version of IE (metro and / or desktop version) from a win RT tablet, and inject it into a WinPhone custom ROM like we did with cab files in 6.5? Or even go a step further and get full desktop versions of File Explorer, Task Manager, hell even Office running on a phone device using this tool? This would kinda be huge for me, at least until phones start shipping with a x86 CPU that we can do this stuff more easily.
Massive kudos to you dude!
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I'm curious (and a bit of a noob, I haven't touched custom WinPhone ROMs since the 6.5 days on a diamond 2) but do you guys think it'd be possible to grab a working version of IE (metro and / or desktop version) from a win RT tablet, and inject it into a WinPhone custom ROM like we did with cab files in 6.5? Or even go a step further and get full desktop versions of File Explorer, Task Manager, hell even Office running on a phone device using this tool? This would kinda be huge for me, at least until phones start shipping with a x86 CPU that we can do this stuff more easily.
Massive kudos to you dude!
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I'm not expert on Windows RT/Mobile/Phone, but I'd say that there is too much missing in Windows Phone to be able to do that. It doesn't have Win32 AFAIK.
Of course, prove me wrong please.