Do you think is it possible to have this Windows 8/Android integration:
http://www.engadget.com/video/viddler/ac514577/
on Surface Pro? I think it's a sort of Bluestacks modded by Samsung, it's not a dual boot system.
It would be fantastic (at least for me)
That looks pretty cool. ..it would be great if it was more reliable than bluestacks, that way I could reliably run epocrates and pleco.
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Actually it is supposedly running android natively according to Samsung. no idea how they are achieving that, my guess is that they got android to play nicely with Hyper-V or something and it does a full screen virtualisation (which with hyperV + haswell will still perform like a high end android tablet). Not a conventional dual boot though.
If there was some definate information about how it was done then it may well work on the surface pro too.
I think there's no virtual machine..
Seeing the amazing performace, I suppose it can be a sort of chroot executed under windows.
The presence of a kernel that supports the Core processors in Android, makes me think that no hardware is virtualized and that the instruction are executed natively in a protected area as it happens with chroot.
It wuold be awsome having the possibility to install all this on every pc in the world.
The best of the two worlds 8Q__
I'm not sure you understand how chroot works... or how operating systems in general do, actually. Android is built on top of the Linux kernel. Leaving aside the fact that Windows doesn't support chroot, chroot still requires a compatible kernel to handle system calls. Win32 system calls are different from the POSIX system calls that Linux uses. NT does have a POSIX subsystem, but it's not fully compatible with Linux (and isn't binary-compatible at all; programs need to be recompiled to run under it) and isn't included with any version of Win8 except Enterprise anyhow.
It's either a pure Dalvik runtime on x86 - which could exist, but would only execute programs that were purely Dalvik code and didn't use the native dev kit at all - or it's an Android VM of some sort (note: virtualization doesn't mean the performance is bad. You're confusing it with emulation). It's vaguely possible it runs on NT through some compatibility layer like Cygwin (except that requires recompiling) or LBW (which requires the aforementioned POSIX subsystem), but I doubt it. Android in Hyper-V seems by far the most likely to me.
It certainly has the hardware to support Hyper-V and if I were samsung that would be the route I would go down for 100% android compatibility.
This device seems far better to me than the asus transformer trio or whatever it was called. The asus device was just horribly disjointed, this seems closer to true android/windows 8 intercompatibility.
Maybe its like a backwards wine? e.g. run the linux system calls under windows? or maybe e.g. like colinux?
donbowman said:
Maybe its like a backwards wine? e.g. run the linux system calls under windows? or maybe e.g. like colinux?
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I don't believe that colinux has any x64 support, and it would require some rather significant reworking of Android's display layer.
@donbowman: The closest thing I know of to "backwards wine" is LBW, Linux Binaries on Windows. It's a very hacked-together and incomplete project which appears to now be abandoned, although I've considered working it myself from time to time. It requires the POSIX subsystem, which Microsoft has shown very little interest in continuing to support.
Any chance of an ARM chip in there?
yohojones said:
Any chance of an ARM chip in there?
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I haven't looked at the hardware at all but I seriously doubt it. It's far easier and cheaper to either emulate an ARM CPU on the x64 chip or just use Androidx86 or another similar distro.
I think they said in the unveil that it is running on the haswell.
Intel offer a variant of android to device manufacturers seperate from Android-IA. So far its only been available on clovertrail but it may well have been modified to run on haswell (and HyperV or something). But it includes a wrapper for the NDK which runs native code inside an ARM emulator, yet if an app has an x86 NDK binary is still capable of running that in x86 mode. Would make including an ARM core irrelevant.
Must say, loving the look of the Q. When its out perhaps someone will be able to take a closer look at how android is actually running (and it may well be a port of dalvik rather than emulating or virtualising android or a Linux compatibility layer, my bet is on virtualisation). Then chances are it will be able to be ported or duplicated on the pro.
This is definitely possible. Go check out this website.
Update: YMMV, but android-ia did not work properly for me. The touch screen didn't work, nor did wifi or bluetooth. ALSO, when I booted back into windows, auto rotation no longer works and in the charms menu (slide from right side of screen) I see "brightness" instead of "screen" and the icon changed from that of a screen to a sun (Surface Pro). So I would not recommend trying this. Maybe I did something wrong, but still.
Kraize said:
Update: YMMV, but android-ia did not work properly for me. The touch screen didn't work, nor did wifi or bluetooth. ALSO, when I booted back into windows, auto rotation no longer works and in the charms menu (slide from right side of screen) I see "brightness" instead of "screen" and the icon changed from that of a screen to a sun (Surface Pro). So I would not recommend trying this. Maybe I did something wrong, but still.
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its always said brightness.....
Android IA does not have a surface pro image so has no drivers for its touch or WiFi, that much is obvious.
Also for it to effect your windows partition you have done something wrong yourself, android cant do that to your windows partition.
SixSixSevenSeven said:
its always said brightness.....
Android IA does not have a surface pro image so has no drivers for its touch or WiFi, that much is obvious.
Also for it to effect your windows partition you have done something wrong yourself, android cant do that to your windows partition.
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Uhm, I don't know about you, but mine always showed a "screen" icon, not a brightness icon.
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Uhm, I don't know about you, but mine always showed a "screen" icon, not a brightness icon.
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I dont own a touch device but on my desktop its a brightness slider (greyed out though)
Subscribed. It would indeed be awesome to have Ativ Q Android VM ported to Surface Pro. Anyone had luck with Android-IA?
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Shame it's not for Pocket PC's though.
No. But I am guessing it might be good for devices like HTC Shift which can run XP/vista
It looks beautiful, wish we could run it on our devices. I've never wanted an OS on my phone as bad as I want this
aksd said:
It looks beautiful, wish we could run it on our devices. I've never wanted an OS on my phone as bad as I want this
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Agreed.
Not being a developer myself, I'm not sure if it's possible to port this or tweak it to be compatible with our devices. Can someone shed some light on this subject for us?
This is definiteley something i want more bad than a private moment with Pamela Anderson
troyk said:
This is definiteley something i want more bad than a private moment with Pamela Anderson
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Well, ANYthing is preferable than a bad case of genital herpes...
It's probably not too hard to port, given that it's a Linux distro. I'd be willing to bet it could be trimmed down, have all the unnecessary (or too-large) stuff removed.
And for particular devices, you could search for the open-source Android repository for the device's chipset, which contains the low-level hardware routines and references..
Just copy/port over the low-level routines into the Ubuntu implementation, recompile, and voilà! The only limitations I can think of would be A) not enough memory available to do all the cool UI stuff, and B) some hardware routines missing/not yet implemented from the Android repository, or even just a general lack of hardware documentation..
I'm tempted to try messing with it myself, if I can figure out how to emulate the firmware image on my computer.
-W5i2
Well, Ubuntu MID is developed for ARM processors. I have iPaq 2490 which is based on this processor, and considering that CF 8GB cards are no luxury today... this actually might be possible to pull
Android is based on the Linux kernel, so yes Linux *can* run on our phones. It's a case of getting it to all work first, and THEN start adding the bells and whistles.
I've used Ubuntu on my desktops before now, so this caught my attention. I'll have a read into it later tonight.
Well I've got a intel atom based mobo which I'm eventually going to stuff into some car. I've already looked at it, and for such an early release it was pretty good. I couldn't get the clutter UI to work at all though which was kind of a bummer; I guess I'll give it another try in a few days.
Have someone try to port ubuntu mobile on any phone?
Great work man .......
ipaq 2490
MeanEYE said:
Well, Ubuntu MID is developed for ARM processors. I have iPaq 2490 which is based on this processor, and considering that CF 8GB cards are no luxury today... this actually might be possible to pull
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Any luck porting Ubuntu Mobile to your ipaq 2490?
weasel5i2 said:
It's probably not too hard to port, given that it's a Linux distro. I'd be willing to bet it could be trimmed down, have all the unnecessary (or too-large) stuff removed.
And for particular devices, you could search for the open-source Android repository for the device's chipset, which contains the low-level hardware routines and references..
Just copy/port over the low-level routines into the Ubuntu implementation, recompile, and voilà! The only limitations I can think of would be A) not enough memory available to do all the cool UI stuff, and B) some hardware routines missing/not yet implemented from the Android repository, or even just a general lack of hardware documentation..
I'm tempted to try messing with it myself, if I can figure out how to emulate the firmware image on my computer.
-W5i2
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Respect For still Having A G1
Wanted to know if theirs a way or if somone has already done this.Connect a Monitor, mouse and keyboard to their phones somehow and use phone as a portable pc. would be cool. maybe possible with right drivers? maybe bluetooth mouse/keyboard.
Not that I've ever heard of... I've heard of people getting various linux distros going but not so much on the using it as a mini pc
If you have a PC, use PhoneMyPC. Works perfect and can use multiple PCs.
If you don't have a PC, use "Always On PC."
Edit: Just re-read your post. I don't think there's a way.. I did see a commercial for a phone that plugs into a laptop "dock" though that seemed to be a lot like what you're looking for. Can't remember what its called though.
Linux would be a running as a PC. It is a fully functional OS.
Not you fat Jesus
00negative said:
Linux would be a running as a PC. It is a fully functional OS.
Not you fat Jesus
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I meant to satisfy the OP's desire to use external mouse/keyboard. I haven't seen that, have you?
It already is a computer (and I would consider it a personal computer with a few limitations such as not having the processing power and harder to port software). You can ssh into it all you want and use any shell you want, though have fun compiling from the source for things or finding precompiled ARM binaries that work on android. There's tutorials out there about how to install ARM linux distros like debian on android as well as x-windows so you can have a pretty GUI desktop, but you will lose the functionality of it being a phone while it's running instead of android os.
If you are want to dock it and make it into like a laptop, i suggest you go for the ATRIX. I believe thats the only phone available in the market.
However the dock is gonna cost you the same if not more than the phone off plan.
thanks for replies. was just wonderin if i could. had extra monitor, keyboad and mouse laying around and just wanted to know if i could do it just incase somone was on my pc and i needed a quick backup or somthing to mess with. thanks yall.
MisterDonut said:
If you are want to dock it and make it into like a laptop, i suggest you go for the ATRIX. I believe thats the only phone available in the market.
However the dock is gonna cost you the same if not more than the phone off plan.
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atrix is just a hack though. it runs a version of ubuntu stored on the phone dock (not even on the phone itself). At that point you might as well just buy a cheap eepc netbook for 200 or so dollars.
techspecs said:
I meant to satisfy the OP's desire to use external mouse/keyboard. I haven't seen that, have you?
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Ah I see what you mean, don't think I have but don't see why it wouldn't be possible if someone really had a desire to try and know how to make it happen.
But have seen Ubuntu run an on screen keyboard on a tablet.
Don't think it would be real user friendly to use keyboard and mouse on such a small screen though
Not you fat Jesus
I wish it was, but I don't think it is possible. I wanted to turn a LED projector to a a HUD display so I could watch football games on the HUD in my car. Or use it to browse the internet. But for that to happen we would need some kind of mirror display, or so I understand, and given that we don't have hdmi, I don't think it is possible. Maybe our awesome devs can come up with something for us though. (or atleast one could hope.)
Just a followup, if the OP really wants to, you can dual boot into debian on your phone and run xwindows with a couple various GUIs (such as XDE, which is pretty similar to gnome). After that, you can ssh (via wifi) into it and use a vncserver (over the ssh connection) installed on the phone to remotely connect to xwindows and see it on a monitor. When you want to use your phone as a phone again, you just reboot back into android as you would boot from linux to windows on your pc.
Debian maintains all the packages available for x86 on ARM so you'll find plenty of stuff without having to compile.
For those that don't know ubuntu is basically debian with a few extra packages and generally newer packages. Same filesystem, etc. Debian has been maintaining one of the oldest distributions of linux for ARM so I recommend it for that for the amount of documentation you'll find.
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http://www.androidfanatic.com/community-forums.html?func=view&catid=9&id=2248
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/03/msg01555.html
http://lanrat.com/android/debian
http://inportb.com/2010/10/17/debian-packages-on-android-phones/
http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Android
Whenever I trade in my phone for something new, I plan on sticking ARM debian on it and remove android to make it a nice little mobile linux server via the wifi built into it doing the methods listed above.
I think there are two types of approaches to this:
Video Out/HDMI
and
USB Display Adapter
Video Out/HDMI (requires HDMI and CM6/7):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1038840
w/ video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbm0JhGVxCA
USB Display Adapter with USB host/OTG support:
http://sven.killig.de/android/N1/2.2/usb_host/
w/ video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-bLOc1qnMM
The Thunderbolt does not have HDMI out (nor will it ever) OR USB/OTG mode (yet).
The prospects are daunting. I think CM will get on board with desktop support at some point, but it won't include phones that lack HDMI out.
I think there is a lack of enthusiasm for this type of feature too. Just my opinion. I wish there was more enthusiasm, because I really feel desktop support is the future of smart phones.
I wish Google would dump Chrome OS and push desktop support in the next version of Android and make certain all hardware supports OTG and HDMI simultaneously. GS2 fails in that department since the HDMI port and USB share the same port (MHL).
I just bought a netbook with the following specs:
Brand
SYLVANIA
Model
SYNET7WIC
OS Provided
Windows Embedded Compact 7
CPU Speed
800MHz
Screen Size
7"
Widescreen Display
Yes
Max Resolution
800 x 480
Display Feature
TFT
Memory
512MB
SSD
2GB flash
WLAN
802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN
USB
3 x USB 2.0
Audio Ports
1 x Microphone jack; 1 x Headphone jack
Card Reader
SD card slot (up to 32GB)
I came across it when I was bored one day and figured I'd give it a try. For 52 bucks, how could I resist? At the least, I would be able to use this to search the internet when my tablet is dead. When it came to my door, I wasn't horribly shocked that the operating system, Windows CE, slowed it down very much. Now I'm looking to can CE and replace it with Android. I've seen videos online of people running Android on similar (if not, the complete same device) netbooks and running extremely well.
The only thing is, I'm not sure where to begin. I can't seem to dig up many tutorials on how to do this. I did find a few guides but they instruct me to boot from USB, which is something that isn't possible. I think I can boot from an SD Card, but I still need to know how to go about this.
If anybody has any tips of a link to a guide that can help me out on this it would be very appreciated. I was directed here by someone from After Dawn. Hopefully you guys here can help me out.
You should be able to boot from SD if you set the BIOS to Boot the SD first. But I too would like to know how to actually run a nice ICS ROM on my netbook. Currently I use Linux Jolicloud 1.2 which gets you online and all but its so limited and has very little support or backing, but it does run on nearly any netbook without need patches or anything like you would need with hackintosh or anything like that. Hopefully you find out so I can too haha.
Cheers
d0ppler302 said:
You should be able to boot from SD if you set the BIOS to Boot the SD first. But I too would like to know how to actually run a nice ICS ROM on my netbook. Currently I use Linux Jolicloud 1.2 which gets you online and all but its so limited and has very little support or backing, but it does run on nearly any netbook without need patches or anything like you would need with hackintosh or anything like that. Hopefully you find out so I can too haha.
Cheers
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This is my problem. I have no idea how to get into the bios, if it's possible at all.
I'd go with linux
I don't think Android is the right system for a netbook (especially one without a touch screen). I'd probably install chrome os or a some other stripped down linux distro. That way you could have full office capabilities on it.
cstring said:
I don't think Android is the right system for a netbook (especially one without a touch screen). I'd probably install chrome os or a some other stripped down linux distro. That way you could have full office capabilities on it.
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I'd settle for pretty much anything except Windows CE. A horrible little OS. I've seen videos on Youtube of this exact netbook of mine running other operating systems and way faster without CE. I just need to figure out how they did it...
I thought this place was filled with a bunch of smart people? Come on guys, I need some help here.
little late but,
Chakan923 said:
I just bought a netbook with the following specs:
Brand
SYLVANIA
Model
SYNET7WIC
OS Provided
Windows Embedded Compact 7
CPU Speed
800MHz
Screen Size
7"
Widescreen Display
Yes
Max Resolution
800 x 480
Display Feature
TFT
Memory
512MB
SSD
2GB flash
WLAN
802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN
USB
3 x USB 2.0
Audio Ports
1 x Microphone jack; 1 x Headphone jack
Card Reader
SD card slot (up to 32GB)
I came across it when I was bored one day and figured I'd give it a try. For 52 bucks, how could I resist? At the least, I would be able to use this to search the internet when my tablet is dead. When it came to my door, I wasn't horribly shocked that the operating system, Windows CE, slowed it down very much. Now I'm looking to can CE and replace it with Android. I've seen videos online of people running Android on similar (if not, the complete same device) netbooks and running extremely well.
The only thing is, I'm not sure where to begin. I can't seem to dig up many tutorials on how to do this. I did find a few guides but they instruct me to boot from USB, which is something that isn't possible. I think I can boot from an SD Card, but I still need to know how to go about this.
If anybody has any tips of a link to a guide that can help me out on this it would be very appreciated. I was directed here by someone from After Dawn. Hopefully you guys here can help me out.
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dunno if you've figured it out yet, but you need uberoid, use option 64 you can find it at techknow forums
Android 2.2
BTW the Android 2.2 ROM from Craig CLP281 works without modification on this one. (http://www.craigelectronics.com/site/pdetails.php?id=314) Ran the update, all the drivers (sound+wifi) work. Can post the video if anyone likes
I just picked one up on ebay for 15 bucks. I would like to run android how did you get it running?
I have Android running on my PC.
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Link to Android 4.3 ISO - http://www.android-x86.org/download
http://www.howtogeek.com/164570/how-to-install-android-in-virtualbox/
I would also recommend Lubuntu as a very light Linux OS.
you can try Android-x86 I have put in on both my laptop and netbook to test it out..worked well for me.
Android for a netbook I dont hink its good
sylvania 8650 android
BTW the Android 2.2 ROM from Craig CLP281 works without modification on this one. Ran the update, all the drivers (sound+wifi) work. Can post the video if anyone likes.
Absolutely correct, Android works fine on my SYNET7WIC computer. Just follow the installation instructions given, which are super simple. I did use 7-zip to unpack the .RAR file. Note the link to the Craig site (just Google Craig notebooks) had to be deleted from this newbie post.
Hi everyone!
There's a thread on getting Ubuntu running on the Asus T100 so I was wondering if it's possible to get OS X working as well.
tr0picana said:
Hi everyone!
There's a thread on getting Ubuntu running on the Asus T100 so I was wondering if it's possible to get OS X working as well.
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It comes down to driver support. There isn't currently any BayTrail OSX devices currently so there isn't any support/drivers for the hardware/chip. This means that in order to get OSX running they would have to force driver creation, find documentation or hack something together. While it does share similiar bases with linux it isn't just that. Without proper driver support if it ever did run it would be slow.
Now as for ubuntu running you think hey you mentioned linux. Ubuntu is linux and they are making headway well why wouldn't it be the same. Well ubuntu is purely linux pretty much with a few changes here and there. But android shares a similar bases with the ubuntu linux counterpart... Plus the chip (BayTrail) was made to support android aswell which means it would be easier to make and eventually there will be a official android tablet with official baytrail counterpart. Now once that happens they can take apart those drivers possibly to help get linux support for them. Also linux and android are well documented and mostly open. There is more understanding of the makings and inner working of both android and linux Systems, both low level and high level code work.
It will be far easier to get a linux base like ubuntu running that it will OSX at the moment. OSX just doesn't have as much coding developers that can just throw code in. Not everything in OSX is open source. While Linux uses a lot of OPEN source and GPL code. This means people will have a better time with it
Another important factor is if intel releases the documentation that the develoers need to be able to get proper device support and reasonable speed.
Well it comes down to whether they can get drivers or working subsitute to work on that systems and on the chip. While you may be able to install OSX on a intel device it does not mean that it is supported off the bat which could lead to non booting, unable to install, high level emulation needed to run basic things, bootloops..etc... the error can go on.
Linux will have the same issues but with the more open support and more of the developers who can code and understand what they are doing ubuntu will come before OSX by far.
You would need people who are dedicated to the OSX platform to try,... Now if Apple released a BayTrail product then if the drivers are posted under GPL or public then developers could get it working on this device easier as well.
Linux in general has a far larger support base than what a lot of people think.
cmsjr123 said:
It comes down to driver support. There isn't currently any BayTrail OSX devices currently so there isn't any support/drivers for the hardware/chip. This means that in order to get OSX running they would have to force driver creation, find documentation or hack something together. While it does share similiar bases with linux it isn't just that. Without proper driver support if it ever did run it would be slow.
Now as for ubuntu running you think hey you mentioned linux. Ubuntu is linux and they are making headway well why wouldn't it be the same. Well ubuntu is purely linux pretty much with a few changes here and there. But android shares a similar bases with the ubuntu linux counterpart... Plus the chip (BayTrail) was made to support android aswell which means it would be easier to make and eventually there will be a official android tablet with official baytrail counterpart. Now once that happens they can take apart those drivers possibly to help get linux support for them. Also linux and android are well documented and mostly open. There is more understanding of the makings and inner working of both android and linux Systems, both low level and high level code work.
It will be far easier to get a linux base like ubuntu running that it will OSX at the moment. OSX just doesn't have as much coding developers that can just throw code in. Not everything in OSX is open source. While Linux uses a lot of OPEN source and GPL code. This means people will have a better time with it
Another important factor is if intel releases the documentation that the develoers need to be able to get proper device support and reasonable speed.
Well it comes down to whether they can get drivers or working subsitute to work on that systems and on the chip. While you may be able to install OSX on a intel device it does not mean that it is supported off the bat which could lead to non booting, unable to install, high level emulation needed to run basic things, bootloops..etc... the error can go on.
Linux will have the same issues but with the more open support and more of the developers who can code and understand what they are doing ubuntu will come before OSX by far.
You would need people who are dedicated to the OSX platform to try,... Now if Apple released a BayTrail product then if the drivers are posted under GPL or public then developers could get it working on this device easier as well.
Linux in general has a far larger support base than what a lot of people think.
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Thanks for the in-depth response! I was hoping that since OS X has been working on existing Atom netbooks it wouldn't be difficult to add support for Bay Trail. Here's to hoping it's done eventually
tr0picana said:
Thanks for the in-depth response! I was hoping that since OS X has been working on existing Atom netbooks it wouldn't be difficult to add support for Bay Trail. Here's to hoping it's done eventually
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matter of SoC support on os x drivers, and hacking other stuff to make things work. remember, not all existing Atom netbooks work on OS X
mymacnetbook.com/compatibility-chart
also, Intel (or OEM) hasn't officially released any Bay Trail android devices yet (only PoC or testing devices going out). The newly announced dell android tablets (Dell Venue 7/8) run on Clover Trail atoms
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How bout this it has its own patched kernel that works with atom processors.
www . macbreaker . com /2013/ 04/ install -mountain -lion -hackintosh -niresh . html
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ThatTechDude said:
How bout this it has its own patched kernel that works with atom processors.
www . macbreaker . com /2013/ 04/ install -mountain -lion -hackintosh -niresh . html
^ remove spaces to access webpage.
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did you try?
I'm trying the exact same thing - to emulate Mac OS X on my Asus T100 using virtualbox.
So far no luck. I've installed Atkos ML but it doesn't boot after install just stays on a blank grey screen with the Atkos apple logo. In verbose I see its because of a missing DSDT thingy, have no idea what I'm doing but from a quick Google there should be a way around this so will play around more till the next error. (Attached a screen pic)
Couldn't get Niresh's or a few others working either but would love to hear what success others have had even with attempting dual booting.
This would be an awesome development for an awesome device if someone can get Mac to run on it :good:
Is there any information about the S8 being about to run Win10 with Dax? I know its a long shot, but i'm DYING for this feature http://www.pcworld.com/article/3154...a-new-start-with-qualcomm-snapdragon-835.html.
Not sure about through Dax, but read somewhere about Microsoft storefronts eventually offering s8/s8+ running Windows 10. Only available in their stores; not online, and needed be installed and activated while one waits.
Maybe dual boot?
I stand corrected. It will be called the Microsoft Edition, but will only be loaded with Windows apps not W10
gotta wait. I am hoping that with root we will be able to boot up windows or even linux through the Dex platform.
bluetoothless said:
Not sure about through Dax, but read somewhere about Microsoft storefronts eventually offering s8/s8+ running Windows 10. Only available in their stores; not online, and needed be installed and activated while one waits.
Maybe dual boot?
I stand corrected. It will be called the Microsoft Edition, but will only be loaded with Windows apps not W10
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Thats the mobile apps. The 835 actually has the ability to emulate x86 code and run native desktop apps.
Zeal415 said:
gotta wait. I am hoping that with root we will be able to boot up windows or even linux through the Dex platform.
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I'm hoping for a system like chroot but for windows. Probably wont happen. As long as you can run android apps through Dex you should be able to get linux
Windows 7 for life.
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I'm hoping for a system like chroot but for windows. Probably wont happen. As long as you can run android apps through Dex you should be able to get linux
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What it looked like to me is that your actually opening up a remote desktop version of windows through Dex, atleast thats the way it sounded like with the wording. At first I thought it was a virtual PC in there which could theoretically be possible. So im not sure if we are packing a full OS in there or not, but it would be pretty bad ass to have a app to open up and boom you got what ever version of what ever OS you want running. I have a few uses for that already.
I am thinking personally if I have a KBM switch with a Dex station, I could theoretically remotely connect to my Linux server at home and manage my cloud and plex server through my phone. Then I could Also remotely access my work laptop and VPN with a Dex station in my van, and have a nice monitor mount with a keyboard and mouse there. Would be super sweet, or maybe I continue to access Linux through my desktop, but I can instead access Linux server remotely in case anything goes wrong while I am away.
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What it looked like to me is that your actually opening up a remote desktop version of windows through Dex, atleast thats the way it sounded like with the wording. At first I thought it was a virtual PC in there which could theoretically be possible. So im not sure if we are packing a full OS in there or not, but it would be pretty bad ass to have a app to open up and boom you got what ever version of what ever OS you want running. I have a few uses for that already.
I am thinking personally if I have a KBM switch with a Dex station, I could theoretically remotely connect to my Linux server at home and manage my cloud and plex server through my phone. Then I could Also remotely access my work laptop and VPN with a Dex station in my van, and have a nice monitor mount with a keyboard and mouse there. Would be super sweet, or maybe I continue to access Linux through my desktop, but I can instead access Linux server remotely in case anything goes wrong while I am away.
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Dex is its own thing. You can run android apps in tablet mode on it or dex specific apps. You can already loadup chroot (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ru.meefik.linuxdeploy&hl=en) with your distro of choice (arm) and ssh into your linux server. Of course if you want it just from remote administrator, you can just download an android SSH (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.sonelli.juicessh&hl=en) or VNC (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.realvnc.viewer.android&hl=en) (GUI) program and remote into your server. Alternatively, you can use webmin (http://www.webmin.com/) for a webbased SSH client hosted on your server, that way you can navigate to your webmin install with any web browser.
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Dex is its own thing. You can run android apps in tablet mode on it or dex specific apps. You can already loadup chroot with your distro of choice (arm) and ssh into your linux server. Of course if you want it just from remote administrator, you can just download an android SSH or VNC (GUI) program and remote into your server. Alternatively, you can use webmin for a webbased SSH client hosted on your server, that way you can navigate to your webmin install with any web browser.
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I am gonna have to look into it, I am awaiting the parts to come into build it, I was considering doing the VNC through my desktop, gotta build the server. I am a novice when it comes to Linux, played with it, but never really had a use for it untill now.
As far as I could see Dex seems to be literally just a dock that puts a fan on your phone and enables you to plug in a HDMI cable, a Lan cable, and 2 usb cables to it, while chargin your phone, so the only limitation we should have is if the app does not like to be blown up or used with a mouse and keyboard, + what ever samsung/android limitations are on it.