I didn't see a thread relating.
so my dilemma is i bought a galaxy tab 2 10.1 3g version off eBay unknowing it had the china rom installed... most of the Google apps arn't there and kies doesn't work.
i saw this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1686514
and was wondering if i can just do the first steps of istalling the ROM without having to root it as i dont want to void the warranty. and also is this ROM the international ROM??? many thanks in advance.
yes you can just do the first step without proceed to flashing custom recovery and rooting
however, you should know that firmware flashing via Odin will result to flash binary counter increased, so technically your device will lose warranty as well...
I doubt Samsung will honor your warranty
I have an american purchased p3113 and was informed by their online support for warranty it can only be honored if picked up from an address in the country of purchase. You could log in to the samsung support site to verify your warranty situation if it concerns you.
why's it void my warranty
baliriot said:
yes you can just do the first step without proceed to flashing custom recovery and rooting
however, you should know that firmware flashing via Odin will result to flash binary counter increased, so technically your device will lose warranty as well...
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thats good to know... but what does
flashing via Odin will result to flash binary counter increased
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mean. why does it void my warranty.
noah93 said:
thats good to know... but what does mean. why does it void my warranty.
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flash binary counter is what samsung use as mechanism to detect flashing firmwares without using official tools provided by samsung ota or via samsung kies... also as their alibi not to be held responsible if consumer modified/upgrading without official tools...
ok, here's a good thing, i've heard & read from users experience in forums, blogs & my own friends have their samsung devices sent to back to samsung centers & got their warranty claims granted even with rooted or flash binary counter increased... more about luck i guess... :fingers-crossed:
im guessing theres no way around it? thats definately lucky, probably comes down to if its hardware problem or program problem to whether or not they need to check it.
as for now for our device, i can only say there is no other way
Thats the worst
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Rooted my S5 (took several tries to root and get CWM recovery). Tried MOAR ROM but didn't like it so flashed back to my nandroid backup of rooted stock ROM. My Knox counter now reads 0x1(4). I understand warranty is voided, but I bought the phone on Ebay, so probably no warranty anyway.
Does 0x1(4) mean Knox has seen 4 flashes? does this matter?
Is there a Knox limit to number of times phone can be flashed?
Other than voided warranty, any other issues now that Knox is tripped, or can I keep flashing ROM's till I find one I like?
How much trouble can I get into doing this, or will I always be able to use CWM recovery to recover my initial backup?
Thanks, and apologies if these have been asked.
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Rooted my S5 (took several tries to root and get CWM recovery). Tried MOAR ROM but didn't like it so flashed back to my nandroid backup of rooted stock ROM. My Knox counter now reads 0x1(4). I understand warranty is voided, but I bought the phone on Ebay, so probably no warranty anyway.
Does 0x1(4) mean Knox has seen 4 flashes? does this matter?
Is there a Knox limit to number of times phone can be flashed?
Other than voided warranty, any other issues now that Knox is tripped, or can I keep flashing ROM's till I find one I like?
How much trouble can I get into doing this, or will I always be able to use CWM recovery to recover my initial backup?
Thanks, and apologies if these have been asked.
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To my knowledge the knox flag is just letting a repair service provider know that your warranty is void. the number next to it is a flash counter, flash away to your hearts content you will not damage your phone flashing unless you really try. You cant get into any trouble.
If I'm not mistaken, hasn't a knox reset been solved on other phones? Is it just a matter of time before someone finds the solution for S5?
I wish I could pass on to EVERYONE at once about Knox...
I bought a Sprint S5 at Best Buy. I also bought Best Buy's insurance, but kept the Assurion insurance just in case.
Already had to bring the phone to Best Buy(Geek Squad looked at it) because of a GPS issue. I have MOAR Rom on it, Rooted/Lucky Patched/Busyboxed, Custom recovery....the works. The Geek squad guy chuckled, asked what my XDA screen name was, and mentioned that since he got a S4, many guys had wondered where Rompnit(MOAR's dev) had gone to. The S3 days were awesome for all.
Best Buy doesn't care about Knox......and Assurion REALLY doesn't care about Knox.
Hello Community!!
I have owned many androids over the years, and have recently got an S6, hoping to dive back into the game of rooting, modding and messing around until my phones works the way i want it to. There are MANY things that really Piss me off about my T-MObile variant of the S6, including the horrible battery life, bloatware, and lack of personality. I Really would love to root my device, but KNOX. OMG what is this?! If i Root, no Samsung pay? What other downsides are there to rooting? But recently, my phone installed "ANdroid Pay" SO I am thinking, I should just root, forget Samsung pay and just use Google pay or whatever they call it.
As you guys can tell from my sig, I have been very inactive on these forums. I am hoping someone can give me some advice here---
Thanks So much
EMilio
beforedenied said:
Hello Community!!
I have owned many androids over the years, and have recently got an S6, hoping to dive back into the game of rooting, modding and messing around until my phones works the way i want it to. There are MANY things that really Piss me off about my T-MObile variant of the S6, including the horrible battery life, bloatware, and lack of personality. I Really would love to root my device, but KNOX. OMG what is this?! If i Root, no Samsung pay? What other downsides are there to rooting? But recently, my phone installed "ANdroid Pay" SO I am thinking, I should just root, forget Samsung pay and just use Google pay or whatever they call it.
As you guys can tell from my sig, I have been very inactive on these forums. I am hoping someone can give me some advice here---
Thanks So much
EMilio
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There are pros and cons to root.
The first pro is limitless customizations and personalizations.
The first con is OTA updates get disabled.
Another pro is you are able to dramatically improve battery and overall performance using various apps.
Another con is your warranty will be void, assuming you tripped KNOX.
If you trip KNOX, Samsung Pay no longer works; if you have root (even without touching KNOX) Android Pay does not work.
I obtained root just to prove to myself it could be done.
Since then there have been dramatic improvements with speed and battery life.
Package Disabler Pro can freeze a lot of the bloatware without root: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ospolice.packagedisablerpro&hl=en
Hi,
It's a highly personal decision. I myself for the first time am holding on rooting - I was the one who made the most famous Xoom rooting tool and also S4 Linux Root Script, so that tells a lot. The thing is, meanwhile my device is satisfying my needs, and I'm really curious about Samsung Pay, as it has a way wider support than Android Pay and other systems.
The best thing about rooting in my opinion was the endless system customization - specially after Xposed was released. The way better data management I had, better system control and some exclusive apps that require root or works better with root. If you are really pissed about Samsung TouchWiz apps and system "features", rooting would be a nice idea. Just keep in mind that after rooting Knox will be tripped and there's no turning back with Knox. Depending on your country, Knox trip also means warranty void, because once rooted you can unroot and make it looks like nothing happened.
Just adding what was already said, but Android Pay doesn't work with root.
All the best,
~Lord
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XxLordxX said:
Hi,
It's a highly personal decision. I myself for the first time am holding on rooting - I was the one who made the most famous Xoom rooting tool and also S4 Linux Root Script, so that tells a lot. The thing is, meanwhile my device is satisfying my needs, and I'm really curious about Samsung Pay, as it has a way wider support than Android Pay and other systems.
The best thing about rooting in my opinion was the endless system customization - specially after Xposed was released. The way better data management I had, better system control and some exclusive apps that require root or works better with root. If you are really pissed about Samsung TouchWiz apps and system "features", rooting would be a nice idea. Just keep in mind that after rooting Knox will be tripped and there's no turning back with Knox. Depending on your country, Knox trip also means warranty void, because once rooted you can unroot and make it looks like nothing happened.
Just adding what was already said, but Android Pay doesn't work with root.
All the best,
~Lord
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Rooting doesn't allways mean tripped knox. I have my G920F rooted and knox intact. This can be done even after updrade to 5.1.1 stok firmware.
An android phone for me is worthless without root permissions. I need it for:
adaway adds
iptables (firewall)
better battery life (debloat)
titanium backup
JuanRamiro said:
Rooting doesn't allways mean tripped knox. I have my G920F rooted and knox intact. This can be done even after updrade to 5.1.1 stok firmware.
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I was only aware of root that can be applied before upgrade to 5.1.1.
Can you advise how you applied root after 5.1.1? Thanks.
Iceman_jkh said:
I was only aware of root that can be applied before upgrade to 5.1.1.
Can you advise how you applied root after 5.1.1? Thanks.
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Just install de 5.0.2 engineering bootloader via ODIN. Then instal TRWP via ODIN.
After this two steps you can flash whatever you want via TRWP.
Edit: with the 5.0.2 bootloader you will loose fingerprint scanner, the rest works great, at least with the custom rom I am using.
JuanRamiro said:
Just install de 5.0.2 engineering bootloader via ODIN. Then instal TRWP via ODIN.
After this two steps you can flash whatever you want via TRWP.
Edit: with the 5.0.2 bootloader you will loose fingerprint scanner, the rest works great, at least with the custom rom I am using.
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Keep in mind this engineering bootloader does not work with all variants. For example there is no Eng Bootloader for the Canadian phones.
Thank you both. I have the international SM-G920F (technically it's the dual Sim version, SM-G920FD, (from United Arab Emirates)).
So, to confirm, would the eng boot loader still work on my device variant, and allow root without tripping KNOX?
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Thank you both. I have the international SM-G920F (technically it's the dual Sim version, SM-G920FD, (from United Arab Emirates)).
So, to confirm, would the eng boot loader still work on my device variant, and allow root without tripping KNOX?
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I have the single sim version of the G920F, so I don't know if it will work with the dual sim.
I don't think that it will strip you knox...
... and I think that if your phone doesn't work with this bootloader, you can just flash the correct one and make it work again.
But these are just guesses... you decide if you want to take the risk.
Good luck.
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I have the single sim version of the G920F, so I don't know if it will work with the dual sim.
I don't think that it will strip you knox...
... and I think that if your phone doesn't work with this bootloader, you can just flash the correct one and make it work again.
But these are just guesses... you decide if you want to take the risk.
Good luck.
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Thanks. I did some additional research, thanks to your advice about eng boot loader, and seems like it will work ☺
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JuanRamiro said:
I have the single sim version of the G920F, so I don't know if it will work with the dual sim.
I don't think that it will strip you knox...
... and I think that if your phone doesn't work with this bootloader, you can just flash the correct one and make it work again.
But these are just guesses... you decide if you want to take the risk.
Good luck.
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Hi,
I wouldn't risk that "you can just flash the correct one and make it work again". If you know how a bootloader work, if it gets broken there is no way to get to Download Mode and flash a new firmware/bootloader.
For information sake, a bootloader is a piece of software that is the first thing loaded when you boot your device, it comes before anything, be it kernel, be it recovery or anything else, that means, if you have a broken bootloader, the moment you try to boot your device up, it will try loading BL and it will fail, so it will shut down back again. I've had a broken BL once before on S4, the only way to recover was a direct flash of software in system chip using a tool called JTAG.
So, all I can say to users who still didn't get it: beware with this. It seems that many people are getting successful results, but it's an extremely risk procedure, make sure you read every single instruction and follow it, the possibility of a hard brick is high.
Even still, it's a great find, thanks for sharing with me, I didn't know of this until early today .
All the best,
~Lord
I wonder whether Samsung pay will work again after reflash stock rom after root? Is it like knox, once rooted you will never have it no mater what you do including going back to pure stock?
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Depending on your country, Knox trip also means warranty void, because once rooted you can unroot and make it looks like nothing happened.
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Did you mean, once rooted we can unroot and install the stock firmware and hence tripped Knox will be restored as well?
Or the unrooting will only help to restore the stock but the knox will continue to remain tripped. I would like to know this as I am considering purchasing S6. The last samsung phone I owned was S2 and used that for 3 full years with out any problems.
Thanks.
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Did you mean, once rooted we can unroot and install the stock firmware and hence tripped Knox will be restored as well?
Or the unrooting will only help to restore the stock but the knox will continue to remain tripped. I would like to know this as I am considering purchasing S6. The last samsung phone I owned was S2 and used that for 3 full years with out any problems.
Thanks.
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Once Knox is tripped its tripped but, yes you can flash original firmware and as long as you factory reset it, it will be unrooted and ready for official updates.
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Once Knox is tripped its tripped but, yes you can flash original firmware and as long as you factory reset it, it will be unrooted and ready for official updates.
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Thanks. But can you be a bit more specific of if the unrooting, flashing stock, and factory resting will finally untrip the tripped Knox as well? My question in the event I need to take this back to a service center to claim warranty for whatever reason, is there any way for them to know that I have voided warranty if I unroot, flash back the stock and factory reset?
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Thanks. But can you be a bit more specific of if the unrooting, flashing stock, and factory resting will finally untrip the tripped Knox as well? My question in the event I need to take this back to a service center to claim warranty for whatever reason, is there any way for them to know that I have voided warranty if I unroot, flash back the stock and factory reset?
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Once tripped there is no going back. Voided warranty depends on laws of your country and your retailers policy.
coolmalayalee said:
Thanks. But can you be a bit more specific of if the unrooting, flashing stock, and factory resting will finally untrip the tripped Knox as well? My question in the event I need to take this back to a service center to claim warranty for whatever reason, is there any way for them to know that I have voided warranty if I unroot, flash back the stock and factory reset?
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YOU CAN NOT UNTRIP KNOX, you can reflash your firmware from Sammobile, http://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/database/SM-G920F/
use odin and then after you flash, go into recovery or use system settings and conduct a factory reset. It will say Official in the status but, since they will reflash your rom anyways, they will see the knox trip.
It depends on where you purschased your device whether or not they will warranty it with Knox tripped.
Honestly, anyone who roots should understand this information before hand. You should always know how to return to stock unroot.
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I wonder whether Samsung pay will work again after reflash stock rom after root? Is it like knox, once rooted you will never have it no mater what you do including going back to pure stock?
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After rooting my 5.1.1 without tripping Knox, with the 5.0.2 engineering bootloader (as as described a few posts ago) I have flashed a stok rom with odin and then everything went back as it was before the rooting procedure.
1. I was on stok oficial rom with oficial bootloader.
2. I lost root.
3. Knox was still intact: 0.
4. Fingerprint scanner and MyKnox worked again.
So: after upgrade to 5.1.1, rooting with the 5.0.2 engineering bootloader seems to be safe and also easy to bo back to stock... at least for my model (G920F)
Hi. I recently came to samsung galaxy brand from nexus. As many users I am interested in root, and that new thing called Knox.
I am almost happy owner of Galaxy S7 (G930)
What I know so far:
Knox waranty flag is changed to 1 when you flash any partition
No aosp rooms for Exynos CPUs
Root is not available at the moment
What I want to know
How long you had to wait to root on older samsung galaxy phones after their release?
Is root trigers KNOX? I heard that some root methods trigers, while others not. Can you explain this in more detail?
When you flash partition it trigers knox. What about booting partition? I am thinking about custom recovery booting
Does EU G930 have locked bootloader?
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Hi. I recently came to samsung galaxy brand from nexus. As many users I am interested in root, and that new thing called Knox.
I am almost happy owner of Galaxy S7 (G930)
What I know so far:
Knox waranty flag is changed to 1 when you flash any partition
No aosp rooms for Exynos CPUs
Root is not available at the moment
What I want to know
How long you had to wait to root on older samsung galaxy phones after their release?
Is root trigers KNOX? I heard that some root methods trigers, while others not. Can you explain this in more detail?
When you flash partition it trigers knox. What about booting partition? I am thinking about custom recovery booting
Does EU G930 have locked bootloader?
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From what i usually hear it usually comes out a couple of weeks to a month after international release. It doesn't even come out here in Australia until the 11th. As far as what i also hear it will trip Knox and make samsung pay useless. I rely on rooting my mobiles (4 years rooting) and has taught me good things come to people who patiently wait . But samsung pay and Knox aren't something i use
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From what i usually hear it usually comes out a couple of weeks to a month after international release. It doesn't even come out here in Australia until the 11th. As far as what i also hear it will trip Knox and make samsung pay useless. I rely on rooting my mobiles (4 years rooting) and has taught me good things come to people who patiently wait . But samsung pay and Knox aren't something i use
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I am also not worried about Samsung pay. I am more worried about warranty just in case
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I am also not worried about Samsung pay. I am more worried about warranty just in case
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Ahh yes, The only downside of it all. For me i have insurance and anything goes wrong with any of my stuff or gets lost or stolen all fees are covered
Is there a way to fully unroot and return this phone to stock at this time? Im assuming root will also trip the knox counter - can this be undone? I often resell my phones on Craigslist when I upgrade and I wanna make sure I can sell it right.
Just flash the stock firmware, knox can't be undone, and the amount of people that checked if my previous phones were rooted is none.
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Is there a way to fully unroot and return this phone to stock at this time? Im assuming root will also trip the knox counter - can this be undone? I often resell my phones on Craigslist when I upgrade and I wanna make sure I can sell it right.
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Depends, root doesn't trip Knox counter for snapdragon devices, so you fully unroot them just like before
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Just flash the stock firmware, knox can't be undone, and the amount of people that checked if my previous phones were rooted is none.
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Doesn't atripped knox disable Samsung pay though?
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Doesn't atripped knox disable Samsung pay though?
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Most likely, you also won't get updates anymore.
You'll have to sell root as a feature, somehow, when getting rid of the phone.
I rooted my S8+ three days ago it was all good except a crazy bixby home app crash. It made me crazy . So i dowloaded stock firm g955u verison.
After flashing it again using odin . I had an error ... I reboot again and did a factory reset ... .and it s all good now . .. unrooted with full functionalities