Hello there I think my battery has damaged it is showing unusual behaviour my phone switches off with 5-10% left I thought it might be a calibration issue but I've calibrated it many times the problem still persists also when I charge it in switched off condition the charging starts from 14% instead of 0. I've decided to replace my battery so I've a little query since Mi4i and Mi4c are identical can I use Mi4i's BM-33 battery instead of Mi4c's BM-35 ? Does anyone know please respond to my query.
Thanks in advance☺
No, they are not the same voltage. Get BM-35
Karly Johnston said:
No, they are not the same voltage. Get BM-35
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I've inquired both have same voltage ? the only difference is the capacity mi4i's BM-33 has 30 mah more
Hi everyones
Think Mi4s battery should work in Mi4c ? I don't know about dimmension but the battery connector is still the same
Mi4s: BM-38
Mi4c: bM-35
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Hi everyones
Think Mi4s battery should work in Mi4c ? I don't know about dimmension but the battery connector is still the same
Mi4s: BM-38
Mi4c: bM-35
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Are u sure the connector is same? And how do you know?
No i'm not sure but I saw the connector in "mi4s teardown" video and it look like the same
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No i'm not sure but I saw the connector in "mi4s teardown" video and it look like the same
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Yeah I've seen that too but mi4s is 1 millimeter wider than mi4c I don't think BM-38 will fit into Mi4c. Mi4i's BM-33 will surely fit but I don't know if they have same connector or not :/
I wouldn't replace my battery for such a behavior. Have you ever tried physically recalibrating the battery? Or did you use an app?
In case you didn't, let your phone almost run out of juice, then plug charger in and switch it off. Let it charge for 2-3 hours (depends on your charger Amperes) or something more, then turn phone on while still plugged in.
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ZioRò said:
I wouldn't replace my battery for such a behavior. Have you ever tried physically recalibrating the battery? Or did you use an app?
In case you didn't, let your phone almost run out of juice, then plug charger in and switch it off. Let it charge for 2-3 hours (depends on your charger Amperes) or something more, then turn phone on while still plugged in.
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Yeah I've done it thanks for the help sir my phone is working fine now but it gets switched off when it becomes too hot at 9-10% its not a battery issue
I have the same problem,
Talha7866 said:
Yeah I've done it thanks for the help sir my phone is working fine now but it gets switched off when it becomes too hot at 9-10% its not a battery issue
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I have the same problem, and purchase a new battery, and was worse.
tell me where to buy a genuine ORIGINAL
Kerkireos said:
I have the same problem, and purchase a new battery, and was worse.
tell me where to buy a genuine ORIGINAL
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Actually I'm from India so I bought it from eBay India.
AliExpress might have original ones btw where did you buy ? Check AliExpress they'll definitely be having original ones
no, you can't buy original/genuine ones anywhere - the ones on aliexpress/ebay are better or worse replacements
I've bought one since I've got shutdowns at 25-30% , but the replacement is worse - after a month or two when I enjoyed the fact of having no random shutdowns, the capacity was dropping and I'm back to my original battery
try using slow charger (non-QC2.0) - after a couple of charges with 5V/1A sudden shutdown problems vanishes
Related
1980mah Andida battery it says it's for the 2x but it should work on the LG Optimus 3D too http://www.obostore.com/1980mah-andida-spare-battery-for-lg-optimus-2x-p-1305.html?t=10304
ik911 said:
1980mah Andida battery it says it's for the 2x but it should work on the LG Optimus 3D too http://www.obostore.com/1980mah-andida-spare-battery-for-lg-optimus-2x-p-1305.html?t=10304
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I had one with same sticker on (so I assume same people made it) for my Desire.
The battery stopped working after a few weeks and the charger sends my wifes phone mental!
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I had one with same sticker on (so I assume same people made it) for my Desire.
The battery stopped working after a few weeks and the charger sends my wifes phone mental!
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LOL, the phone is actually going crazy
mmace said:
I had one with same sticker on (so I assume same people made it) for my Desire.
The battery stopped working after a few weeks and the charger sends my wifes phone mental!
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The first bit in the video
it's got good reviews from the 2x users
ik911 said:
The first bit in the video
it's got good reviews from the 2x users
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the one I got would have got good reviews from me for the 1st month or 2, then it just died
update
got the battery on saturday been using it instead of the LG battery much better just hope it lasts long
ik911 said:
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got the battery on saturday been using it instead of the LG battery much better just hope it lasts long
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By how much it is better than the stock battery? After how much you need to recharge it in both moderate and heavy usage?
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the one I got would have got good reviews from me for the 1st month or 2, then it just died
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Doesnt mean they are all like that,i have bought plenty of cheap batteries and they are still working.
3 hours i got extra not bad
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Do you think this extra power is what killed your phone?
Pete
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Doesnt mean they are all like that,i have bought plenty of cheap batteries and they are still working.
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Yep, me too. One thing I have noticed about batteries (cheap extra ones or the originals) is that if they give any kind problem I clean the contacts. I use the pointy end of a penknife or similar to carefully scrape the surface clean. same goes for both the phone and charger contacts.
Pete
Anyone got more info? Just bought this battery for thr o3x.
Use this battery now for weeks and it seems as it is a lil improved battery life wise. From a 10 hour use I could squeeze with those battery pack 12 to 15 hours. Still not acceptable but hey 2hours more is 2 hours more
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Is this battery safe for the phone
Is this battery safe for the phone circuit? I mean damage caused by over current or over voltage? Does the battery comes with any warranty? Definitely the battery warranty should not cover damage caused by battery to the phone? I do not want to put my phone in risk for just some extra time.
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Is this battery safe for the phone circuit? I mean damage caused by over current or over voltage? Does the battery comes with any warranty? Definitely the battery warranty should not cover damage caused by battery to the phone? I do not want to put my phone in risk for just some extra time.
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perfect no problems
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perfect no problems
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bro, where you got it from? obostore.com also?
works fine for me.
ngyingcong said:
bro, where you got it from? obostore.com also?
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http://www.obostore.com/1980mah-andida-spare-battery-for-lg-optimus-2x-p-1305.html?t=10304
Don't know if I just got a bad battery or what, but I bought one of these and the battery life is aboslutely terrible. I put it in the phone, left it switched off and charging for a solid 8 hours, then tried to use it. With Bluetooth on, WiFi off and the phone just sitting in standby it barely lasted 6-7 hours before I was getting battery warnings. I let it charge up again, thinking it might take a few charges/discharges for the battery to work correctly, but the next discharge was even shorter!
Did you wipe your battery stats when you changed for different sized batteries ?
Hey all,
recently I have encountered a rather big and annoying problem on my phone. It has to do with my battery. I've looked it up on xda, but nothing was really exactly like my problem.
The problem is that my battery level has gone absolutely crazy.
First, charging my phone takes many many hours. After around 5 hours it still wasn't fully charged.
Then when rebooting the phone, it magically said 100%. However, after this the phone drained extremely fast. Think around 20 percent per hour, while using it normally!
Secondly, around 40 percent the phone automatically turned off, without the usual HTC logo. When I turn it on again the battery level is suddenly 2 %. After a few times turning off and on the battery level goes up to 30 percent. This can be seen very well on the pictures.
The phone is 1,5 years old and I haven't installed a custom ROM.
Am I dealing with a broken battery or is the problem in the software?
Hi,
I'm not an expert, but I think your battery is exhausted.
But before you run buying another battery...
What charger are you using? Stock HTC or custom? If custom, what are the Voltage/Current output values?
probably your battery is dying as the above user said
or the battery it doesn't connect properly
check it
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Then when rebooting the phone, it magically said 100%.
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about this it is a htc's common issue
try this https://dl.dropbox.com/u/47039397/MODs/Battery Auto-calibration Script.zip
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Hi,
I'm not an expert, but I think your battery is exhausted.
But before you run buying another battery...
What charger are you using? Stock HTC or custom? If custom, what are the Voltage/Current output values?
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It's HTC stock.
rzr86 said:
probably your battery is dying as the above user said
or the battery it doesn't connect properly
check it
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Okay, thanks a lot! I was planning anyway to buy an Anker battery.
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Okay, thanks a lot! I was planning anyway to buy an Anker battery.
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Nice
Sorry for off topic: do you think it's better Anker or Mugen battery?
I had a similar problem. and my phone turns itself off.
i send phone to repair and he change display, battery and headphone
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Nice
Sorry for off topic: do you think it's better Anker or Mugen battery?
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While reading on some forums about a better battery for the Sensation I haven't encountered Mugen, only Anker, which has some good reviews.
Hello Guys
today my phone i don't know whats happening
the battery be 50 and go 70 and then go 2 so i don't know whats happening should i replace battery or what
i install (Ampere) app and tell me the health of battery is good so i don't what i should do
I would replace the battery. Battery is cheap on ebay even they are likely to be faked. I replaced batteries both of my Nexus 4 with those potential fake one. The temperature sensor isn't working on one of them so I know it is faked. But it doesn't give me trouble so far. I bought three from three different sellers.
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I would replace the battery. Battery is cheap on ebay even they are likely to be faked. I replaced batteries both of my Nexus 4 with those potential fake one. The temperature sensor isn't working on one of them so I know it is faked. But it doesn't give me trouble so far. I bought three from three different sellers.
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it took too long 2 month and i dont know where i can buy it from i found these buyers
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-OEM-Goo...sh=item4b04ee657d:g:HS0AAOSwENxXlwHx#shpCntId
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Orig..._7&btsid=751f2f80-413b-4bbd-b32e-c20b339243ff
ahmedvip2008 said:
Hello Guys
today my phone i don't know whats happening
the battery be 50 and go 70 and then go 2 so i don't know whats happening should i replace battery or what
i install (Ampere) app and tell me the health of battery is good so i don't what i should do
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Hello,
I've got the SAME problem with my Nexus 4 this week.
I'll try to say what happened (and I didn't resolve this yet)
First of all, it is shuting down my N4 all the time. I need to keep it at charged.
I tried to change my battery with a friend (with N4 too) and the problem persists.
I tried to change our USB modules, without success.
At this phone everything is working alright, even with battery (so it isn't a battery problem).
I cannot charge my battery or calibrate it. I charged my battery at his N4 and put at my N4: "74% battery" (it was 100%).
My gauge do some crazy jumps. It's like "15%, 76%, 100%" and when i put it off "100%, 44%, 2%".
NOTE: I tried to calibrate several times.
It keeps shuting down at normal use.
This problem occurs -at the first time- when I was at Android 5.1.1 (Chroma ROM). I changed to Android 6.0.1 and it still not working.
At charger works very fine.
At "TWRP" it works fine too (don't shutdown)
I REALLY don't know what can I do.
Now, i'm will install a Stock Rom just for science.
I have this problem(random shutdown,random reboot,when plug in battery dance) too. 6 six month ago I changed battery because phone battery drained as ****,so I used my phone only when plugged in (battery wasn't charging,just keep charge) and one day I used my n4 too long without charging, so battery drains. n4 died till I changed battery.
Everything stock, android 5.1.1 LMY48T, still hoping for OTA updates.English isn't my mother language, so will be pleased if you check it
Now I think about buying new phone. As for me its to much change battery one more time. Or itsnt batterys' fault?
I got back the Nexus 4 from a relative because she got a new phone. Also a cousin had a nexus 4. The batteries are terrible. Its been over 3 years so this was expected. I'm hoping the new battery will give it respectable SOT. Right now it just randomly dies at 50% or higher. And I have to wait for it to really die before I can bring it back to life. Its got the RED LED of Death.
Got to say, its a beautiful phone still. Forgot how nice it was
i buy new battery now its work fine
ahmedvip2008 said:
i buy new battery now its work fine
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link pls
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no its from local seller
Beware! The majority of batteries sold on ebay are fake! You can identify them by the look: their print on the label is not white, it's more like a dirty grey. Also they are smaller (1-3mm) in length and width. Also they lack a temperature sensor and constantly report a temperature of 22-23°C. A quick check with a hairdryer will reveal it. Don't install these fake ones. I did twice and both failed within less than 100 cycles. Runtime was poor and they were swollen so much they lifted away the back cover!
I just got a Nexus 4 that my mother was using and installed CM13 and now Lineage 14.1 for my father to use. I'm also facing these random shutdowns.
On my last charge, I charged to 100% without any problem and left the phone in standby for a day and a half which took it down to 89%. I then used it last night to give it some SOT and left it at 74%. Just before going to bed, I pressed the power button and nothing. With a long press the phone booted and reported the battery at 73%. Waking up this morning I expected to press the power button and find the phone on something like 67%. Once again the phone had shut down and when I booted, the battery was on 2% and shutdown itself down straight after boot.
If the battery performance is rubbish, I can accept that due to the age of the phone. What I cant accept is totally inaccurate battery reporting and shutdowns. :crying:
I replaced the battery of my Nexus 4 yesterday, purchased from AliExpress. I suppose it is a fake one. The battery was too big to fit into the enclosure. I had to force it to let it fell into place. Finally it fell into place and it was connected, the phone won't turn on. The phone has given only a red led of death for about 12 hours. Probably it means a battery failure. I don't think the cheap batteries are in good condition and I don't think they're safe either.
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I replaced the battery of my Nexus 4 yesterday, purchased from AliExpress. I suppose it is a fake one. The battery was too big to fit into the enclosure. I had to force it to let it fell into place. Finally it fell into place and it was connected, the phone won't turn on. The phone has given only a red led of death for about 12 hours. Probably it means a battery failure. I don't think the cheap batteries are in good condition and I don't think they're safe either.
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Agree, I got one from AlieExpress too. But that was not lasting even equal to my 3 years old battery. Had to complain at multiple places to get the refund but finally got it.
Nitin
Original battery link
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Original battery link
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I think the best chance to get an original battery is to purchase a battery from spareslg.com. The price of the battery is a bit too high in my opinion: 22,60 euros at the moment. A second hand nexus 4 costs approximately 60 euros, 80 euros tops, in the Netherlands. I don't know how much a second hand nexus 4 costs in Turkey. Perhaps it's better to consider a second hand nexus 4 and use your old nexus 4 for spare parts. A known issue of the nexus 4 is that the digitizer will stop randomly and the glass at the front and back of the phone is fragile.
NBS92 said:
I think the best chance to get an original battery is to purchase a battery from spareslg.com. The price of the battery is a bit too high in my opinion: 22,60 euros at the moment. A second hand nexus 4 costs approximately 60 euros, 80 euros tops, in the Netherlands. I don't know how much a second hand nexus 4 costs in Turkey. Perhaps it's better to consider a second hand nexus 4 and use your old nexus 4 for spare parts. A known issue of the nexus 4 is that the digitizer will stop randomly and the glass at the front and back of the phone is fragile.
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Turkey is a terrible country everything is awful
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Turkey is a terrible country everything is awful
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Did you find a good battery or really original battery ?
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Did you find a good battery or really original battery ?
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no hıc bırsey bulamadım
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no hıc bırsey bulamadım
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i found a new battery 33 dollars on LG service center
Hello there I think my battery is damaged, becouse my phone switches off with 5-15% left (so i do calibrate, but doesnt help) and when I charge it, the charging starts from 14% instead of with 0.
So I decided to replace my battery. I know that I have to the BM-35 But where can i buy and get really a original?
I found this some on ebay and aliexpress, but i am not allowed to post here....
For exeample i found one on aliexpress with a cooling copper, is that usefull?
Thanks in advance for your Help.
Only on dragon-tt I've found original parts of xiaomi phones...
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Hello, I have exactly same problem! Same percentage, turns off at ~13-15%, then if I plug to charge it shows 14% everytime! I would also know if it's battery or something more related. I'm using mi4c for ~7 months now. Glad i'm not alone with this problem.
Which Rom?
Which Rom you use and do have only use your quickcharger (the original)?
Edit: I ask about the charger, because i read in anohter forum, that the quickcharge isnt good for the battery lifetime. I have the phone for more than a year and use the quickcharger only for every third or fourh charging. Do you use everytime?
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Which Rom you use and do have only use your quickcharger (the original)?
Edit: I ask about the charger, because i read in anohter forum, that the quickcharge isnt good for the battery lifetime. I have the phone for more than a year and use the quickcharger only for every third or fourh charging. Do you use everytime?
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Yes, used original quick charger, and USB. Using Ressurection Remix 5.8.0 (7.1 Nougat), but was getting problem with MIUI too, but shut down at 7%, and start charging at 21%, i think it may be software problem.
I'm not sure whether it is a software problem. I have for last month the rom from team superluminal ( cm-12.1-20160617 ) and have never battery problems - only since the last 2 weeks. So i updated to the rom cm-13.1-20161231 (also superluminal) and the first round with a full battery works fine, no switch off at a low battery level. I work on the phone until it has only 3 percent and then i charged it. Maybe you try this rom? Nevertheless i think isn't a software problem. Because I read this at the forum from superluminal (sry i am not allowed to link here) - posted by morphic:
IMO using quick charger w/ mi4c it will destroy your battery even more, because it seems to get too hot while charging. High temperatures are known to cause damage for battery internal chemistry..
I have also noticed that using normal “slow” charger will make mi4c battery percentage to behave more sane.
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Sooner or later i will buy a new battery
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I'm not sure whether it is a software problem. I have for last month the rom from team superluminal ( cm-12.1-20160617 ) and have never battery problems - only since the last 2 weeks. So i updated to the rom cm-13.1-20161231 (also superluminal) and the first round with a full battery works fine, no switch off at a low battery level. I work on the phone until it has only 3 percent and i charged it. Maybe you try this rom? Nevertheless i think isn't a software problem. Because I read this at the forum from superluminal (sry i am not allowed to link here) - posted by morphic:
Sooner or later i will buy a new battery
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Used this rom. I think the same, I'm going to buy battery and try to keep it cool while charging. If you know some cheap websites for Europe, thank you!
I have orded from aliexpress, you can find some between 10 -15 Euro. Or ebay, there is a trader from spain and want about 20 Euro.
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I have orded from aliexpress, you can find some between 10 -15 Euro. Or ebay, there is a trader from spain and want about 20 Euro.
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I think I would go for ali, i can wait 2-3 weeks for me, no big deal, I have power bank, but annoying, that it just shut's off. Thanks! Glad we are not alone with the same problem
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I think I would go for ali, i can wait 2-3 weeks for me, no big deal, I have power bank, but annoying, that it just shut's off. Thanks! Glad we are not alone with the same problem
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is that original battery?
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is that original battery?
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I don't know if ali has leggit batteries, but look fine
IcyGlacial said:
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100 percent sure you could never I remember a case about fake samsung battery - selled from amazon.
Tried to get a replacement battery from the biggest seller of them on aliexpress. Got stopped twice at custom x-ray with post nl . Was getting it shipped to Ireland. Seller is refunding me and told me it was getting very hard to ship batteries at the moment.
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100 percent sure you could never I remember a case about fake samsung battery - selled from amazon.
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Not like Xiaomi uses top bin batteries in the first place. They wouldn't bother faking the bottom bin batteries Xiaomi uses.
there are no original ones as spare parts to buy. just replacements
I've bought one off aliexpress from a seller with biggest positive feedback for BM35 batteries as my original was switching off at about 30%, used for about three months, but it's not very good now - it doesn't hold charge very well and I have had random shutdowns at about 20%, too.
Last weekend I've got annoyed and put my old original BM35 back and the phone holding significantly longer with similar patterns of usage. Unfortunately still getting shutdowns at ~15-20%. Also there are rumours claiming that avoiding QC chargers "cures" the battery in mi4c. So, if you're getting shutdowns at 5-15%, don't even bother spending 10$ for a non-original one, try slow charging first.
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Also there are rumours claiming that avoiding QC chargers "cures" the battery in mi4c. So, if you're getting shutdowns at 5-15%, don't even bother spending 10$ for a non-original one, try slow charging first.
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Slow charging, works for me
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Slow charging, works for me
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could you tell us what kind of charger do you use? what power, ie. how many amperes?
I use two different Samsung Charger with: 1) 5Volt / 1A 2) 5Volt / 2A
I have the same problem where my device shut down early before 0%, and it happen to all custom rom i used, but i think the problem has gone now, i did clear all the chace and dalvik/ART, reboot the phone, charge untill 100% and calibrate with battery calibration.
I'm on RR 5.8.0 latest build.
Just got the battery the poster is talking about, with a copper patch. its from a batch marked with the year 2014. The S/N is covered with the copper patch.
the battery cover plastic seems a bit scratched, like its a used battery.
I will replace the battery in the next couple of days and let you know.
For the mean time I got it for 11.5$, now its 14.5$
i recently replaced my battery. there was a MI logo on it and written BM37 but i don't think it is original. Its not the same as the one that came out of the phone. Battery life is good though. The problem is, ever since the phone temperature seems broken. CPU temp and other stuff is pretty normal but battery temp is stuck on 25(sometimes 24). I have never seen it above this level even though i m sure it did rise. I tried global beta, eu rom and currently using stable miui10. I wonder if it affects the thermal processes of the phone or cause any damage due to overheating since it always says 25C°. And also wonder if it's totally about the new battery or something can be done with software. thanks.
Also also, could you tell me which of the values in the 'thermal' section of CPU z can i consider as device's temp instead?(for some reason i m unable to upload any ss for now, but will do)
just don't screw the bottom screw back to your phone so you have quick removal if sth goes wrong...
all chinese replacement battery got no temp sensors, they only placed 10K ohm resistor in the sensor's place, therefore stuck temp reading...
Mine also like dat but the battery's life is wonderful, brands: Life Future...
Never get the one that looks like original, coz it will never be original battery... actually its worse than my currently broken battery... so I get Life Future (I specifically mention this brand coz I have used their battery & its great)...
My replacement battery stuck at -25, and wont charge because of that, i pay it 25 euros and wont buy another one... Is anyone find solution to bypass battery thermal sensor to actualy chare the phone?
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Nelle9900 said:
My replacement battery stuck at -25, and wont charge because of that, i pay it 25 euros and wont buy another one... Is anyone find solution to bypass battery thermal sensor to actualy chare the phone?
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-25C means the battery's broken... you should ask for replacement for that....
Crescendo Xenomorph said:
just don't screw the bottom screw back to your phone so you have quick removal if sth goes wrong...
all chinese replacement battery got no temp sensors, they only placed 10K ohm resistor in the sensor's place, therefore stuck temp reading...
Mine also like dat but the battery's life is wonderful, brands: Life Future...
Never get the one that looks like original, coz it will never be original battery... actually its worse than my currently broken battery... so I get Life Future (I specifically mention this brand coz I have used their battery & its great)...
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Just wondering how much more SOT you get from this new battery compared to the old original battery.
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Just wondering how much more SOT you get from this new battery compared to the old original battery.
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about 9/10 of the original... depends on the brand... mine's LifeFuture...
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about 9/10 of the original... depends on the brand... mine's LifeFuture...
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What's your SOT with that brand?