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Hi Everyone,
As it is taking so long to get real 32GB Micro SD's on the market I was wondering if anyone would be interested in buying a SD to MICRO SD converters.
This converters will not be just some wires solder together...but a converter that is nicely packaged.
Provide me with some feedback on the idea.
umm, how could that possibly work? you can't convert something so its smaller
Well maybe I did not state it correctly...
I mean a converter that will allow you to use a standard SD card into a micro sd slot...it will most likely be made of an external connector for the standard SD card then wire it down to a micro sd slot..
I work for an electronics manufacturing company and I may be able to convince my boss to do a test line of a couple...
But before I ask I wanted to see if there is any interest???
I have a Nexus one and really do not want to keep waiting for the 32GB Micro SD...then I do not want to pay $200.00 for it.
So i am thinking if people are interested a converter that can hold a standard SD that is no more that 4MM thick then you can shop around for a 32GB standard SD card for about $75.00 and have 32GB of storage for your nexus or other device...
Again just checking for input...
I'd would be interested, but I don't think there is going to be enough room to fit it and still put the back on!
tomfreay said:
I'd would be interested, but I don't think there is going to be enough room to fit it and still put the back on!
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Hi tomfreay I was was thinking about that...it may have to be something that mounts on the outside of the back cover...if it can be made to be flush against the back cover...I envision a small "bump" on the back...
I use a clear silicone case for my phone so I do not think it will look to bad....
Or I can buy a Seidio extended battery and case..this should allow me to hide the converter inside...but I think it may look worse than just having a little standard SD size bump on the back of the phone...
I will ask my boss to explore one then take pictures of the finished product and post...
Someone has done this already with one of the convertors already available
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Someone has done this already with one of the converters already available
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OK...so where can I buy one? And how much?
32GB Micro SD cards are available and have been for a month or two at least - check out http://www.google.co.uk/products?q=...esult_group&ct=title&resnum=3&ved=0CDgQrQQwAg
Can't see any kind of converter fitting well with the phone and still looking good. Also it would probably reduce transfer speeds to/from the card.
At this stage I can't say I'd recommend getting a 32GB Micro SD card for that matter. Better to stick with one that has a smaller capacity/higher data transfer speed if you don't want to slow down gallery/music apps etc - something between 4GB and 16GB.
See this post...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=6289541&postcount=101
joeearl13 said:
32GB Micro SD cards are available and have been for a month or two at least - check out http://www.google.co.uk/products?q=...esult_group&ct=title&resnum=3&ved=0CDgQrQQwAg
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All 32 gig cards in the link you provided are out of stock.
Ya, if you don't know what you're talking about...
joeearl13 said:
32GB Micro SD cards are available and have been for a month or two at least - check out http://www.google.co.uk/products?q=...esult_group&ct=title&resnum=3&ved=0CDgQrQQwAg
Can't see any kind of converter fitting well with the phone and still looking good. Also it would probably reduce transfer speeds to/from the card.
At this stage I can't say I'd recommend getting a 32GB Micro SD card for that matter. Better to stick with one that has a smaller capacity/higher data transfer speed if you don't want to slow down gallery/music apps etc - something between 4GB and 16GB.
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DUDE. Seriously. How many times do people have to be told that a PHONE will not be able to saturate a Class 2 (which has a MINIMUM of 2MB/s NOT MAXIMUM) MicroSD card. Classes, DO NOT MATTER when the phone can only access the card as fast as the chipset can. I had a Class 6 with Apps2SD and a Class 2 16GB with Apps2SD and there was NO DIFFERENCE even with the biggest movie file I could play.
Why the crap would you think that less than 1 inch of copper would slow down the transfer rate to anything you can see?? GIVE. ME. A. BREAK. I have 2 METERS of USB cord AND a 2 inch USB cord hooked up to a portable harddrive, and they have IDENTICAL speeds with the same hardware, why would you be able to tell the difference on a phone where that is not even close to being a bottleneck.
Listen, this is important: SD Card Class will NEVER be a bottleneck for any media on our Nexus Ones.
Ya, true; my converter looks terrible, but it fits under a very nice looking Casemate Vroom Case perfectly I would totally recommend one if you're going to get a MicroSD to SD.
Hi Everyone,
I have posted some pictures of my SD to MicroSD Converter and how it looks once it is installed.
Not bad, would be tempted by it if I needed a lot of storage.
well, if we gonna make our n1 bigger.. is that possible to make raid of two 32GB SDHC cards?
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Hi Everyone,
I have posted some pictures of my SD to MicroSD Converter and how it looks once it is installed.
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Nice Job. DocRambone was going to try this with the 3200mAH battery and cover but I dont know if he was successful.
The custom back-cover that comes with it should have room for this.
ps: Can you post the pics in the OP so its easy to find, thanks.
britoso said:
Nice Job. DocRambone was going to try this with the 3200mAH battery and cover but I dont know if he was successful.
The custom back-cover that comes with it should have room for this.
ps: Can you post the pics in the OP so its easy to find, thanks.
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Hi Britoso..I was think about putting out the money for the 3200mAH battery...but then I found the case for it was too big...
The mod that I did is something that I think a lot of people can live with..its not ugly..the crystal case fits...and the grip of the phone has changed a little..I find it feels a little better.
Forgive my ignorance I have been on this site for several years now and still do not know everything...what do you mean by "OP"..set me straight and I will place the pictures there..
To All...
Again with this mod the cover slides off like it should...I put a small slit in the cover for the flex cable...and placed protective tape on both sides of the flex cable to prevent damage.
So at the most I just have to buy a new back cover and return the phone to OEM condition.
Oh I did shaved the battery a little by the MicroSD slot area...
If anyone is really interested in this converter let me know...like I said...$200.00+ for a 32GB Mirco SD card...I have seen them selling for $395.00..no way I say.
This mod ran me $82.00 for the 32GB standard class 10 card and $35.00 in parts.. Grand total of $117.00 for massive storage...I say the little bump on the back is worth it..phone can quickly be restored to OEM..
Maybe in 1.5 years from now when 32GB MicroSD cards come down to earth....I will get one..then I will just use my 32GB Class 10 Standard SD in a HD camcorder...
If it fits inside the battery cover it will be safer from movement, dust, drops etc.
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britoso said:
If it fits inside the battery cover it will be safer from movement, dust, drops etc.
OP= Original Post, the first post
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OK..its done..thanks for the lesson..
andjohn said:
DUDE. Seriously. How many times do people have to be told that a PHONE will not be able to saturate a Class 2 (which has a MINIMUM of 2MB/s NOT MAXIMUM) MicroSD card. Classes, DO NOT MATTER when the phone can only access the card as fast as the chipset can. I had a Class 6 with Apps2SD and a Class 2 16GB with Apps2SD and there was NO DIFFERENCE even with the biggest movie file I could play.
Why the crap would you think that less than 1 inch of copper would slow down the transfer rate to anything you can see?? GIVE. ME. A. BREAK. I have 2 METERS of USB cord AND a 2 inch USB cord hooked up to a portable harddrive, and they have IDENTICAL speeds with the same hardware, why would you be able to tell the difference on a phone where that is not even close to being a bottleneck.
Listen, this is important: SD Card Class will NEVER be a bottleneck for any media on our Nexus Ones.
Ya, true; my converter looks terrible, but it fits under a very nice looking Casemate Vroom Case perfectly I would totally recommend one if you're going to get a MicroSD to SD.
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If this rant is true, you make me feel a lot better for buying a class 2 16gig card.
andjohn said:
DUDE. Seriously. How many times do people have to be told that a PHONE will not be able to saturate a Class 2 (which has a MINIMUM of 2MB/s NOT MAXIMUM) MicroSD card. Classes, DO NOT MATTER when the phone can only access the card as fast as the chipset can. I had a Class 6 with Apps2SD and a Class 2 16GB with Apps2SD and there was NO DIFFERENCE even with the biggest movie file I could play...
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BTW, "class" on a (micro)sd card is for measuring _write_ speed only. Hence playing a video will test precisely nothing relating to it's class rating.
And yes, the N1 can saturate the write speed on a Class 2 card _very_ easily.
Anyone still looking for an adapter. I found this:
http://www.ameri-rack.com/APA-TFC1m.html
They sell this directly for around $24 + shipping.
EDIT: RESOLVED! Tested on different hardware and results are very different: Sequential Read @ 20MB/sec; Sequential Write @ 12MB/sec.
I bought a Kingston 16GB Class 10 card from ebuyer.com and it is no faster than my original Kingston 16GB Class 2 card. So I contacted Kingston support and guess what they said? "Please note that means the minimum read speed have to be with the class 10card at least 10MB/s". Thats £80 down the drain - WTF!!!?
The SD Card Association (www.sdcard.org) states that "Speed Class and UHS Speed Class provide the constant speed necessary for video recording by designating a minimum writing performance". I have pointed this out to Kingston and am now awaiting a response.
So regardless of the often reported compatibility issues with Desires, I suggest that you look elsewhere for your speed fix.
SD Cards and speed tests have been covered a countless number of times on the forum, i dont understand why you went out and bought a class 10 for a htc desire and assumed you would get blistering speeds from general use
My speed tests have been carried out in Windows on my PC. My point is less about how it works on the Desire and more about how it is almost identical in performance to a Class 2, and also Kingston's crappy attitude.
That said, I use RCMixHD and some of the Rom is stored on the card so yes, I did hope to see some benefit.
Do some research before you buy. Complaining afterwards it not beneficial to anyone.
Ever thought of the possibility that you bought a fake card?
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Zhypr said:
Do some research before you buy. Complaining afterwards it not beneficial to anyone.
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I am truly confused by your response!
The card does not perform in accordance with the advertised standard. The manufacturer then mis-quotes the standard. So I decide to inform other people who might make the same mistake.
In what way is that not beneficial?
Sibbi said:
Ever thought of the possibility that you bought a fake card?
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If it had been bought from eBay or second hand then maybe I would have. But ebuyer.com is a long standing and reputable supplier and secondly, Kingston haven't suggested it as a possibility and prefer to suggest that the performance is acceptable.
PinkySlayer said:
I bought a Kingston 16GB Class 10 card from ebuyer.com and it is no faster than my original Kingston 16GB Class 2 card. So I contacted Kingston support and guess what they said? "Please note that means the minimum read speed have to be with the class 10card at least 10MB/s". Thats £80 down the drain - WTF!!!?
The SD Card Association (www.sdcard.org) states that "Speed Class and UHS Speed Class provide the constant speed necessary for video recording by designating a minimum writing performance". I have pointed this out to Kingston and am now awaiting a response.
So regardless of the often reported compatibility issues with Desires, I suggest that you look elsewhere for your speed fix.
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Google the lot number on it i bet its fake.
this is a good read http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?page_id=1022
Which kernel is your desire running as i recall there being patched kernels to increase sd card speeds by almost 3x. Not too sure if it is a bug fix or an enhancement.
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The SD Card Association (www.sdcard.org) states that "Speed Class and UHS Speed Class provide the constant speed necessary for video recording by designating a minimum writing performance". I have pointed this out to Kingston and am now awaiting a response
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That's not quite all of the story - the class is the minimum writing speed you should get in absolutely ideal conditions - i.e. one large file on a completely unfragmented card. In the real world, you may well get lower speeds, especially if your card is nearly full and/or you are writing many small files.
I've been using SanDisk 16GB Class 2 cards in both my Desires for months, and they've performed just as well as my Transcend 8GB Class 6. There's no way on this planet I'd buy a Class 10 card to stick in a phone - as far as I'm concerned they are really for the semi-professional DSLR/HD Video market.
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Dave
foxmeister said:
That's not quite all of the story - the class is the minimum writing speed you should get in absolutely ideal conditions - i.e. one large file on a completely unfragmented card. In the real world, you may well get lower speeds, especially if your card is nearly full and/or you are writing many small files.
I've been using SanDisk 16GB Class 2 cards in both my Desires for months, and they've performed just as well as my Transcend 8GB Class 6. There's no way on this planet I'd buy a Class 10 card to stick in a phone - as far as I'm concerned they are really for the semi-professional DSLR/HD Video market.
Regards,
Dave
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My testing us carried out under such ideal conditions, using Crystal Disk Mark, using one large file, on freshly formatted partition using 4, 8, 16 and 32 cluster sizes. The Wikipedia page also states that the write speed should be achievable on fragmented drives, but I'm still only achieving 7MB/s write.
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I am truly confused by your response!
The card does not perform in accordance with the advertised standard. The manufacturer then mis-quotes the standard. So I decide to inform other people who might make the same mistake.
In what way is that not beneficial?
If it had been bought from eBay or second hand then maybe I would have. But ebuyer.com is a long standing and reputable supplier and secondly, Kingston haven't suggested it as a possibility and prefer to suggest that the performance is acceptable.
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Excuse me, I misread. Class certainly indicates write speed. From Wikipedia 'The Speed Class Rating is the official unit of speed measurement for SD Cards, defined by the SD Association. The Class number represents a multiple of 8 Mbit/s (1 MB/s), and it measures the minimum sustained write speeds for a card in a fragmented state [10].'
I would demand a new item as advertised or your money back.
I truly am shocked at some of the hostile responses from some members here!
I thought the idea of XDA was to help each other not to use it as a portal to vent some anger at some poor person!
Sound like they have grossly mis-sold the card there! I get that speed on the phone itself with a class 6 card (also a kingston btw).
I would be very suprised if it is a fake from ebuyer!
Phil
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I truly am shocked at some of the hostile responses from some members here!
I thought the idea of XDA was to help each other not to use it as a portal to vent some anger at some poor person!
Sound like they have grossly mis-sold the card there! I get that speed on the phone itself with a class 6 card (also a kingston btw).
I would be very suprised if it is a fake from ebuyer!
Phil
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I have to admit, I was a bit disappointed by the response too. So thanks for injecting a bit of common sense.
A|ex said:
Which kernel is your desire running as i recall there being patched kernels to increase sd card speeds by almost 3x. Not too sure if it is a bug fix or an enhancement.
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I am aware of this issue and I have been using a "read ahead" fixed kernel for a while. But the problem is not with the Desire specifically, as the card under-performs in a PC too.
Juggalo_X said:
Google the lot number on it i bet its fake.
this is a good read http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?page_id=1022
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That's an interesting read, thanks. Kinston asked for the serial number and they didn't say it was fake, so I see no reason why it would be (and it probably performs too well to be a fake!).
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The Wikipedia page also states that the write speed should be achievable on fragmented drives, but I'm still only achieving 7MB/s write.
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Then Wikipedia is wrong! Not wholly unusual for Wikipedia either.
http://www.sdcard.org/developers/tech/speed_class/
If I were you, I'd also test again using a different card reader and/or PC before assuming it's the card at fault. If you are getting 7MB/s it's certainly not far off class 10 minimums (which makes it less likely to be a fake IMHO), but you also need to ensure that the bus you are testing over can actually sustain higher speeds.
Regards,
Dave
I bought a kingston class10 16gb card and I must say I'm really impressed with the data rates. around 12Mb/sec writing. (haven't tested read yet => is there a special utility app to perform this test straight on the phone ?)
foxmeister said:
Then Wikipedia is wrong! Not wholly unusual for Wikipedia either.
http://www.sdcard.org/developers/tech/speed_class/
If I were you, I'd also test again using a different card reader and/or PC before assuming it's the card at fault. If you are getting 7MB/s it's certainly not far off class 10 minimums (which makes it less likely to be a fake IMHO), but you also need to ensure that the bus you are testing over can actually sustain higher speeds.
Regards,
Dave
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Yes, that is what Kingston have now suggested too. They have dropped their claim that the Class rating covers only the read speed and have also offered to replace the card directly. It is entirely possible that my internal card reader is the issue so I will have to find another device to test it on.
phentex said:
I bought a kingston class10 16gb card and I must say I'm really impressed with the data rates. around 12Mb/sec writing. (haven't tested read yet => is there a special utility app to perform this test straight on the phone ?)
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I tested on a PC as I do not know what the capabilities of the Desire are, i.e. can it actually read and write at over 10MB/s. But yes, there are a couple of utilities in the Market, one called SD Card Speed Tester.
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I tested on a PC as I do not know what the capabilities of the Desire are, i.e. can it actually read and write at over 10MB/s. But yes, there are a couple of utilities in the Market, one called SD Card Speed Tester.
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when transfering from a computer to the phone (which is mainly why i bought this card), i get 12Mb/sec data rate write. I just tested with the sd card speed test on my phone, and i get W=3mb/s, R=4mb/s, which is clearly much slower than what i get when transfering from my computer. I'm thinking android has a lame way of accessing the sd card....
phentex said:
when transfering from a computer to the phone (which is mainly why i bought this card), i get 12Mb/sec data rate write. I just tested with the sd card speed test on my phone, and i get W=3mb/s, R=4mb/s, which is clearly much slower than what i get when transfering from my computer. I'm thinking android has a lame way of accessing the sd card....
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In Android, my Kingston 16GB Class 2 card achieves 4MB/s W and 15MB/s R with SD Card Speed Test.
I also test with SD Card Tester, a 100MB file achieves 3MB/s W and only 2MB/s R whereas a 3MB file achieves 5MB/s W and only 1MB/s read.
All very erratic. That's why I don't test within Android.
RESOLVED! Kingston had suggested that these new Class 10 cards were exceeding the capabilities of the i/o device so I tested the card on different hardware at work and the results are very different:
Sequential Read @ 20MB/sec;
Sequential Write @ 12MB/sec.
It is a shame that Kingston had to begin by denying that the card was even capable of these write speeds as this could have been resolved much sooner. But credit where it's due, this is a stonkingly quick memory card!
Thanks to all who contributed.
So I'm thinking about buying the Moto X Style/Pure Edition, but I'm coming from a 64 GB OPO, so 16 GB isn't really going to cut it. To be economical I'm thinking about getting the 16 GB variant and adding an SD card. I haven't used an SD card with Android for years though, and I know a lot has changed. Performance-wise is an SD card going to be significantly worse than internal memory, and am I likely to run into lots of instances where apps won't let me install to the SD card? I install a lot of apps and also use a good amount of storage space for Google Play Music downloads.
I would say it depends on what you used that 64GB for. If you have a lot of big apps, 16GB isn't going to cut it. Even if you have a few, it'll be tight. If you keep movies or TV shows or a big music library on there, an SD card will do fine.
This of course will change in Android M which merges SD and internal memory. I still wouldn't recommend less than 32GB internal if you're coming from a 64. SD memory is inherently slower than internal, so just bear that in mind when you consider what you need the memory for. It'll playback a movie fine, but if you're putting apps on there it'll slowdown somewhat.
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Gotcha, that was pretty much what I figured but wanted to clarify. Thanks!
Hopefully they have a much faster sd slot on this one than the s7
Does anyone know yet if the SD slot on this will have UHS 2 or 3 speeds (confirmed the required pins, or seen a speed test off a demo phone with a fast card)?
I am also trying to find this out
Is it having a hybrid Sim slot???
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I am also trying to find this out
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The small storage + slow sd really hobbled the s7 for me. I can't wait to be rid of it at this point.
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The small storage + slow sd really hobbled the s7 for me. I can't wait to be rid of it at this point.
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I'm curious. I did a lot with my Note 3-4, V10, and V20. I never noticed any lag in anything running from SD card. I had a 200Gig card in the V10 and V20 and am not sure what was the issue with the SD cards. If anyone can explain what the issue was, I'd be really grateful.
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I'm curious. I did a lot with my Note 3-4, V10, and V20. I never noticed any lag in anything running from SD card. I had a 200Gig card in the V10 and V20 and am not sure what was the issue with the SD cards. If anyone can explain what the issue was, I'd be really grateful.
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The 32GB is just barely enough for my storage needs for things that can't be moved to the SD card. It was totally unusable for VR since that can't be put on the SD card. Giving out free Gear VR's with a 32GB phone was pretty silly actually. Luckily we still had an s6 with 128 to use the Gear with.
When any storage medium gets more than haf full you start to notice slow downs. It's MORE obvious on mechanical hard drives but it's still noticeable on ssd's an other solid state storage. It's definitely noticeable on the s7. I've done tests where I reset it instal just a few apps and it's BLAZING FAST, then I install my apps, email, texts, etc, fill it up, and bam it's a slug.
I spent 6 months COSTANTLY screwing around with moving things from the storage to the sd card. It's a tedious and annoying thing to have to do. Having come from the s6 with 128 and never needing to even thing about storage it really pissed me off to have to go backwards on my next gen phone.
So then I finally caved in and did adoptable storage. Well the thing is the internal storage is FAST until you fill it - it's still fast, but you do notice a lot of lagging just going from screen to screen. It clocks in the mid 200MBs. But the SD card is slow. I bought a UHS 3 card hoping it would match the internal ram. The card clocks at 280MBs in a uhs 3 usb 3 reader. It clocks in the 80's in the phone when it's empty. More like the 40's when it's filled with photos and music.
So doing adoptable storage means mixing a single volume with 280MBs and 80MBs storage. Which makes the phone EVEN Slower, but at least I don't have to screw around with moving stuff constantly anymore.
The thing is that people clamored for sd storage. I have no idea WHY they clamored for it. It's beyond inconvenient. It's not like you can pull it in and out since it's on the sim tray. And Samsung decided that in order to include it they had to stop making larger storage versions.
I think what we have is a case of be careful what you wish for.
It's far better to have larger FAST internal storage and a FAST usb connection than it is to have the stupid sd card.
That's my rant on this, but here's the bottom line summary:
1. The 32GB is incredibly inconvenient if you are heavy user like me with lots of stuff. Micromanaging the storage makes the phone a chore to use, and the full card slows the phone down a little bit.
2. Using adoptable storage is more convenient, but the slow SD slot makes the phone really really laggy - at least for a heavy user like me.
I've put my s6 128 next to my s7 edge with adoptable storage, and the s6 is way more responsive. I just can't go back to that small screen!! LOL
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The 32GB is just barely enough for my storage needs for things that can't be moved to the SD card. It was totally unusable for VR since that can't be put on the SD card. Giving out free Gear VR's with a 32GB phone was pretty silly actually. Luckily we still had an s6 with 128 to use the Gear with.
When any storage medium gets more than haf full you start to notice slow downs. It's MORE obvious on mechanical hard drives but it's still noticeable on ssd's an other solid state storage. It's definitely noticeable on the s7. I've done tests where I reset it instal just a few apps and it's BLAZING FAST, then I install my apps, email, texts, etc, fill it up, and bam it's a slug.
I spent 6 months COSTANTLY screwing around with moving things from the storage to the sd card. It's a tedious and annoying thing to have to do. Having come from the s6 with 128 and never needing to even thing about storage it really pissed me off to have to go backwards on my next gen phone.
So then I finally caved in and did adoptable storage. Well the thing is the internal storage is FAST until you fill it - it's still fast, but you do notice a lot of lagging just going from screen to screen. It clocks in the mid 200MBs. But the SD card is slow. I bought a UHS 3 card hoping it would match the internal ram. The card clocks at 280MBs in a uhs 3 usb 3 reader. It clocks in the 80's in the phone when it's empty. More like the 40's when it's filled with photos and music.
So doing adoptable storage means mixing a single volume with 280MBs and 80MBs storage. Which makes the phone EVEN Slower, but at least I don't have to screw around with moving stuff constantly anymore.
The thing is that people clamored for sd storage. I have no idea WHY they clamored for it. It's beyond inconvenient. It's not like you can pull it in and out since it's on the sim tray. And Samsung decided that in order to include it they had to stop making larger storage versions.
I think what we have is a case of be careful what you wish for.
It's far better to have larger FAST internal storage and a FAST usb connection than it is to have the stupid sd card.
That's my rant on this, but here's the bottom line summary:
1. The 32GB is incredibly inconvenient if you are heavy user like me with lots of stuff. Micromanaging the storage makes the phone a chore to use, and the full card slows the phone down a little bit.
2. Using adoptable storage is more convenient, but the slow SD slot makes the phone really really laggy - at least for a heavy user like me.
I've put my s6 128 next to my s7 edge with adoptable storage, and the s6 is way more responsive. I just can't go back to that small screen!! LOL
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oooohhhh, now it all makes sense. Thanks. I always used the 200Gig card so I never ran out of space. Then again, never used VR. I will now I guess with the new stuff from Samsung.
sanjsrik said:
oooohhhh, now it all makes sense. Thanks. I always used the 200Gig card so I never ran out of space. Then again, never used VR. I will now I guess with the new stuff from Samsung.
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I've never run out of space on the sd, but there's only certain things that can be put there, so it was always half empty with like 29-31 GB of stuff clogging up the internal storage.
The s7, for people like me, made you choose between convenience and speed. That's frustrating for a phone that came out in 2016. Especially when the 64 or 128 s6 gave you the best of both worlds.
I feel like the 64 in the s8 will be enough that if I fill it it will only be every few months so less maintenance. If it has a uhs 3 reader and does adoptable storage then it's the best of every possible world. Maximum options for the maximum number of use cases.
I saw a Tested.com podcast once where they brilliantly slammed the s7 and the iphone at 32GB. They pointed out that these are the two specific phones where the least technical people are going to buy, and in the end, they are the two phones that will need you to mess with them if you take a lot of pics or download a lot of music. Meaning that for a less technical person, it's better to have the larger storage and that Apple and Samsung needed to raise their bottom number in order to not cause grief for their most common customer: the less technical user who buys the lowest price one because they don't know any better.
I get a LOT of calls from IT customers asking me to help them figure out how to get stuff off their 32 GB iphone or Galaxy because it's full. I hate that call. I didn't get into IT to babysit customer's personal music collection.
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I've never run out of space on the sd, but there's only certain things that can be put there, so it was always half empty with like 29-31 GB of stuff clogging up the internal storage.
The s7, for people like me, made you choose between convenience and speed. That's frustrating for a phone that came out in 2016. Especially when the 64 or 128 s6 gave you the best of both worlds.
I feel like the 64 in the s8 will be enough that if I fill it it will only be every few months so less maintenance. If it has a uhs 3 reader and does adoptable storage then it's the best of every possible world. Maximum options for the maximum number of use cases.
I saw a Tested.com podcast once where they brilliantly slammed the s7 and the iphone at 32GB. They pointed out that these are the two specific phones where the least technical people are going to buy, and in the end, they are the two phones that will need you to mess with them if you take a lot of pics or download a lot of music. Meaning that for a less technical person, it's better to have the larger storage and that Apple and Samsung needed to raise their bottom number in order to not cause grief for their most common customer: the less technical user who buys the lowest price one because they don't know any better.
I get a LOT of calls from IT customers asking me to help them figure out how to get stuff off their 32 GB iphone or Galaxy because it's full. I hate that call. I didn't get into IT to babysit customer's personal music collection.
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I think I just lucked out that both the V10 and V20 both had 64G of memory.
Maybe UFS support
Hi Y'all.
If this holds water:
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s8_s8plus_hands_on-review-1595.php
The card bay should be UFS supported like this:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3092436/storage/samsungs-blazing-fast-ufs-storage-cards-could-replace-micro-sd-media.html
But i haven't found confirmation anywhere else.
Regards
Elo
I have a 128gb sandisk extreme u3 in mine and it is working fine. Early adopter so i've had it since monday.
if anyone has any questions
http://imgur.com/a/PGnyL
zoramac said:
I have a 128gb sandisk extreme u3 in mine and it is working fine. Early adopter so i've had it since monday.
if anyone has any questions
http://imgur.com/a/PGnyL
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Looks liek passmark has a disk benchmark http://www.passmark.com/products/pt_mobile.htm. Whats the speed on that external SD card?
YellowGTO said:
Looks liek passmark has a disk benchmark http://www.passmark.com/products/pt_mobile.htm. Whats the speed on that external SD card?
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this is whats on Sandisk's website
Read Speed: up to 90MB/s5
Write Speed: up to 60MB/s5
Video Speed: C10, U3, V304
Form Factor: microSDXC
zoramac said:
I have a 128gb sandisk extreme u3 in mine and it is working fine. Early adopter so i've had it since monday.
if anyone has any questions
http://imgur.com/a/PGnyL
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zoramac said:
this is whats on Sandisk's website
Read Speed: up to 90MB/s5
Write Speed: up to 60MB/s5
Video Speed: C10, U3, V304
Form Factor: microSDXC
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This thread is about the speed of the SD Card port, not the SD card itself.
Sorry, misunderstood. tried 3 different sd cards and they all fail in the passmark bench marking- unable to write..
fwiw a1 sd bench gives
73.9 read 51.1 write with the u3 card
zoramac said:
Sorry, misunderstood. tried 3 different sd cards and they all fail in the passmark bench marking- unable to write..
fwiw a1 sd bench gives
73.9 read 51.1 write with the u3 card
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Well that seems to be in line the U3 V30
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Well that seems to be in line the U3 V30
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As usual they don't seem to be able to clearly mark the speed of anything. I have a Sandisk Extreme Plus, rated at 95mb read, 90mb write. But it says U3 and V30 on it. Which according to that table can only do 30mb (except it DOES do 95/90), this is due to the quoted speeds for V30 etc being minimum speeds and not set speeds.
Most people also get confused over U3 speeds and UHS III bus type (which has a second row of pins to enable faster speeds but most devices do not support), the UHS III bus has only recently been agreed apparently (https://petapixel.com/2017/02/25/uhs-iii-sd-card-standard-announced-maxes-insane-624mbs/) and there are no cards out yet for it, so youll only get UHS II at best on the S8 and theres no way the S8 will support UHS III. Whether it even supports UHS II, I don't know, it really shouldn't be that hard to tell since it requires a whole extra row of pins but I have seen a dozen threads in forums asking the same question and not a single answer so far, someone even asked Samsung support and as expected, they were useless.
It's like the USB-C/USB3.0/USB3.1 all over again where you need to be a detective to work out whether you get usb 3.0 speeds, 3.1 gen1 speeds (5gbps) (which are often also referred to as 3.0) or 3.1 gen2 speeds (10gbps) (which are often referred to as just 3.1) from a particular cable or device. When these geniuses setting these standards are incapable of even getting the NAMING of these things right, you know we are in trouble!
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When these geniuses setting these standards are incapable of even getting the NAMING of these things right, you know we are in trouble!
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That's because the naming is done by marketing committee. More concerned with fancy pointless marketing names than really conveying what the technology is capable of. The 'name by committee' factor is in full effect too.
Averix said:
That's because the naming is done by marketing committee. More concerned with fancy pointless marketing names than really conveying what the technology is capable of. The 'name by committee' factor is in full effect too.
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Then they should all be sacked for being useless at their jobs. Marketing is pointless if you create endless confusion for consumers (not to mention the opportunity for scam sub standard products taking advantage of the stupid ambiguous naming). Rule number 1 should be crystal clarity on 'spec x = speed y' with no possible confusion between spec x y or z!
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As usual they don't seem to be able to clearly mark the speed of anything. I have a Sandisk Extreme Plus, rated at 95mb read, 90mb write. But it says U3 and V30 on it. Which according to that table can only do 30mb (except it DOES do 95/90), this is due to the quoted speeds for V30 etc being minimum speeds and not set speeds.
Most people also get confused over U3 speeds and UHS III bus type (which has a second row of pins to enable faster speeds but most devices do not support), the UHS III bus has only recently been agreed apparently (https://petapixel.com/2017/02/25/uhs-iii-sd-card-standard-announced-maxes-insane-624mbs/) and there are no cards out yet for it, so youll only get UHS II at best on the S8 and theres no way the S8 will support UHS III. Whether it even supports UHS II, I don't know, it really shouldn't be that hard to tell since it requires a whole extra row of pins but I have seen a dozen threads in forums asking the same question and not a single answer so far, someone even asked Samsung support and as expected, they were useless.
It's like the USB-C/USB3.0/USB3.1 all over again where you need to be a detective to work out whether you get usb 3.0 speeds, 3.1 gen1 speeds (5gbps) (which are often also referred to as 3.0) or 3.1 gen2 speeds (10gbps) (which are often referred to as just 3.1) from a particular cable or device. When these geniuses setting these standards are incapable of even getting the NAMING of these things right, you know we are in trouble!
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It's a minimum of 30MBps. you can probably hit 90MBps if you transferred 1 file that's over 90MB. It would be considerably slower if you transfered 90000 1kb files. Same with all storage mediums.
This is my first Android phone without a micro SD card, and it sucks trying to transfer large files. I'm coming from a Note 10+ with 256GB internal storage and a 512GB micro SD card. So, with a 512GB internal storage only, I'm already taking a step backwards. I've always kept most large files on my SD card and it was simple to place the SD card in the new phone. It's always made backups simple, ever since Android did away with USB Mass Storage. I know I'm old school, but I've also chosen the Note series because it's always been the Swiss Army Knife of cell phones. But, they constantly remove features to the point where there's very little differentiation from other phones. I wish I would've bought a Note 20 Ultra before Samsung stopped making them. But, who knew they would eliminate the micro SD completely. They did it with the Note 5 and apparently realized it was a mistake because they brought it back for the next 5 generations. I almost switched to the Xperia Pro or I III. Except Sony put 95% of their phone features into the camera. I run multiple businesses and I've always relied on the Note with the option of pulling the SD card for quick file transfer. We got minor upgrades in processor and battery, but I don't know if I can except the trade off for what's been omitted. This $1,300 phone might be going in the trash if I can't find some important trade-offs. So far, it seems like a downgrade to my 2019 premium phone.
In the US you can still buy new factory sealed N10+'s and N20U's.
I bought a new N10+ 4 months ago to serve as a backup for my first one. I don't think the N20U is as reliable and it's variable refresh rate display like all of the variable refresh rate displays doesn't have as good a color rendering index as the N10+. The cam hump and that lame lefty spen... idiots.
No SD card slot, no sale. Personally I like to have two 1tb SD card slots.
Screw Sammy for turning all Apple
Call Samsung up and share the wuv
I have had to do 2 factory resets to try and solve some issues. Smart Switch isn't cutting it. Samsung wants me to put in the code off of my other Galaxy device?! I have no other Galaxy device now.
This whole deal starting with the presale has been a disaster. The phone has not been what the specs were either.
blackhawk said:
In the US you can still buy new factory sealed N10+'s and N20U's.
I bought a new N10+ 4 months ago to serve as a backup for my first one. I don't think the N20U is as reliable and it's variable refresh rate display like all of the variable refresh rate displays doesn't have as good a color rendering index as the N10+. The cam hump and that lame lefty spen... idiots.
No SD card slot, no sale. Personally I like to have two 1tb SD card slots.
Screw Sammy for turning all Apple
Call Samsung up and share the wuv
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The left handed S-pen seems retarded. I understand (but still not happy with) the constant rearrangement of the power/volume buttons. I've gotten used to everything being on the left side. But, my Tab S6 has right side buttons. So, if you're gonna switch sides, at least put the power button above or below the volume rocker to match other devices. My patience is running thin. I may be on the search for a new N20U. I still have my 10+, but the back screen's broken and the wifi antenna struggles to reconnect to existing wifi at times. Again, the brand alternatives are slim. I appreciate your point of view on tech.
Steigerelli said:
This is my first Android phone without a micro SD card, and it sucks trying to transfer large files. I'm coming from a Note 10+ with 256GB internal storage and a 512GB micro SD card. So, with a 512GB internal storage only, I'm already taking a step backwards. I've always kept most large files on my SD card and it was simple to place the SD card in the new phone. It's always made backups simple, ever since Android did away with USB Mass Storage. I know I'm old school, but I've also chosen the Note series because it's always been the Swiss Army Knife of cell phones. But, they constantly remove features to the point where there's very little differentiation from other phones. I wish I would've bought a Note 20 Ultra before Samsung stopped making them. But, who knew they would eliminate the micro SD completely. They did it with the Note 5 and apparently realized it was a mistake because they brought it back for the next 5 generations. I almost switched to the Xperia Pro or I III. Except Sony put 95% of their phone features into the camera. I run multiple businesses and I've always relied on the Note with the option of pulling the SD card for quick file transfer. We got minor upgrades in processor and battery, but I don't know if I can except the trade off for what's been omitted. This $1,300 phone might be going in the trash if I can't find some important trade-offs. So far, it seems like a downgrade to my 2019 premium phone.
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You're not wrong here, pal. I am trading in a N20U for this new S22U that I just received yesterday and the one thing I do dread, is having to backup constantly. I am certainly NOT going to succumb to cloud storage and it sucks ass through a straw to know that every time I add new memes to my collection that stays on my phone, I have to sift through to find those that aren't already backed up. In addition, I can no longer factory reset without affecting the external SD card. If a factory reset is done, EVERYTHING goes bye bye. While this new phone is extremely fast and in a class of its own, it sucks that Samsung went the Apple way — pretty lame.
Steigerelli said:
The left handed S-pen seems retarded. I understand (but still not happy with) the constant rearrangement of the power/volume buttons. I've gotten used to everything being on the left side. But, my Tab S6 has right side buttons. So, if you're gonna switch sides, at least put the power button above or below the volume rocker to match other devices. My patience is running thin. I may be on the search for a new N20U. I still have my 10+, but the back screen's broken and the wifi antenna struggles to reconnect to existing wifi at times. Again, the brand alternatives are slim. I appreciate your point of view on tech.
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You still have patience with Samsung?
The rear cover for the N10+ is cheap. Replace the battery and anything else needed.
Get a rear cover seal and the seal or assembly for the cam cover if not included with the replacement.
I use the Zizo Bolt case as it gives good drop protection. Easy to hold and keep clean.
I think you should've done your research first since it was already advertised in the first place that it won't have an SD card slot. and before you pre-order, there are device specifications to look at. blaming won't Samsung will not help you, there's a lot of information leaking out before it was introduced to the public.
I came from being an avid user of microSD-cards as well, but as sadly most current phones don't support them any more I moved on....
What I use for file transfer is the app "Total Commander" together with the "Wifi Transfer" Plugin, then connect both phones via Wifi direct (is a bit faster than going over the Wifi router in my house which is used by the whole family) and then copy files over.... Oh, and don't forget to remove battery optimization for both TC and thw Wifi plugin.....
Maximo Beniares Jr. said:
I think you should've done your research first since it was already advertised in the first place that it won't have an SD card slot. and before you pre-order, there are device specifications to look at. blaming won't Samsung will not help you, there's a lot of information leaking out before it was introduced to the public.
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I did my research. There are a lot of us that have been discussing our frustration for months over the omission of the micro SD card slot. I still like a new premium phone every couple of years.
The truth is, unfortunately, these things are spy devices. We shouldn't be keeping personal files and data on these devices. Take your pics and videos and back them up off your device. I don't do the pathetic social media thing, too, so that helps and eliminates any need for personal pictures and videos having to stay on my device. I'm just giving a bit of perspective.
Coming from a note 10 plus with 256 internal and 512 sd card. Used smart switch through a cable and took around 2 hours to transfer 450 Gb of files. I do have the 1 tb model. Don't know if that makes a difference
Get a USB C style micro-sd adapter and plug it into the phone and an SD into that? At one point I am sure samsung were even shipping adapters with their first generation of USB C devices.
Something like this (this is just a quick google, I have not checked nor am I endorsing this particular product, or seller) - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/37378004...7779&msclkid=5a468d1beed019e9d88def02ff420f60
Edit: even trusted companies like kingston sell options, and it was compatible with the S21 Ultra, so should be fine on the S22 Ultra - https://www.mymemory.co.uk/kingston-mobilelite-duo-3c-microsd-card-reader.html
I dont know how this lack of mountable storage is such a big issue for people? Buy a phone with sufficient internal storage and call it a day. And as already mentioned, keeping your entire personal history on your phone is dumb.
I use my laptop to store my files and back them up to an external drive. Super easy to transfer what I need to my new phone.
I do a fresh install of my apps over a period of days priortizing by usage.
It is best to do a clean install. Using a file transfer app to move data and apps from one phone to another can lead to problems. I guess everyone wants an instantaneous process because they want quick and easy.
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I dont know how this lack of mountable storage is such a big issue for people? Buy a phone with sufficient internal storage and call it a day. And as already mentioned, keeping your entire personal history on your phone is dumb.
I use my laptop to store my files and back them up to an external drive. Super easy to transfer what I need to my new phone.
I do a fresh install of my apps over a period of days priortizing by usage.
It is best to do a clean install. Using a file transfer app to move data and apps from one phone to another can lead to problems. I guess everyone wants an instantaneous process because they want quick and easy.
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Yep, why I got a 1TB model. Also bought a Super Speed USB 3 cable and the transfers are lightning quick. The one that came with the phone is USB 2.0 speed.
Would you provide a link to the one you purchased?
I was in the exact same boat. I spent 2 days transferring files and it sucks.
It was two hours for me also. Bundled cable is 2.0 only? What's with all the high wattage cables being USB 2.0 only. Though honestly never really had high regards to Samsungs included cables, they fall apart within a couple month of just simple plug/replug (I don't manhandle devices or cables).
Anyone else go from 65% initial charge to ~ 20% in that span as well?
Steigerelli said:
This is my first Android phone without a micro SD card, and it sucks trying to transfer large files. I'm coming from a Note 10+ with 256GB internal storage and a 512GB micro SD card. So, with a 512GB internal storage only, I'm already taking a step backwards. I've always kept most large files on my SD card and it was simple to place the SD card in the new phone. It's always made backups simple, ever since Android did away with USB Mass Storage. I know I'm old school, but I've also chosen the Note series because it's always been the Swiss Army Knife of cell phones. But, they constantly remove features to the point where there's very little differentiation from other phones. I wish I would've bought a Note 20 Ultra before Samsung stopped making them. But, who knew they would eliminate the micro SD completely. They did it with the Note 5 and apparently realized it was a mistake because they brought it back for the next 5 generations. I almost switched to the Xperia Pro or I III. Except Sony put 95% of their phone features into the camera. I run multiple businesses and I've always relied on the Note with the option of pulling the SD card for quick file transfer. We got minor upgrades in processor and battery, but I don't know if I can except the trade off for what's been omitted. This $1,300 phone might be going in the trash if I can't find some important trade-offs. So far, it seems like a downgrade to my 2019 premium phone.
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Don't trash it donate it to a charity for a good cause and stick with your Note 10+. YOU KNEW there was not gonna be an SD Card option but you bought it anyway. No SD Card and No Audio Jack is the future of phones. Without those it offers more space for the battery and better cooling solutions. If you have a 512 gb SD card why didn't you go with 512gb internal storage? It was only $100 more than 256gb which would have doubled your storage.
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Don't trash it donate it to a charity for a good cause and stick with your Note 10+. YOU KNEW there was not gonna be an SD Card option but you bought it anyway. No SD Card and No Audio Jack is the future of phones. Without those it offers more space for the battery and better cooling solutions. If you have a 512 gb SD card why didn't you go with 512gb internal storage? It was only $100 more than 256gb which would have doubled your storage.
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No SD card slot impacts chipset cooling options little. Most heat is dissipated through the display side and almost none through the frame rail.
Samsung better get their rabid gerbil dancing act together especially after their latest data breach atrocity.
Tired of Samsung telling the customer what they want and need. Screw that. Put out or get out Sammy.
My one N10+ is 512gb. It takes way too long to load that big a drive when you could simple slam in a loaded sd card and be good to go. That's what I did on my 2nd N10+, hit the ground running and setting it up.
blackhawk said:
No SD card slot impacts chipset cooling options little. Most heat is dissipated through the display side and almost none through the frame rail.
Samsung better get their rabid gerbil dancing act together especially after their latest data breach atrocity.
Tired of Samsung telling the customer what they want and need. Screw that. Put out or get out Sammy.
My one N10+ is 512gb. It takes way too long to load that big a drive when you could simple slam in a loaded sd card and be good to go. That's what I did on my 2nd N10+, hit the ground running and setting it up.
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They gonna do what they think is in the best interests of the majority of users and not the niche group (a few percentage) that actually fill up 512gb of storage. It's saves them money not having the SD card and increases their profits because they force you to buy a phone with more than the standard storage option. You got two choices. Accept it or buy a different brand.