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I've been stuck on the note 4 for Verizon without full root after 10 months. Will this ever get root and unlocked bootloader?
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Ummm... are you referring to your Note 4 or the new Note 5? People only just started receiving them yesterday (myself included), so it'll take time for any root/unlocking stuff to come about if it'll be possible.
Talking about the note 5. Just wondering if anyone heard of Verizon locking it down in a similar fashion.
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Honestly, with Samsung and Verizon...just assume that root will never be available. It likely won't, but if it is..it's just a bonus.
Regardless, it's way too early to tell.
If root is important to you, DON'T BUY A PHONE UNTIL ROOT IS ALREADY AVAILABLE.
EVER.
These days root is not guaranteed. And in some cases even if you get 'root', you can't write to the system partition without an unlocked bootloader to change out the kernel, severely gimping what many want root for on the first place.
JasonJoel said:
If root is important to you, DON'T BUY A PHONE UNTIL ROOT IS ALREADY AVAILABLE.
EVER.
These days root is not guaranteed. And in some cases even if you get 'root', you can't write to the system partition without an unlocked bootloader to change out the kernel, severely gimping what many want root for on the first place.
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Very true. I purchased the Note 5 because I like the phone. Root would be nice but it won't break my heart if it doesn't come. The S6 had root but it didn't last long if you like to stay up to date on the software. Samsung and Verizon locked these phones up pretty tight where even just flashing the modem will cause you to have to flash the whole update and loose root. I'm not holding my breath for root.
Probably Yes in the future but not right away. So i decided to talk to a Samsung customer service representative to ask weather the bootloader would be unlocked on Verizon note 5. It took me 20 whole minutes just to find that out bumped into a such a stupid representative on the live chat
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Probably Yes in the future but not right away. So i decided to talk to a Samsung customer service representative to ask weather the bootloader would be unlocked on Verizon note 5. It took me 20 whole minutes just to find that out bumped into a such a stupid representative on the live chat
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dont know why you even tried that. a fly is smarter then their chat reps
Exactly! I guess someone was brave enough to ask... I'd give it about 6 months until root comes out. In the keantime, this phone is pretty awesome.
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This is one of the reasons I stopped using samsung phones.
AthruZ79 said:
Exactly! I guess someone was brave enough to ask... I'd give it about 6 months until root comes out. In the keantime, this phone is pretty awesome.
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I'd be shocked if it ever gets root. Almost a year later note 4 still isn't
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I'd be shocked if it ever gets root. Almost a year later note 4 still isn't
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+1
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I was just being optimistic. Lol
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That's right bro lol you got my back haha
It be nice.. went from note 2 to the 5. Had a lot of problems with Verizon trying to lock it down. Ended up rooting a building my own rom. Hopefully someone is working on it
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From what I read if rooted Knox 5 will lock the phone down...on Verizon and att only. Root looked to be done already on other carriers. Something in Knox 5 called "Root of trust"
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Yeah.. if that's the way verizon and Samsung want to play the game.. They can go the way of the dodo bird.
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Jacob11701 said:
From what I read if rooted Knox 5 will lock the phone down...on Verizon and att only. Root looked to be done already on other carriers. Something in Knox 5 called "Root of trust"
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I am ignorant on this, but if ALL the Knox software is disabled how could Knox be tripped? Anything related it Knox, I have disabled using Debloater. I am a Windows guy, and when a service is disabled it is not running but the software is still present. Wouldn't it be the same on android and Verizon/Samsung bastardization of android? Baby steps I know, but wouldn't that also leave the possibility of Root more likely then knowing Knox wont screw the phone?
The last time I used root was on the s3 and that was about it. Note 5 not needed. Even the bloatware doesnt bother me. Disabled/uninstall most of them. Phone is smooth as butter, for now at least.
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I am ignorant on this, but if ALL the Knox software is disabled how could Knox be tripped? Anything related it Knox, I have disabled using Debloater. I am a Windows guy, and when a service is disabled it is not running but the software is still present. Wouldn't it be the same on android and Verizon/Samsung bastardization of android? Baby steps I know, but wouldn't that also leave the possibility of Root more likely then knowing Knox wont screw the phone?
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I would like to think this is true but with the way they control the phone I doubt Samsung doesn't have it programmed in the startup to check
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Note 5 in my hands in 45 minutes. Hope root is available by the end of the weekend
Just remember, if you disable knox. Samsung pay will never work on the phone again.
I dont use SS pay so thats ok
haha same here, I'm really hoping for root soon as well. I'm hoping that due to the similarities with the S6 family it'll be available quickly. Really loving the phone though, my only real complaint with my S6 was the screen was just a touch too small. The Note is absolutely outstanding and despite it's size it feels much smaller in the hand. Feels WAY smaller than the Note 4 and the G4.
Hey dear my samsung s3 how to use flash
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dickosta said:
Hey dear my samsung s3 how to use flash
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What What??
Suzook1 said:
I dont use SS pay so thats ok
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boosting1bar said:
haha same here, I'm really hoping for root soon as well. I'm hoping that due to the similarities with the S6 family it'll be available quickly. Really loving the phone though, my only real complaint with my S6 was the screen was just a touch too small. The Note is absolutely outstanding and despite it's size it feels much smaller in the hand. Feels WAY smaller than the Note 4 and the G4.
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Well, Samsung pay isn't out yet. I was just mentioning if you disable knox now, you wont be able to use Samsung Pay when its released Sept. 28th and there is no way to re-enable knox. But I do understand the want for root. I haven't had a phone without adblocker in ages!
Should have root tonight or tomorrow. Pre-rooted images are being made. Sprint has one already. Head over to the Dev section of the international version and stay updated.
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Do you have to flash carrier specific images?
md1008 said:
Do you have to flash carrier specific images?
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Yes. Waiting for someone to report back the Sprint image.
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Just remember, if you disable knox. Samsung pay will never work on the phone again.
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Your statement is incorrect... If you disable knox you can flash the stock firmware and knox + samsung pay will work like normal. If you trip the knox counter from 0x0 to 0x1 then you will no longer be able use samsung pay.
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Your statement is incorrect... If you disable knox you can flash the stock firmware and knox + samsung pay will work like normal. If you trip the knox counter from 0x0 to 0x1 then you will no longer be able use samsung pay.
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Your statement is self contradicting - Flashing back to stock does not reset Knox Counter. Disabling does not stop it from tripping the counter
I know i may get some slack for this post but is it realistically possible that someone could find a root method that doesnt trip knox. My last device was a note 3 so i havent followed whether the s5, note 4 or s6 have acheived this. I like the idea of samsung pay (even though im in the beta and it doesnt work with my car) and im hoping it works with my card once the app is public. I cant live with a phone that cant run a custom rom but if i at least have root i feel like i could manage. So am i just being stupid and say screw samsung pay or is their a real possiblity that someone could find root without the knox trip.
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Would be nice, but. Samsung pay isn't working for me on any card I have. So I'm about to pull the trigger on Knox , and get new recovery and flash deodex rom.
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Goddly said:
Would be nice, but. Samsung pay isn't working for me on any card I have. So I'm about to pull the trigger on Knox , and get new recovery and flash deodex rom.
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It only works for Bank of America or US Bank cards now I believe although there is support for Amex, Visa and Mastercard. They will probably be up and running once Samsung Pay is officially launched on the 28th. I can tell you this. Samsung Pay is a battery hog. It runs all the time unlike Google Wallet that you open when you need it. And the way you unlock your phone is tied into Samsung Pay. For example, if you select fingerprint scanner for Samsung Pay it automatically becomes the lockscreen default to unlock the phone. So if you want a pattern to unlock your phone you have to change it in Samsung Pay to unlock the device. You can't have both. Well at least when I tried you couldn't. LoL
I dont think enough devs have a note 5, i would guess something may come out of another phone maybe and translate over. I'm in the same boat, my n3 was rooted right away once I was convinced sprint wasnt going to deny a warranty claim over knox. I'm kinda holding out for s pay, but if it sounds like a bunch of brain damage....
Actually just thought of something, I use drive through and eat at bars and restaurants a lot, not keen on handing my phone to someone, probably gonna pass on s pay...
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I know i may get some slack for this post but is it realistically possible that someone could find a root method that doesnt trip knox. My last device was a note 3 so i havent followed whether the s5, note 4 or s6 have acheived this. I like the idea of samsung pay (even though im in the beta and it doesnt work with my car) and im hoping it works with my card once the app is public. I cant live with a phone that cant run a custom rom but if i at least have root i feel like i could manage. So am i just being stupid and say screw samsung pay or is their a real possiblity that someone could find root without the knox trip.
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check out king root. I've recently seen a post and it claims to not trip Knox.
You may want to search xda.
TheCyberpunk said:
check out king root. I've recently seen a post and it claims to not trip Knox.
You may want to search xda.
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That would be amazing. Thanks for the heads up. I looked through a couple pages of the kingroot main thread and couldnt find anything. Will keep searching.
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Im guessing no one else has found any data to support this. I would assume someone would be talking about it by now....but, it seems development is kinda slow (absolutely no disrespect intended) or the possiblity is people who want root are not concerned about knox so there hasnt been alot of interest. From what i can tell though is kingroot was for earlier devices and doesnt even work on an updated note 4 let alone a 5. Someone tell me im wrong. Im offereing 20 bucks for a root method. lol i know thats weak but maybe other people will join me. Thanks to anyone that looks into this.
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Also offering 20 bux to developer for root method that don't trip Knox on 5.1.1 sprint s6 edge plus
I actually have many compatible Samsung Pay cards and am enjoying the service... really don't want to lose it. Hopefully someone comes up with something.
Don't think it will ever happen!!!!!!
My money is burning a whole in my pocket waiting to be sent to the person that successfully obtains permanent root WITHOUT tripping the dreadful knox! $10 $20 $30 $40????
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My money is burning a whole in my pocket waiting to be sent to the person that successfully obtains permanent root WITHOUT tripping the dreadful knox! $10 $20 $30 $40????
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Better keep your money don't think it will ever happen
Chaz187 said:
Better keep your money don't think it will ever happen
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Im guessing no one else has found any data to support this. I would assume someone would be talking about it by now....but, it seems development is kinda slow (absolutely no disrespect intended) or the possiblity is people who want root are not concerned about knox so there hasnt been alot of interest. From what i can tell though is kingroot was for earlier devices and doesnt even work on an updated note 4 let alone a 5. Someone tell me im wrong. Im offereing 20 bucks for a root method. lol i know thats weak but maybe other people will join me. Thanks to anyone that looks into this.
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I have a T567V Verizon tab E that is a Farley new device and although king root said it didn't have a root method I was able to continue and get root on a Verizon without tripping Knox so see no reason it would on the note 5
Tried it and it seems it does not work. Seemed to good to be true
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why not just trip the knox and use google pay or other services out there? for me rooting and being able to customize and overclock is the priority than samsung pay..ill just use google pay instead
Having to switch kernals everytime i need to use gearvr is whats kinda stopping me. Also i thought android pay now detects all root even "systemless"
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I checked around 9pm here in SoCal and to my pleasant surprise, Samsung Pay was live and ready to go. I added my Amex card & the process was super simple. Cant wait to try it out!
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does it allow fingerprint security?
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The only benefit I can think of is the magnetic swipe spoofing.
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does it allow fingerprint security?
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Yes. You're given a choice between fingerprint and pin.
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optimummind said:
Yes. You're given a choice between fingerprint and pin.
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sweet! unfortunately, it's currently only avail to ATT, T-Mo, Sprint and US Cellular. I have an international version. poo...
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root
Does not work if rooted.. and even if you unroot it still will not work!
Back to android pay for me
Anthony1708 said:
Does not work if rooted.. and even if you unroot it still will not work!
Back to android pay for me
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Is your knox counter tripped?
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Is your knox counter tripped?
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Yes, I rooted when root first became available. If there is way to reset Knox counter I'd give that a try. Not sure if that is possible or not?
What cards have been working for you guys? None of my debit cards are available to add yet
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Yes, I rooted when root first became available. If there is way to reset Knox counter I'd give that a try. Not sure if that is possible or not?
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Nope. There's no way. I'm rooted, but my Knox counter is still at 0x0. Well, we now know, rooted and 0x1 doesn't work for Samsung Pay. Hopefully someone who is rooted and haven't had there Knox counter tripped yet try Samsung Pay. I'm hoping that'll work.
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Yes, I rooted when root first became available. If there is way to reset Knox counter I'd give that a try. Not sure if that is possible or not?
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No way to reset the counter unfortunately.. I conned Sprint into replacing my phone so that I could give it a try.
Not a single one of my debit or credit cards work. I use a credit union and my PayPal credit card won't work either. Bummer.
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I used Samsung Pay for the first time today at a CVS and it worked like a charm. The MST transmission was quickly recognized by the self-checkout machine and it was faster than me taking out the card, swiping it, and putting it back in my pocket.
The most amusing part of my experience was the surprise and delight from the cashier. He was like, "Hey, my iPhone didn't work. How come yours did? What phone do you have?"
My answer: "Only on the Samsung Galaxy." ?
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I have 4 credit cards and Samsung Pay didn't accept any of them, Android Pay took 1. No longer concerned about tripping Knox for SP and no way am I turning on screen lock for AP that took a card I almost never use.
I used Samsung Pay successully at Costco and H-Mart, a Korean supermarket chain. The cashier at H-Mart, when she saw me draw the phone toward the old swipe reader, said phone payments don't work. Then she was all smiles in amazement after the transaction went through. I love it!
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So far, Samsung Pay has been a lot of fun using, mostly due to the cashiers' funny and surprised reactions. I've so far used it successfully at Walmart, Target, Smart & Final, H-Mart, Costco, CVS, and Autozone. Only place it failed was TJ Maxx. I don't know why b/c they used the same Verifone terminal as Smart & Final.
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Im having fun with it also! Most people say Sorry we dont accept apple pay... I always say No worries I dont use Iphone ha ha
Goofypook said:
No way to reset the counter unfortunately.. I conned Sprint into replacing my phone so that I could give it a try.
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What you say was wrong with your phone? For them to swap it out I want to know
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What you say was wrong with your phone? For them to swap it out I want to know
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Needless to say, the folks that work in the sprint store are Morons! I unrooted my phone and removed all root related apps from my phone. I told them that i had been on the phone with customer service and they had me do every test known to man with no luck, including a factory reset. I also told them that I called samsung and they couldnt figure it out either.. After tinking with it for a minute the sprint guy was stumped... I told him that I googled to see if I could find a solution but all I found was that Samsung Pay would not work if modifications were made to the phone... I played extremely stupid and said im not exactly sure what all that means, but the only thing ive done to my phone is add my apps, change the wall paper, and do all the tinkering that customer service had me do...
Well with all of that they asked if they could put in a work ticket and mess with it for a while... I told them sure. When I came back for my phone they had NO clue why and they said it must be a software issue and swapped out the phone...
Using Samsung pay to this day, and it is AWESOME!
-Excuse all the typos- im rushing and not in the mood to correct any errors.... Goodluck
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Needless to say, the folks that work in the sprint store are Morons! I unrooted my phone and removed all root related apps from my phone. I told them that i had been on the phone with customer service and they had me do every test known to man with no luck, including a factory reset. I also told them that I called samsung and they couldnt figure it out either.. After tinking with it for a minute the sprint guy was stumped... I told him that I googled to see if I could find a solution but all I found was that Samsung Pay would not work if modifications were made to the phone... I played extremely stupid and said im not exactly sure what all that means, but the only thing ive done to my phone is add my apps, change the wall paper, and do all the tinkering that customer service had me do...
Well with all of that they asked if they could put in a work ticket and mess with it for a while... I told them sure. When I came back for my phone they had NO clue why and they said it must be a software issue and swapped out the phone...
Using Samsung pay to this day, and it is AWESOME!
-Excuse all the typos- im rushing and not in the mood to correct any errors.... Goodluck
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It is not anyone's fault but your own. When you rooted you tripped Knox. Stop blaming Samsung and Sprint employees. You should have done your research. You will never be able to use Samsung pay with that device.
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How soon do you think it could take someone or anyone to gain root on the S7 or S7Edge? I'm in no hurry but down the road say a month or 2 after the release if there is a root I would like to try. I have a Note 4 and after I root I lost Knox. I wonder if that will happen this time around.
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How soon do you think it could take someone or anyone to gain root on the S7 or S7Edge? I'm in no hurry but down the road say a month or 2 after the release if there is a root I would like to try. I have a Note 4 and after I root I lost Knox. I wonder if that will happen this time around.
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Just as soon as someone injects root into the stock kernel through the ramdisk....
The Sickness said:
Just as soon as someone injects root into the stock kernel through the ramdisk....
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So looking forward to that. Now just waiting on that S7 I ordered to ship. Hope to see some Sickness Roms for it soon lol
Corwinder said:
So looking forward to that. Now just waiting on that S7 I ordered to ship. Hope to see some Sickness Roms for it soon lol
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Ehhh.....be awhile before I upgrade. I mean I could pay mine off real fast and make the 'ole lady mad as hell.......naw, dont need that kinda drama over a phone lol
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Ehhh.....be awhile before I upgrade. I mean I could pay mine off real fast and make the 'ole lady mad as hell.......naw, dont need that kinda drama over a phone lol
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lol understandable. I'm gonna have to pay mine off real fast so I can turn around and get one for my ole lady. She wanted an S7 as soon as I told her they did away with that cover over the charging port the S5 has.
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How soon do you think it could take someone or anyone to gain root on the S7 or S7Edge? I'm in no hurry but down the road say a month or 2 after the release if there is a root I would like to try. I have a Note 4 and after I root I lost Knox. I wonder if that will happen this time around.
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It took 2 days for the Note 5 on Tmob. There was some great guys working on it.
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Hopefully there will be a full root method that doesn't trip knox. Let's pray on that.
undercover nerd said:
Hopefully there will be a full root method that doesn't trip knox. Let's pray on that.
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fingers crossed for this!! S7 W/ Root & Samsung Pay = PERFECTION
undercover nerd said:
Hopefully there will be a full root method that doesn't trip knox. Let's pray on that.
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https://twitter.com/arter97_dev/status/694190566733586432
https://twitter.com/arter97_dev/status/694190587327569920
https://twitter.com/arter97_dev/status/694190602548719617
https://twitter.com/arter97_dev/status/694190883294416898
I guess the same applies for the GS7.
I would just like root to remove some of the bloat. I have heard that they didn't mess with the OS as much as they have in the past. I would like to be able to use Samsung/android pay, also be nice if someone could enable the adaptable storage of Marshmallow, can't believe they disabled that.
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https://twitter.com/arter97_dev/status/694190566733586432
https://twitter.com/arter97_dev/status/694190587327569920
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I guess the same applies for the GS7.
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It does. Make no mistake, root on the S7 = tripping Knox. Personally, this doesn't bother me, but if people are buying this phone hoping they can have root and maintain the Knox flag, especially those in territories that support Samsung Pay, they will be disappointed.
root would be great, unfortunately I bought the Verizon version knowing I'll never get root, like my poor note 4 here who all i can do is use a debloater script ?
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Was the s6 rooted without tripping knox?
To begin with it was. But then Samsung published an update and closed the exploit that allowed it.
I just want root and don't care about tripping Knox because in Britain and the rest of the E.U it's illegal for them to cancel the warranty just for rooting.
The annoying thing is getting root normally requires a phone wipe. Until Android catches up and all apps are backed up, this is a huge pain
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The annoying thing is getting root normally requires a phone wipe.
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Only if the bootloader is locked. It's the unlocking of the bootloader, which is required to root the phone, which wipes the phone, not the rooting process itself.
In the UK Samsung phones never come with a locked bootloader (to my knowledge anyway, at least none of mine have) so rooting never involves wiping the phone thankfully.
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Only if the bootloader is locked. It's the unlocking of the bootloader, which is required to root the phone, which wipes the phone, not the rooting process itself.
In the UK Samsung phones never come with a locked bootloader (to my knowledge anyway, at least none of mine have) so rooting never involves wiping the phone thankfully.
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Does the TMOUS one come locked or unlocked?
Almost certainly locked.
T-Mobile phones come with an unlocked bootloader.