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I'm torn.... Lil help

Current note 3 owner and just got an invite from a friend.
Debating on jumping into this device and was wondering what everyone's opinion is by comparison?
I have a tmobile note 3, unlocked & rooted running wicked rom with aosp theme.
My most important factors are battery & camera.
Thanks

FormeriPhoney said:
Current note 3 owner and just got an invite from a friend.
Debating on jumping into this device and was wondering what everyone's opinion is by comparison?
I have a tmobile note 3, unlocked & rooted running wicked rom with aosp theme.
My most important factors are battery & camera.
Thanks
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I have the exact same Note III running Tweaked and the same theme.
The battery on the OnePlus One crushes my Note III, as for the camera...well it's about a tie. I do miss eraser mode from my Note III bit not enough to start using it again.
I've had my OnePlus One for about two months now and my poor Note III just sits on my desk. I just updated it to the latest Tweaked the other day but it still just sits there.
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bp328i said:
I have the exact same Note III running Tweaked and the same theme.
The battery on the OnePlus One crushes my Note III, as for the camera...well it's about a tie. I do miss eraser mode from my Note III bit not enough to start using it again.
I've had my OnePlus One for about two months now and my poor Note III just sits on my desk. I just updated it to the latest Tweaked the other day but it still just sits there.
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Good to know man thanks. I might pick it up and then jump on the note 4 in a few months.

I jumped from a note 3 just last week and got the phone last night. So far I'm loving it way more than my note. Granted, I was on the att note 3 so I didn't have an unlocked bootloader. But build wise I think this phone feels better in my hand than the note did.
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Note 3 is better all in all. And the battery is better and the camera.

I'm not sure why people ask these questions, there's no real answer, only opinions.
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I'm not sure why people ask these questions, there's no real answer, only opinions.
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That's why if you spent the 3 seconds to read the OP I asked for everyone's "opinion" not a definitive answer

FormeriPhoney said:
That's why if you spent the 3 seconds to read the OP I asked for everyone's "opinion" not a definitive answer
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I read the OP, I still fall to see the point. As you can see you get one guy saying 'X' is better and another guy saying 'Y' is better. In the end you get no useful information and you need to make the decision for yourself.
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I read the OP, I still fall to see the point. As you can see you get one guy saying 'X' is better and another guy saying 'Y' is better. In the end you get no useful information and you need to make the decision for yourself.
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I can see the point, it's kind of like bouncing an idea off of someone.
Sure he was probably already leaning one way or another but the majority of people seem to agree and resonate with his opinion, so that's the choice he's choosing. Had they not agreed, maybe he wouldn't have or maybe he would, either way he'd probably feel better that 'some' people see it the same as him.
That's my thoughts anyway, I like reading these, as long as they aren't huge lol. I think they serve a good enough purpose for the people creating them.
But that's just my opinion
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georgebest said:
Note 3 is better all in all. And the battery is better and the camera.
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I have both an international note 3 and a Oneplus one.
The Oneplus camera is better in low light.
Oneplus battery subjectively seems slightly better due to less bloatware apps running in the background.
The Oneplus firmware is also much smoother again due to lack of bloat.
Only real advantage of note 3 is the pen itself so if you don't need that I'd go for it.
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I'm in the same position op. So i appreciate the constructive answers within your thread.
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I also have Note 3 T mobile running Tweaked. Love it. I did have a Oneplus One as well. I also liked that one. I had to send it back however as my volume keys did not work. Actually right now, I am trying to decide if I want to try with another one or not. I really liked the phone. My main concern, and it is a big one, is that I might get another bum device from OnePlus. It took one month, literally, to get approval to send my last device back for refund. If I get another bad one, I don't know if I wanna deal with that, again. I am still waiting on the refund too by the way, but should have that this week.
The phones are both great, but I think you gotta consider the customer support too here. Supposedly OP is working on that aspect though, but I haven't seen it yet.
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IMO after messing around alot with my freind's note 3 and owning a opo, if i had to compare i would say they are about equal,both have their advantages.

I still have my Note 3 with me as a development phone. As I still have KNOX 0x0 and am not binded to any bootloader lock, I just flash everything on my Note 3/install everything on my Note 3 first before my OPO.
In my opinion, the camera is WAY better on the OPO. The focus and the clarity of the lens is far superior than the dumbed down, slow focusing, Note 3 camera. Try this with your Note 3: Put your finger 10cm away from the camera and try focusing on just the finger with a bunch of paper in the background. This takes around 5-7 tap to focuses compared to OPO's 1-2 taps. I am using the same camera apk file to compare - Google Camera, however no difference when using TW camera and/or CM Camera.
The screen is the only thing you would miss your Note 3 for. The screen on the OPO looks a bit washed out compared to the dense blacks and the vibrant colors. OPO still has great viewing angles, but you're comparing a JDI with an AMOLED - two different technologies.
The OPO has eMMC v5.0 which means faster data speeds compared to the Note 3.
Sound, not really much of a difference. The fact that there's two speakers on the OPO vs. the only one speaker on the Note 3 shouldn't be a deciding factor as the speaker on the OPO isn't running on real stereo but dual mono.
Front facing camera bump up to 5MP is better for those selfie-lovers. Not my thing but if it's yours, then go ahead.
When holding the device, I feel like holding the Note 3 with a full aluminium bumper and an aluminium battery cover actually FEELS NICER than the OPO, as the OPO's thin profile more heightened design feels more delicate to the touch. The OPO definitely feels more premium than the Note 3, as the Note 3 feels like you can break/cause damage to any bit of the phone (screen movement in/out, home button alignment issue/unresponsive click, S Pen slot crack, etc) but with the OPO you have a more sleek profile with a more premium feel.
My 0.02$

nicholaschum said:
I still have my Note 3 with me as a development phone. As I still have KNOX 0x0 and am not binded to any bootloader lock, I just flash everything on my Note 3/install everything on my Note 3 first before my OPO.
In my opinion, the camera is WAY better on the OPO. The focus and the clarity of the lens is far superior than the dumbed down, slow focusing, Note 3 camera. Try this with your Note 3: Put your finger 10cm away from the camera and try focusing on just the finger with a bunch of paper in the background. This takes around 5-7 tap to focuses compared to OPO's 1-2 taps. I am using the same camera apk file to compare - Google Camera, however no difference when using TW camera and/or CM Camera.
The screen is the only thing you would miss your Note 3 for. The screen on the OPO looks a bit washed out compared to the dense blacks and the vibrant colors. OPO still has great viewing angles, but you're comparing a JDI with an AMOLED - two different technologies.
The OPO has eMMC v5.0 which means faster data speeds compared to the Note 3.
Sound, not really much of a difference. The fact that there's two speakers on the OPO vs. the only one speaker on the Note 3 shouldn't be a deciding factor as the speaker on the OPO isn't running on real stereo but dual mono.
Front facing camera bump up to 5MP is better for those selfie-lovers. Not my thing but if it's yours, then go ahead.
When holding the device, I feel like holding the Note 3 with a full aluminium bumper and an aluminium battery cover actually FEELS NICER than the OPO, as the OPO's thin profile more heightened design feels more delicate to the touch. The OPO definitely feels more premium than the Note 3, as the Note 3 feels like you can break/cause damage to any bit of the phone (screen movement in/out, home button alignment issue/unresponsive click, S Pen slot crack, etc) but with the OPO you have a more sleek profile with a more premium feel.
My 0.02$
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Greatest post ever man. Thanks a million

[REVIEW] Sharp Aquos Crystal X (402SH)

There is very little talk of this device on Xda, other than some mentions here and there on the regular Crystal forums.
Also, I have not yet seen any english speaking people giving a review of it on Youtube (or anywhere else for that matter). So far it has just been hands-on at Sharp stands and such.
I therefore thought it might be of interest to some, that I share my experiences.
Now I know this smartphone is not gonna be widely adopted outside of Japan.
Not having cdma or the 800mhz(?) gsm band used in the U.S, it seems silly for anyone to import this back to the the states. Taking into account that you have to add on the cost of getting it sim unlocked, makes it pretty pricey for a high end device (with previous gen "flagship" hardware).
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At the time of writing this, I have only had this device in my possession for two days.
Keep that in mind. I will therefore have problems with assessing battery life and similar things that need a bit more time to be accurately evaluated.
I guess the natural place to start would be:
Appearance
Biggest selling point is of course the edgeless 5.5 inch display.
I previously came from the the M8, before that, Z1.
I love htc's screens (Atleast since the HOX).
We all know the viewing angles of the Z1 (coming from the Z before that, I was stumped that they managed to fail twice on that front), but straight on it has the most natural looking colors of any smartphone I have ever had.
Let's say that the Z1 is at one end of the scale, M8 in the middle, and typical Samsung amoled screens at the other end. The Crystal X would imo fall between the Z1 and the M8, not so far off the htc. It looks the best of the three, and I'm sure that is just because there's more screen to look at
Under
Settings > wallpaper & display > Quality mode
you can choose color modes (Standard quality, Dynamic, Natural, Relax).
I have not had time to scrutinize the differences on a ton of photos and graphics just yet.
I have tried out Dynamic (which is default) and Natural a little. Relax looks absolutely crazy, and makes white and light colors get a sort beige tint.
@ 157 grams, the phone is right in my comfort zone.
Even though there is no metal body, it does not feel plasticky or anything like that.
The power button and the volume rocker are not wobbly, but stiff, and give off nice satisfying clicks.
Being edgeless makes it a bit thicker than the competition these days, but thanks to being rounded at the back, it doesn't feel fat at all (I have turned a little out of shape the last couple of years, maybe I'm projecting my insecurities:laugh
I am going to even out the pattern on the back piece and spray paint it.
Tactile wise I don't feel it being bad or good, but I am doing it for two reasons:
-I like a sleek finish more then patterns
-the camera actually protrudes just a tiny tiny bit. This will hopefully neutralize that "threat", and avoid it being a resting point for the phone.
Innards
I could toss up the numbers here, but that is one google away, so just do that.
Key things to note here would be non-removable battery, and micro sd slot.
The "direct wave receiver... thingy (hell let's just call it a tiny buttkicker) works very well.
I was a tad worried when I read the instructions.
It says something along the lines of "make sure your entire ear covers the glass, to block out surrounding noise and to achieve the best audio experience"
The reality is, you don't even have to be near the screen. I have to actually turn the volume down quite a bit so it don't act as a speakerphone. Not to say it's so loud it's bothersome, or that people will unintentionally eavesdrop 10 feet away though.
If you are out and about in the city, the background noise would even that out easily.
My point is here that my skepticism was merely unfounded.
On to the:
Interaction
I have been running lollipop on my M8 and Nexus 9 for a while now, and liking it I might add. So naturally I would like it to land on the Crystal X as well.
Root is however more important to me right now (this phone badly deserves it)
So we are left with 4.4.4.
It is pretty close to stock. The notification panel looks a bit different.
Weirdly enough, you can't get to the brightness slider unless you go into settings. The brightness tile in the dropdown only gives you four choices (min, med, max and auto).
Rom is snappy, but certain apps introduces micro lags when scrolling.
There are other small features, like swiping from one side to the other on the status bar to take a screenshot or open image viewer.
Many (me included) hate those times when you are looking at media in portrait, and things are askew. So you tilt it just enough to see aaand blammo! auto rotation kicks in.
Grip sensors avoid this from happening.
It's been a while since I've been dependent on the power button for turning the screen on/off (and never going back). The grip sensors are therefore something I think everyone would greet with open arms (or with a firm grip I should say).
Just pick it up, and you're off to the races.
The speaker on the back is fairly loud. Nothing extreme, but well within my expectations.
Camera is something I have yet to fully explore. Looks a little sony-ish (not bad).
Not the fastest shooter, but seems like it takes good pics. I will pit it against my other relevant devices tomorrow.
Will be interesting to see how it fares against the M8 in low light.
In pitch black where you really rely on your flash, I think the Aquos might struggle more, because quite frankly, the flash on this thing is lackluster. Which means it's not a great flashlight either.
The final act:
Conclusion
When you add all that up in a blender, I will gulp it down and ask for seconds.
There is the question of: Will this device ever receive root?
Looking at the Crystal forums, it doesn't reassure me all that much.
One can just hope. I might also consider anteing up a phone and/or cash as a root bounty at some point.
All in all, no big letdowns. My worries were quickly put to rest.
If I had the chance to go back, I would buy it one more time
I hope there are already other owners (or future ones) out there, who stumbles over this thread and can chime in. Maybe we can group together and create a wave.
I will try to take som better photo's of the phone outside in the daytime a little later tomorrow. Also as mentioned, a camera shootout.
So what have we learned today kids?
Don't put Sharp-ie in pooper!

I absolutely love mine as well. I have owned it for 3 days and have been very impressed. My only complaint is that I only get edge and would love to be able to get at least 3g connection. I think it really is one of the nicest phones I have owned and I have owned a lot. I wish we could add radio bands to make the 3g possible. I find the little differences in the software to be nothing more than a little annoying. I actually shut off the swipe to activate feature as I found it always activating when I slipped it into the sleeve.

imapfsr said:
I absolutely love mine as well. I have owned it for 3 days and have been very impressed. My only complaint is that I only get edge and would love to be able to get at least 3g connection. I think it really is one of the nicest phones I have owned and I have owned a lot. I wish we could add radio bands to make the 3g possible. I find the little differences in the software to be nothing more than a little annoying. I actually shut off the swipe to activate feature as I found it always activating when I slipped it into the sleeve.
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EDGE is brutal. I feel for you there.
Hopefully within a short time frame I will be able to test it on LTE-A (4G+), since around these parts they are rolling it out right now to several of the biggest cities here (I live fairly close to the capital).
I was quite busy yesterday, so I have not yet had time to take more photos. Hopefully I will have time a little later today though.

Thanks TS for the review. U got it from benny? . Just got my set yesterday.. Loves it..
.. install apex launcher and everything seen smoothly.

nakedtoes said:
Thanks TS for the review. U got it from benny? . Just got my set yesterday.. Loves it..
.. install apex launcher and everything seen smoothly.
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Yep!
Which color did you get?

benziii said:
Yep!
Which color did you get?
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White... Can't post pic yet lol
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benziii said:
Yep!
Which color did you get?
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imapfsr said:
I absolutely love mine as well. I have owned it for 3 days and have been very impressed. My only complaint is that I only get edge and would love to be able to get at least 3g connection. I think it really is one of the nicest phones I have owned and I have owned a lot. I wish we could add radio bands to make the 3g possible. I find the little differences in the software to be nothing more than a little annoying. I actually shut off the swipe to activate feature as I found it always activating when I slipped it into the sleeve.
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Hi how do u change the 4 menu buttons below to transparent? Thx

nakedtoes said:
Hi how do u change the 4 menu buttons below to transparent? Thx
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I don't think you can. Only seen a setting for changing the spacing.
I just force immersive mode to get rid of it.
I am happy to say that Lmt luncher is working great (V2.4)
This edgeless beauty can't be constrained by ugly black buttons

I use Go Launcher and that way it becomes transparent by default. I can also swipe up and it disappears completely. I can do the same for the notification bar as well.
correction, the 4 icons don't dissappear just the dock icons can.

install latest version of Apex ... thats it..

nakedtoes said:
install latest version of Apex ... thats it..
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Yep, what Im saying is rubbish. I think even one of the default launchers do it.

Find something unusual during charging... I have this orico 4 (2ax2, 1ax2) ports charger that can output 1.1a to 2.0a to my other phones but for this 402sh only max 0.5a. Tried all kind of cables. Then using xiaomi 10400mah power bank can output 1A..

nakedtoes said:
Find something unusual during charging... I have this orico 4 (2ax2, 1ax2) ports charger that can output 1.1a to 2.0a to my other phones but for this 402sh only max 0.5a. Tried all kind of cables. Then using xiaomi 10400mah power bank can output 1A..
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Mine has gone through three different chargers, and they charge much more than 500mah (Logitech 1A, HTC 1.5A, HTC 2A)
Have not even had time to roll back the Z1 and the M8 to stock yet.
Thinking of comparing the three in a couple of scenes in full resolution, 8Mpx, both with their respective cameras and the google camera.
Meanwhile, two quick "glam" shots:

Does anyone know the technical details of the phone?
Like aperture, and if it has ois?

@benziii , does it have the slow-motion (240fps) which is highlighted on the new zeta models ?

Thanks for reviewing this, any chance of a source link?
edit: I found the link; if anyone else want look, here: http://www.softbank.jp/corp/group/sbm/news/press/2014/20141212_01/

Battery life
Guys what is the battery life on the 402sh like? Also this is not hugely important but what is the colour of bezel on the black 402sh? Is it really black? Reason I am asking is Id like to get this in black but when I look at the pictures of the black version, the front still looks whitish to grayish rather than pure black. Can someone please confirm?

Awesome!

I really hoped this phone will get. root, but it seems we have failed to create a wave.
I have seen some websites that demand payments for rooting your device.
I'd like to know if they are reliable at all.

ZeroLemon 9,000 mAh Extended Battery Review

**********Work in progress************
I just received the ZeroLemon 9,000 mAh Extended Battery and Case for the LG V10 today.
I am going to leave a review here and update this as I use it for the first few charges.
Before I start, ZeroLemon did provide me with this extended battery and case for review purposes.
Like all of my reviews, this does not affect my opinions of the product and this will be my honest opinions and thoughts.
I have attached quite a few pictures to this post, however if you would like a different picture, just let me know.
Let me start this by saying, this case big.
You know this already though if you wanted this huge of a battery in your phone.
This case is not quite double the thickness of the phone.
The phone at its thickest point without the case (The camera hump) is 0.417 inch.
The phone with the case on is 0.703 inch.
The case will add 0.286 inch to your phone.
I find this is still pocketable, about the max that I would want to carry in my pocket but I can do it and it does not bother me.
The flaws that I found in the LG G4 case and battery have been addressed this time on the LG V10 case.
The ports at the bottom all have a small lip to prevent dust intrusion.
The sides of this new case are thinner and do not add any bulk to the top, bottom, or sides of the phone.
They have added Fast Charge capabilities to the battery this time around.
With Fast Charge comes huge decrease in charging times on this battery vs the one from the G4.
This is a welcome addition considering the 6 hour charge times of the past.
This case is much like previous ZeroLemon cases in overall design.
The looks are the same while the case seems to be a little softer material this time.
There is quite a bit of internal structure in the top portion of the case that is extended above the buttons to make this case much more solid than previous cases were.
The sides of this case are flush with the screen while the top and bottom both stick up slightly to prevent your screen from ever touching anything should you lay your phone down screen first.
This slight change from previous cases makes a huge difference in the overall feel of the case in a good way.
The ports on this case all line up perfectly, including the opening on the back for the camera and volume/power buttons.
The headphone opening is large enough for me to use all of the headphones that I have.
The USB port is also large enough for me to use all the USB cables I have.
The overall fit of the case is excellent, I for one am glad that they did not release this case until it was perfect.
DAY 1
Battery life so far has been excellent.
First day I have 3 hours screen time and approximately 11 hours of use.
I did have this connected to a moto 360 smartwatch via bluetooth as well as a pair of bluetooth headphones.
I had about 4 hours of music streaming on and off throughout the day.
I have the screen set to 100% and 2 emails, one gmail and one exchange, both set to push.
I have 55 minutes of voice calls today.
I started the day with the battery at 92%.
The battery is now sitting at 68%.
On an day like today my battery would usually have been at about 15% and I would have had to charge when I got home or swap a battery out.
I do not think it is possible to kill this battery in one day.
If I had had the screen set to auto brightness I would easily get double the screen on time.
DAY 2
Battery life is still excellent, better than the first day.
Ended the day wit 72% remaining.
75 minutes of phone calls.
3.2 hours screen on time.
DAY 3
Battery life is getting better still
Ended today with 75% remaining.
78 minutes of phone calls.
3.2 hours of screen on time.
I will hold off on updates for a few days.
So far usage is steadily improving over what I had already considered excellent.
I will update this again in a week or two with detailed stats.
I will update this section as I use the phone over the next few days and charge cycles.
So far the battery arrived with 56% charge.
I installed the battery in my phone and put the case on it and plugged it in to charge in a Quick Charge 2.0 charger.
It charged to 100% in approximately 45 minutes.
This is the first charge and I let it charge for an additional 12 hours as stated in the instructions.
I do not think it actually takes that long, however it is what is recommended so I will do it.
ZeroLemon recommends to allow 5 to 6 full charge cycles to achieve optimal performance.
I will come back and update this review after 6 full charge cycles with battery stats then.
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Amazon Link (Currently Sold Out as of 3/9, was $59.99)
**So far I have one day usage reported, I will continue to update this for a while or as long as people ask for updates.**
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Can the sd card be removed without removing the battery?
I'm getting pretty excited here! As soon as I come up with some creative bookkeeping I'm going to order one of these! (hopefully they're back in stock soon)
Sent from my pretty nifty brand new LG V10

How's button access? Is it awkward to use? How about the fingerprint sensor?
Thanks for the in-depth review and pictures.
Sent from my BlackBerry Venice

planetbeen said:
Can the sd card be removed without removing the battery?
I'm getting pretty excited here! As soon as I come up with some creative bookkeeping I'm going to order one of these! (hopefully they're back in stock soon)
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Yes the SD card can be removed without removing the battery, you would still need to shut off the phone first I would assume.
joshm.1219 said:
How's button access? Is it awkward to use? How about the fingerprint sensor?
Thanks for the in-depth review and pictures.
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You are welcome, I will update it tomorrow after work.
Button access is better than I expected.
The sides of the opening are slanted so your finger is sort of pushed right where it needs to go.
For the fingerprint sensor... I have the T-Mobile version and do not have the update that fixes the fingerprint sensor.
So you still have to be touching the metal edges for it to work right on mine.
However the if I flex the side of the case a little I can get my finger on the metal edge of the phone and it works perfect.
I would assume once I update my phone to fix the sensor there would be no issues at all.
If you have a version that does have the update for the fingerprint sensor it will work perfect for you.

What about photos? Does the case interfere with the autofocus, or does it cause the flash to interfere with the picture?
Sent from my LG-H901 using Tapatalk

Hi, thank you for review, can you please shoot a photo side by side (I know it needs work but appreciate) with and without the case to see the real thickness of the device with the battery.
Thank you for the effort.

toastido said:
What about photos? Does the case interfere with the autofocus, or does it cause the flash to interfere with the picture?
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I did not notice any issues with it, I will check again today after work.
fethi2 said:
Hi, thank you for review, can you please shoot a photo side by side (I know it needs work but appreciate) with and without the case to see the real thickness of the device with the battery.
Thank you for the effort.
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I will try, but it will be difficult to get both items to scale. I do have a caliper that I can actually measure both with and give the measurements.

fethi2 said:
Hi, thank you for review, can you please shoot a photo side by side (I know it needs work but appreciate) with and without the case to see the real thickness of the device with the battery.
Thank you for the effort.
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Updated the original post with measurements via caliper.
The phone at its thickest point without the case (The camera hump) is 0.417 inch.
The phone with the case on is 0.703 inch.
The case will add 0.286 inch to your phone.

Thanks checked it out. :highfive:
Milimbar said:
Updated the original post with measurements via caliper.
The phone at its thickest point without the case (The camera hump) is 0.417 inch.
The phone with the case on is 0.703 inch.
The case will add 0.286 inch to your phone.
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Milimbar said:
Yes the SD card can be removed without removing the battery, you would still need to shut off the phone first I would assume.
You are welcome, I will update it tomorrow after work.
Button access is better than I expected.
The sides of the opening are slanted so your finger is sort of pushed right where it needs to go.
For the fingerprint sensor... I have the T-Mobile version and do not have the update that fixes the fingerprint sensor.
So you still have to be touching the metal edges for it to work right on mine.
However the if I flex the side of the case a little I can get my finger on the metal edge of the phone and it works perfect.
I would assume once I update my phone to fix the sensor there would be no issues at all.
If you have a version that does have the update for the fingerprint sensor it will work perfect for you.
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I have the AT&T and it has been updated. The fingerprint scanner seems to work even better. I get a lot faster response from it.

yuppy for about 5 minutes they had 5 available and was able to order one, now its sold out again

Got mine yesterday. Charged 12 hours overnight and put it in this morning at 07:40. It's now 09:02 so coming up on 1.5 hours and I am down to 73%. I hope the % is way off if not I got a lemon. Probably 1 hour screen on time
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Is this their regular case or a ZeroShock Case?
How do feel about the texture of the outter cover? Does it feel slippery? Or real "grippy"

I am getting very similar results. I posted about it in the other thread but I'm thinking maybe we need to calibrate the battery? I just don't know how. But yea... I'm getting pretty much normal battery life.
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Got mine yesterday. Charged 12 hours overnight and put it in this morning at 07:40. It's now 09:02 so coming up on 1.5 hours and I am down to 73%. I hope the % is way off if not I got a lemon. Probably 1 hour screen on time
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I am getting very similar results. I posted about it in the other thread but I'm thinking maybe we need to calibrate the battery? I just don't know how. But yea... I'm getting pretty much normal battery life.
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Well, now it's 13:25 and I am down to 15% left. With the normal battery I would be around 40 at this time..
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Phone died at 1500 so got 7.5 hours out a 9000mah battery.. Lol
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You got a zero lemon [emoji6] waiting for mine now
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Phone died at 1500 so got 7.5 hours out a 9000mah battery.. Lol
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I would contact ZeroLemon, because I got 32 hours out of mine.. And I don't gimp my phone, full bright and everything on.

I'm curious if you have the standalone LG battery charger, does the ZL battery fit or would the cover flap need to be removed?
If you do and it does fit I'd appreciate a pic!
I don't see myself needing two ZL batteries, but it would be nice to know if it's still a good charging option without having to modify.
Based on your photos it looks like it could possibly just fit or be a slight squeeze.
Thanks!

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I'm curious if you have the standalone LG battery charger, does the ZL battery fit or would the cover flap need to be removed?
If you do and it does fit I'd appreciate a pic!
I don't see myself needing two ZL batteries, but it would be nice to know if it's still a good charging option without having to modify.
Based on your photos it looks like it could possibly just fit or be a slight squeeze.
Thanks!
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Yep. It fits without any modifications. Just won't close, obviously. Did it on my initial charge so I didn't have to stay tethered to the wall for 12 hours.

Just checked out S8 and LG G6 at the AT&T Store, tough choice

Went to AT&T store this morning to take a look at both phones. The S8 looks like a longer Note 7 without the home button. I have sort of mixed feelings about the S8 after about 8 mins playing with it. Sure it's the most powerful phone right now but I don't think it's the only thing that matters. Playing around the rom itself, it wasn't that much different than the S7 Edge. I think Samsung is dumbing down the phone too much, it's loosing more customizeability unless we root and run custom roms on it. The screen doesn't look much different than S7 Edge except longer and the on-screen has a haptic sensor under neath just like the iPhone 7. The camera looks and perform just like the S7 Edge which is bit disappointing the next gen device with same current gen camera. Overall it's thinner, the side round edges are very thin so why bother having curved screen when it's just tiny edges. Makes the side bar notifications less useful just merely small tiny edge buttons. I took a few photo shots, the AF sensor behaves just like the S7 Edge. No noticeable difference. I tried to customize the navigation buttons, there are locked down no way to customize the buttons like LG could do to some degree and OnePlus phones.
On to the G6, it's vastly different than the G5 which is a good thing. It looks and feels sort of like the Samsung Galaxy A7 but taller and thinner. The screen has warmer colors than the S8, standard SLCD display. The ROM feels pretty well organized, more vibrant theme than the dark cool S8 theme. I think overall this is a pretty good phone too if the price is right. It feels pretty good quality compare to the G5. I saw Pocketnow's review of the G6 and I agree, this phone's camera is a winner. Blows away the S8 camera in quality, features, and performance. That wide angle camera rocks. The AF locking speed is amazing and not a single blurry shot even with the default ISO and constantly moving around. I took similar shots with the S8 and got more blurry pics due to the slower AF lock..
Now the question will be whether the S8 package beats out the G6. Probably because Samsung often packs good hardware with so-so bloated software. Don't care much about docking to get DEX. Have plenty of powerful laptops at home here.
So before anyone preorder, go and try it out for yourself if you have the S7 Edge right now you might want to wait for the Note 8 or something else. I don't see any huge upgrade over it. LG G5 owners should definitely upgrade.

Any idea how the LGs are root-wise? I'm not holding out much hope for Samsung. I can't go back to a locked bootloader. I just can't.

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Any idea how the LGs are root-wise? I'm not holding out much hope for Samsung. I can't go back to a locked bootloader. I just can't.
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I had the G5 on Sprint & the bootloader was locked down. Someone did manage to get root access using a modified aboot but it was only for an earlier Marshmallow firmware & you had to do so much workarounds just to have basic stuff working & imo it just wasn't worth it.
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The sensor is NOT the same on S8/S8+ as S7/S7 Edge...

It's true the S8 & Plus do have different sensors & much like on the S7 & Edge they will either have the Sony Sensor or the icocell, but both are equally as good according to reports.
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I have the LG V20, and had considered the G6 without actually seeing it, but then I saw the S8+ and knew it was for me. After that, I did make my way into Tmo store, and i saw the G6 and was quite unimpressed.
If i had to choose between the G6 and my existing V20, its the V20 all day.
between both of those and the S8+... well I pre-ordered the S8+

My experience with LG has been worse reception than almost every phone on the market for some reason. That is why I tend to not go with them. The last LG phone I had was the v10. I know my brother had the same experience.
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I've also compared my S7E with S8+ today. In my opinion S8+ is a massive downgrade. The phone is much taller but bottom bezel+onscreen buttons together take more space than S7E bezel with buttons ca 2mm!!! The remaining part of the screen shows the same amount of data like S7E. Fingerprint scanner- I've got big hands but there is no way to use it without second hand- so if you are on the tube or similar and no free hand you can forget about using it. Aspect ratio 18.5:9 looks sooooo stupid!!!- Samsung took 'samsung' badge from the front- very well done but because of this aspect ratio ruined it massively. S7E black with chrome sides looks so cool compare to S8+ 'JETBLACK'- instead of stealing swipe left&right to go back and forward from apple they absorbed 'JET BLACK' crap colour-WTF. And the last thing- if you buy S8+ make sure you've got nail file so you can get rid of the stupid bixby button- what a crap!!! So like always nice phone every second release...

You can't go wrong with either one but one thing I noticed in the store is that the G6 didn't get very bright just like my V20. Samsung has been the king of screens for the past couple of years.

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I've also compared my S7E with S8+ today. In my opinion S8+ is a massive downgrade. The phone is much taller but bottom bezel+onscreen buttons together take more space than S7E bezel with buttons ca 2mm!!! The remaining part of the screen shows the same amount of data like S7E. Fingerprint scanner- I've got big hands but there is no way to use it without second hand- so if you are on the tube or similar and no free hand you can forget about using it. Aspect ratio 18.5:9 looks sooooo stupid!!!- Samsung took 'samsung' badge from the front- very well done but because of this aspect ratio ruined it massively. S7E black with chrome sides looks so cool compare to S8+ 'JETBLACK'- instead of stealing swipe left&right to go back and forward from apple they absorbed 'JET BLACK' crap colour-WTF. And the last thing- if you buy S8+ make sure you've got nail file so you can get rid of the stupid bixby button- what a crap!!! So like always nice phone every second release...
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go and moan somewhere else pal, op was trying to compare g6 to s8... not s7e to s8 plus, if ur happy with ur s7... stop messing abt in s8 forums

The S8 has Canon duel pixel tech. It is not the same as the S7's camera, and LG G6 doesn't have nearly as many features. SD 821 vs 835....um... 835 please. Somewhat Decent VR.....Bixby thats has better features than Google assitant....
the S8 won this year, much like the s7 won me over the g5 last year. and I own both a g5 and s7....
Also...come in...LG's last 2 flagships had massive issues with boot failures. My LG G5 (and I'm a LG rep at my store) and it failed twiced.

I was at a verizon store earlier today, and she said that they've only sold 2 of the G6's so far. That seems pretty underwhelming to me. Then again, "most" people go there to get iPhones, but I just thought it would sell better than that. Thusly, why I'm posting here now lol.

I wish they would just go back to flat screens. I recently got a steal on a s7edge. It's a decent phone and the best battery life I have had on any phone. I do hate the curved screen. Thought I would get used to it, but nope. I heard it's less on the s8 hence me checking it out here soon, but I still have my N5 I use on wifi for home use and its to date my favorite phone. Unfortunately seems the note series is going mildly to the curved screen as well.
Maybe I'll check out the g6 while I am there. Or to heck with it, I might just get the blackberry Keyone! I do miss my physical keyboard, even after all these years.
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Not sure about dumbing down the customization. Have you seen the theme store?
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I was at a verizon store earlier today, and she said that they've only sold 2 of the G6's so far. That seems pretty underwhelming to me. Then again, "most" people go there to get iPhones, but I just thought it would sell better than that. Thusly, why I'm posting here now lol.
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when I went to the T-Mobile store to pay off my V20, so I could pre-order the S8+, they had a G6 on display, and that was the first time I had seen it out. I asked the lady if it was selling, and she said she has not sold a single one.
it was nice but, if I had to choose between my V20 and the G6, I would keep the V20. Now i just can't wait for my S8+

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I've also compared my S7E with S8+ today. In my opinion S8+ is a massive downgrade. The phone is much taller but bottom bezel+onscreen buttons together take more space than S7E bezel with buttons ca 2mm!!! The remaining part of the screen shows the same amount of data like S7E. Fingerprint scanner- I've got big hands but there is no way to use it without second hand- so if you are on the tube or similar and no free hand you can forget about using it. Aspect ratio 18.5:9 looks sooooo stupid!!!- Samsung took 'samsung' badge from the front- very well done but because of this aspect ratio ruined it massively. S7E black with chrome sides looks so cool compare to S8+ 'JETBLACK'- instead of stealing swipe left&right to go back and forward from apple they absorbed 'JET BLACK' crap colour-WTF. And the last thing- if you buy S8+ make sure you've got nail file so you can get rid of the stupid bixby button- what a crap!!! So like always nice phone every second release...
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The on-screen buttons can be removed by installing nova launcher, turning the dock off, and handling everything with gestures. The screen area is only limited if you leave the default touchwiz launcher. Gotta think outside the box sometimes.

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The on-screen buttons can be removed by installing nova launcher, turning the dock off, and handling everything with gestures. The screen area is only limited if you leave the default touchwiz launcher. Gotta think outside the box sometimes.
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haha well hard for some to do that xd,

JesseMT4G said:
I wish they would just go back to flat screens. I recently got a steal on a s7edge. It's a decent phone and the best battery life I have had on any phone. I do hate the curved screen. Thought I would get used to it, but nope. I heard it's less on the s8 hence me checking it out here soon, but I still have my N5 I use on wifi for home use and its to date my favorite phone. Unfortunately seems the note series is going mildly to the curved screen as well.
Maybe I'll check out the g6 while I am there. Or to heck with it, I might just get the blackberry Keyone! I do miss my physical keyboard, even after all these years.
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I am worried about the curved screens too. The drop tests results on youtube arent too encouraging. But after the Note 7 went back and I am back to using my Note 4, I guess I will just have to put it in what I call a Brick case lol.

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The on-screen buttons can be removed by installing nova launcher, turning the dock off, and handling everything with gestures. The screen area is only limited if you leave the default touchwiz launcher. Gotta think outside the box sometimes.
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Buaaaaa I don't care about buttons on home screen, what about the buttons while mail is running or other apps? Is Nova working globally? What a ridiculous idea.
Thinking outside of the box hahaha
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Don't buy the hype go try out the device out. The only thing I am seeing is this is an evolutionary​ step from the Note 7. They're trying to push it with a big PR to fix the note 7 debacle. Will they sell 70mil units? Hard to say since there are too many competition this year. Pixel 2, OnePlus, etc. I am gonna wait for Note 8 and hoping for none curve screen. It's a liability for me.

General First impressions

As per a request for first impressions in another thread, here you go...
Pre ordered a 256gb in green directly from Samsung in the UK. It arrived early yesterday after a surprise email saying it would come a week early. Spent Friday setting up so today was the first real day of use. Still updating apps and extra logins etc but I feel I have a decent idea how it will go as I move from a Note 10+.
Thoughts...
1. Packaging - nicely done and a little quirky. Adds to the event
2. Build quality-feels amazingly well screwed together. The hinge is absolutely solid and tight. No worries at all. The device feels light and is very easy to hold. It is an absolute delight to make calls from, the slightly narrow frame makes it so easy to hold in the hand for extended periods both for calls and screen use.
3. The crease - you can absolutely see it and feel it. After 10 min, honestly, you just don't notice it at all and if you do, it reminds you that you have a phone that folds in half!
4. Speed-it feels rapid and smooth. The 120hz is definitely noticeable and there is no lag at all
5. Battery - it is still optimising so hopefully it will adapt and improve. It came off charge at 7.00am today at 100% and went back on at 8pm with 10% left. This was with 30 min Bluetooth music, 2 hrs browsing, 30 mins gaming, 2 calls about 10 min each and around 50 messages through the day with 10 photos as I played with the camera (director mode?!). Also had a smartwatch bluetoothed all day too. About 5% an hour seems about what I saw today There is no way it will ever go from getting up to going to sleep without a top up but I expected this and am okay with it. To be honest, the note 10 + struggled with similar usage some days. Looks like about 1hr 25 to fill up again from 10% with a fast cabled charge.
6. Setting up - the transfer software is spookily good and it still feels like magic when your old phone home screen appears on your new device
7. Folding - it is a novelty I don't feel will wear off soon.... set mine to answer and end calls as I open and close and the satisfaction is just brilliant. No idea why and can't really explain, it just feels right.
8. Cover screen - far more readable than I thought and is great for checking notifications and dismissing them. I can definitely see the way it will work. Imagine mid range smartwatch abilities on the outside of the phone and you get an idea what it will do. It does more than enough and it doesn't need to do more.
9. Case-Samsung leather in green. Fits great, does what you want it to, will keep it safe enough. Looks really boring. Will probably change it when I get chance for something more in keeping with a fun phone
10. Regrets - yesterday I was a bit unsure, by the end of today I am completely converted and wouldn't dream of sending it back. Amazed.... it feels like a half a dozen steps forward over the note10+ in so many ways.
11. Other people - be prepared for other people to want to hold it and fold it....
Hope this helps someone and happy to try and answer questions if I can

Thanks for the review. I'm coming from a note 9 so looking forward to small form.factor.
Glad to hea opening and closing can answer/hangup calls. I assumed it would bt haven't found anyone mention it.
Regarding the leather case, does it make it much thicker? Does it feel like a thick wallet?

senergy said:
Thanks for the review. I'm coming from a note 9 so looking forward to small form.factor.
Glad to hea opening and closing can answer/hangup calls. I assumed it would bt haven't found anyone mention it.
Regarding the leather case, does it make it much thicker? Does it feel like a thick wallet?
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It isn't a thick case at all and really doesn't add much to the phone, it is maybe 1 - 2mm at most. It is very well made and feels good, I just find the green colour s bit boring

senergy said:
Thanks for the review. I'm coming from a note 9 so looking forward to small form.factor.
Glad to hea opening and closing can answer/hangup calls. I assumed it would bt haven't found anyone mention it.
Regarding the leather case, does it make it much thicker? Does it feel like a thick wallet?
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The setting is in the call settings rather than the main setting menu. Took me a little while to find it
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Jealous you received your early. However, what a great little review of what to expect! Thanks.

Loving my flip 3 but have a issue when it comes to using android auto, keeps disconnecting and crashes.
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kedge said:
Loving my flip 3 but have a issue when it comes to using android auto, keeps disconnecting and crashes.
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Seems to be fine on my Mégane 2019. I know this doesn't help you though.
Just for info really. Maybe try the beta version?

kedge said:
Loving my flip 3 but have a issue when it comes to using android auto, keeps disconnecting and crashes.
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I have a 2018 skoda karoq which will have a similar infotainment system. I needed to remove the phone from the car and the car from the phone and Bluetooth as all settings had copied over but wouldn't work.
A re-pair of Bluetooth and then a fresh set up of android auto worked for me. I also used a new cable just in case as it often gets flaky after about 6 months use.
It is working reliably now.
Good luck

Quick thoughts since ...
The camera is really nice and produces decent photos. Not really missing the telephoto lens
And I had forgotten the joys of a fingerprint scanner that just works quickly and first time, every time. Why it ever moved from the power button (I had a Sony z series) I will never know.

Battery is week, but I was expecting it. With battery care charging to 85% it does not last full day for me. Taking of charge at 7.00 around 18.00 it is left with just few percent of battery. 1,5h on screen time. 2-3 hours bluetooth music (that looks to be eating battery fastest), 5 email acounts, 30 min of talks. Smartwatch (garmin - looks also eating quite a lot) connected all day long. + covid tracking app (bluetooth) on all the time.
Android auto connects no problem (MB e class 2017). There was a problem before due to cable. To my surprise just few cables worked out of 10+ i had. Only original ones worked or very thick one from amazon basics.
Tried to connect via wireless dongle (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/aawireless#/) but after connected after ~4-5 min crashes. Did not spend much time yet, but it seams that even if it will work in the end, will be not possible to use as battery is depleating by 3%/min and phone becomes very hot when connected.
Bought aramid cover. Looked nicer than black leather. As aramid cover is thiner by half an does not look to be so scratchy.
Bought samsung rectangular wireless charger with USB C. Wirelss charging works only when original (included with pad) ~18w charger is connected. Tried other lower 10-15w charges and with them the wirellses charging pad does not work. Tried borrowed older Micro USB samsung charging pad, so it charges with any charger, just slower.

Well, this is not good news
I've had my Flip 3 for 4 days now, and loving it. I have contacted tech support for a reason/answer why.
Samsung kills the cameras on the Galaxy Z Fold 3 if you unlock the bootloader
Unlocking the bootloader of the Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 3 reportedly breaks all the camera-related functionalities. Read on to know more!
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I got my phone yesterday too. It's great so far, the only issue I'm facing is excessive heating on the top panel. I'll see if today after more normal use it gets better. Did you experience heating on your unit?

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I got my phone yesterday too. It's great so far, the only issue I'm facing is excessive heating on the top panel. I'll see if today after more normal use it gets better. Did you experience heating on your unit?
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I've had mine for a week now. 8/128, black version F711B. The excessive heating under the cover display is quite disturbing. Noticed it mostly during video calls (GM, Skype, Wahatspp, etc.). When on video calls, it discharges the battery to 0 in about 70 minutes from almost full and heats up so much I can't touch it.
Hoping for a firmware update...

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I got my phone yesterday too. It's great so far, the only issue I'm facing is excessive heating on the top panel. I'll see if today after more normal use it gets better. Did you experience heating on your unit?
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The first day or so when it was downloading massive updates and restoring backups etc - yes. Not noticeable almost all of the time now, occasionally warm when charging

Coming from a Pixel 4 and after using the Z Flip 3 for the whole day, I will sadly be returning it to the box. I love the technology behind it and what the future holds, personally I am waiting for a "mini" version. I find the Z Flip 3 actually bulky and heavy for a device that is supposed to make foldbles more poket-able. To me, It does not feel light and it is not that small either when folded. Plus, I don't get it why they made the screen so tall when opened, it is wasted screen past a certain screen ratio (22:9 !?...c'mon). It is so tall the phone wants to roll around the fingers when texting, you have to squeeze it to hold it. Maybe the ergonomics are better and everything is just perfect if you have bigger hands and fingers? This is something worth trying individually. I didn't expect not to be able to get used to the Flip in my hand, before I received I was thinking it will be love at first sight.
For those who are used to and prefer screens this big and tall, you will most likely going to love the phone, the screen definitely delivers. The crease is almost a non issue. When looking straight at the phone, on a white background like in Messages or Chrome, you will not see the crease.

I have had the device since Saturday. Build quality is top notch and I like the form factor and love the portability. I am still not fully convinced. Battery life is as expected the biggest concern. I think it will get you through a light to medium use day. I mean the idea of the phone is too keep you away from it with digital wellbeing in mind. Checking for notifications on the cover screen should help keeping you from opening and using it all the time. At least this is my idea. I don't want to use my phone that much anymore.
There are still some software quirks which hopefully will get ironed out. And hoping for more features for the cover screen.
Btw I noticed one thing: The cover screen doesn't show an incoming Whatsapp voice or video call. You can only answer telephone calls from the cover directly via loudspeaker. Same for duo. I can't access a call from the cover screen. Can anybody confirm this behavior? Not even showing the Whatsapp ones is really annoying... I am lucky that my Garmin is connected and at least will show it on the watch

ManuM15 said:
I got my phone yesterday too. It's great so far, the only issue I'm facing is excessive heating on the top panel. I'll see if today after more normal use it gets better. Did you experience heating on your unit?
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Yes, heats up. Browsing web and listening to music via bluetooth heats up quite a lot. Installed samsung labs app and reduced max temp by 2 degrees to get earlier throttling. Not sure it had any effect. Even if it works, 2 degrees too little to notice.

I have had mine out of the box for literally 5 hours. So far, so good, I have noticed some heat build up when wireless charging bit OK when wired charging. Battery life so far is poor but it is still learning usage patterns so hopefully that will improve. The device is very solidly built and the internal screen is beautiful. I had been holding off buying a flip until the external screen size was improved and I am very happy with what Samsung have done here. Cameras are OK, I am no photography buff though! It fits into my pocket perfectly and you cannot beat that fold/ unfold action!

The camera is pretty bad. Coming from an iPhone 12 pro max and one plus 7 pro, it's super muddy. Zooming in, it's a muddy, pixelated mess. Even outdoors in a well lit area, the detail and sharpness is pretty meh. Pretty disappointing since I think I read it has the same camera sensor as either the s20 or s21.

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The camera is pretty bad. Coming from an iPhone 12 pro max and one plus 7 pro, it's super muddy. Zooming in, it's a muddy, pixelated mess. Even outdoors in a well lit area, the detail and sharpness is pretty meh. Pretty disappointing since I think I read it has the same camera sensor as either the s20 or s21.
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It's the same hardware as the previous Z Flip. You're comparing phones that were in competition for best camera phone to one that tried to pack current Qualcomm hardware into a center fold. The camera and battery are where they brought the price down.
I'm honestly a bit surprised Samsung didn't follow Asus in doing a split battery. The first thing I thought of when seeing the ads for that on the ROG Phone 5 was the Z Flip.
I'm coming from a Note 20 Ultra with the 108MP camera and near perfect action shots. I can definitely appreciate losing quality, but it's also a personal question of whether it outweighs the novelty.