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[REVIEW] Sharp Aquos Crystal X (402SH)

There is very little talk of this device on Xda, other than some mentions here and there on the regular Crystal forums.
Also, I have not yet seen any english speaking people giving a review of it on Youtube (or anywhere else for that matter). So far it has just been hands-on at Sharp stands and such.
I therefore thought it might be of interest to some, that I share my experiences.
Now I know this smartphone is not gonna be widely adopted outside of Japan.
Not having cdma or the 800mhz(?) gsm band used in the U.S, it seems silly for anyone to import this back to the the states. Taking into account that you have to add on the cost of getting it sim unlocked, makes it pretty pricey for a high end device (with previous gen "flagship" hardware).
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At the time of writing this, I have only had this device in my possession for two days.
Keep that in mind. I will therefore have problems with assessing battery life and similar things that need a bit more time to be accurately evaluated.
I guess the natural place to start would be:
Appearance
Biggest selling point is of course the edgeless 5.5 inch display.
I previously came from the the M8, before that, Z1.
I love htc's screens (Atleast since the HOX).
We all know the viewing angles of the Z1 (coming from the Z before that, I was stumped that they managed to fail twice on that front), but straight on it has the most natural looking colors of any smartphone I have ever had.
Let's say that the Z1 is at one end of the scale, M8 in the middle, and typical Samsung amoled screens at the other end. The Crystal X would imo fall between the Z1 and the M8, not so far off the htc. It looks the best of the three, and I'm sure that is just because there's more screen to look at
Under
Settings > wallpaper & display > Quality mode
you can choose color modes (Standard quality, Dynamic, Natural, Relax).
I have not had time to scrutinize the differences on a ton of photos and graphics just yet.
I have tried out Dynamic (which is default) and Natural a little. Relax looks absolutely crazy, and makes white and light colors get a sort beige tint.
@ 157 grams, the phone is right in my comfort zone.
Even though there is no metal body, it does not feel plasticky or anything like that.
The power button and the volume rocker are not wobbly, but stiff, and give off nice satisfying clicks.
Being edgeless makes it a bit thicker than the competition these days, but thanks to being rounded at the back, it doesn't feel fat at all (I have turned a little out of shape the last couple of years, maybe I'm projecting my insecurities:laugh
I am going to even out the pattern on the back piece and spray paint it.
Tactile wise I don't feel it being bad or good, but I am doing it for two reasons:
-I like a sleek finish more then patterns
-the camera actually protrudes just a tiny tiny bit. This will hopefully neutralize that "threat", and avoid it being a resting point for the phone.
Innards
I could toss up the numbers here, but that is one google away, so just do that.
Key things to note here would be non-removable battery, and micro sd slot.
The "direct wave receiver... thingy (hell let's just call it a tiny buttkicker) works very well.
I was a tad worried when I read the instructions.
It says something along the lines of "make sure your entire ear covers the glass, to block out surrounding noise and to achieve the best audio experience"
The reality is, you don't even have to be near the screen. I have to actually turn the volume down quite a bit so it don't act as a speakerphone. Not to say it's so loud it's bothersome, or that people will unintentionally eavesdrop 10 feet away though.
If you are out and about in the city, the background noise would even that out easily.
My point is here that my skepticism was merely unfounded.
On to the:
Interaction
I have been running lollipop on my M8 and Nexus 9 for a while now, and liking it I might add. So naturally I would like it to land on the Crystal X as well.
Root is however more important to me right now (this phone badly deserves it)
So we are left with 4.4.4.
It is pretty close to stock. The notification panel looks a bit different.
Weirdly enough, you can't get to the brightness slider unless you go into settings. The brightness tile in the dropdown only gives you four choices (min, med, max and auto).
Rom is snappy, but certain apps introduces micro lags when scrolling.
There are other small features, like swiping from one side to the other on the status bar to take a screenshot or open image viewer.
Many (me included) hate those times when you are looking at media in portrait, and things are askew. So you tilt it just enough to see aaand blammo! auto rotation kicks in.
Grip sensors avoid this from happening.
It's been a while since I've been dependent on the power button for turning the screen on/off (and never going back). The grip sensors are therefore something I think everyone would greet with open arms (or with a firm grip I should say).
Just pick it up, and you're off to the races.
The speaker on the back is fairly loud. Nothing extreme, but well within my expectations.
Camera is something I have yet to fully explore. Looks a little sony-ish (not bad).
Not the fastest shooter, but seems like it takes good pics. I will pit it against my other relevant devices tomorrow.
Will be interesting to see how it fares against the M8 in low light.
In pitch black where you really rely on your flash, I think the Aquos might struggle more, because quite frankly, the flash on this thing is lackluster. Which means it's not a great flashlight either.
The final act:
Conclusion
When you add all that up in a blender, I will gulp it down and ask for seconds.
There is the question of: Will this device ever receive root?
Looking at the Crystal forums, it doesn't reassure me all that much.
One can just hope. I might also consider anteing up a phone and/or cash as a root bounty at some point.
All in all, no big letdowns. My worries were quickly put to rest.
If I had the chance to go back, I would buy it one more time
I hope there are already other owners (or future ones) out there, who stumbles over this thread and can chime in. Maybe we can group together and create a wave.
I will try to take som better photo's of the phone outside in the daytime a little later tomorrow. Also as mentioned, a camera shootout.
So what have we learned today kids?
Don't put Sharp-ie in pooper!

I absolutely love mine as well. I have owned it for 3 days and have been very impressed. My only complaint is that I only get edge and would love to be able to get at least 3g connection. I think it really is one of the nicest phones I have owned and I have owned a lot. I wish we could add radio bands to make the 3g possible. I find the little differences in the software to be nothing more than a little annoying. I actually shut off the swipe to activate feature as I found it always activating when I slipped it into the sleeve.

imapfsr said:
I absolutely love mine as well. I have owned it for 3 days and have been very impressed. My only complaint is that I only get edge and would love to be able to get at least 3g connection. I think it really is one of the nicest phones I have owned and I have owned a lot. I wish we could add radio bands to make the 3g possible. I find the little differences in the software to be nothing more than a little annoying. I actually shut off the swipe to activate feature as I found it always activating when I slipped it into the sleeve.
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EDGE is brutal. I feel for you there.
Hopefully within a short time frame I will be able to test it on LTE-A (4G+), since around these parts they are rolling it out right now to several of the biggest cities here (I live fairly close to the capital).
I was quite busy yesterday, so I have not yet had time to take more photos. Hopefully I will have time a little later today though.

Thanks TS for the review. U got it from benny? . Just got my set yesterday.. Loves it..
.. install apex launcher and everything seen smoothly.

nakedtoes said:
Thanks TS for the review. U got it from benny? . Just got my set yesterday.. Loves it..
.. install apex launcher and everything seen smoothly.
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Yep!
Which color did you get?

benziii said:
Yep!
Which color did you get?
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White... Can't post pic yet lol
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benziii said:
Yep!
Which color did you get?
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imapfsr said:
I absolutely love mine as well. I have owned it for 3 days and have been very impressed. My only complaint is that I only get edge and would love to be able to get at least 3g connection. I think it really is one of the nicest phones I have owned and I have owned a lot. I wish we could add radio bands to make the 3g possible. I find the little differences in the software to be nothing more than a little annoying. I actually shut off the swipe to activate feature as I found it always activating when I slipped it into the sleeve.
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Hi how do u change the 4 menu buttons below to transparent? Thx

nakedtoes said:
Hi how do u change the 4 menu buttons below to transparent? Thx
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I don't think you can. Only seen a setting for changing the spacing.
I just force immersive mode to get rid of it.
I am happy to say that Lmt luncher is working great (V2.4)
This edgeless beauty can't be constrained by ugly black buttons

I use Go Launcher and that way it becomes transparent by default. I can also swipe up and it disappears completely. I can do the same for the notification bar as well.
correction, the 4 icons don't dissappear just the dock icons can.

install latest version of Apex ... thats it..

nakedtoes said:
install latest version of Apex ... thats it..
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Yep, what Im saying is rubbish. I think even one of the default launchers do it.

Find something unusual during charging... I have this orico 4 (2ax2, 1ax2) ports charger that can output 1.1a to 2.0a to my other phones but for this 402sh only max 0.5a. Tried all kind of cables. Then using xiaomi 10400mah power bank can output 1A..

nakedtoes said:
Find something unusual during charging... I have this orico 4 (2ax2, 1ax2) ports charger that can output 1.1a to 2.0a to my other phones but for this 402sh only max 0.5a. Tried all kind of cables. Then using xiaomi 10400mah power bank can output 1A..
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Mine has gone through three different chargers, and they charge much more than 500mah (Logitech 1A, HTC 1.5A, HTC 2A)
Have not even had time to roll back the Z1 and the M8 to stock yet.
Thinking of comparing the three in a couple of scenes in full resolution, 8Mpx, both with their respective cameras and the google camera.
Meanwhile, two quick "glam" shots:

Does anyone know the technical details of the phone?
Like aperture, and if it has ois?

@benziii , does it have the slow-motion (240fps) which is highlighted on the new zeta models ?

Thanks for reviewing this, any chance of a source link?
edit: I found the link; if anyone else want look, here: http://www.softbank.jp/corp/group/sbm/news/press/2014/20141212_01/

Battery life
Guys what is the battery life on the 402sh like? Also this is not hugely important but what is the colour of bezel on the black 402sh? Is it really black? Reason I am asking is Id like to get this in black but when I look at the pictures of the black version, the front still looks whitish to grayish rather than pure black. Can someone please confirm?

Awesome!

I really hoped this phone will get. root, but it seems we have failed to create a wave.
I have seen some websites that demand payments for rooting your device.
I'd like to know if they are reliable at all.

After 3 days with the S7 Edge Silver (T-Mobile)

I'm coming from the Note 4. I kept it for the last few years as I loved the battery swapping ability (carried two almost credit card thin batteries in my pocket whenever I went out) and the memory slot. But it was getting long in the tooth.. The batteries were getting worn out and I was jealous of all the faster CPUs out in the market.
So when the S7 Edge came out, I jumped on it because the screen was almost the same size at the Note 4, I could use my memory card again, a better camera, a faster CPU. and the shiny shiny silver body.
While my Note 4 was rooted and running a ROM, I decided I wasn't going to do this with the S7. I wanted to be able to use Samsung Pay, and most of the things I had rooted for, seemed to be fixed by Android Marshmallow.
I could write a huge list of all the things I love about the phone. But you guys aren't here for that. Let's talk about the things that I am having issues with.
1.) Screen sensitivity on the edges. When I first got the phone, I was having problems using Samsung Keyboard and Google's Keyboard. The keyboard keys that were on the outside edge kept not clicking. After a bit, I realized that it was because my pinky was touching the other side of the phone. I had to be more careful on how I held the phone. But then I got a case for the phone and this issue was taken care of, as now my pinky gripped the plastic.
2.) Phone call image. This may seem silly, but i like to see a much bigger picture of the person that is calling me. Why did Samsung now make the picture sooo small now? On the left is my old Note 4. On the right is the S7:
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3.) The camera settings. Why does the camera keep resetting after a while back to automatic? I want it to keep in Pro mode, so I can shoot RAW everytime. I was taking photos of the sunset today, and after it was done, only then realized it was not in Pro mode anymore so I didnt have the RAW images to play with.
4.) The camera settings 2. Why is the 12 megapixel only work at 4:3, but if you want to shoot at 16:9, you only get 9.1 megapixel? Who shoots 4:3 ever? All the photos I have taken, no longer fill my 1080p screens of my computer or TV. Hell, they don't even fill the screens of the phone itself. What is the point of shooting 4:3? Now I need to step back when taking photos, so I can crop them into 3:2 later.
5.) Games/movies not filling screen. So one thing I loved about the Note 4, was that almost all movies and games fill the screen 100%. Now, it seems like a lot of stuff is not filling the screen all the way. One example is Need for Speed: No Limit. The game almost seems cropped when playing.
6.) Slippery. This thing has no grip. I'm afraid constantly it will slide out of my hands. I got a case and now it's perfect. I have a good grip and have less finger prints everywhere.
7.) Battery life. So, as a lot of people have been discussing lately, their seems to be an issue with the Snapdragon 820 processor causing the Android System to eat up 30% of the battery. This does not happen on Samsung's own Exynos chip. So while my battery lasted 12 hours today and is only at 30%, I still wish it was more. Especially seeing that I can't replace it.. and in a few months, it won't be as good. I know a lot of you are saying that the phone needs a couple days to burn in, but it's been 4 days. And I'm worried about battery life bigtime.
Speaking about batteries, I really wish there was a smaller battery that could charge the phone just once at Quickcharge 2.0 speeds. The smallest I could find is the AUKEY Portable 6000mAh, but the thing is huge.. I may return this. I'd be happy with a 3500mAh one that is half the size so it can fit in my jeans pocket, like I carried my spare Note 4 batteries. But they don't make that.
The case I got was the "Galaxy S7 Edge Case, Spigen® [Liquid Crystal] Ultra-Thin [Crystal Clear] Premium Semi-transparent / Exact Fit / NO Bulkiness Soft Case for Samsung Galaxy S7" (seriously... that's the long ass name that is on Amazon). It is very thin, but provides an amazing grip, kills the finger print problem, and I think can save this phone from 3-4 feet falls. The only thing I don't like is the raised lip it has on the bottom. It extends too far out from the bottom of the phone. Either I will take a razor blade to it, or look for another case, as I can see it get very annoying for me.
Ok.. That's it. Hope this helps some people. If you have any ways to fix the stuff I am having issues with above, please let me know. I'll leave you with the pic I took of today's sunset. Unedited, unfiltered, in unglorious 4:3 ratio.

With a 16:9 picture you lose quality toward the edges so the 4:3 retians the same quality and is already cropped. Think of the difference similar to a full frame DSLR and a crop sensor (APS-C) that cannon uses on their Rebel line. I personally enjoy the 4:3 ratio for pictures, but everyone is different. When you change to 16:9 all its doing is crop the 4:3 picture to thst ratio. Also the dialer picture screenshots are not consistent. The Note 4 is showing a contact and the S7E is dialing someone (in call UI) so please fix that so the comparison will be accurate.
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Pilz said:
With a 16:9 picture you lose quality toward the edges so the 4:3 retians the same quality and is already cropped. Think of the difference similar to a full frame DSLR and a crop sensor (APS-C) that cannon uses on their Rebel line. I personally enjoy the 4:3 ratio for pictures, but everyone is different. When you change to 16:9 all its doing is crop the 4:3 picture to thst ratio. Also the dialer picture screenshots are not consistent. The Note 4 is showing a contact and the S7E is dialing someone (in call UI) so please fix that so the comparison will be accurate.
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Yes, I figured out that reason why it lost megapixel when going to 16:9, is because it was cropping the image. I shoot full frame with my Sony a7RII. I've never shot with a crop sensor. LOL. It's just annoying that I can't fill the screen with my shots.
As for the call screen from my Note, I would have to reactive my old SIM to get my Note 4 active, which would be a pain in the butt. So I just Googled an example:

EvanWasHere said:
Yes, I figured out that reason why it lost megapixel when going to 16:9, is because it was cropping the image. I shoot full frame with my Sony a7RII. I've never shot with a crop sensor. LOL. It's just annoying that I can't fill the screen with my shots.
As for the call screen from my Note, I would have to reactive my old SIM to get my Note 4 active, which would be a pain in the butt. So I just Googled an example:
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That works, it was just hard to compare two different things. I haven't owned a Samsung phone since my Note 3 which was a long time ago. I'm sure you end up cropping those photos a lot, but full frame sensors give you more 'picture' to choose from. Samsung probably use the 4:3 ratio based on what Sony offered for the sensor features they wanted. I haven't taken enough photos in Pro mode to notice whether or not it defaults back to auto a while, but I'll look out for that. I took a bunch of pictures with the S7E and compared then to my 6P for fun. The S7E does better in certain situations it just depends on what you're doing with it. I still have mixed feelings about the phone especially the battery life (dismal right now).
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I'm switching from at note 4 so these little insights will be handy. How is loudspeaker volume when playing music and video files compared to the note, cheers.
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Im pretty sure ur battery took a big hit due to kernel/partial wakelocks
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How is the camera? it seems to me that u not really impressed with the GS7 Edge.

Guys we already have a first impressions thread here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/s7-edge/how-to/impressions-t3325825
I know everyone is excited about the new phone but can we try to not have 100's of threads all the same
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EvanWasHere said:
3.) The camera settings. Why does the camera keep resetting after a while back to automatic? I want it to keep in Pro mode, so I can shoot RAW everytime. I was taking photos of the sunset today, and after it was done, only then realized it was not in Pro mode anymore so I didnt have the RAW images to play with.
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Hello and thanks for your impressions
maybe with the next FW update, samsung will solve camera settings :-/ a bad bug for this cool device.
Can you explain better about first point? 1.) Screen sensitivity on the edge
without case is not handy write with keyboard? I never had a border smartphone and I'd like be sure to buy this.
The time spent with note4 about writing with keyboard (like email, etc) can be the same using this device or the border are a problem?
thanks!

polhallen said:
Hello and thanks for your impressions
maybe with the next FW update, samsung will solve camera settings :-/ a bad bug for this cool device.
Can you explain better about first point? 1.) Screen sensitivity on the edge
without case is not handy write with keyboard? I never had a border smartphone and I'd like be sure to buy this.
The time spent with note4 about writing with keyboard (like email, etc) can be the same using this device or the border are a problem?
thanks!
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I've noticed the same issue even with a case. Sometimes whole I'm typing with 1 hand the keyboard will think I'm hitting letters that I'm not. It then starts to massively lag in my case forcing me to reboot the phone because nothing will make it stop once it's started even when typing with the phone flat on a table. It's a software bug that should be easily fixed.
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Pilz said:
I've noticed the same issue even with a case. Sometimes whole I'm typing with 1 hand the keyboard will think I'm hitting letters that I'm not. It then starts to massively lag in my case forcing me to reboot the phone because nothing will make it stop once it's started even when typing with the phone flat on a table. It's a software bug that should be easily fixed.
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exactly: (excluding this bug) is it handy and smart writing with this device like a flat mobile?
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polhallen said:
exactly: (excluding this bug) is it handy and smart writing with this device like a flat mobile?
thanks
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What do you mean? I rarely if ever put my phone flat on a table to Type anything unless I'm using side sync via my laptop.
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Pilz said:
What do you mean? I rarely if ever put my phone flat on a table to Type anything unless I'm using side sync via my laptop.
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I mean if writing with S7E is handy as a flat screen

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I mean if writing with S7E is handy as a flat screen
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Is harder to type on compared to a flat screen, and has a strong learning curve (no pun intended)
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I believe since your note 4 is rooted, you have done some editing. If I'm not mistaken, you are using the full screen caller mod. Unless they changed it from the note 3 and s5, which uses a small picture, to a full size picture on the note 4, I'm sure it's a mod you've installed.
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marcgear said:
I'm switching from at note 4 so these little insights will be handy. How is loudspeaker volume when playing music and video files compared to the note, cheers.
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The speaker is maybe 2x the volume of the Note 4. It's VERY loud.
Derpling said:
How is the camera? it seems to me that u not really impressed with the GS7 Edge.
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No.. I am impressed. The stuff I listed is just the annoying things that I would love fixed. The camera seems to take great pics. Fast to load up. Fast to take the pic. RAW option is awesome. Autofocus is fast. Front facing "wide" camera option is awesome. It's just annoying that it shoots in 4:3. All monitors, laptops, TVs (of the last decade), tablets, phones, etc are all wide (like 16:9). Nothing is 4:3 anymore. So now every picture I take, doesn't fill the screen.
polhallen said:
Hello and thanks for your impressions
maybe with the next FW update, samsung will solve camera settings :-/ a bad bug for this cool device.
Can you explain better about first point? 1.) Screen sensitivity on the edge
without case is not handy write with keyboard? I never had a border smartphone and I'd like be sure to buy this.
The time spent with note4 about writing with keyboard (like email, etc) can be the same using this device or the border are a problem?
thanks!
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If your fingers not to grip the edge of the screen, then you should have no issue. I was getting better at it, but then my case arrived and I stopped having to do it that way.
polhallen said:
exactly: (excluding this bug) is it handy and smart writing with this device like a flat mobile?
thanks
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Not exactly a "bug". More like a new way to use the phone. But yes, after training, you will have no issue typing one handed. But I would advise getting a case anyways, as the phone is slippery as hell.
evilvoice said:
I believe since your note 4 is rooted, you have done some editing. If I'm not mistaken, you are using the full screen caller mod. Unless they changed it from the note 3 and s5, which uses a small picture, to a full size picture on the note 4, I'm sure it's a mod you've installed.
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Yes, I was using the TEKXodus ROM on my Note 4 phone which def had that. But I saw images online of the S6 have this come as standard. I really don't want to root this phone, so I am hoping there is some kind of solution.

That's cool mate cheers I was more than happy with the note so I should be over the moon with the s7 edge. So overall are u happy you switched?
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That's cool mate cheers I was more than happy with the note so I should be over the moon with the s7 edge. So overall are u happy you switched?
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90%. I just need to make sure the lack of swappable battery is not an issue. I actually have a charging station at my apartment for all my friends who came here with iphones and android phones who desperately need to charge their phones in the middle of the day. I never had this issue. I have literally never gone anywhere and asked if I can use a place to charge up. Bringing a few extra Note 4 batteries with me was always the solution. That's why it's a shame that there is no small jean pocket size solution for the S7, that can charge the phone fully within an hour.

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90%. I just need to make sure the lack of swappable battery is not an issue. I actually have a charging station at my apartment for all my friends who came here with iphones and android phones who desperately need to charge their phones in the middle of the day. I never had this issue. I have literally never gone anywhere and asked if I can use a place to charge up. Bringing a few extra Note 4 batteries with me was always the solution. That's why it's a shame that there is no small jean pocket size solution for the S7, that can charge the phone fully within an hour.
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The 6000mah Aukey battery is small and likely your best bet. You have to remember that a 3-4k battery won't fully charge your phone. Some of that capacity is lost due to heat and inefficiencies while charging. I carry the Aukey 6000mAh battery in my backpack and its light/small enough that I forget it's there. A smaller battery would be nice but it would need to be at least 4-5K if you want any possibility of a 0-100% charge. I had a RavPower 20100mah battery that only charger at ~60-70% efficiency which is pretty good for an external battery.
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The 6000mah Aukey battery is small and likely your best bet. You have to remember that a 3-4k battery won't fully charge your phone. Some of that capacity is lost due to heat and inefficiencies while charging. I carry the Aukey 6000mAh battery in my backpack and its light/small enough that I forget it's there. A smaller battery would be nice but it would need to be at least 4-5K if you want any possibility of a 0-100% charge. I had a RavPower 20100mah battery that only charger at ~60-70% efficiency which is pretty good for an external battery.
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As a backpack battery, the Aukey 6000 is great.. But I barely carry a bag when i go out. And now that summer is coming up, I wont have a large jacket to carry the bag. So I need something I can carry in my jeans front pocket that has Quickcharge 2.0 so I don't have to keep it cabled for more than an hour.

ZeroLemon 9,000 mAh Extended Battery Review

**********Work in progress************
I just received the ZeroLemon 9,000 mAh Extended Battery and Case for the LG V10 today.
I am going to leave a review here and update this as I use it for the first few charges.
Before I start, ZeroLemon did provide me with this extended battery and case for review purposes.
Like all of my reviews, this does not affect my opinions of the product and this will be my honest opinions and thoughts.
I have attached quite a few pictures to this post, however if you would like a different picture, just let me know.
Let me start this by saying, this case big.
You know this already though if you wanted this huge of a battery in your phone.
This case is not quite double the thickness of the phone.
The phone at its thickest point without the case (The camera hump) is 0.417 inch.
The phone with the case on is 0.703 inch.
The case will add 0.286 inch to your phone.
I find this is still pocketable, about the max that I would want to carry in my pocket but I can do it and it does not bother me.
The flaws that I found in the LG G4 case and battery have been addressed this time on the LG V10 case.
The ports at the bottom all have a small lip to prevent dust intrusion.
The sides of this new case are thinner and do not add any bulk to the top, bottom, or sides of the phone.
They have added Fast Charge capabilities to the battery this time around.
With Fast Charge comes huge decrease in charging times on this battery vs the one from the G4.
This is a welcome addition considering the 6 hour charge times of the past.
This case is much like previous ZeroLemon cases in overall design.
The looks are the same while the case seems to be a little softer material this time.
There is quite a bit of internal structure in the top portion of the case that is extended above the buttons to make this case much more solid than previous cases were.
The sides of this case are flush with the screen while the top and bottom both stick up slightly to prevent your screen from ever touching anything should you lay your phone down screen first.
This slight change from previous cases makes a huge difference in the overall feel of the case in a good way.
The ports on this case all line up perfectly, including the opening on the back for the camera and volume/power buttons.
The headphone opening is large enough for me to use all of the headphones that I have.
The USB port is also large enough for me to use all the USB cables I have.
The overall fit of the case is excellent, I for one am glad that they did not release this case until it was perfect.
DAY 1
Battery life so far has been excellent.
First day I have 3 hours screen time and approximately 11 hours of use.
I did have this connected to a moto 360 smartwatch via bluetooth as well as a pair of bluetooth headphones.
I had about 4 hours of music streaming on and off throughout the day.
I have the screen set to 100% and 2 emails, one gmail and one exchange, both set to push.
I have 55 minutes of voice calls today.
I started the day with the battery at 92%.
The battery is now sitting at 68%.
On an day like today my battery would usually have been at about 15% and I would have had to charge when I got home or swap a battery out.
I do not think it is possible to kill this battery in one day.
If I had had the screen set to auto brightness I would easily get double the screen on time.
DAY 2
Battery life is still excellent, better than the first day.
Ended the day wit 72% remaining.
75 minutes of phone calls.
3.2 hours screen on time.
DAY 3
Battery life is getting better still
Ended today with 75% remaining.
78 minutes of phone calls.
3.2 hours of screen on time.
I will hold off on updates for a few days.
So far usage is steadily improving over what I had already considered excellent.
I will update this again in a week or two with detailed stats.
I will update this section as I use the phone over the next few days and charge cycles.
So far the battery arrived with 56% charge.
I installed the battery in my phone and put the case on it and plugged it in to charge in a Quick Charge 2.0 charger.
It charged to 100% in approximately 45 minutes.
This is the first charge and I let it charge for an additional 12 hours as stated in the instructions.
I do not think it actually takes that long, however it is what is recommended so I will do it.
ZeroLemon recommends to allow 5 to 6 full charge cycles to achieve optimal performance.
I will come back and update this review after 6 full charge cycles with battery stats then.
ZeroLemon Official site
Amazon Link (Currently Sold Out as of 3/9, was $59.99)
**So far I have one day usage reported, I will continue to update this for a while or as long as people ask for updates.**
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Can the sd card be removed without removing the battery?
I'm getting pretty excited here! As soon as I come up with some creative bookkeeping I'm going to order one of these! (hopefully they're back in stock soon)
Sent from my pretty nifty brand new LG V10

How's button access? Is it awkward to use? How about the fingerprint sensor?
Thanks for the in-depth review and pictures.
Sent from my BlackBerry Venice

planetbeen said:
Can the sd card be removed without removing the battery?
I'm getting pretty excited here! As soon as I come up with some creative bookkeeping I'm going to order one of these! (hopefully they're back in stock soon)
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Yes the SD card can be removed without removing the battery, you would still need to shut off the phone first I would assume.
joshm.1219 said:
How's button access? Is it awkward to use? How about the fingerprint sensor?
Thanks for the in-depth review and pictures.
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You are welcome, I will update it tomorrow after work.
Button access is better than I expected.
The sides of the opening are slanted so your finger is sort of pushed right where it needs to go.
For the fingerprint sensor... I have the T-Mobile version and do not have the update that fixes the fingerprint sensor.
So you still have to be touching the metal edges for it to work right on mine.
However the if I flex the side of the case a little I can get my finger on the metal edge of the phone and it works perfect.
I would assume once I update my phone to fix the sensor there would be no issues at all.
If you have a version that does have the update for the fingerprint sensor it will work perfect for you.

What about photos? Does the case interfere with the autofocus, or does it cause the flash to interfere with the picture?
Sent from my LG-H901 using Tapatalk

Hi, thank you for review, can you please shoot a photo side by side (I know it needs work but appreciate) with and without the case to see the real thickness of the device with the battery.
Thank you for the effort.

toastido said:
What about photos? Does the case interfere with the autofocus, or does it cause the flash to interfere with the picture?
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I did not notice any issues with it, I will check again today after work.
fethi2 said:
Hi, thank you for review, can you please shoot a photo side by side (I know it needs work but appreciate) with and without the case to see the real thickness of the device with the battery.
Thank you for the effort.
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I will try, but it will be difficult to get both items to scale. I do have a caliper that I can actually measure both with and give the measurements.

fethi2 said:
Hi, thank you for review, can you please shoot a photo side by side (I know it needs work but appreciate) with and without the case to see the real thickness of the device with the battery.
Thank you for the effort.
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Updated the original post with measurements via caliper.
The phone at its thickest point without the case (The camera hump) is 0.417 inch.
The phone with the case on is 0.703 inch.
The case will add 0.286 inch to your phone.

Thanks checked it out. :highfive:
Milimbar said:
Updated the original post with measurements via caliper.
The phone at its thickest point without the case (The camera hump) is 0.417 inch.
The phone with the case on is 0.703 inch.
The case will add 0.286 inch to your phone.
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Milimbar said:
Yes the SD card can be removed without removing the battery, you would still need to shut off the phone first I would assume.
You are welcome, I will update it tomorrow after work.
Button access is better than I expected.
The sides of the opening are slanted so your finger is sort of pushed right where it needs to go.
For the fingerprint sensor... I have the T-Mobile version and do not have the update that fixes the fingerprint sensor.
So you still have to be touching the metal edges for it to work right on mine.
However the if I flex the side of the case a little I can get my finger on the metal edge of the phone and it works perfect.
I would assume once I update my phone to fix the sensor there would be no issues at all.
If you have a version that does have the update for the fingerprint sensor it will work perfect for you.
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I have the AT&T and it has been updated. The fingerprint scanner seems to work even better. I get a lot faster response from it.

yuppy for about 5 minutes they had 5 available and was able to order one, now its sold out again

Got mine yesterday. Charged 12 hours overnight and put it in this morning at 07:40. It's now 09:02 so coming up on 1.5 hours and I am down to 73%. I hope the % is way off if not I got a lemon. Probably 1 hour screen on time
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Is this their regular case or a ZeroShock Case?
How do feel about the texture of the outter cover? Does it feel slippery? Or real "grippy"

I am getting very similar results. I posted about it in the other thread but I'm thinking maybe we need to calibrate the battery? I just don't know how. But yea... I'm getting pretty much normal battery life.
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valestrand said:
Got mine yesterday. Charged 12 hours overnight and put it in this morning at 07:40. It's now 09:02 so coming up on 1.5 hours and I am down to 73%. I hope the % is way off if not I got a lemon. Probably 1 hour screen on time
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I am getting very similar results. I posted about it in the other thread but I'm thinking maybe we need to calibrate the battery? I just don't know how. But yea... I'm getting pretty much normal battery life.
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Well, now it's 13:25 and I am down to 15% left. With the normal battery I would be around 40 at this time..
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Phone died at 1500 so got 7.5 hours out a 9000mah battery.. Lol
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You got a zero lemon [emoji6] waiting for mine now
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valestrand said:
Phone died at 1500 so got 7.5 hours out a 9000mah battery.. Lol
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I would contact ZeroLemon, because I got 32 hours out of mine.. And I don't gimp my phone, full bright and everything on.

I'm curious if you have the standalone LG battery charger, does the ZL battery fit or would the cover flap need to be removed?
If you do and it does fit I'd appreciate a pic!
I don't see myself needing two ZL batteries, but it would be nice to know if it's still a good charging option without having to modify.
Based on your photos it looks like it could possibly just fit or be a slight squeeze.
Thanks!

mastarpete said:
I'm curious if you have the standalone LG battery charger, does the ZL battery fit or would the cover flap need to be removed?
If you do and it does fit I'd appreciate a pic!
I don't see myself needing two ZL batteries, but it would be nice to know if it's still a good charging option without having to modify.
Based on your photos it looks like it could possibly just fit or be a slight squeeze.
Thanks!
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Yep. It fits without any modifications. Just won't close, obviously. Did it on my initial charge so I didn't have to stay tethered to the wall for 12 hours.

Need advice about new phone.

Hello, I bought Samsung galaxy s7 in 2016 and its still working till now super fine. Today the screen just flickered some how and I think my phone is about to die.
I was thinking of buying a new phone.
I want it to be flat screen with aluminium frame in sides and back (glass in back is fine too) I rarely use camera too, I also want it to be super amoled. I want it to feel premium in the hand too.
Which phone you guys I should buy with these requirements?

janzeer said:
Hello, I bought Samsung galaxy s7 in 2016 and its still working till now super fine. Today the screen just flickered some how and I think my phone is about to die.
I was thinking of buying a new phone.
I want it to be flat screen with aluminium frame in sides and back (glass in back is fine too) I rarely use camera too, I also want it to be super amoled. I want it to feel premium in the hand too.
Which phone you guys I should buy with these requirements?
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Try clearing the system cache and a hard reset.
Is the battery still good? That may be the issue.
If exposed to water... that is the issue.
What price range? Any good phone generally comes with a good cam nowadays.
You can get a new Note 10+ N975U1 256gb, 12gb ram running on Q for $800. Picked one up last week, it's pristine.
I would stay away from anything running on 11 though.

blackhawk said:
Try clearing the system cache and a hard reset.
Is the battery still good? That may be the issue.
If exposed to water... that is the issue.
What price range? Any good phone generally comes with a good cam nowadays.
You can get a new Note 10+ N975U1 256gb, 12gb ram running on Q for $800. Picked one up last week, it's pristine.
I would stay away from anything running on 11 though.
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I haven't cleared the system cache or did a hard reset in 2 years, so I am sure that would help!
The battery is still decent, I mean it's not as it used to be but it's doing fine.
What actually happens is that screen went crazy for like 10 sec (it flickered and shows lines and shaky pictures, then I pressed the power button and it won't back to normal) this is the first time this incident happens to me since I bought the phone. The phone is actually a beast, never lag, and feels premium, If there is still a fresh new one in the market I wouldn't hesitate to buy it again.
I am not sure about the price, to be honest, I think your suggestion is very good, I really lean to Samsung, But I don't like Note's :-(
I just want something like my current S7 (None edge) with let's say a bigger battery and a bigger screen.

janzeer said:
I haven't cleared the system cache or did a hard reset in 2 years, so I am sure that would help!
The battery is still decent, I mean it's not as it used to be but it's doing fine.
What actually happens is that screen went crazy for like 10 sec (it flickered and shows lines and shaky pictures, then I pressed the power button and it won't back to normal) this is the first time this incident happens to me since I bought the phone. The phone is actually a beast, never lag, and feels premium, If there is still a fresh new one in the market I wouldn't hesitate to buy it again.
I am not sure about the price, to be honest, I think your suggestion is very good, I really lean to Samsung, But I don't like Note's :-(
I just want something like my current S7 (None edge) with let's say a bigger battery and a bigger screen.
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If it's not repeatable it will be harder to troubleshoot. Try what I suggested. It's long overdue a system cache clearing. If it flickers again try plugging into the charger, if it stops it's likely the battery. Check for signs of battery swelling.
Try flexing the frame, gently, as well to check for a loose connection, display or mobo failure.
The 10+ is a beast and built solid. A case is mandatory for this corner hitting brick that also loves to face plant. It doesn't seem large to me at all anymore. It's very slim 7mm, so even with a good case it doesn't seem that large.
The spen is great as a remote shutter release and smart select is very handy which I use it for a lot now. The curve screen is the nesting place for One Handed Operation plus, no waste here.
The display is gorgeous (no rounded corners) and still one of the brightest with better color rendering than most newer phones. It's a flagship phone in every sense with snappy performance and about 10+ hours SOT. The Buds+ couple seamlessly with it. It still retains its on screen navigation buttons on Q. The Galaxy Store customization on the stock variants are the best on the planet.
Lol, I'm biased as it is my weapon of choice. I picked it over the N20 Ultra for a number of reasons a week ago.

blackhawk said:
If it's not repeatable it will be harder to troubleshoot. Try what I suggested. It's long overdue a system cache clearing. If it flickers again try plugging into the charger, if it stops it's likely the battery. Check for signs of battery swelling.
Try flexing the frame, gently, as well to check for a loose connection, display or mobo failure.
The 10+ is a beast and built solid. A case is mandatory for this corner hitting brick that also loves to face plant. It doesn't seem large to me at all anymore. It's very slim 7mm, so even with a good case it doesn't seem that large.
The spen is great as a remote shutter release and smart select is very handy which I use it for a lot now. The curve screen is the nesting place for One Handed Operation plus, no waste here.
The display is gorgeous (no rounded corners) and still one of the brightest with better color rendering than most newer phones. It's a flagship phone in every sense with snappy performance and about 10+ hours SOT. The Buds+ couple seamlessly with it. It still retains its on screen navigation buttons on Q. The Galaxy Store customization on the stock variants are the best on the planet.
Lol, I'm biased as it is my weapon of choice. I picked it over the N20 Ultra for a number of reasons a week ago.
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Will try that! Thank you, Blackhawk!
I am checking the Samsung Galaxy S10+ it is really a big leap from S7, going to give that a thought, I really like the ceramic back, ceramic frame! also, the Dynamic Amoled seems fantastic! <3
And it still has the heart monitor!

You're welcome.
Water damage is insidious and pervasive. The faster you disconnect the battery and purge it, the better the outcome. It's possible there's some light corrosion on the ribbon cable contacts, reseating them may resolve it.
A very -little- WD-40 helps. Never get any solvents around LCD displays as it can poison them.
It is possible to salvage water soaked electronics with quick action. My Buds case went straight for a full hot cup of coffee, cream and sugar. Damn thing must have been Pav Tack guided, dead center of the cup. Straight to the bottom.
I couldn't disconnect the spot welded battery but I torn it apart, flushed with RO water, then with copious amounts of anhydrous isopropyl alcohol, dried. 2 years latter it remain functional.
I drank the coffee too

IMO when it comes to modding & rooting SAMSUNG phones aren't the best choice.

Question how can we can say this phone is worthit man!

1. This phone is best aesthetic phone
2. We can use in vloging like , i can fold that phone than and open back camera than start vloging than we can ourself in back screen for perfect scence and all stuff
3. Many times we need to carry big size phones for travelling in that times i can use this phone by folding it and carry anywhere we want

I don't think I could go back to 7 inches sticking out of my pocket again (but I think the wife would like to see 7 inches sticking out of my pocket)

My z flip 3 was a great phone, I loved it, but unfortunately for me after about 4 months the novelty of it wore off and I started getting tired of having to un flip the phone every time I needed to do more than just glance at a notification. Then the Galaxy S22 Ultra was released so I sold my z flip 3 and got the S22 Ultra and haven't looked back once.
Just personal preference I guess.

Love the phone... just that the battery size disappointed me.. need to keep on charge it...

The Flip 3 was great in many ways,
The size when folded - it's great for pockets
phone was fast and worked well.
Inner display was great.
Updates were fast and regular.
Bad - Battery life, outer display needed to be bigger and more useful. I know Samsprung etc did try and make it better.
I also got tired of flipping the phone open to reply to messages etc... closing was good to end a call, however.
Very little or no development ( roms )
I ended up selling it and got a Pixel 7.
For most users, this phone would have been great. For people that like to flash roms etc... not an option.

This was my most durable phone, perhaps ever. I had it since beginning, and it produced zero scratches on the back, sides, and screen. In 1-2months, it was guaranteed every other phone had ugly scratches and a dot on the screen. Not ZFLip, which, adding to insult, didn't even have a case! And it still sticked to a magnetic charger alone, which was a massive convenience. 183 grams of pure beauty, instead of ugly cases with a magnetic sticker on every other phone.
The only annoyance came with screen foil replacement after 9months. Not so bad, replacement is free.
Sadly, after 18months, the screen stopped to turn on after unfolding. Works great if it's permanently unfolded. But, with that, it lost its main attraction.
So, despite this phone killed my flagship promiscuity for an incredible while, i now will switch back to a normal HEAVY brick: Pixel 7.
And that's after one strong argument i no longer can ignore: all Flips flicker (as reported on dxomark, notebookcheck). I see the flickering at nights, and the flicker continues in my brain when i shut my eyes. Can't ignore this anymore. Can't update to Flip4. Nothing other relevant on the market. Sad!