https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZU9U72OU5s&t=4m25s
I hope this is a flawed device and not an indicator of the way Samsung does business.
The video also explains it, it's not a flaw.
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The video also explains it, it's not a flaw.
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I've watched it a few times and it doesn't. I've got a pretty good grasp of physics so I think it's safe to say there's no liquid in there. I'll draw it out for you. Any vapor in the chamber would have to be 1) heated or not a liquid at room temp, 2) not mitigate the heat in gaseous state. Liquid/Vapor chambers work when the liquid mitigates the heat (heating it up to a gas state) and then runs up the tube to the cooler area of the heatsink (welcome to entropy) and then recondenses. This is how they work. Without any liquid at room temperature it very obviously is not a liquid cooled chamber. If it's not a flaw then Samsung is basically a company willing to blatantly lie to increase their sales.
Easy fellas! You're both right. As the video explains, the s7 has a "heat pipe" rather than liquid cooling. From my perspective, as long as it does its job, I couldn't care less, but it is interesting that sammy represented it as liquid whereas it is not....
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Easy fellas! You're both right. As the video explains, the s7 has a "heat pipe" rather than liquid cooling. From my perspective, as long as it does its job, I couldn't care less, but it is interesting that sammy represented it as liquid whereas it is not....
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It seems to be working perfectly fine for most who have the device in hand except for the few reporting overheating during VR. My concern would be the inconsistency in both Samsung's message and the product. For all practical purposes it might not matter.
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(welcome to entropy)
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Hi! I love you too, buddy!
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It seems to be working perfectly fine for most who have the device in hand except for the few reporting overheating during VR. My concern would be the inconsistency in both Samsung's message and the product. For all practical purposes it might not matter.
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I'm not experiencing any overheating issues with the S7 edge using Gear VR, and I tried it for hours at a time.
Compared to the S6 edge, MAJOR IMPROVEMENT!!!!
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I'm not experiencing any overheating issues with the S7 edge using Gear VR, and I tried it for hours at a time. Compared to the S6 edge, MAJOR IMPROVEMENT!!!!
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:highfive: Excellent. If all the phones function that way it's a moot point.
Is it possible all of the liquid is actually contained within the copper fibers and thus not visible? I would assume there's not very much as it would expand when It became a gas. Just throwing out ideas. By contained I mean, essentially stuck to.
The samsung engineer in China already explained it, there is 0.02 g water or cooling liquid inside and when you cut the pipe, they already vaporized.
As long as the phone doesn't overheat, who cares?
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As long as the phone doesn't overheat, who cares?
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Curious if this turns out to be overheating throttling or just poor software and RAM management:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=MQ8pTGCcW7A
Guessing the latter. 820 is suppose to run cooler, heat pipe, more RAM than the other android phones.
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The samsung engineer in China already explained it, there is 0.02 g water or cooling liquid inside and when you cut the pipe, they already vaporized.
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Where did you find this info?
So I'm guessing that people would rather have notable amounts of water/liquid sealed inside of a $800+. In the even an excessive shock causing the tubing to fail and in turn fry internal component's. To each their own, but I'm comfortable with what the component is capable of doing for what it is......... My .2 cents.
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Where did you find this info?
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http://m.weibo.cn/1651911632/394890...WEIBO_SECOND_PROFILE_WEIBO_-_3948908579071957
who cares of it's not liquid? Some guys who already have the phone say it doesn't heat the way the S6 does... Personally, I don't care how they do it, I only care that it doesn't get too hot
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The samsung engineer in China already explained it, there is 0.02 g water or cooling liquid inside and when you cut the pipe, they already vaporized.
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any source link please!
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any source link please!
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Dude...it's literally two posts above you....
I'm not too sure what people are expecting. There is very very little water inside. I get the impression that some people are expecting water to gush out like a tap.
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So the 6P bending guy posted 2 videos of the teardown of both the S7 and S7 Edge. Pretty cool video. But, both of them had same discoloration under the 820 due to heat. This worries me a little bit. I'll link both videos so you can see and give your opinion on it. I just hope it doesn't get worse and cause other problems, What do you think about it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_S6pL5pznA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZU9U72OU5s
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So the 6P bending guy posted 2 videos of the teardown of both the S7 and S7 Edge. Pretty cool video. But, both of them had same discoloration under the 820 due to heat. This worries me a little bit. I'll link both videos so you can see and give your opinion on it. I just hope it doesn't get worse and cause other problems, What do you think about it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_S6pL5pznA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZU9U72OU5s
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Wouldn't worry about it. Pretty sure the engineers over at Samsung took this into consideration when designing the phone. The 820 does get warm though, but note any worse than the s810. It will throttle long before it can cause any damage.
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Wouldn't worry about it. Pretty sure the engineers over at Samsung took this into consideration when designing the phone. The 820 does get warm though, but note any worse than the s810. It will throttle long before it can cause any damage.
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I'd just hate for my $800 purchase to be a paper weight. Who knows!
Well if it turns into a paperweight that way you will get a shiny new one from Sammy
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Without knowing more, I'm inclined not to worry bout it much. I can easily imagine that discoloration is all SOP.
I've been playing around the service menu and tested the Pressure Sensor. In a solid waterproof phone, pressure should remain steady when acted upon by outside forces.
I simply tried to moderately blow some air into the USB port and there's a notable difference. Also removed the sim cap and sucked on the port. Air was clearly passing through.
I'm curious if it's just my phone with this issue in which case I'll replace it, or if it's a design fault, in which case you shouldn't submerge it.
In the screenshots you'll see the pressure difference. So please test this by accessing the service menu *#*#service#*#*, > tests > pressure sensor and simply blow some air into it.
And for the giggles and ranting, there's the sony talk thread https://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Xper...s-waterproof/m-p/1237116/highlight/true#M2652
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I've been playing around the service menu and tested the Pressure Sensor. In a solid waterproof phone, pressure should remain steady when acted upon by outside forces.
I simply tried moderately blowing some air into the USB port and there's a notable difference. Also removed the sim cap and sucked on the port. Air was clearly passing through.
I'm curious if it's just my phone with this issue in which case I'll replace it, or if it's a design fault, in which case you shouldn't submerge it.
In the screenshots you'll see the presiune difference. So please test this by accessing the service menu *#*#service#*#*, > tests > pressure sensor and simply blow some air into it.
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In Xperia Z3 there was a hole in the lower-left corner that if not covered by hand also let the pressure to drop down.
I think that every phone has to have some kind of a "blow off valve" to prevent internal pressure from rising when the phone heats up to avoid damaging the seals around the screen and the back.
Note that when you cover the usb port pressure stays perfectly stable. The phone is still waterproof it just lets the internals "breathe"
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In Xperia Z3 there was a hole in the lower-left corner that if not covered by hand also let the pressure to drop down.
I think that every phone has to have some kind of a "blow off valve" to prevent internal pressure from rising when the phone heats up to avoid damaging the seals around the screen and the back.
Note that when you cover the usb port pressure stays perfectly stable. The phone is still waterproof it just lets the internals "breathe"
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It's far more than a simple valve. For example if you have water in the port and you blow some air to take it out, that water will actually go inside the phone. I'm asking because if ever submerged, water pressure will be far grater than my air blowing capabilities ))) so things can get messy pretty fast.
It's far too easy to change the pressure inside it, so all I need to know is if other XZp are behaving the same way or if it's just mine.
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It's far more than a simple valve. For example if you have water in the port and you blow some air to take it out, that water will actually go inside the phone. I'm asking because if ever submerged, water pressure will be far grater than my air blowing capabilities ))) so things can get messy pretty fast.
It's far too easy to change the pressure inside it, so all I need to know is if other XZp are behaving the same way or if it's just mine.
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As I said Z3 behaved similarly and I have submerged this phone a couple of times and never had any problems with it. Note that air particles are much more able to squeeze through tight spaces than water.
Same principle aplies to waterproof jackets, they let the air pass through so that you wont get sweaty while at the same time the won't let water go through.
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As I said Z3 behaved similarly and I have submerged this phone a couple of times and never had any problems with it. Note that air particles are much more able to squeeze through tight spaces than water.
Same principle aplies to waterproof jackets, they let the air pass through so that you wont get sweaty while at the same time the won't let water go through.
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Yes man, I know what a valve is and how it operates in a phone. I've been having xperias for over 5 years. I'm not on Talk.sonymobile, I'm on xda. So if you can try the test whenever you can. All it takes is 1 minute.
I opened this thread because I need to see if mine has those rubber seals too loose or if it's a general and normal thing. I asked for xzp owners to try the test because on my phone air passes virtually unobstructed.
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Yes man, I know what a valve is and how it operates in a phone. I've been having xperias for over 5 years. I'm not on Talk.sonymobile, I'm on xda. So if you can try the test whenever you can. All it takes is 1 minute.
I opened this thread because I need to see if mine has those rubber seals too loose or if it's a general and normal thing. I asked for xzp owners to try the test because on my phone air passes virtually unobstructed.
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It works for me exactly the same way as you described. Sorry I didn't mean to patronise you in any way
There is a pressure regulation in every phone. The reason is the battery, in case the battery is defective (see Shamesung Note ), it will produce gas. This gas can later inflame, hence it is important to get it out of the device.
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There is a pressure regulation in every phone. The reason is the battery, in case the battery is defective (see Shamesung Note ), it will produce gas. This gas can later inflame, hence it is important to get it out of the device.
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I know, I just spent a lot of money on this thing and I'd rather avoid damaging it. In my opinion that valve is way too lose.
Check this video out, I do not agree with this idiotic test but in the end the phone got water damaged. Vibrator Motor is right next to the USB port which in this video it keeps on vibrating even after device is off.
https://youtu.be/Z3JUGkXXXJw?t=17m52s
I might be a bit paranoid but submerging this phone is not a good idea. Maybe something like this will help https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/91LUJPpD45L._SL1500_.jpg
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It works for me exactly the same way as you described. Sorry I didn't mean to patronise you in any way
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I know, I'm sorry for jumping the gun. Didn't get a full night sleep.
I'm weary because I had Xperia XZ for a week, did the same test but the breathability on the usb port was minimum. Anyway, I'll be careful. My (very) old Xperia Z got water damaged in the pool due to a worn rubber band on the headphone jack. Damage was extensive.
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I know, I just spent a lot of money on this thing and I'd rather avoid damaging it. In my opinion that valve is way too lose.
Check this video out, I do not agree with this idiotic test but in the end the phone got water damaged. Vibrator Motor is right next to the USB port which in this video it keeps on vibrating even after device is off.
https://youtu.be/Z3JUGkXXXJw?t=17m52s
I might be a bit paranoid but submerging this phone is not a good idea. Maybe something like this will help https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/91LUJPpD45L._SL1500_.jpg
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If damaged by submerging, I'd send it on for guarantee and request a new one. It states IP68 proof, that means 30 minutens fully submerged.
Oh and btw, the guy actually FROZE his phone for 12 hours .
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If damaged by submerging, I'd send it on for guarantee and request a new one. It states IP68 proof, that means 30 minutens fully submerged.
Oh and btw, the guy actually FROZE his phone for 12 hours .
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I know.... It's an idiotic test. But leaving that aside, it is compared to another waterproof phone which worked as good as new afterwards. So it's safe too assume that the USB might be letting in a bit more than just data and power.
It's a bit of a letdown, I'll wait for the teardown videos to see if they finally coated the motherboard and other boards against water ingress. Just like you see in the iphone and samsung.
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I know.... It's an idiotic test. But leaving that aside, it is compared to another waterproof phone which worked as good as new afterwards. So it's safe too assume that the USB might be letting in a bit more than just data and power.
It's a bit of a letdown, I'll wait for the teardown videos to see if they finally coated the motherboard and other boards against water ingress. Just like you see in the iphone and samsung.
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Well, I'm the kinda guy who tries out things if promised . What I can tell you, my phone spent a fair amount of time submerged already, I always wanted to try out underwater video recording. No real sense in it, but it's fun .
Still working and it's drying real quick.
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Well, I'm the kinda guy who tries out things if promised . What I can tell you, my phone spent a fair amount of time submerged already, I always wanted to try out underwater video recording. No real sense in it, but it's fun .
Still working and it's drying real quick.
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I know it's fun, it's even more so when you wash it in the sink in front of people haha. Can you please do me a solid and test the pressure sensor while blowing air into the usb? like I tried - 2 cm away, full lung pressure on the usb, and tell me if that pressure rapidly moves up. It will help me sleep better at night after I wash the thing haha.
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I know it's fun, it's even more so when you wash it in the sink in front of people haha. Can you please do me a solid and test the pressure sensor while blowing air into the usb? like I tried - 2 cm away, full lung pressure on the usb, and tell me if that pressure rapidly moves up. It will help me sleep better at night after I wash the thing haha.
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I'll do so in 13 minutes, im currently running a battery test. Just as side note, Amazon Underground seems to drain battery like hell on 7.1.
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I know it's fun, it's even more so when you wash it in the sink in front of people haha. Can you please do me a solid and test the pressure sensor while blowing air into the usb? like I tried - 2 cm away, full lung pressure on the usb, and tell me if that pressure rapidly moves up. It will help me sleep better at night after I wash the thing haha.
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Ok, done. Pressure going up rapidly. Consider it normal.
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I'll do so in 13 minutes, im currently running a battery test. Just as side note, Amazon Underground seems to drain battery like hell on 7.1.
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Ok, done. Pressure going up rapidly. Consider it normal.
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YAY!!!! Paranoid Parrot now returning to its cage :victory:
Mine does the same
I have the same problem and my xzp had water damaged,they changed me a new one which still have this problem....I will not try twice.Maybe this is a manufacturing problem.
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I have the same problem and my xzp had water damaged,they changed me a new one which still have this problem....I will not try twice.Maybe this is a manufacturing problem.
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It's a design flaw then..... I'll buy the usb silicon caps just to be extra safe.... Shame they didn't manage to build this properly.....
Forgive me my ignorance. I know it's stupid question and I know answer will be yes, but it's always worth double checking.
So I can submerge xz premium without any usb/jack and other ports covers as they were just designed to be able to handle that?
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Forgive me my ignorance. I know it's stupid question and I know answer will be yes, but it's always worth double checking.
So I can submerge xz premium without any usb/jack and other ports covers as they were just designed to be able to handle that?
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Yes, that is the idea behind IP68 certification. I dumped my phone in the pool yesterday, just for fun. Just PLEASE make sure to dry the phone before charging it. I know that sounds stupid but there is some photos around of ppl claiming their devices just started burning. Due to the nature of energy transport in USB-C 3.1, that is almost impossible - unless you short-circuit it with water .
Hey guys, quick check in. It seems all my coworkers and friends who have the N20u have this problem at certain stages.
There's reports online of excess glue during teardowns and it seems like it's staining the display. Samsung has been super lack on replying back to me with answers.
Mine was perfect until it started to show slightly around the camera cutout, then within the last day it's a huge chunk of the center of the display. So it's something that happens fast and suddenly. What do you guys think?
Display failure. I highly doubt the adhesive is "staining" the display. That outline doesn't correspond to the internal parts.
Manufacturing defect in the display it's self. Perhaps heat fried display drivers from excessive CPU heat ie insufficient heat sink capacity. There's been reports of poor heat sinking on at least some of these devices.
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Display failure. I highly doubt the adhesive is "staining" the display. That outline doesn't correspond to the internal parts.
Manufacturing defect in the display it's self. Perhaps heat fried display drivers from excessive CPU heat ie insufficient heat sink capacity. There's been reports of poor heat sinking on at least some of these devices.
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Well they're calling it samsung glue gate, it's happening to phones older than a year and it's a actually very common in many parts of the internet.
I'm surprised it's not big on XDA yet but we are more fanboyish then the rest of the world.
I absolutely love my note, I still plan on keeping it even with the discoloration.
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Well they're calling it samsung glue gate, it's happening to phones older than a year and it's a actually very common in many parts of the internet.
I'm surprised it's not big on XDA yet but we are more fanboyish then the rest of the world.
I absolutely love my note, I still plan on keeping it even with the discoloration.
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I can't see how it corresponds to any of the internal parts on the teardowns.
All the newer Notes use lots of double sided adhesive strips. It's pretty much chemically inert.
Displays can be damaged by heat and pressure, like a battery failure. A control portion of the matrix of the display ie drivers may have been damaged more likely by heat but maybe pressure. That would explain the odd shape and size. The actual damage portion could be very small it's self but effect a large area.
Try running Screen Test to get an idea of what group of pixels are damaged to get more clues to the cause and actual damage.
I have this issue on my N20U. It was much worse at the beginning but I read that putting the phone in direct sunlight would solve the issue. I did that for like 30 minutes and to my surprise it almost went away. It has been a week after I did that and I barely see the rectangular shadow on the grey backgrounds as I used to see them before.
I still don't know if I should get a new phone, is this issue serious? I mean does it lead to the screen dying on me suddenly or not.
I hope some expert answers
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I can't see how it corresponds to any of the internal parts on the teardowns.
All the newer Notes use lots of double sided adhesive strips. It's pretty much chemically inert.
Displays can be damaged by heat and pressure, like a battery failure. A control portion of the matrix of the display ie drivers may have been damaged more likely by heat but maybe pressure. That would explain the odd shape and size. The actual damage portion could be very small it's self but effect a large area.
Try running Screen Test to get an idea of what group of pixels are damaged to get more clues to the cause and actual damage.
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The point is that this defect follow exactly the same rectangular shape with that oval part at the bottom on all the Note devices I saw online including mine ofc.
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The point is that this defect follow exactly the same rectangular shape with that oval part at the bottom on all the Note devices I saw online including mine ofc.
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If you look at the teardown vids or pics you can see that none of the subassemblies or components match that position*. Therefore the defect is in the display itself especially if you can alter its appearance by heat.
It could also be a failure on the mobo but that's probably less likely vs a display failure. All the display drivers are integrated into the display. A AMOLED display is a very complex, busy piece of hardware.
It should be replaced... that's my estimate.
Since the introduction of the variable rate displays all manufacturers have been having issues some more, some less. Most of the issues are with color rendering, but some are outright failures. You see very little of this with the Note 10+ even after 2+ years.
*I'm referencing the OP's original post. If yours differs see if a subassembly matches up with yours. Samsung makes extensive use of double sided tape in the assemblies. As I stated earlier the adhesive is pretty inert. It may be putting pressure on the display if the wrong tape was used or not mounted to specs or a part was out of spec. Samsung will substitute parts due to shortages during a production run. This is introduce unforeseen consequences.
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If you look at the teardown vids or pics you can see that none of the subassemblies or components match that position*. Therefore the defect is in the display itself especially if you can alter its appearance by heat.
It could also be a failure on the mobo but that's probably less likely vs a display failure. All the display drivers are integrated into the display. A AMOLED display is a very complex, busy piece of hardware.
It should be replaced... that's my estimate.
Since the introduction of the variable rate displays all manufacturers have been having issues some more, some less. Most of the issues are with color rendering, but some are outright failures. You see very little of this with the Note 10+ even after 2+ years.
*I'm referencing the OP's original post. If yours differs see if a subassembly matches up with yours. Samsung makes extensive use of double sided tape in the assemblies. As I stated earlier the adhesive is pretty inert. It may be putting pressure on the display if the wrong tape was used or not mounted to specs or a part was out of spec. Samsung will substitute parts due to shortages during a production run. This is introduce unforeseen consequences.
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I already checked that and had the same conclusion that it had nothing to do with any of the internal components. But I still can't understand how all the phones have the same (Gluegate) pattern
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Samsung possibly scotch-taped our phones? lol.
Haven't had any issues w/ my N20U.
Do y'all have screen protectors on your phone that have glue gate?
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Samsung possibly scotch-taped our phones? lol.
Haven't had any issues w/ my N20U.
Do y'all have screen protectors on your phone that have glue gate?
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It may be a plastiser reaction between different incapable plastics. If so it will get worse.
This is more likely.
Lol, anything you read on Reddit needs to be taken with a grain of salt.
It doesn't matter what it is, it's a Samsung defect somewhere with all notes it appears.
I don't think anyone knows exactly, I don't think Samsung will disclose it's defects, all we should care about is they acknowledge their mistake whatever it is.
Frankly I don't care what it is, it's still Samsung's fault and your note display will eventually show this as well. I've seen so many already, I thought mine was perfect untill it's not and happens overnight almost.
Hey everyone.
This problem exists, and you can change the display under a warranty or insurance.
"But if you don't have any of those here is a quick & tested fix for the issue known as "Glue Gate
Leave the phone under direct sunlight for over an hour and boom, all of that stuff will disappear.
Cheers.
Getting similar issue on my note 20 ultra.
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Samsung possibly scotch-taped our phones? lol.
Haven't had any issues w/ my N20U.
Do y'all have screen protectors on your phone that have glue gate?
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It may be related to a jig or process used in manufacturing the display. Maybe an incomplete UV cure but not sure what if anything display component related is found in that rectangle.
It may be a stiffener or a damping component of the display. Interesting... and very annoying.
The defect may be only present in certain batches.
I'm even more glad I stayed with the N10+'s. Samsung's got sloppy after that, lots of different problems in multiple models. Pretty sad that Samsung can't stop dropping balls. Even their designs suck now, but look at all those glowing reviews. Fake news, fake news everywhere...
My N20U (Android 12, One UI 4.1, latest update: Sept. 2022) does not have any display issues...yet...but have noticed that when the brightness is set very low, the display is too bright.
Using N9 as daily driver instead of N20U.
@asimklicks
Sorry you have screen issues w/ your N20U.
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Just think about it, you're sleeping like a baby and as your eyes slowly open you realize YOUR HAIR is on fire. Who wouldn't be absolutely freaking out?
Great find!
A couple of my friends, my son, and myself all have our S-Pens smell like smoke and are very warm when the S-Pen is pulled out. I'm fairly alarmed that the location of the burn marks align with where the S-Pen is located...
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A couple of my friends, my son, and myself all have our S-Pens smell like smoke and are very warm when the S-Pen is pulled out. I'm fairly alarmed that the location of the burn marks align with where the S-Pen is located...
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just pulled my S-pen out to smell it ----- darn, it does smell burned. There are no signs to the coating or anything, but the smell is very much of burned resin. I think these are all black, right? wonder what one with a lighter color looks like.
Never felt that mine was warm when I pulled it out so far though. Could be a manufacturing issue too and not related to heating while in the phone. Need somebody who receives it new to confirm.
Can confirm my pen has the acrid odor. It and the phone are cool to the touch. Not losing any sleep over it.
Note8 and Note9 also had the funny SPen smell...
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Note8 and Note9 also had the funny SPen smell...
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If you clean it, the smell goes away.
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The same can be said about things that are put in holes. ;-)
I'm no expert in fire forensics. Samsung stated in the article it was caused by an "external source" but how did they make that determination and what was the external source? They offered no evidence besides their general statement. Plus is there anyone naive enough to think Samsung wouldn't look to point it's finger at anything besides themselves? After reviewing the photos it sure looks as though the device blew up and caught fire. The good news is it doesn't look to be a widespread issue.
That nightstand didn't inspire me with confidence that there wasn't an external source, either.
The most convincing photo for me that the device caused the fire is this one. The orange colorization on back of the device doesn't look to be caused by an external source, it looks as though the heat emanated from the inside of the phone.
That phone looks like it went through hell before it was ever exposed to an ignition source or was an ignition source.
Take a good look at the camera array and also the 2 images of the phone. Things aren't adding up for me.
Also far more fire damage in the drawer compared to the top where the phone was located. Could have been a vape pen in the drawer that ignited the whole works.
Looks a lot like possible fraud intent.
Plus, the side that supposedly caught fire is the SPen slot? There's a wire (charging cable?) in the photo there too, if the phone wasn't on charge, was something else? To me, the phone isn't damaged enough for it to have been the source of combustion - but I'm no forensic expert!
I don't have a UK S22 Ultra (mine's an HK import) but I thought Samsung stopped printing the regulatory text on the back with the S9 / Note9?
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I'm no expert in fire forensics. Samsung stated in the article it was caused by an "external source" but how did they make that determination and what was the external source? They offered no evidence besides their general statement. Plus is there anyone naive enough to think Samsung wouldn't look to point it's finger at anything besides themselves? After reviewing the photos it sure looks as though the device blew up and caught fire. The good news is it doesn't look to be a widespread issue.
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The Daily Mail didn't write it. Like I said, the Daily Mail is not a reliable media outlet.
I just read this thread and it might hold some truth. My S-Pen is 'melted' possibly due to heat generated while charging. The phone had got really warm (about 40-42C) but I never cared as I charge only till 85%. I did not use the pen for a couple of days and when I try to remove it, I was in for a surprise. It got stuck inside the housing and I had to use a 3M tape to remove it. Samsung refuses to replace it here in India and charges $50 for replacement.
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I just read this thread and it might hold some truth. My S-Pen is 'melted' possibly due to heat generated while charging. The phone had got really warm (about 40-42C) but I never cared as I charge only till 85%. I did not use the pen for a couple of days and when I try to remove it, I was in for a surprise. It got stuck inside the housing and I had to use a 3M tape to remove it. Samsung refuses to replace it here in India and charges $50 for replacement.
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So what was Samsung's excuse for not covering this under warranty? They used to be pretty consistent but we're seeing more and more they're refusing to accept responsibility for obvious defects.
Probably because they don't see how 40 odd degrees would melt an S Pen?
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So what was Samsung's excuse for not covering this under warranty? They used to be pretty consistent but we're seeing more and more they're refusing to accept responsibility for obvious defects.
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They said Spen is an accessory and wont be covered under warranty. I do not believe this at all and have escalated the issue to their higher ups.
I might be working on future pixels. I've been an engineer for 18 years on electrical hardware (board level) and Google reached out for an offer. Even though it is fun to mess around with kernels and software, I am a hardware guy. I hope to have some knowledge for you guys in the future on the hardware specifically, radio.
Wow, good luck @rester555 ! Pretty soon maybe you'll have lots of information that you won't be allowed to share with us.
roirraW edor ehT said:
Wow, good luck @rester555 ! Pretty soon maybe you'll have lots of information that you won't be allowed to share with us.
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NDA life... Lol
rester555 said:
NDA life... Lol
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That's what Tails, a VPN, Starbucks/McDonalds wifi, and a cheap laptop bought specifically for Tails are for... I mean
Maybe Google will listen to you when you tell them to ditch Samsung radios.
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I might be working on future pixels. I've been an engineer for 18 years on electrical hardware (board level) and Google reached out for an offer. Even though it is fun to mess around with kernels and software, I am a hardware guy. I hope to have some knowledge for you guys in the future on the hardware specifically, radio.
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Well see what that NDA says, assuming the google overlords did just disqualify you for this message
LLStarks said:
Flat screen
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Ding, ding, ding! Winner!
roirraW edor ehT said:
Ding, ding, ding! Winner!
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Why, I like Curved, what's the annoying point for you guys here?
Just curious
AngelNine said:
Why, I like Curved, what's the annoying point for you guys here?
Just curious
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The only part I don't like about a curved screen is having to use a LOCA-based screen protector if you want to use tempered glass. Well, that and the side edges of most cases don't provide as much protection as the top and bottom edges since they are usually lowered to facilitate swiping.
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Why, I like Curved, what's the annoying point for you guys here?
Just curious
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The most major is that the quality tempered glass screen protectors for curved screens are harder to install, and there are not as many, again I would say "quality", choices available.
The second is that it's just an unusable part of the screen. Definitely my only complaint about the Pixel 6 Pro - the curve, inside an OtterBox Defender (Pro) case, made it very difficult to operate things from either side edge of the screen.
On the Pixel 7 Pro, with it's reduced curve, it's tons better, but I still don't see any advantage of having the curve versus not having one.
Ninja'd by @Lughnasadh again. LOL!
All wonderful points and something that I want to see how much sway the lowly hardware engineer has?
rester555 said:
All wonderful points and something that I want to see how much sway the lowly hardware engineer has?
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I have some complaints about Google Drive, too, both personally and for my company's work who uses Google for everything. You think you can pass on some suggestions?
Edit: My small sub-department did actually talk directly with Google on a video meeting once years ago.
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Yes, please. The Pixel 7 Pro is barely wider than my Pixel 6. Why they bothered with curved edges is beyond me. When those curves catch a glare it reduces the viewable area of the screen which makes buying a larger screen pointless. I am dealing with it so I can have the extra lens, but this curved screen infuriates me at times.
I will do my best to bring the 411 through a VPN tether tunneled through an encrypted SSL through a onion browser on a hotspot from my father's brother's nephews cousins former roommate.
Very similar to the old telephone in the shoe trick. Good thinking Max!
I don't actually mind the curve on my 7 Pro. I even found one niche use case I didn't think about - it makes it easier to move icons between home screens because I just have to drag it into the curve and it jumps screens.
My Spigen Tough Armor provides ample protection. I haven't used a screen protector since the HTC Mogul as I can't stand having something over the screen.
I do agree that Pixels need to return to Qualcomm but it won't ever happen so I'm glad the modem is at least fine for me.
rester555 said:
I will do my best to bring the 411 through a VPN tether tunneled through an encrypted SSL through a onion browser on a hotspot from my father's brother's nephews cousins former roommate.
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Make sure to turn off bluetooth.
Lughnasadh said:
Very similar to the old telephone in the shoe trick. Good thinking Max!
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Oh, wow. Time trip.
The cone of silence for you!
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Wow, good luck @rester555 ! Pretty soon maybe you'll have lots of information that you won't be allowed to share with us.
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Lmfao, my exact thoughts