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How is the real charging speed?

One reasons that I am considering the Note PRO 12.2 is the possible faster charging speed. If I watch videos and/or browse the web non-stop while charging the device, will it run out of power? I read that for the 10.1 2014, consumption of electric power is faster than charging. Thanks.

hajime_android said:
One reasons that I am considering the Note PRO 12.2 is the possible faster charging speed. If I watch videos and/or browse the web non-stop while charging the device, will it run out of power? I read that for the 10.1 2014, consumption of electric power is faster than charging. Thanks.
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The charge speed is faster than the uncharge speed on the wifi model. You might wanna take a look at the lte model though if charge time is important to you because that model has the Qualcomm Snapdragon 800 chipset. The Snapdragon 800 has QuickCharge 2.0 on board. Depending on the adapter it should charge very fast.

In case of buying, I will buy the LTE version. Thanks.

hajime_android said:
One reasons that I am considering the Note PRO 12.2 is the possible faster charging speed. If I watch videos and/or browse the web non-stop while charging the device, will it run out of power? I read that for the 10.1 2014, consumption of electric power is faster than charging. Thanks.
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When I got mine yesterday (wifi) it was at 55%. I plugged it in and started to set everything up, basically restoring from my google account, syncing corp mail, etc. It was fully loaded down with tasks. After an hour or so the battery fluctuated between 54%-56% the whole time. It wasn't until I let it go to sleep that it finally started really charging.

I can't give you metrics because I haven't measured them yet, but it definitely charges faster than it drains, so if you have it plugged in you won't take it to zero even under heavy load.
I did notice something strange however, I first tried charging it with the charger of my Note 2 phone (5v, 2A) and it charged until 90%, then got stuck there. Wouldn't go past 90%.
I then used the charger that came with the Note (visually identical to the Note 2 one) and it progressed to 100%. The difference is that the new one is 5.3v/2A. As far as I can see, the thing charges pretty fast even with the huge battery, but I'm already used to waiting a bit because of the Note 2 (3100 or 3200 mAh).

Using the stock charger with 3.2a adapter it charges slowly even with the screen on. With the screen off it charges fast - the screen is the main power draw.
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bitpushr said:
Using the stock charger with 3.2a adapter it charges slowly even with the screen on. With the screen off it charges fast - the screen is the main power draw.
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I got mine last Friday and I only charged once . Came with 40%, used it down to 17% then let it charge for like 3 or 4 hours. It's charging about the same speed as Note 10.1 (SLOWLY). It's nice but haven't had that much time to fool around with it since Friday. It's freaking expensive and that's the thing I keep thinking about 750 (32g) + 60 for a 64g Samsung Msd card. Now I got to find a case and the only ones I seen so far are the one with the BT keyboard for 100 and a Samsung case for 69.00. None of the other cases online are in stock yet.. I been trying to wait but im afraid I will drop it
It only seems slightly faster then my 10.1 (CY 11) on it but I know for video its much sharper screen.

It charges faster than the Nexus 10 provided it has bigger battery. It took around 4 hours to charge to 100% starting with 20% remaining battery. My Nexus 10 needed at least 6 hours to charge full in that situation. However, on the other side I used the device to watch a 1080p video (around 90 minutes) with WiFi on and it reduced from 55% to around 25% which is I think too much.

My batt did good the first day now it seems like it is draining very fast. I am looking into what is making it do this. I can't wait for CWM and custom Roms

Depletion time on battery - turbo charged vs normal charger

This is a poll. Again, its your normal day use.
My finding so far: my battery will deplete faster if its charged with turbo charger. I have two MXPE's : one for me and one for my wife. I charged hers to 100% using Turbo and mine with normal charger. Same settings for Moto display, same brightness level and pretty much similar usages. In fact, I use my phone more than her because I am somewhat more active on whatsapp. Her phone deleted faster than mine.
Have you guys noticed any difference in this respect? I am thinking I am going to use normal charger for night and use turbo charger only in a pinch.

I've read this assertion elsewhere too - that any quick charged phone depletes battery faster. Actually I charged my battery with my old slow charger last night to see if I'd lose less today. Subjectively (because my usage isn't really consistent), it seems like maybe the phone is discharging more slowly...

Could be a possibility but i have my lg g3 that i used for a year.. Co pairing my faily usage i get about the same hours of ost.
I think hers may be going down faster maybe because of the background apps or the ost shes using? U cant say ur using the same apps unless u tried them both for ur self..

I know this is the case. I have a Tablet and Phone when I charge them with slightly higher power chargers they deplete at a much faster rate. And when I charge with the slower charger they hold a charge much longer.
(Although bare in mind I'm talking about non Quick Charging devices so maybe that plays a huge part lol but I dont use Quick Chargers on them just slightly faster chargers when I have no choice.)
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For those of you that have noticed faster battery loss after using the quick charge have you tried the non quick charger for a night charge than at a random time used the car quick charge charger? Does the time differ at all than?

I think this needs more testing. I need to do the test on my phone alone on 2 consecutive working days.

I don't understand what the logic behind this theory would be. Just because one reviewer mentioned it all of a sudden its a thing? Not trying to argue just don't understand the logic. The battery/phone don't heat while turbo charging so why would battery deplete faster?
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jmtjr278 said:
I don't understand what the logic behind this theory would be. Just because one reviewer mentioned it all of a sudden its a thing? Not trying to argue just don't understand the logic. The battery/phone don't heat while turbo charging so why would battery deplete faster?
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A lot of people report the device gets hot when turbo charging. By the nature of the forcing of charge and the small footprint, how could it not get somewhat hot? I do not use fast charging on my Pure due to this.

devsk said:
This is a poll. Again, its your normal day use.
My finding so far: my battery will deplete faster if its charged with turbo charger. I have two MXPE's : one for me and one for my wife. I charged hers to 100% using Turbo and mine with normal charger. Same settings for Moto display, same brightness level and pretty much similar usages. In fact, I use my phone more than her because I am somewhat more active on whatsapp. Her phone deleted faster than mine.
Have you guys noticed any difference in this respect? I am thinking I am going to use normal charger for night and use turbo charger only in a pinch.
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Charging fast is bad for the battery, so it only makes sense for her not to last as long.

My wife wears down faster when I quick charge her. I only do it when I need her for short bursts.
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As I understand turbo change. The phone only utilizes turbo charge for the 0-85 or so, then the phone uses standard charging to top the battery off. I have also not noticed any heat while charging using the OEM charger provided out of the box. Believe what you will. I just don't care how you charge your battery.
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Why would the phone discharge faster after a quick charge? Isn't one hundred percent one hundred percent? I'm not flaming, I'm actually curious if there's a difference.

Idk who came up with this, your battery does not drain faster when its charged faster, its not logical.. All turbo charge or any type of quick charge does is supplies more a more faster charging rate based on the volts and amps it puts out. This should not effect your batteries life in anyway.

I can understand the thinking behind this but there is absolutely no way you can test this correctly because you aren't doing the EXACT same usage every day. Something will always differ.

Was this ever an issue with previous Moto X's?

After about a week's use I feel like the battery has a break in period. I was getting horrible battery at first. The past few days have been par (4ish hours SOT). I've only used the OEM Turbo chargers once but I have several other Turbo chargers (mainly from Galaxy's, Turbo's, etc). Almost every charger in my house could be considered a "Turbo charger" but I only receive the notification that the device recognizes a turbo charge on the OEM charger.
That said, I have worse battery life if I charge all night. It's as if the battery fully charges, then depletes, but still registers as 100%. So shortly taking it off the charger, the battery will quickly drop to low 90's and soon into the 80's. If I charge to 100% and unplug soon after my battery life is as expected.
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joshw0000 said:
After about a week's use I feel like the battery has a break in period. I was getting horrible battery at first. The past few days have been par (4ish hours SOT). I've only used the OEM Turbo chargers once but I have several other Turbo chargers (mainly from Galaxy's, Turbo's, etc). Almost every charger in my house could be considered a "Turbo charger" but I only receive the notification that the device recognizes a turbo charge on the OEM charger.
That said, I have worse battery life if I charge all night. It's as if the battery fully charges, then depletes, but still registers as 100%. So shortly taking it off the charger, the battery will quickly drop to low 90's and soon into the 80's. If I charge to 100% and unplug soon after my battery life is as expected.
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You are making an interesting point here. Anyone else can confirm?
I'm going to do a test myself. Before that I want to add that I've noticed when charging with turbocharger(I've used only the OEM's) the charged capacity tends to go a little over the 3000mha, it becomes something like ~3300mha and after plugging out it still stays like that until 90% where it stats under 3000mha charged.

I charge every night with slow charge. I am at 95% after 1 hour and 45 minutes unplugged. Checked some news a few texts and 2 phone calls. Seems normal to me.

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Battery drain is pretty evident. I am on MM Indian ROM and below are the findings.
1. Used turbo charger to top it up at 100%. Dis-connected the charger. WIFI is enabled and network is 2G (data off). All background app sync is disabled, and the only major applications running in background are firefox and whatsapp.
With medium brightness and browsing, the battery will drop to 97-98% within 5-8 minutes.
2. 100% turbo-charged at night. WIFI enabled/2G network (Data off). Woke up in the morning after 6 hours and battery is good at 98%
WIFI off and network moved to 4G/data and after browsing for 10 minutes, the battery falls to 85%
3. Instead of turbo charger, used Xaiomi MI pad charger (non-turbo) and my experience with #1 and #2 are pretty much the same.

Is it okay to charge overnight ?

Hello guys sorry if it is an innapropriate question but I want to know if it is okay to charge my s8+ over night.. does it damages the phone battery or not ? Thanks

I wouldnt. Doubt it would but would but i find it pointless. It charges pretty quick and wouldnt want to leave it charging for 5+hrs The battery is superb i would quick charge a few mins before bed. Ive gone to bed with 19% and had 17% when i woke the next morning.

ssgunner20 said:
I wouldnt. Doubt it would but would but i find it pointless. It charges pretty quick and wouldnt want to leave it charging for 5+hrs The battery is superb i would quick charge a few mins before bed. Ive gone to bed with 19% and had 17% when i woke the next morning.
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Yeah I know but i work in the morning at 7 thats why . I use it at night leave it at about 10%

Been doing that with my phones for years, haven't had a problem yet.
technically with Lith Ion the less you let it die all the way the better it is for the battery.

albaniandroid said:
Yeah I know but i work in the morning at 7 thats why . I use it at night leave it at about 10%
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It's not going to outright destroy the battery, but definitely better not to keep it on the charger. I cannot speak to your schedule and work environment. I charge mine mid day at work. If your usage is generally the same on a daily basis, just find a spot where you can squeeze in a charge or two during the day.

Always changed overnight for ever I can Remeber. Never faced any issues.
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i leave the phone on the wireless charger. it better for the battery or is the same?

let me clear it..
1st of all in modern battry charging technology overnight charging doesnt harm battery at all as lith ion batt never get overcharged..bcoz once its 100%(max threshold) charging stop and phone use batt powr
after that once it get around 100% ( lower threshold) it start charging again...
STILL I PERSONAL ADVICE TO CHARGE OVERNIGHT WITH FASTCHARGING MODE OFF(((OFFF)).
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lipon625 said:
i leave the phone on the wireless charger. it better for the battery or is the same?
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As far as I know, technically wireless chargers are worse for the battery than a wired. They produce more heat, which technically will have a larger impact on the battery. That being said, I doubt there is any appreciable difference.

xenx said:
As far as I know, technically wireless chargers are worse for the battery than a wired. They produce more heat, which technically will have a larger impact on the battery. That being said, I doubt there is any appreciable difference.
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Good point. Does ths fan cooler on the wireless one prevent as much heat?

The battery retains 95% battery life after a year of normal charging, I wouldn't worry about depreciation. Relax and enjoy the phone

No, you can charge your android overnight as they are smart enough

Boooom! Lol.....just kidding I hope

Stick with the samsung fast charger. I have a lot of other ones, and only the samsung stay cool (fan) and doesn't cycle like the cheap ones do.

Yes, as most have said, you can charge overnight. I have done this every single night for years, on all my flagship devices. Smartphone batteries have technology in them to stop charging when they hit 200% and only trickle charge them. It won't do any damage or won't cause long term battery life issues.
Just turn off fast charge if you're going to charge overnight.

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Good point. Does ths fan cooler on the wireless one prevent as much heat?
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I have the new Samsung wireless fast charger and I'd say it's just a tad warm kinda like the USB-C charging
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As far as I know, technically wireless chargers are worse for the battery than a wired. They produce more heat, which technically will have a larger impact on the battery. That being said, I doubt there is any appreciable difference.
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I've also heard the opposite, as wireless chargers charge slower they put less pressure on the battery which helps it not degrade as fast. How much difference it would make either way I dont know, possibly hardly any.
I do know keeping it between 40-80 is widely regarded as being a lot better for li-ion battery degradation than going to 100% all the time or running it really low. Accubattery for example will say you used about 0.2 battery cycles going from 35% to 80%, but 0.92 battery cycles going from 55% to maximum. They are probably just using that 40-80 rule to work it out, but assuming it is correct, you can see how much effect it has, being nearly 5x more battery cycles despite both being around a 50% charge up.
So charging it overnight will get it to maximum, which isn't great in terms of battery cycles. I have seen a couple of battery apps that I think can manage charging so that it notifies you at 80% to unplug it, but I don't think they can actually stop the charge at 80% if you leave it plugged in (althought I might be wrong on that). Again how much real difference it will make I don't really know, and it probably depends how long you plan on keeping the phone, 1 year then it shouldn't be too much of an issue, 2 years or more and I would probably at least try to keep it between 40-80% when possible.

Ha,
Been charging all my phones overnight.
Been using wireless charging since the note 3 and always please it on the charger when im next to it and not using my phone.
Never had a battery problem

Thanks everyone for their answers ..*let the overnight charging begin*

I used Ampere to check how much current was going to my phone when it was fully charged and it read 0.0 so I believe the phone cuts off the charging function when fully charged. As even on 100% without the "fully charged" portion on, it will still show trickling voltage.
Hope this helps. I also advise turning fast charging off at night just to be safe.

Best battery life tip: don't use the turbo charger!

So, I own this phone for a few weeks now and I got pretty frustrated about the battery life on this phone as I was getting 3 hrs of SOT a best.
Then I decided not to stress the battery so much by charging it with the included turbopower 25 charger all the time, and use my old (5V 2.1A) charger overnight instead. Then I was surprised to see my SOT going up to about 4.5-5hrs.
I did some research about fast charging techonlogy and found out that when you fast charge you typically don't get as much charge into a battery as with a slow charge.
I still use the turbo charger when I am short on time, but using my regular one definetely does add more juice to the battery, thus, helping it last throughout the day.

sleepdownloader said:
So, I own this phone for a few weeks now and I got pretty frustrated about the battery life on this phone as I was getting 3 hrs of SOT a best.
Then I decided not to stress the battery so much by charging it with the included turbopower 25 charger all the time, and use my old (5V 2.1A) charger overnight instead. Then I was surprised to see my SOT going up to about 4.5-5hrs.
I did some research about fast charging techonlogy and found out that when you fast charge you typically don't get as much charge into a battery as with a slow charge.
I still use the turbo charger when I am short on time, but using my regular one definetely does add more juice to the battery, thus, helping it last throughout the day.
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Will definitely try that out. Cuz my usage gets me around 4 -4.5 or even 6 if I read a little. So if this happens for me too I'm gonna get some nice battery life.

Curlyfry2121 said:
Will definitely try that out. Cuz my usage gets me around 4 -4.5 or even 6 if I read a little. So if this happens for me too I'm gonna get some nice battery life.
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Please do report

It doesn't really matter, at least not that significantly... something else is the cause.
Using a turbo charger could change the longevity of the battery, over time, due to heat buildup and breakdown of the internal components due to more stress, but it wouldn't just "get better" switching to standard charger... I charge my phone half the week on a standard charger when at home, and when traveling I use a quick charger. If I am on either at home or on the road for a few weeks at a time and my battery life doesn't change. Well, not because of the charger, but at home I am within 30' of a very high quality WiFi router all the time and essentially never on mobile data, on the road it's the complete opposite.
If you did your researching into Qualcomm's Quick Charge 2.0 (and higher) standards you would see that the issue of batteries not getting a full charge from the original QuickCharge/Fast Charge standard has been remedied with high voltage charging automatically downgraded to "standard" voltage charging during about the last 10% of the charge cycle to allow the battery to cool and take a full charge.
Not doubting your getting better SOT, just your analysis of the reason why are...

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It doesn't really matter, at least not that significantly... something else is the cause.
Using a turbo charger could change the longevity of the battery, over time, due to heat buildup and breakdown of the internal components due to more stress, but it wouldn't just "get better" switching to standard charger... I charge my phone half the week on a standard charger when at home, and when traveling I use a quick charger. If I am on either at home or on the road for a few weeks at a time and my battery life doesn't change. Well, not because of the charger, but at home I am within 30' of a very high quality WiFi router all the time and essentially never on mobile data, on the road it's the complete opposite.
If you did your researching into Qualcomm's Quick Charge 2.0 (and higher) standards you would see that the issue of batteries not getting a full charge from the original QuickCharge/Fast Charge standard has been remedied with high voltage charging automatically downgraded to "standard" voltage charging during about the last 10% of the charge cycle to allow the battery to cool and take a full charge.
Not doubting your getting better SOT, just your analysis of the reason why are...
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Maybe you're right, I'm still monitoring my battery life on both chargers, and with the same usage, my battery does last longer when charging with the regular 5V one. I'm mostly on 3G network data and rarely use wifi, as I'm mostly only sleeping or eating at home. Maybe there are other factors making this difference, though i'm pretty sure the charger is the only difference for me. Will report if I notice anything else.

I don't see any big difference, I'm also using standard charger over night and quick when I'm in the hurry. Despite charging methods my sot time is very inconsistant from 2,5h to 4h at best.

How to retain almost 100% battery capacity

I have a theory...maybe it was a fluke or maybe its true. I have a 3 year old phone, which I owned from new and has had hundreds of charging cycles, but still has 99% battery capacity of a brand new phone according to both accubattery and measuring with plug in monitor. I've only ever charged it via computer usb 2.0 which is max 500mah.
I've bought some used phones which were only around 1 year old and had just 70-80% capacity left, and yes they supported quick charge. I honestly think the main thing which reduces battery capacity over time is not charge cycles, but charge speed. Ditch the quick charge if you want to keep your battery capacity!

The main thing which kill the battery is the temperature.
And charging faster takes to higher temperature.
But there're some way in the middle.
Charge my 5000mah battery at 0,5A would takes around 3 hours...
Also it should be better charge till 80% not till 100%.
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fracama87 said:
The main thing which kill the battery is the temperature.
And charging faster takes to higher temperature.
But there're some way in the middle.
Charge my 5000mah battery at 0,5A would takes around 3 hours...
Also it should be better charge till 80% not till 100%.
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The issue is I think most people have a habit of using their quick charger at night, when it is not needed. You sleep for much longer than the phone takes to charge, even with 0.5a speed. The only time there is a benefit from quick chargers is during the day, but how many people really need to charge during the day if they start with 100%. Some people might never charge during day but still use the quick charger at night.
I think Apples recent change in IOS is more proof of this, so they keep the phone below full charge for a few hours before eventually filling it up. Phones are now charging too fast to the point that battery capacity is reducing noticeably in just a few months of use.
If you are someone who just charges overnight, replacing the quick charger with a slow speed one will definitely help maintain the battery capacity.

spix123 said:
The issue is I think most people have a habit of using their quick charger at night, when it is not needed. You sleep for much longer than the phone takes to charge, even with 0.5a speed. The only time there is a benefit from quick chargers is during the day, but how many people really need to charge during the day if they start with 100%. Some people might never charge during day but still use the quick charger at night.
I think Apples recent change in IOS is more proof of this, so they keep the phone below full charge for a few hours before eventually filling it up. Phones are now charging too fast to the point that battery capacity is reducing noticeably in just a few months of use.
If you are someone who just charges overnight, replacing the quick charger with a slow speed one will definitely help maintain the battery capacity.
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I use my phone a lot, also for hotspot often, or when I travel for gps and maps.
(yeah maybe I'm a bit too dependent but still...).
And fast change is my useful.
Anyway Asus set a smart charge mainly trying to optimize the charge speed depending from your habits (with kind of AI).
So if you put in charge during night it should charge slower.
Also in a phone of 3000mah at 60% is kind of not usable. Not the same on a phone with 5000mah.
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fracama87 said:
I use my phone a lot, also for hotspot often, or when I travel for gps and maps.
(yeah maybe I'm a bit too dependent but still...).
And fast change is my useful.
Anyway Asus set a smart charge mainly trying to optimize the charge speed depending from your habits (with kind of AI).
So if you put in charge during night it should charge slower.
Also in a phone of 3000mah at 60% is kind of not usable. Not the same on a phone with 5000mah.
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I'm not saying fast charge is bad, for sure some people can benefit... but the fact my 3 year old phone still has 99% capacity after 3 years and hundreds of charge cycles, and was only charged at maximum 500mah kind of proves that the key to keeping battery capacity is slow charging. I didn't do anything like try to keep it between 40-80% etc, the phone was very often drained to 0% and left at 100% for long time, but still it has retained almost 100% capacity. It must be the slow charging which helped keep such high capacity.

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I'm not saying fast charge is bad, for sure some people can benefit... but the fact my 3 year old phone still has 99% capacity after 3 years and hundreds of charge cycles, and was only charged at maximum 500mah kind of proves that the key to keeping battery capacity is slow charging. I didn't do anything like try to keep it between 40-80% etc, the phone was very often drained to 0% and left at 100% for long time, but still it has retained almost 100% capacity. It must be the slow charging which helped keep such high capacity.
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My 4-year device has 3300 mah and it has close to 90% capacity as well.

I think bro, that longest devices are those devices we dont care for.
If you care too much about baterry, it will "drain" faster, and "lose" capacity faster than usual.
Yea, i would agree that main thing which kills battery is temperature, and if you charged that 3 year phone from a computer slow charger, it means it wasnt your daily driver, and it wasnt neccesary.
So you didnt care when it reached 0%, you didnt cared about phone at all, you used it most probably for testing purposes i would guess.
And liion wear out by itself even if you dont use it, if you buy it new and fresh, and store it for 10 years, when you power it up, it will be dead long time, liion chemistry is active and can keep for 5-10 years, no matter if charging or idle, it will bubble up over time, and also if used, from temperature.
I own a new tablet (2 years old now), was amazed with battery, and tought myself (wow, how much i can do with this long lasting capacity), and i unlocked it this summer to custom ROM and full CPU speed all time, readed many books and learned from it, because of strong light in summer, screen was always near max so i can see, and i could feel a strong heat from where led is in lcd, and where CPU is, both sides were frying, i didnt holded tab in hand, i attached a mouse to it, but when i touched screen, it really felt uncomfortable for me, and could feel mild fry on my fingers (i remmember one time, i really burned my finger a little bit, i touched where CPU was), and imagine how much impact it had on my battery.
Even, most of the time, i kept plugged in, day and night, when i am not using it, i always keep it in charger, because i am lazy and dont want one more worry.
And guess what, it still goes good, but still i saw big decrease in capacity.
And i dont worry about batteryes anymore. I keep wifi always on, even when i when not in reach, i dont care, because it is much easier to just plug it in when you can, even when you wake up and see a 10% battery, it is enought to plug it in a charger, so when you go into a wc, and be ready for day, you will have 45%, enought until you go to work, then you can continue charge it. Or even better, buy a battery charger and never worry again.
It's meant to be used, and no matter what you do, it will last 5 years or a little longer, but of course best capacity is at 2 years.