Hello guys sorry if it is an innapropriate question but I want to know if it is okay to charge my s8+ over night.. does it damages the phone battery or not ? Thanks
I wouldnt. Doubt it would but would but i find it pointless. It charges pretty quick and wouldnt want to leave it charging for 5+hrs The battery is superb i would quick charge a few mins before bed. Ive gone to bed with 19% and had 17% when i woke the next morning.
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I wouldnt. Doubt it would but would but i find it pointless. It charges pretty quick and wouldnt want to leave it charging for 5+hrs The battery is superb i would quick charge a few mins before bed. Ive gone to bed with 19% and had 17% when i woke the next morning.
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Yeah I know but i work in the morning at 7 thats why . I use it at night leave it at about 10%
Been doing that with my phones for years, haven't had a problem yet.
technically with Lith Ion the less you let it die all the way the better it is for the battery.
albaniandroid said:
Yeah I know but i work in the morning at 7 thats why . I use it at night leave it at about 10%
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It's not going to outright destroy the battery, but definitely better not to keep it on the charger. I cannot speak to your schedule and work environment. I charge mine mid day at work. If your usage is generally the same on a daily basis, just find a spot where you can squeeze in a charge or two during the day.
Always changed overnight for ever I can Remeber. Never faced any issues.
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i leave the phone on the wireless charger. it better for the battery or is the same?
let me clear it..
1st of all in modern battry charging technology overnight charging doesnt harm battery at all as lith ion batt never get overcharged..bcoz once its 100%(max threshold) charging stop and phone use batt powr
after that once it get around 100% ( lower threshold) it start charging again...
STILL I PERSONAL ADVICE TO CHARGE OVERNIGHT WITH FASTCHARGING MODE OFF(((OFFF)).
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lipon625 said:
i leave the phone on the wireless charger. it better for the battery or is the same?
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As far as I know, technically wireless chargers are worse for the battery than a wired. They produce more heat, which technically will have a larger impact on the battery. That being said, I doubt there is any appreciable difference.
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As far as I know, technically wireless chargers are worse for the battery than a wired. They produce more heat, which technically will have a larger impact on the battery. That being said, I doubt there is any appreciable difference.
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Good point. Does ths fan cooler on the wireless one prevent as much heat?
The battery retains 95% battery life after a year of normal charging, I wouldn't worry about depreciation. Relax and enjoy the phone
No, you can charge your android overnight as they are smart enough
Boooom! Lol.....just kidding I hope
Stick with the samsung fast charger. I have a lot of other ones, and only the samsung stay cool (fan) and doesn't cycle like the cheap ones do.
Yes, as most have said, you can charge overnight. I have done this every single night for years, on all my flagship devices. Smartphone batteries have technology in them to stop charging when they hit 200% and only trickle charge them. It won't do any damage or won't cause long term battery life issues.
Just turn off fast charge if you're going to charge overnight.
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Good point. Does ths fan cooler on the wireless one prevent as much heat?
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I have the new Samsung wireless fast charger and I'd say it's just a tad warm kinda like the USB-C charging
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As far as I know, technically wireless chargers are worse for the battery than a wired. They produce more heat, which technically will have a larger impact on the battery. That being said, I doubt there is any appreciable difference.
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I've also heard the opposite, as wireless chargers charge slower they put less pressure on the battery which helps it not degrade as fast. How much difference it would make either way I dont know, possibly hardly any.
I do know keeping it between 40-80 is widely regarded as being a lot better for li-ion battery degradation than going to 100% all the time or running it really low. Accubattery for example will say you used about 0.2 battery cycles going from 35% to 80%, but 0.92 battery cycles going from 55% to maximum. They are probably just using that 40-80 rule to work it out, but assuming it is correct, you can see how much effect it has, being nearly 5x more battery cycles despite both being around a 50% charge up.
So charging it overnight will get it to maximum, which isn't great in terms of battery cycles. I have seen a couple of battery apps that I think can manage charging so that it notifies you at 80% to unplug it, but I don't think they can actually stop the charge at 80% if you leave it plugged in (althought I might be wrong on that). Again how much real difference it will make I don't really know, and it probably depends how long you plan on keeping the phone, 1 year then it shouldn't be too much of an issue, 2 years or more and I would probably at least try to keep it between 40-80% when possible.
Ha,
Been charging all my phones overnight.
Been using wireless charging since the note 3 and always please it on the charger when im next to it and not using my phone.
Never had a battery problem
Thanks everyone for their answers ..*let the overnight charging begin*
I used Ampere to check how much current was going to my phone when it was fully charged and it read 0.0 so I believe the phone cuts off the charging function when fully charged. As even on 100% without the "fully charged" portion on, it will still show trickling voltage.
Hope this helps. I also advise turning fast charging off at night just to be safe.
Related
http://www.batteryuniversity.com/parttwo-34.htm
good read as it seems many still maltreat their li-ion
acording to old ni-cam myths
Also, make sure you read http://wiki.xda-developers.com/inde... revolutionary, comparative, numeric results!
I've always said this simple statement about LiIon: Charge early and often.
Do you need to plug the phone in every time you get off a call? No. Do you need to worry about it dropping below 80%? No. Just charge as often as is convenient. Sitting at a desk for a hour working on something? Charge. Driving for more than 15m? Charge.
I think if you obsess too much you might wind up with USB connector problems from all the cycles on the connector itself, but intelligent use of the above statement should get you the most out of your battery.
EDIT: Drat, replied to the wrong topic.
khaytsus said:
I've always said this simple statement about LiIon: Charge early and often.
Do you need to plug the phone in every time you get off a call? No. Do you need to worry about it dropping below 80%? No. Just charge as often as is convenient. Sitting at a desk for a hour working on something? Charge. Driving for more than 15m? Charge.
I think if you obsess too much you might wind up with USB connector problems from all the cycles on the connector itself, but intelligent use of the above statement should get you the most out of your battery.
EDIT: Drat, replied to the wrong topic.
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that would kill the battery life fast, yea u wont run out of battery soon but keep it up and ur battery is gonna die on u after talking for 1hr
Aznskill2k said:
that would kill the battery life fast, yea u wont run out of battery soon but keep it up and ur battery is gonna die on u after talking for 1hr
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er.......what?
i believe that you have to charge your battery all the way full then use all the power until it dies then you can charge it back again
but not sure
kevinutz said:
i believe that you have to charge your battery all the way full then use all the power until it dies then you can charge it back again
but not sure
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This is the exact opposite of what this article says.
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conditioning the battery the first time you get a new phone also helps, alot of us just charge for a while them use it. all my phones i let them charge for a full 24 hours right after i get them
My battery only last 6 hours
Ugh, why don't people read the article BEFORE they comment?
newarkhiphop said:
conditioning the battery the first time you get a new phone also helps, alot of us just charge for a while them use it. all my phones i let them charge for a full 24 hours right after i get them
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Ehh, doesn't the charger uncharge when the battery is full? Like a safety thing?
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Some articles say that one battery life cycle is used up everytime when a full charge is done. Other articles say that one battery life cycle is used each the battery is connected to the charger.
I have not seen one article that shows the truth with facts.
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kevinutz said:
i believe that you have to charge your battery all the way full then use all the power until it dies then you can charge it back again
but not sure
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No offence but I always found this to be stupid reasoning.
What if you leave home with a quarter full battery and you get caught in the middle of a natural disaster (earthquake as an extreme example) and need to keep in contact with rescuers after being stuck in a building for 2 days?
Personally, I always charge my phone/laptop whenever convenient.
black50z said:
My battery only last 6 hours
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The only problem that your battery lasts only for 6 hours is due to too much charging...So when you will buy a new battery then make sure that only charge your battery when it will remain only 10%...And try to charge your battery with phone switched off..
Charge little and often, try to avoid deep discharge/charge cycles.
Back in the days of NiCd batteries there was the posibility of memory effect where if you didn't do a discharge/charge the battery wouldn't hold as much charge.
NiMH batteries do not suffer this, but discharge/charge cycles were required because when they started being used very few people had smart chargers so had to discharge to be able to time when to stop without overcharging, and also due to confused information pulled over from NiCds.
Top up charges are better for them too.
Lithium batteries also don't have memory effect, and are better off with top up charges.
Ask yourself this:
What would stress the battery more; running 1A through it for 10 minutes or 1 hour?
Also, as the battery discharges, its voltage drops so the current drain has to increase to compensate, discharging the battery even quicker (remember how capacity graphs drop off quickly?)
Say your phone needs 2W to run, with a 4v battery that's a drain of 500mA (P=VI)
When the battery has dropped to 3.5v then to produce 2W it takes approx 571mA.
batt problem
how to keep my batt good?
I've always just charged my phones overnight while I sleep. Never seen ill effects. If I don't make it home that night my phone still lasts through the next day.
It's not like that battery is irreplaceable. Go get a new one if your battery is nearing the end of it's life. By then you would have probably moved on to a new phone.
Rudegar said:
http://www.batteryuniversity.com/parttwo-34.htm
good read as it seems many still maltreat their li-ion
acording to old ni-cam myths
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skimmed a few parts, but thanks for the read mate, learned tons.
as others allready mentioned, there are many different suggestions how to take care of the battery. I usualy reload the baterry only if the capacity is <= 5%, without unpluging it before it reaches 100%.
thanks for the info!
Hello everyone
I was wondering if its ok to leave the transformer connected to the charger.
Is it like the Evo with trickle down when it reaches 100%
I dont want to over charge it. If it were my laptop i would disconnect the battery at full charge. But its not possible to do that with the transformer.
I want to keep my cycle count low and prevent over charing.
I also wonder what happens in a few years when the battery is shot...
Charging is what damages Li-Ion batteries... I'd recommend not keeping it on the charger all the time. Android will purposely not keep the battery at 100% to help avoid some damage.
Li-ion prefer to be around 20-80% charge.
When battery is 100% and you keep the charger connected, heat will begin to build up and eventually you will kill your battery.
I'd do as with a notebook: charge till 100%, then remove battery or charger (in case of the tablet charger ) . Then use your tablet and recharge when needed / desired. And from time to time a full charge / discharge cycle won't do any harm.
Just my 2 cents.
Regards.
These tablets don't automatically recognize when it's fully charged and turn off the charging?
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These tablets don't automatically recognize when it's fully charged and turn off the charging?
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They do. There are other threads asking why thier TF's don't show 100% when unplgged from the charger. Same as it does on my Evo.
I think pretty much every modern device recognizes a full charge and responds accordingly. In fact, MacBooks will throttle performance if the battery ISN'T kept in while the system is running on A/C.
Heat will damage a battery, but it's not heat from charging but heat from operation. If a notebook is poorly designed and the battery is near a heat source, then removing the battery might be a good idea (except with the aforementioned MacBooks), but that's independent of the charging issue.
I think it's fine to keep it plugged in. These devices are smart enough to manage such things. Of course, the TF's charging cable's so short it's hard to use when plugged in, but that's a different issue entirely.
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When battery is 100% and you keep the charger connected, heat will begin to build up and eventually you will kill your battery.
I'd do as with a notebook: charge till 100%, then remove battery or charger (in case of the tablet charger ) . Then use your tablet and recharge when needed / desired. And from time to time a full charge / discharge cycle won't do any harm.
Just my 2 cents.
Regards.
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From what I understand this process cannot and will not kill the battery. This did happen in the old type of batteries with the ,emory effect but these new batteries and the OS's management system for charging does not allow the battery to be killed.
it will heat up and that would happen as there is a flow of electricity but not to a level that would kill the battery.
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IS it normal to go from 4% battery to 99% in under 3 hours ?
I thought this was supposed to take 8 hours to charge.
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gpearson1968 said:
IS it normal to go from 4% battery to 99% in under 3 hours ?
I thought this was supposed to take 8 hours to charge.
Cheers,
gpearson1968
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Yes that's normal. It's meant to take about 3hrs.
Thanks guys...
Still dont know about it. Because I think its like my EVO and technology got so good that my battery is protected.
I really dont want my transformer to become a expensive paper weight or non-mobile because after a few years it has 45 mins battery life.
I've got the first full charge and full depletion done. Is it ok to use while charging now as long as I fully charge and fully deplete it a couple more times?
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Thanks guys...
Still dont know about it. Because I think its like my EVO and technology got so good that my battery is protected.
I really dont want my transformer to become a expensive paper weight or non-mobile because after a few years it has 45 mins battery life.
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batteries will degrade over time....would you be keeping this tablet for over 2-3 years? a simple battery change could work if ever needed
I am no expert, but I have spent some time searching around the internet looking for information on the best methods for improving the life of a battery. Most of the information I have found said it is bad to completely discharge a Li-polymer battery. The articarles stated it was best to charge the battery when it reaches 20% to avoid shortening its life.
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Batteries are like muscles - they like to be exercised.
Leaving the unit plugged in WILL NOT HURT YOUR BATTERY. Period. The charging circuitry in modern devices is smart enough to cut current to the battery once it has reached a certain level of resistance.
Batteries do not like being deeply discharged. Most devices will shut off before the battery gets too deeply discharged, but it's never a good idea to tempt fate by running it until the device shuts off.
What really determines a battery's life is the number of cycles it has been put through. A cycle would be a full charge followed by a full (or to a lower end threshold) discharge.
The old original Lithium Ion batteries used in laptops would usually last about 300 full cycles or so - about a year if you used it on the battery every day. Partial discharges of course only count as fractions of a cycle.
Given the life of these types of devices, considering we'll likely upgrade to the next big thing in a year or so, I don't think anyone here will come close to 'wearing out' a battery.
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I've got the first full charge and full depletion done. Is it ok to use while charging now as long as I fully charge and fully deplete it a couple more times?
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As stated, these are Li-Ion batteries, and they do not need to be trained. The only reason you might need to do any training is to calibrate Android's understanding of the battery (although I doubt you need to do a full discharge for that, either).
It's not going to suddenly kill it, but it will over time hurt your battery's life.
I went ahead and did a full discharge/charge cycle, but only because Asus said to do so in the manual. Maybe the copywriter just copied/pasted from a circa 1990's manual for a device with a NiCd battery, but I figured if they're suggesting it, I might as well do it.
So now that Mate 9 and most android flagship phones have quick/super charge, I am curious to see how others charging procedures have changed, if any.
Here is how I charge my phones. Use it throughout the day/day, and before going to bed, let it charge over night. Wake up and my phone is at 100%, use throughout the day. Repeat procedure.
Now with supercharge, do you find yourself charging it before going to bed, then once it gets to a reasonable charge %, turn it off during the night. Or do you charge it during the morning before going to work. Does not seem ideal to let it charge over night with supercharge as I have read that could dimish the battery life later on. Charge it at home or at work?
Granted that I have yet to have the Mate 9, but plan to get it soon. Just curious as to how others charge their phones using the supercharge.
Thank you for your feedback
Charging habit hasn't changed; I always charge my phones throughout the night no matter what. Doesn't hurt the battery so I don't worry about it.
Mine changed. I used to charge my iPhone 6s overnight but after getting mate 9 I charge it only in the morning. I do a quick charge after coming from office and around an hour in the morning while getting ready.
I charge my phone overnight with an older (a bit slower) charger, having my supercharger handy in case of emergency. I don't think it's necessary but it make me feel better.
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I have changed to now just charge the phone when it gets below 20% and doing it this way to keep a full charging cycle between charges as much as possible. With the fast charge now it only takes a bit more than 2 hours to complete a charge cycle,so this can be done any time of a day with no problems. Just make sure there is a charger at hand is the most important.
I usually charge mine overnight, and for that I use a slow charger as I suspect the battery might be degraded by repeated use of the fast charger. I have no proof of that of course.
I'll use the fast charger if I need to give it a boost before travelling.
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I usually charge mine overnight, and for that I use a slow charger as I suspect the battery might be degraded by repeated use of the fast charger. I have no proof of that of course.
I'll use the fast charger if I need to give it a boost before travelling.
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As far as I've read these batteries don't degrade. The older ones did. People are still thinking that these batteries act in the same way.as the older ones and they don't. Those are the facts as I know them.
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As far as I've read these batteries don't degrade. The older ones did. People are still thinking that these batteries act in the same way.as the older ones and they don't. Those are the facts as I know them.
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All batteries degrade, no way around it. They just don't degrade as fast as the ancient Nickel Cadmium ones did.
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So, I own this phone for a few weeks now and I got pretty frustrated about the battery life on this phone as I was getting 3 hrs of SOT a best.
Then I decided not to stress the battery so much by charging it with the included turbopower 25 charger all the time, and use my old (5V 2.1A) charger overnight instead. Then I was surprised to see my SOT going up to about 4.5-5hrs.
I did some research about fast charging techonlogy and found out that when you fast charge you typically don't get as much charge into a battery as with a slow charge.
I still use the turbo charger when I am short on time, but using my regular one definetely does add more juice to the battery, thus, helping it last throughout the day.
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So, I own this phone for a few weeks now and I got pretty frustrated about the battery life on this phone as I was getting 3 hrs of SOT a best.
Then I decided not to stress the battery so much by charging it with the included turbopower 25 charger all the time, and use my old (5V 2.1A) charger overnight instead. Then I was surprised to see my SOT going up to about 4.5-5hrs.
I did some research about fast charging techonlogy and found out that when you fast charge you typically don't get as much charge into a battery as with a slow charge.
I still use the turbo charger when I am short on time, but using my regular one definetely does add more juice to the battery, thus, helping it last throughout the day.
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Will definitely try that out. Cuz my usage gets me around 4 -4.5 or even 6 if I read a little. So if this happens for me too I'm gonna get some nice battery life.
Curlyfry2121 said:
Will definitely try that out. Cuz my usage gets me around 4 -4.5 or even 6 if I read a little. So if this happens for me too I'm gonna get some nice battery life.
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It doesn't really matter, at least not that significantly... something else is the cause.
Using a turbo charger could change the longevity of the battery, over time, due to heat buildup and breakdown of the internal components due to more stress, but it wouldn't just "get better" switching to standard charger... I charge my phone half the week on a standard charger when at home, and when traveling I use a quick charger. If I am on either at home or on the road for a few weeks at a time and my battery life doesn't change. Well, not because of the charger, but at home I am within 30' of a very high quality WiFi router all the time and essentially never on mobile data, on the road it's the complete opposite.
If you did your researching into Qualcomm's Quick Charge 2.0 (and higher) standards you would see that the issue of batteries not getting a full charge from the original QuickCharge/Fast Charge standard has been remedied with high voltage charging automatically downgraded to "standard" voltage charging during about the last 10% of the charge cycle to allow the battery to cool and take a full charge.
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It doesn't really matter, at least not that significantly... something else is the cause.
Using a turbo charger could change the longevity of the battery, over time, due to heat buildup and breakdown of the internal components due to more stress, but it wouldn't just "get better" switching to standard charger... I charge my phone half the week on a standard charger when at home, and when traveling I use a quick charger. If I am on either at home or on the road for a few weeks at a time and my battery life doesn't change. Well, not because of the charger, but at home I am within 30' of a very high quality WiFi router all the time and essentially never on mobile data, on the road it's the complete opposite.
If you did your researching into Qualcomm's Quick Charge 2.0 (and higher) standards you would see that the issue of batteries not getting a full charge from the original QuickCharge/Fast Charge standard has been remedied with high voltage charging automatically downgraded to "standard" voltage charging during about the last 10% of the charge cycle to allow the battery to cool and take a full charge.
Not doubting your getting better SOT, just your analysis of the reason why are...
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Maybe you're right, I'm still monitoring my battery life on both chargers, and with the same usage, my battery does last longer when charging with the regular 5V one. I'm mostly on 3G network data and rarely use wifi, as I'm mostly only sleeping or eating at home. Maybe there are other factors making this difference, though i'm pretty sure the charger is the only difference for me. Will report if I notice anything else.
I don't see any big difference, I'm also using standard charger over night and quick when I'm in the hurry. Despite charging methods my sot time is very inconsistant from 2,5h to 4h at best.
can using the phone while charging can harm charging port or battery ? im asking this because i was using some days ago my galaxy note 3 like this one day and it stopped charging and was dead..
I don't know about harming the port but, it will definitely hurt the battery, So I don't recommend doing this except when it is an emergency
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can using the phone while charging can harm charging port or battery ? im asking this because i was using some days ago my galaxy note 3 like this one day and it stopped charging and was dead..
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Note 3 was launched 4 years ago. Battery would have gone bad, you would have noticed the degradation.
In some phones, especially those which charge very fast, the temperature can rise to a high level which reduces the life of the battery, but should not impact much if you are using a phone for 1-3 years. Though one needs to stop charging / using the phone if the temperature reaches very high (say above 60 degree Celsius).
Honor 6X charges very slowly while using and the temperature doesn't rise as much (as compared to other phones), hence that impact is likely going to be lower.
Generally it's not a good idea to use whil charging all the time.
I strongly suggest you to use the phone while is under charge the less that you can, especially being careful about using it in combination with mobile data/GPS services/internet browsing and apps that requires particularly usage of RAM. This because the li-polymer battery plugged on charge with the original charger of 6X, that supports fast charge and so will "push" inside it a stronger power than a normal charger, will almost immediately reach a voltage of 4.1-4.2V to ensure the fast charge service and this is the limit that you want to maintain for being sure that the battery will last the longest time. Using it under charge with mobile data or others mentioned above, will easily overcome the 4.2V limit to 4.3V or even more, depending on what you'll be using, and so the ions capacity will be reduced faster, letting them contain less energy than the original capacity while time passes by.
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can using the phone while charging can harm charging port or battery ? im asking this because i was using some days ago my galaxy note 3 like this one day and it stopped charging and was dead..
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i prefer not using phone while charging i think it affects battery life
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i prefer not using phone while charging i think it affects battery life
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It definitely does hurt the battery.
I try to never use it, except when in emergency
It doesn't but thats not a good practice in general. With continuous usage, it may get more heated that is not good for battery, phone and eventually you.
Because charging itself will hear up the phone and using it may increase further so avoid it buddy.
https://www.lifehacker.com.au/2015/...-iphone-overnight-doesnt-destroy-the-battery/
Myth Debunked: Why Charging Your iPhone Overnight Doesn't Destroy The Battery
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https://www.lifehacker.com.au/2015/...-iphone-overnight-doesnt-destroy-the-battery/
Myth Debunked: Why Charging Your iPhone Overnight Doesn't Destroy The Battery
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Agreed. Charging phone for long time may impact the battery health in long run
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Agreed. Charging phone for long time may impact the battery health in long run
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I always charge my phone overnight for these years and nothing happens... maybe I switch phones too fast to notice battery issue... :silly:
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I always charge my phone overnight for these years and nothing happens... maybe I switch phones too fast to notice battery issue... :silly:
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Hehe may be. I will take time to charge in morning or in night during dinner for 20-40% and then in morning for another 40-50% or if wake up early then may be i charge full 100%. Anything above 80 ia good for entire if couldn't charge full still have 20-30% left when reach home in night.
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Hehe may be. I will take time to charge in morning or in night during dinner for 20-40% and then in morning for another 40-50% or if wake up early then may be i charge full 100%. Anything above 80 ia good for entire if couldn't charge full still have 20-30% left when reach home in night.
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Almost the same here; i limit the charge to 80% with Battery Charge Limit, i wake up at morning with 79-78%, i go at work and when i come back at evening usually i have around 55-60% left due various jumps here on XDA, internet browsing, some calls and a few messages. When i go to bed i plug in the phone just for a mid-hour so it can reach 80% again, then i remove it from charge and so on.