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I'm usually first in line to update firmware, but when Lollipop first launched I decided to wait until a stable custom ROM was released, and in retrospect, I'm glad I did because from what I've seen and heard, Lollipop has been a big bust.
Now I am getting a little antsy to update, but reading about the 5.1.1 gives me no confidence. Apparently the Nexus 5 still suffers from laggy performance, battery drain, and other performance issues? Can anyone attest to this? Should I just stay with KK? Are the custom ROM's any better or do they suffer from the same issues as stock ROM? I'm really disappointed with Google on this. They came out touting this and that about Lollipop, and it seems they've fallen flat on all those promises.
Stay with KitKat. 5.1.1 fixed/improved the memleak, that's it. It's still not as fast as 4.4.4. There are also issues with flashlight, camera, bounce scrolling, etc.
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Apparently the Nexus 5 still suffers from laggy performance, battery drain, and other performance issues?
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It's impossible to generalise this statement because our usage and setup is all different.
You also have to remember that the internet is for complaining, and you won't hear about or read equivalent posts with little or no issues...
My view: take a nandroid backup of your current setup. Full wipe and flash one of the latest ROMs and test for yourself.
If you discover any of these issues, then restore. If you like what you discover: win!
There is no reason to use KitKat only ( I know some guys will use Xposed as a reason ).
Lollipop has never been terrible, laggy or buggy as hell. I know that some guys have complained but some users don´t know how to handle a device.
They install every App available ( no matter if they need it or not ), collect every game ( no matter if some of these games are considered to be Malware eg. Mother of My** ).
Every system might be throttled down with 500+ Apps active and using their push notifications like there´s no tomorrow.
I never ever had any trouble with Lollipop and would never ever want to move back for good to KitKat only.
I use KitKat 4.4.4 and Lollipop 5.1.1 on my Nexus 7 ( 2013 ) with Multirom but use Lollipop most the time. KitKat is just for testing purposes only if some App I really want to use, would fail to start on Lollipop.
You could try the same and use Multirom for Nexus 5. This way you can use both OS and sooner or later, maybe remove Kitkat and stick to Lollipop+ only
"If it ain't broken, don't fix it ".
4.4.4 works great. Why mess with it? What's so much better with LP? Save yourself the aggravation.
My 2 cents.
Anderson2 said:
"If it ain't broken, don't fix it ".
4.4.4 works great. Why mess with it? What's so much better with LP? Save yourself the aggravation.
My 2 cents.
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Google ain't listening yo
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Google ain't listening yo
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You got that right. ?
Shame on Google. But we're the customers, and the customer is always right.
Lollipop is working perfectly for me
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You got that right.
Shame on Google. But we're the customers, and the customer is always right.
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Nah, that's a myth. Always has been.
Anyways, thanks for the input everyone. I think I will try dual-booting Lollipop, or whatever we call it on Android
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Lollipop is working perfectly for me
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What do you find about it that's better than kitkat? Just want to know.
Lollipop has more eye-candy to offer while performing a lot faster. The whole OS looks more refined by now and ART is a huge step in comparison to Dalvik.
Ofc some Apps might not work on Lollipop yet but I think you would miss out a lot since Android 5.1.1 ( Stock ROM ) is the fastest update I´ve ever tried.
Just downgraded 2 of my N5's to KK.
My wife hated it and I like Xposed too much.
Now that Xposed is working in 5.1.1 I will probably upgrade and give it a try again.
I keep a 3rd N5 on Kitkat and use multiRom to experiment.
5.1.1 is fast and looks good but IMHO its not as stable as KK, at least not yet anyway, i went back to KK on sunday and it was like getting my phone back, feels more solid and battery life is much better, you very well may regret upgrading.
Lolipop for me became an excercise in searching for wakelocks and trying to diagnose leaks and what was draining the phone, with Kitkat theres no hassle, it just works by itself, the way in should.
edit: i also found the signal coverage patchy on Lolipop, phone would take ages searching for a signal if it lost it,
other complaints i had were mystery battery drains and maps stalling when driving, basic stuff really.
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There is no reason to use KitKat only ( I know some guys will use Xposed as a reason ).
Lollipop has never been terrible, laggy or buggy as hell. I know that some guys have complained but some users don´t know how to handle a device.
They install every App available ( no matter if they need it or not ), collect every game ( no matter if some of these games are considered to be Malware eg. Mother of My** ).
Every system might be throttled down with 500+ Apps active and using their push notifications like there´s no tomorrow.
I never ever had any trouble with Lollipop and would never ever want to move back for good to KitKat only.
I use KitKat 4.4.4 and Lollipop 5.1.1 on my Nexus 7 ( 2013 ) with Multirom but use Lollipop most the time. KitKat is just for testing purposes only if some App I really want to use, would fail to start on Lollipop.
You could try the same and use Multirom for Nexus 5. This way you can use both OS and sooner or later, maybe remove Kitkat and stick to Lollipop+ only
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I think this is the best answer and prospect of the whole Kitkat vs Lollipop talk. I never had any problem when i was running the latest Lollipop and custom roms. Saying that Lollipop isn't stable is just saying "you are ****" to the google developers. I mean they are the best engineering and programmers in the World.
I am really glad that i bought Nexus 5 from Samsung flagship phones because i could really dig up the community of android and indie developers providing something for the community. Hell, i even bought Galaxy Nexus after i realized Nexus line phones aren't that bad.
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It feels snappier, I think the upgrade uses less resources
Motorola has finally started the Nougat soak test in Brazil. Let's hope it won't take too long for them to release the final version. However, the screenshots say it's Android 7.0 and not 7.1. Also, to make us believe it's really happening, we can have a look at the comments posted below the post. Few comments say they have received it and it's working smooth as of now.
Source: http://www.androidpit.com.br/teste-nougat-moto-x-force-e-style-comecarao-em-breve
Update 1: Motorola send out soak test invitations to US users
Update 2: Android Headlines reports Moto X Style Is Receiving Android 7.0 Nougat In India
Update 3: Moto X Style and X Pure Nougat update spotted on GFXBench (Yes, again. The last time it was spotted on 7.1 was in last week of December.)
Update 4: A user on reddit who is located near Chicago states he received the Nougat update.
Soak test is going on in India also.
This is a good news !!!!!!
soak test is only available for limited users and if anyone who will break their rules will be out of the soak test permanently so don't expect that someone might just end up sharing the files !! all we need to do is just wait for that moment when it gets as stable as a daily driver and we all are good to go
its most likely 7.0 but i hope we get a 7.1.1 or 7.1.2
Why not get it now?
Google "AICP clark"
I've been running it since Dec 2015 on Republic Wireless with no problems.
I got bored waiting for official nougat and went to AICP 7.1
It's pretty good, can't see myself going back to stock tbh
Put me down for Dirty Unicorns. Last things for me were camera functioning well (which it seems to be if using OpenCamera) and torch working well (which it seems to be improved).
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its most likely 7.0 but i hope we get a 7.1.1 or 7.1.2
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no chance for that
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no chance for that
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Doesn't matter so much. We're interested in the N blobs, i think they are the same between 7.0 and 7.1. this will at least mean better custom ROMS
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Doesn't matter so much. We're interested in the N blobs, i think they are the same between 7.0 and 7.1. this will at least mean better custom ROMS
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Even on this forum not everyone is interested with custom roms. I used to mod my phones a lot but thoose were crapy low end devices and custom roms were really adding some performance but with this phone I don't see a reason to install custom rom. Even on my old moto e I went back to stock after trying few roms, moto software is really well made imo, so it's sad that their updates are way slower than they used to be and that they relase already obsolete software ;\.
btw from my expierience there is always something broken in custom roms, and if it's not broken now it will be in next relase xd
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Even on this forum not everyone is interested with custom roms. I used to mod my phones a lot but thoose were crapy low end devices and custom roms were really adding some performance but with this phone I don't see a reason to install custom rom. Even on my old moto e I went back to stock after trying few roms, moto software is really well made imo, so it's sad that their updates are way slower than they used to be and that they relase already obsolete software ;\.
btw from my expierience there is always something broken in custom roms, and if it's not broken now it will be in next relase xd
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I'm with you here. I have no desire leave the stock ROM for any reason other than updates. It's been bug-free and smooth sailing for me with Motorola's software ever since 2015, no doubt because they stick to AOSP.
The only way I'd be interested in a custom ROM is if the developers were on a very long release cycle where they spent months ironing out every tiny bug before tinkering with new things, similar to how OEMs approach stock ROMs. That seems rare these days, though I don't follow things too closely anymore. "Man this ROM is amazing... except, oh yeah, Bluetooth breaks and requires a reboot... oh, and calls drop a lot... and, uh, call volume randomly goes to max/silent for no reason... oh yeah, and MMS just doesn't show up sometimes, and the camera crashes every 3rd open requiring another reboot" seems to be the way of the world, and I don't have patience for it. Putting up with random bugs can be worth it if it frees you from TouchWiz or Sense or LG UI, but when the stock ROM is already AOSP and fast/fluid, I don't see the point.
http://www.androidauthority.com/moto-x-style-pure-edition-nougat-758023/
I have to agree that stock rooted ROMs are my way of going now. Of course that also means I won't buy from makes like Samsung who overburden their ROMs with too much frill. Besides, with manufactures like one plus, the is really no reason to revert.
good news
ptn107 said:
Google "AICP clark"
I've been running it since Dec 2015 on Republic Wireless with no problems.
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I'm on RW too. Are you using a certain version that's working good? I just don't wanna messed up my service, but would love to try 7.1.1.
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Official Android 7.0 Nougat out for Moto X Style (Pure) in India and Brazil
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Motorola has finally started the Nougat soak test in Brazil. Let's hope it won't take too long for them to release the final version. However, the screenshots say it's Android 7.0 and not 7.1. Also, to make us believe it's really happening, we can have a look at the comments posted below the post. Few comments say they have received it and it's working smooth as of now.
Saw the same on another website this morning. I wonder how long after the soak test that it will be released in the US?
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About time. I see that the Android O developer preview is out and we don't even have 7.0 yet. Grrr!
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About time.
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not really, it's way too late imo. Start of soak test doesn't mean a lot, I guess in some regions you will have to wait like more than month since now, I guess everyone willl get it in may as it was said before, that's way too long for not so old flagship phone... We should have 7.0 already and 7.1 in may but it's not going to happen ;\ shame on you moto
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not really, it's way too late imo. Start of soak test doesn't mean a lot, I guess in some regions you will have to wait like more than month since now, I guess everyone willl get it in may as it was said before, that's way too long for not so old flagship phone... We should have 7.0 already and 7.1 in may but it's not going to happen ;\ shame on you moto
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Not Moto's fault. Blame it all on Lenovo, as the Moto's work force is pretty much non-existent.
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AsquareX said:
Saw the same on another website this morning. I wonder how long after the soak test that it will be released in the US?
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Honestly, a while... It usually goes Brazil, India, Europe, then US and UK (sometimes US/UK flip-flop). To be honest, Lenovo doesn't see the US as a major market, these phones are not carrier subsidized so their market penetration is minimal at best. US is always the last to get Moto (Lenovo) updates in the last 12-18 months. Not likely to see that change anytime soon. Each region will have it's own beta if history repeats, we are at minimum 2-3 months out in the US.
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Hi everyone, just picked up my Mate 9(MHA-L29 C567) about a few days ago, I love this device already, everything from the build to the software(ROM).
However I am pretty stumped on the fact that the custom rom development lacks for this phone but I see a few ROMs that are debloated n what not, i see that unlocking the BL and flashing is a bit more different than what I dealt with in the past. Mind you I was a flashaholic for all the phones I have owned
My question to everyone here is, is it wise to stick with just the stock ROM or should I go and flash a debloated ROM? Has anyone noticed any differences at all(Battery, SOT, Speed etc)? Rooting and all that can be done but I just dont know if its worth flashing since Ive noticed the ROM dates on these are a bit dated and nothing much has changed
I used to root my phones and use custom ROMs in the past. Matter of fact, at times I flash a different custom ROM every week.
But since I noticed the ambiguity in rooting this phone, the rate at which people where bricking (sometimes need to pay FH to be rescued), lack of development but most importantly, the phone is quite fast and UI isn't too bad, I decided to save myself the headache.
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I used to root my phones and use custom ROMs in the past. Matter of fact, at times I flash a different custom ROM every week.
But since I noticed the ambiguity in rooting this phone, the rate at which people where bricking (sometimes need to pay FH to be rescued), lack of development but most importantly, the phone is quite fast and UI isn't too bad, I decided to save myself the headache.
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Same here I was heavily into flashing ROMs and rooting my devices not even 24 hrs of ownership, but with me looking up the process of just even rooting the phone really concerns me with the amount of bricks I am seeing, and yes the phone and UI is already top notch
I added a poll for everyone to vote for
I think this thing stock is pretty good. Just got this a few days ago (MHA-L29 C567) and I'm coming from a Note 4. This thing is freaking fast as it is. Any bloat I disabled/uninstalled if it would let me. I to am a total flashaholic, but with this I feel theres no need. As long as Huawei gets some updates going through the pipes I'm happy with this thing!
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I think this thing stock is pretty good. Just got this a few days ago (MHA-L29 C567) and I'm coming from a Note 4. This thing is freaking fast as it is. Any bloat I disabled/uninstalled if it would let me. I to am a total flashaholic, but with this I feel theres no need. As long as Huawei gets some updates going through the pipes I'm happy with this thing!
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Same here, i uninstalled/disabled unnecessary apps, still very snappy, even from day 1 it was fast
I hope so too about Huawei sending out updates, if we get Oreo I'll be set till the Mate 11 or whatever Huawei is going to provide
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Same here, i uninstalled/disabled unnecessary apps, still very snappy, even from day 1 it was fast
I hope so too about Huawei sending out updates, if we get Oreo I'll be set till the Mate 11 or whatever Huawei is going to provide
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It should see at least one major upgrade I would think. I mean it's a flagship and just under a year old
Stick with stock
I would flash a custom rom if it was easy just for fun... But I am happy with it
First phone I haven't rooted - there are a few tweaks I'd like, and a few apps I'd like to uninstall, but apart from those minor issues this phone is a gem.
(yet another Note 4 user)
Stick with stock. Root and uninstalling unwanted apps are pretty easy.
I flashed custom rom however I think the stock rom is very good and has better battery life. I flash custom rom just for fun and I like the extra function of KangVip apk.
ok i am flashaholic
unlocked, root, twrp and flashed two roms from here (RomAur and Ephemeral Mate 9) but they ****ed up my M9 (bootloop and lot of other s..t) then back to stock then all again then rebrand, then Firedance rom for L29, then next ver., then next, then rebrand back to L09 then flashed Firedance-MHA-L09C432B194 from other forum and thats a winner
now waiting for next ver.
I was also a flashaholic once upon a time. This is the first device I have not rooted. I feel the stock experience has taken on a new life, things that we used to root for are now becoming part of the stock system. The only thing I wish I could have is a system wide add blocker. I know there are ways to do this without root (and I'm using them) but the root variants are better.
Nevertheless, keep this thing stock, don't root, use the heck out of it and don't think about it. [emoji3]
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By the way, for the US C567 there is a new Beta build out, B230.
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By the way, for the US C567 there is a new Beta build out, B230.
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I'm on C567B190 with TWRP and Root.
Can I flash B230 without losing data and root?
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I'm on C567B190 with TWRP and Root.
Can I flash B230 without losing data and root?
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I suppose you can flash it and keep root if you pre root it and package it as a flashable zip. As far as keeping data, I don't think so.
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for all those that say that emui is better than........... well..... anything else, thats just wrong. i had this phone for about a week and i sold it asap. i bought it off ebay for a real cheap price. i fixed the cracked screen and found someone at school that wanted it. emui is just bad. its not as bad 4.0 and what not but its still horrible.
its far too modified to be of any use. if huawei just added their own bloat and "optimizations" without the UI crippling it would be okay. as it is one cant add any quick tiles which is horrible. almost all other oems dont cripple android to the same extent as huawei.
sadly the mate 9 has no custom roms and it looks like it will never have them so its not viable choice. i dont see that changing anytime soon.
The first android that I haven't rooted.
I'm using blokada to block ads which is working pretty well but I wish there was a way of deleting some of the stock apps (especially the calendar) or at the very least deactivating them so they didn't come back.
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I'm on C567B190 with TWRP and Root.
Can I flash B230 without losing data and root?
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That's exactly what I would be looking to do too, Allan on a C567 (well currently that anyway, rebranded). Let me know if you have any luck doing it.
droidbot1337 said:
for all those that say that emui is better than........... well..... anything else, thats just wrong. i had this phone for about a week and i sold it asap. i bought it off ebay for a real cheap price. i fixed the cracked screen and found someone at school that wanted it. emui is just bad. its not as bad 4.0 and what not but its still horrible.
its far too modified to be of any use. if huawei just added their own bloat and "optimizations" without the UI crippling it would be okay. as it is one cant add any quick tiles which is horrible. almost all other oems dont cripple android to the same extent as huawei.
sadly the mate 9 has no custom roms and it looks like it will never have them so its not viable choice. i dont see that changing anytime soon.
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Well, that's YOUR opinion. A lot of people like it this way.
I have never seen so many problems with an official rom like Pie for OP6.
Is it possible that the OP company is simply testing this rom for the new OP6t?
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I have never seen so many problems with an official rom like Pie for OP6.
Is it possible that the OP company is simply testing this rom for the new OP6t?
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what problems do u have
because i dont have any
I have no problems either, maybe perform a factory reset, this is highly recommended after major update and usually solves any possible problem...
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I have never seen so many problems with an official rom like Pie for OP6.
Is it possible that the OP company is simply testing this rom for the new OP6t?
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I am facing many problems in Official Pie release:
1. Sometimes GPS location doesn't get updated.
2. Abrupt device restart
3. While connecting with bluetooth in Car, volume gets automatically decreased but phone shows that volume is full.
4. Loudspeaker volume is low as compared to Oneplus with Oreo.
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I have no problems either, maybe perform a factory reset, this is highly recommended after major update and usually solves any possible problem...
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what problems do u have
because i dont have any
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You guys don't understand. I am not and will not use the Pie, because Oreo kinda works already, and I am not the kinda guy who fixes things that aren't broken.
However, I have been following the official OP6 forum on their website, and the volume of new threads and complaints about broken things has increased 10-fold since the release of stable Pie. I've never seen anything like that in any smartphone forum on any site.
I think that since the release of Pie stable, the number of new complaining threads is easily in multiple hundreds if not thousands.
Hence my idea about them releasing it early to fix bugs for OP6t release.
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You guys don't understand. I am not and will not use the Pie, because Oreo kinda works already, and I am not the kinda guy who fixes things that aren't broken.
However, I have been following the official OP6 forum on their website, and the volume of new threads and complaints about broken things has increased 10-fold since the release of stable Pie. I've never seen anything like that in any smartphone forum on any site.
I think that since the release of Pie stable, the number of new complaining threads is easily in multiple hundreds if not thousands.
Hence my idea about them releasing it early to fix bugs for OP6t release.
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okay, than how do you think apple release 11 beta version before dropping stable but there are still some bugs. On the other hand, oneplus only released 4 dp before stable came out, obviously there's always missing, but at least you can rollback to oreo if you want
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I am facing many problems in Official Pie release:
1. Sometimes GPS location doesn't get updated.
2. Abrupt device restart
3. While connecting with bluetooth in Car, volume gets automatically decreased but phone shows that volume is full.
4. Loudspeaker volume is low as compared to Oneplus with Oreo.
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Do a full wipe and flash the OTA file. Then report back.
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You guys don't understand. I am not and will not use the Pie, because Oreo kinda works already, and I am not the kinda guy who fixes things that aren't broken.
However, I have been following the official OP6 forum on their website, and the volume of new threads and complaints about broken things has increased 10-fold since the release of stable Pie. I've never seen anything like that in any smartphone forum on any site.
I think that since the release of Pie stable, the number of new complaining threads is easily in multiple hundreds if not thousands.
Hence my idea about them releasing it early to fix bugs for OP6t release.
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Hmm? Are you new to operating systems in general? Every time a major update hits (every year), bugs are bound to happen and it's why updates/bugfixes exist. Either do what you were already suggested (factory reset) or wait a while. The 6T has nothing to do with major updates having some wrinkles from the get-go and people generally not doing a factory reset every time a major update comes while expecting long term stability.
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Hmm? Are you new to operating systems in general? Every time a major update hits (every year), bugs are bound to happen and it's why updates/bugfixes exist. Either do what you were already suggested (factory reset) or wait a while. The 6T has nothing to do with major updates having some wrinkles from the get-go and people generally not doing a factory reset every time a major update comes while expecting long term stability.
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I said that I did not use Pie, nor was I planning on using it. Therefore, there's no need to factory reset.
I also said that I've never seen such an unprecedented volume of complaints after an OS release or update - hundreds of new threads, thousands of people complaining.
No, I'm not new to android, just look at my stats.
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I said that I did not use Pie, nor was I planning on using it. Therefore, there's no need to factory reset.
I also said that I've never seen such an unprecedented volume of complaints after an OS release or update - hundreds of new threads, thousands of people complaining.
No, I'm not new to android, just look at my stats.
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My point about operating systems in general still stands. You will always read about people having issues but you'll barely read about users not having any issues. I am a stable OOS 9.0 user without issues. I did my homework by backing up just so I could start that new OS fresh and couldn't be happier. I have seen hundreds of complaints about new OS updates before, just take a look at Windows 10 build 1809 and that's just one example of many that supports my point of new major updates in general. In the end, it boils down to your choice of staying where you are, backing up to start fresh like I and many others did or just wait in the bench for several months until the dust settles.
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My point about operating systems in general still stands. You will always read about people having issues but you'll barely read about users not having any issues. I am a stable OOS 9.0 user without issues. I did my homework by backing up just so I could start that new OS fresh and couldn't be happier. I have seen hundreds of complaints about new OS updates before, just take a look at Windows 10 build 1809 and that's just one example of many that supports my point of new major updates in general. In the end, it boils down to your choice of staying where you are, backing up to start fresh like I and many others did or just wait in the bench for several months until the dust settles.
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What you say is certainly true, but here's more facts to consider, so maybe you can see my point better.
Last time, when OP updated to Oreo, it took them about 3 months from when Google released it.
This time, it was about 6 weeks. I think that's a clear indication that the OS was rushed this time around. The reason, imo, is in my original post.
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I said that I did not use Pie, nor was I planning on using it. Therefore, there's no need to factory reset.
I also said that I've never seen such an unprecedented volume of complaints after an OS release or update - hundreds of new threads, thousands of people complaining.
No, I'm not new to android, just look at my stats.
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How, or better yet why would you come here to complain about something you haven't even tried? I've run every OOS version since launch. Many of those complaints are maybe legit, but just as many if not more are most likely user induced. I personally have seen very few major issues even on the beta versions, and I haven't experienced any of the things you listed.
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How, or better yet why would you come here to complain about something you haven't even tried? I've run every OOS version since launch. Many of those complaints are maybe legit, but just as many if not more are most likely user induced. I personally have seen very few major issues even on the beta versions, and I haven't experienced any of the things you listed.
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My frIend, I'm not complaining, I'm discussing.
Also, it's true that a lot of complaints are user error. However, I was commenting on the overall volume and rate of complaints. As the overall rate increased 10-fold, so did the rate of legitimate complaints. Makes sense?
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What you say is certainly true, but here's more facts to consider, so maybe you can see my point better.
Last time, when OP updated to Oreo, it took them about 3 months from when Google released it.
This time, it was about 6 weeks. I think that's a clear indication that the OS was rushed this time around. The reason, imo, is in my original post.
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Again, the decision is yours. No company can please everyone. Some want faster updates while some want more stable releases. If this was indeed "rushed" I would have experienced instability even after clean flashing, same with other users. I don't know if you are deliberately omitting the fact that there were Pie Preview betas long before the official release for both OOS and HydrogenOS. I'm sorry but I can't give much weight to your point because my experience differs greatly from what you're stating and because you are yet to give the OS a chance. I suggest you give it a chance. I repeat, the decision is yours and my statement is based on my own experience.
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My frIend, I'm not complaining, I'm discussing.
Also, it's true that a lot of complaints are user error. However, I was commenting on the overall volume and rate of complaints. As the overall rate increased 10-fold, so did the rate of legitimate complaints. Makes sense?
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I get what you're saying. I don't frequent the OnePlus forums; you get a lot of people there that don't have a clue.
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Again, the decision is yours. No company can please everyone. Some want faster updates while some want more stable releases. If this was indeed "rushed" I would have experienced instability even after clean flashing, same with other users. I don't know if you are deliberately omitting the fact that there were Pie Preview betas long before the official release for both OOS and HydrogenOS. I'm sorry but I can't give much weight to your point because my experience differs greatly from what you're stating and because you are yet to give the OS a chance. I suggest you give it a chance. I repeat, the decision is yours and my statement is based on my own experience.
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Maybe you should visit the OP6 official forums, see for yourself.
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Maybe you should visit the OP6 official forums, see for yourself.
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What I am seeing for myself is my experience with the official stable release which has been great and not basing my complaints solely other people's feedback. That is called forming my own opinion. People that clean flashed like me encouraged you to give the OS a chance yet you insist on pointing to others. What was the point of this thread again?
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I get what you're saying. I don't frequent the OnePlus forums; you get a lot of people there that don't have a clue.
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Bingo. Reason #1 for not even bothering going there again.
I don't want pie either, had it went back to Oreo. Phone keeps bugging me to update, tired of being pestered. Haven't found a way to stop the update messages.
Official Pie is smooth, fast, and bug-free. OnePlus forums are full of morons. Very few "pie bug" threads on xda, that tells you all you need to know about how "buggy" pie is.
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What I am seeing for myself is my experience with the official stable release which has been great and not basing my complaints solely other people's feedback. That is called forming my own opinion. People that clean flashed like me encouraged you to give the OS a chance yet you insist on pointing to others. What was the point of this thread again?
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Bingo. Reason #1 for not even bothering going there again.
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So you can have your opinion but others cannot ? Regardless what OP states in his post any software is bound to have error,bugs, improvement points . just because you are content with using the phone with said issues if any does not mean it does not have any issues or that every one should be content with using the OS as is.
XDA is a place to develop , improve and to an extent troubleshoot . I agree what OP states in his statement is broad and should have listed in his first which he later did . Its better to respond to those issues , if you can fix them or have a work around but do not discourage anyone from expressing their views.
As you said every one forms their options based on there usage , let him state his views
Hi all,
i own a Tab S6 T860 (non-lte) for quite a while now, about 6 months.
There are some downsides like the horrible unbuffered screen tearing that you'll get with fast-scrolling, but the overall device is pretty premium-sided, and it's got a decent processor, a great display (color/resolution wise) although im missing 2160p in youtube.
Question is as i (until now) didnt bothered developing for a new device, since i had my hands full with the MiPad4, some alcatel devices and are Maintaining official LineageOS for three legacy devices, should i develop for this one if the community still wants it.
The lead-dev of the MiPad left it so im thinking about developing for the Tab S6 now.
I would only develop LineageOS, starting with 16.0 then doing 17.1 and then 18 but idk how long it would take, since ive no real knowledge of the newest platforms and how they are built, so i'd be reading/trying out stuff a LOT before some release nightlies. The "latest" i developed for was the MiPad4 with a sdm660 btw but i mainly do legacy (e.g 8953/8952/8926).
So please leave your feedback or any other opinions/questions, if we reach a decent amount of people who still want it i'll start right away when im back home from my vacations on 18th.
Best Regards!
Edit: Since theres no real telegram group, and i MAINLY talk via telegram i made one so you can contact me quickly.
https://t.me/joinchat/Bn6f-VKeQfZfiKXo69h3Mw
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I would LOVE to have LOS on my Tab S6 (SM-T860) WiFi-only tablet!
Don't even care about stuff like fingerprint, external keyboard, Widevine, Bluetooth, any 'functionality' similar to what Samsung 'provides' like, you name it.
I've spent sooo much time, and a few dollars, trying to get preinstalled stuff to *not* work! but still be able to boot—Knox bull****, anyone?
And having telephony **** on my WiFi-only tablet, either. Something that has baffled me for years is why a 'custom' ROM for a Wifi-only device has software that trys to interact with nonexistent hardware, using up cpu as it continually tries...on a bit of a rant, there.
So yeah, I'm all in. FWIW, I helped write the instructions, and did a *lot* of testing for rooting the Tab S5e, so I ain't scared to test out stuff; check it out, here:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/tab-s5e/how-to/galaxy-tab-s5e-sm-t720-root-t3947806
TiTiB said:
I would LOVE to have LOS on my Tab S6 (SM-T860) WiFi-only tablet!
Don't even care about stuff like fingerprint, external keyboard, Widevine, Bluetooth, any 'functionality' similar to what Samsung 'provides' like, you name it.
I've spent sooo much time, and a few dollars, trying to get preinstalled stuff to *not* work! but still be able to boot—Knox bull****, anyone?
And having telephony **** on my WiFi-only tablet, either. Something that has baffled me for years is why a 'custom' ROM for a Wifi-only device has software that trys to interact with nonexistent hardware, using up cpu as it continually tries...on a bit of a rant, there.
So yeah, I'm all in. FWIW, I helped write the instructions, and did a *lot* of testing for rooting the Tab S5e, so I ain't scared to test out stuff; check it out, here:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/tab-s5e/how-to/galaxy-tab-s5e-sm-t720-root-t3947806
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Thanks for the info about the S5e, i was unaware of how well it is supported.
I would definitely do stuff like fingerprint, widevine, Bluetooth (PEN) and stuff.
But idk about those keyboards samsung offers and how they function since i cant test it on my own.
Same goes for the LTE but im pretty sure i can just use the same blobs.
BTW anyone has a firehose package for the tab s6 by chance???
I too would love LOS in this device. Samsung UI is cluttery, lagging (on mine), and an absolute mess. My PocoF1 gives me better Honkai Impact 3 (a gatcha action fighting game) performance than this tablet, and the poco is an SD845, with lite LOS. So yeah, I'd love to have this. My warranty is void anyways (because samsung decided so I haven't done a thing to void it), so it'd be great to have a reason to take advantage of that.
Chiming in for a plea to get a Lineage build for the Tab S6.
Such a gorgeous piece of hardware beset by such a ****ty software implementation. Why does Samsung insist on abusing its customers? I'd gladly pay for a Lineage or AOSP rom for our device.
Alright, a little update:
Kernel is done -> link found below
It has to be handled with care as of now. Installing it on my running rom resulted in a crash when unlocking the device. A quick factory reset fixed the problem but keep that in mind when installing this on your device.
Rom will follow up hopefully till next month - but i cant promise anything.
T-860:
https://dl.keksla.wtf/boot_t860.img
T-865:
(uploading)
Thargorsson said:
Alright, a little update:
Kernel is done -> link found below
It has to be handled with care as of now. Installing it on my running rom resulted in a crash when unlocking the device. A quick factory reset fixed the problem but keep that in mind when installing this on your device.
Rom will follow up hopefully till next month - but i cant promise anything.
T-860:
https://dl.keksla.wtf/boot_t860.img
T-865:
(uploading)
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i would love to have custom kernel for samsung rom, but i don mind if you can make enhancements to the kernel like under volt or to solve the graphics lagging issues. it was just tiny changes involved in the past to make it work for both stock and LineageOS but for android 10, i have no idea
i have long inactive in both rom and kernel developments and i doubt how long should it take to get familiar with changes from android 7 to 10
ps i am still on pie, too lazy to upgrade due to my csc is tgy, which lacks updates as usual, and i dont wanna reinstall everything as to switch to dbt and to re-enter all my passwords
btw, may i ask if the stock android 10 fixed the problem with fast scrolling? i have experiences lags and graphics distortions with the samsung browser which was way toooooo unacceptable for a top device like tab s6
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i would love to have custom kernel for samsung rom, but i don mind if you can make enhancements to the kernel like under volt or to solve the graphics lagging issues. it was just tiny changes involved in the past to make it work for both stock and LineageOS but for android 10, i have no idea
i have long inactive in both rom and kernel developments and i doubt how long should it take to get familiar with changes from android 7 to 10
ps i am still on pie, too lazy to upgrade due to my csc is tgy, which lacks updates as usual, and i dont wanna reinstall everything as to switch to dbt and to re-enter all my passwords
btw, may i ask if the stock android 10 fixed the problem with fast scrolling? i have experiences lags and graphics distortions with the samsung browser which was way toooooo unacceptable for a top device like tab s6
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nope, sadly we still suffer from those issues on Q .
I dont have any good knowledge of how to apply those undervolts as i never done it before (lineageos requires stock govenors for official) but if you can point me to the correct commits i can look at it
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nope, sadly we still suffer from those issues on Q .
I dont have any good knowledge of how to apply those undervolts as i never done it before (lineageos requires stock govenors for official) but if you can point me to the correct commits i can look at it
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oh...
there were some cpu/voltage tweaks for the same cpu before for my old devices. and for our tab s 6 there are a few devices with the same cpu like one plus. you can search the cpu model in github and then you can find the code name of it and those devices which use the same cpu. i used to get those tweaks for modifying kernels for my previous devices. however for our 855, sadly there's no port for the samsung devices afaik, so you may need to make some more changes in order to port them
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just found this one https://github.com/kdrag0n/proton_bluecross/releases
it should be a 855 with some oc according to the change log, but unfortunately i couldnt load the changes with my browser so i couldnt find the relevant commits
may be you can take a look at that
Thargorsson said:
Hi all,
i own a Tab S6 T860 (non-lte) for quite a while now, about 6 months.
There are some downsides like the horrible unbuffered screen tearing that you'll get with fast-scrolling, but the overall device is pretty premium-sided, and it's got a decent processor, a great display (color/resolution wise) although im missing 2160p in youtube.
Question is as i (until now) didnt bothered developing for a new device, since i had my hands full with the MiPad4, some alcatel devices and are Maintaining official LineageOS for three legacy devices, should i develop for this one if the community still wants it.
The lead-dev of the MiPad left it so im thinking about developing for the Tab S6 now.
I would only develop LineageOS, starting with 16.0 then doing 17.1 and then 18 but idk how long it would take, since ive no real knowledge of the newest platforms and how they are built, so i'd be reading/trying out stuff a LOT before some release nightlies. The "latest" i developed for was the MiPad4 with a sdm660 btw but i mainly do legacy (e.g 8953/8952/8926).
So please leave your feedback or any other opinions/questions, if we reach a decent amount of people who still want it i'll start right away when im back home from my vacations on 18th.
Best Regards!
Edit: Since theres no real telegram group, and i MAINLY talk via telegram i made one so you can contact me quickly.
https://t.me/joinchat/Bn6f-VKeQfZfiKXo69h3Mw
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I'm in at 17.1 level and up. Don't want to go back...
YES! Yes please please please! I have been dreaming and hoping LOS would come to the Tab S6 for SO long now. So yes, please make a rom for it. Please.
I would love to have LOS rom support on the Tab S6! The lack of Lineage OS support was the one thing holding me back from purchasing the Tab S6, compared to the Tab S5E, but I wanted the faster processor, storage, and larger memory capacity.
That said, if you develop a working LOS rom, that would be a huge win for all Tab S6 users!
I don't think there is a person on XDA with the tab S6 that would not want to see a custom lineage Rom built. I do want a working Spen though. Im on stock 10 One UI 2.5 and samsung is extremely slow at releasing the kernel source code for the 860. Its definitely worth it to use to build one if you can. Thanks for developing on the tab S6.
LOS for T-865 ?! Yes, absolutely
P.S: Working pen would be great of course.
Still On The Fence.
lucgardos said:
LOS for T-865 ?! Yes, absolutely
P.S: Working pen would be great of course.
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I would support a ROM for this device, but I am leery about past issues and previous devices. I had 3 smp600 units, and all three were beaten to the edge with constant testing of all the ROMS I could grab. But, only ONE of those tabs choked on something from a pure LOS build. Then it hit a brick wall. I could never find a way past a Nov 18 build. So, now with two smt870 units, I will tread lightly. And, big question: WHY are we STILL stuck with ODIN for this process? I know nothing of the process of coding and writing these great ROMS, but having to drag out a WINDOWS laptop to update my android device seems like many steps backwards. I have no NEED for a laptop save for praying for Odin to even run properly. Wish there were better ways for us old farts who've forgotten more tricks than new ones have been taught. But, I am on board to get the Sammy off of my tab. Thanks for your errors.
;-DeanoD
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I would support a ROM for this device, but I am leery about past issues and previous devices. I had 3 smp600 units, and all three were beaten to the edge with constant testing of all the ROMS I could grab. But, only ONE of those tabs choked on something from a pure LOS build. Then it hit a brick wall. I could never find a way past a Nov 18 build. So, now with two smt870 units, I will tread lightly. And, big question: WHY are we STILL stuck with ODIN for this process? I know nothing of the process of coding and writing these great ROMS, but having to drag out a WINDOWS laptop to update my android device seems like many steps backwards. I have no NEED for a laptop save for praying for Odin to even run properly. Wish there were better ways for us old farts who've forgotten more tricks than new ones have been taught. But, I am on board to get the Sammy off of my tab. Thanks for your errors.
;-DeanoD
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Well if your not rooted you dont need odin you can install official release update. If you mean to install custom rom like lineage you again dont need odin after you install TWRP.
Actually, on debloated rooted stock ROM I don't see any problems so far..Device is holding it solid and sound.
Flavour of Lineage is absolutely welcome, but personaly I wouldn't use it because a lot of bugs and non functional addons.
Personally...this tablet without pen is like Ferrari without fuel.
Rooted debloated stock is miles ahead of Samsung's incompetent shadow apps. But even as stripped down as I can make it, the ROM still lags and burns battery in the background. I've tried everything and can't get this beautiful expensive piece of hardware to perform to its specs. I respect others who love it as is, but I've never gotten comfortable with the pen and just want a light, fast tablet with a beautiful screen that doesn't overtax its battery.
I'd switch to Lineage on this device in a heartbeat.
this project still alive? seems dead for me.