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KitKat?

When should we expect the release of KitKat for the Relay?

When TeamApexQ deems fit to release it.
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Nardholio said:
When TeamApexQ deems fit to release it.
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Nardholio, do you expect any major innovations, and most importantly, any major sources of bugs or instabilities with KitKat?
Thanks!!

Guiyoforward said:
Nardholio, do you expect any major innovations, and most importantly, any major sources of bugs or instabilities with KitKat?
Thanks!!
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That's a question we won't really be able to answer until there is more solid information on KitKat generally available.

Looks like CM is setting up the KitKat AOSP code for there builds Check out @CyanogenMod's Tweet: https://twitter.com/CyanogenMod/status/396000889011326976
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Cyanogenmod Google+ post " Android 4.4 Source
Source is now being pushed to the AOSP trees. Of course, when it is all there we will begin the process of figuring out what changed, needs work, and/or is no longer feasible or needed.*
We are not in a rush to get 4.4 builds out. We are going to continue the process of working on CM 10.2 M1 - getting that out the door and onto your devices. Further, we will 'finish' the 10.2 code base, similar to what we did with 10.1.*
As a friendly reminder, please don't flood us with requests for 4.4 - we all want new and shiny things, but we will not do so at the expense of abandoning the hard work our contributors have put into 10.2.*
Final note, a lot of folks are reading into the "512mb" item on the release notes. No, this does not mean a sudden resurrection of older hardware, there are dependencies beyond the RAM (and CM has enforced that minimum since ICS)."
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pst @Magamo this thread was best ended with a simple "when I say so" response and nothing more
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Nardholio said:
pst @Magamo this thread was best ended with a simple "when I say so" response and nothing more
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I actually was referring to an official KitKat OTA update from T-mobile.
How long did it take them to release a JB update after it was first introduced?
I have no interest in a CM ROM full of bugs and things that don't work.

andrewsfm said:
I actually was referring to an official KitKat OTA update from T-mobile.
How long did it take them to release a JB update after it was first introduced?
I have no interest in a CM ROM full of bugs and things that don't work.
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Given that we never got upgraded to 4.2 or 4.3 by T-mobile/Samsung, I kinda doubt we'll be getting an official 4.4. And our CM rom, which has been built for us by a couple of people working for free, currently has fewer bugs than the official ROMs.

Jax184 said:
Given that we never got upgraded to 4.2 or 4.3 by T-mobile/Samsung, I kinda doubt we'll be getting an official 4.4. And our CM rom, which has been built for us by a couple of people working for free, currently has fewer bugs than the official ROMs.
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4.2 and 4.3 were minor updates with no name change. JB was a major update and they did update to it.
4.4 KitKat being a major update, I've got my fingers crossed considering the wide range of devices that it's being planned for.
Was just hoping to see if there was any news on a KK update for this model.
CM is fun to play with and all, but it's not something I would trust on an everyday phone.

I use CM as a daily driver every day, and have been doing so since 10.2 became CyanogenMod official - everything just works. Now I'm not one of those people who demands a LOT of my phone, but I use it in the course of doing my job daily and it performs better, and more efficiently (with regards to battery consumption) than it did on the debloated stock rom, so much so that I deleted my Nandroid of that setup.
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onebornoflight said:
I use CM as a daily driver every day, and have been doing so since 10.2 became CyanogenMod official - everything just works. Now I'm not one of those people who demands a LOT of my phone, but I use it in the course of doing my job daily and it performs better, and more efficiently (with regards to battery consumption) than it did on the debloated stock rom, so much so that I deleted my Nandroid of that setup.
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I'm not sure if I fall into the category of demanding alot from my phone, but if there are issues like, Wifi and BT can't be on at the same time, that's not good enough. That's a serious issue. So if I forget to turn one of them off, stuff stops working? That's not okay...
I want my camera to work, for videos and photos. I want the phone to do everything the hardware is supposed to do.

andrewsfm said:
I'm not sure if I fall into the category of demanding alot from my phone, but if there are issues like, Wifi and BT can't be on at the same time, that's not good enough. That's a serious issue. So if I forget to turn one of them off, stuff stops working? That's not okay...
I want my camera to work, for videos and photos. I want the phone to do everything the hardware is supposed to do.
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Awesome! And you want that for free? You don't seem to appreciate a lot the effort that other people are putting into this...

The wifi/bluetooth issue isn't that bad. It only falls apart when WiFi is on and connected to a 2.4GHz access point, and bluetooth is on and connected to a bluetooth device. If you have an N wifi access point that operates at 5Ghz, you can just connect to that instead of the 2.4Ghz node and then the two play nice. It's what I do.

Jax184 said:
The wifi/bluetooth issue isn't that bad. It only falls apart when WiFi is on and connected to a 2.4GHz access point, and bluetooth is on and connected to a bluetooth device. If you have an N wifi access point that operates at 5Ghz, you can just connect to that instead of the 2.4Ghz node and then the two play nice. It's what I do.
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I would do this if I had a 5GHz AP, but what I'm saying is that I don't want to have to worry about stuff like that.
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Awesome! And you want that for free? You don't seem to appreciate a lot the effort that other people are putting into this...
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I don't want anything for free, except a stock KitKat update from T-Mobile/Samsung for the hardware I paid for... At no point did I say I was interested in CM. I've been explaining why I'm not, the whole time.
I started this thread to find out how long historically after the release of a new OS, does it usually take Samsung/T-Mobile to release an OTA?

andrewsfm said:
I would do this if I had a 5GHz AP, but what I'm saying is that I don't want to have to worry about stuff like that.
I don't want anything for free, except a stock KitKat update from T-Mobile/Samsung for the hardware I paid for... At no point did I say I was interested in CM. I've been explaining why I'm not, the whole time.
I started this thread to find out how long historically after the release of a new OS, does it usually take Samsung/T-Mobile to release an OTA?
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Normally only after the Samsung high-end phones get the update and they are just barely getting Android 4.3. It also depends if they decide to update this phone at all. I have been asking t-mobile and Samsung that and they keep blaming each other or referring me to the forum for the phone on there websites.
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chris122380 said:
Normally only after the Samsung high-end phones get the update and they are just barely getting Android 4.3. It also depends if they decide to update this phone at all. I have been asking t-mobile and Samsung that and they keep blaming each other or referring me to the forum for the phone on there websites.
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I guess Windows has spoiled me, because I don't understand how it's so hard to port Android to each device.
AMD or Intel, they both use the same instruction set, so they work on any x86/x64 processor, and then you install drivers for your hardware peripherals.
Shouldn't Android run on any ARM processor, and then just have drivers that need to be plugged into it for each component of the phone to work?
Apparently it's a lot more complicated than that, but why...

andrewsfm said:
I guess Windows has spoiled me, because I don't understand how it's so hard to port Android to each device.
AMD or Intel, they both use the same instruction set, so they work on any x86/x64 processor, and then you install drivers for your hardware peripherals.
Shouldn't Android run on any ARM processor, and then just have drivers that need to be plugged into it for each component of the phone to work?
Apparently it's a lot more complicated than that, but why...
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A lot of the complexity comes from the manufacturers of the SoCs not opening up the workings of their drivers to the wider world that makes porting to new devices, and to new versions of Android so difficult. Things work on one kernel, or one interface, and that's it, and we have no way of tweaking it to work in other ways. Back to the subject at hand. I personally suspect that the Relay will get no official update to KitKat. The Relay is over a year old, T-Mobile has been trying to dump it since 2013 began, and they are the only retailer. The 4.1.2 Jelly Bean updates were rolling out to the then mainline Samsung phones within a week of the Relay's release in September 2012, and we didn't get our update (which frankly is a broken PoS, ESPECIALLY when held up against any CM build for the Relay) until March or April of '13, so expect another 6 months before we MIGHT (and likely won't) get an official 4.3 update.

Looks like coding for CM 11 has started. Check out @CyanogenMod's Tweet: https://twitter.com/CyanogenMod/status/397817644650205185
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Magamo said:
A lot of the complexity comes from the manufacturers of the SoCs not opening up the workings of their drivers to the wider world that makes porting to new devices, and to new versions of Android so difficult. Things work on one kernel, or one interface, and that's it, and we have no way of tweaking it to work in other ways. Back to the subject at hand. I personally suspect that the Relay will get no official update to KitKat. The Relay is over a year old, T-Mobile has been trying to dump it since 2013 began, and they are the only retailer. The 4.1.2 Jelly Bean updates were rolling out to the then mainline Samsung phones within a week of the Relay's release in September 2012, and we didn't get our update (which frankly is a broken PoS, ESPECIALLY when held up against any CM build for the Relay) until March or April of '13, so expect another 6 months before we MIGHT (and likely won't) get an official 4.3 update.
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Ah k I see. The hardware vendors are mostly to blame it seems.
I may try a stable CM11 if that ever sees the light of day, but I won't hold my breath.
I've heard about the official JB ROM being problematic, so I plan to stay on ICS the phone originally shipped with.
I'm just glad to be getting rid of my Droid3 and Gingerbread.

andrewsfm said:
Ah k I see. The hardware vendors are mostly to blame it seems.
I may try a stable CM11 if that ever sees the light of day, but I won't hold my breath.
I've heard about the official JB ROM being problematic, so I plan to stay on ICS the phone originally shipped with.
I'm just glad to be getting rid of my Droid3 and Gingerbread.
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True, there have been some bugs. However, I use the official nightly of cm10.2 as a daily driver. I'd rather put up with the MINOR issues that are left (hardware is stable for the most part) than have a manufacturer ROM. IMHO, the stock ROM that comes with the phone is usually full of crap bloat ware that I don't use and takes up space, and a UI that is SEVERELY limited in customization.
Also, the more people participate and report problems, the faster it takes TeamApex to fix and push out. At least team apex RESPONDS to their users. As mentioned before, it can take as long as 6-8 months after an android release for the manufacturer to roll out an update...still full of crap ware that's NOT used and cannot be uninstalled without root privileges or botching up the UI further.
These people who work tirelessly to provide to us, the end user, an updated version of Android, do so out of their own free will, and don't get a penny. These devs are here to proudly share what they have created, and I applaud and give my utmost respect to them.
You don't wanna install aftermarket firmware? Don't want to aid in bug reporting? Fine, put up with the crap that the manufacturer pushes onto you. Plus, Samsung & T-Mobile don't get any more of your hard earn dollars rolling out an Android update for our year-old device. They'd rather you dump it and buy the latest phone. THAT'S THEIR BUSINESS MODEL! So they have no interest in rushing an update to something as "old" as the Relay.
If you want JB or KK and are unwilling to wait for & install after-market firmware, I suggest you pony up the dough and buy a nexus 5. Better still, learn how to dev and make your own version of JB or KK for the Relay. That's the beauty of open source.
Your rant and *****ing about when "they are going to develop Kit Kat" makes you come across as arrogant, snobbish, and child-like.
Sorry for MY ranting, but it's unappreciative asshats like andre that just piss me off.
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[Q] android 5.0 lollipop on RAZR devices??

Does anyone think that android 5.0 will come to our phones? or are Google Motorola and Verizon going to be an ass and say no. I'm willing to help any development.

We're not going to get official support for 5.0 if that's what you mean. As for custom ROMs, I'm sure it will happen eventually.

Once Android 5.0 L is officially released, we intend to bring this latest upgrade to many of our other Motorola devices, as well. This includes Moto X (1st and 2nd Gen), Moto G (1st and 2nd Gen), Moto G with 4G LTE, Moto E, Droid Ultra, Droid Maxx and Droid Mini. We're still working out the details on timing and the upgrade depends on our partners' support so stay tuned to our software upgrades page for the latest and greatest.
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http://www.motorola-blog.blogspot.hu/2014/10/nexus-6-from-google-and-motorola-more.html

...and it begins...Took less than a day for someone to ask. It's not even released yet. Coming to the Razrs? Not a snowball's chance in hell. Unofficial, maybe? These things are at EOL and they received a barely functioning official KK update.
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Moto kind of hinted at the possibility of having other devices on Lollipop, but I'm not holding my breath this time.

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Does anyone think that android 5.0 will come to our phones? or are Google Motorola and Verizon going to be an ass and say no. I'm willing to help any development.
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We're not even going to get KK 4.4.4 officially. The only way we have that is via custom ROMs like CM11.
Those of us in the soak test were told that this latest OTA (.15 release) was the FINAL release for this phone. No more updates. That came straight from a Motorola person in the private soak test forums.
So, don't hold your breath for an "official" Lollipop release. As others have stated, you might see it via Cyanogen or some other custom ROMs, but that will only be for those who have unlocked bootloaders. Those who have already upgraded to the latest OTA without unlocking are screwed forever.
Besides, CM11 for this phone has just recently become completely stable. L isn't even out yet.

here's is how its going to go down.
L comes out nov 3.
cyanoagen inc /PA will merge the code to their repos; take about a month before the first nightly comes out. cm11 is EOL as they move to Lollipop.
gummy slim and others will take the cm base and fork to get their ROMs running too.
then dhacker epinter etc. our great maintainers will port to our devices; first nightly will be for the very brave.
about 2-3 months of bug fixes until it becomes usable.
give or take by feb we have a daily driver of android L
question is with the f* ups of jjbl and kkbl which kernel will be supported to L, i'm sure cm will use a custom kernel just like it did with cm11 before the moto kk ota.

paranoid android to make l for msm8960 unified
just saw a reply from cj360 he will be working on l for msm8960 devices jbbl and kkbl. he said dont hold your breath ait will take a while

Gr8 stuff so far!
I'm enjoying my recently renewed phone anyways!
Btw, this L inspired Nova Pro customizable theme rocks and ART runtime is superb!
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Yeah, it's actually available right now.
Check dhacker29's twitter, he has links up.
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cartpig said:
Yeah, it's actually available right now.
Check dhacker29's twitter, he has links up.
Flashing soon
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I flashed the build from the 14th i have no issues besides the power menu and lack of options, it doesnt have root DO NOT get the one from the play store get supersu 2.1.6 flash recovery. if you get anyother it will soft brick or cause fc issues. The wifi activity arrows are out of line. I will provide the zip. Its smooth no battery life issues its absoultley flawless..
GOOD JOB dhacker29 WE ALL OWE YOU SO MUCH FOR DOING THIS!!!

derpyherp said:
I flashed the build from the 14th i have no issues besides the power menu and lack of options, it doesnt have root DO NOT get the one from the play store get supersu 2.1.6 flash recovery. if you get anyother it will soft brick or cause fc issues. The wifi activity arrows are out of line. I will provide the zip. Its smooth no battery life issues its absoultley flawless..
GOOD JOB dhacker29 WE ALL OWE YOU SO MUCH FOR DOING THIS!!!
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No, it has issues. Blue-tooth is wonky and Netflix and Google Play Movies won't work (you can't watch anything).
DHacker told me via Twitter that it's due to the DRM libraries. He hasn't figured out the right combination yet to get it working,
But, other than that, it works well.
11/16 has the battery percentage in the notification icon.
11/17 apparently has radio issues. Some people have reported that it works for 5 minutes and then the radio dies. A reboot fixes it for about 5 minutes, and then it dies again. Might want to stay away. I'm going to test it, and if I see the same issues, I'll go back to 11/16.

On the 11/16 build, here's what happens on my xt926M:
Phone > Recents > View full call history (bottom of screen) > Dialer fc's.
Haven't upgraded to the 11/17 build yet, as I don't want to run into any radio issues that I'm reading about here.

Not_A_Dev said:
On the 11/16 build, here's what happens on my xt926M:
Phone > Recents > View full call history (bottom of screen) > Dialer fc's.
Haven't upgraded to the 11/17 build yet, as I don't want to run into any radio issues that I'm reading about here.
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There's a thread in the dev section that's already dedicated to reporting performance, bugs, etc on the new LP builds....
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There's a thread in the dev section that's already dedicated to reporting performance, bugs, etc on the new LP builds....
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Thanks. Just posted my impressions of running the 11/16 build on that thread.

So here's a question (and I'm being serious when I ask, not trying to be snotty):
What about L is everyone so looking forward to that you all need it so bad? Xposed doesn't work on it, and if you're running a custom ROM you're already more than likely modified beyond anything that "Android L" is going to give you...
Other than "material design" and "ART" (along with being near impossible to root without an unlocked bootloader) I haven't even read up on what is so special about L that everyone is creaming their pants over it. Please someone enlighten me to the goodness of L other than "it's Google's lastest software".
EDIT: An acceptable answer would be to get off of the botched up KK Moto gave us... twice... Thus why I am sporting DU now - never going back.

LifeAsADroid said:
So here's a question (and I'm being serious when I ask, not trying to be snotty):
What about L is everyone so looking forward to that you all need it so bad?
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For me - in short - battery life. If Android 5.0 hadn't come along soon, I would have downgraded to JB any day now, because that was the perfect OS for my XT926M. For me, KK just does not run right on this device. Why LP? The promise of "Project Volta" and whatnot. Of course, running a pretty much pre-alpha early version of CM 12, battery life is actually worse than it was on KK. I'll chalk it up to the fact that LP still needs development for this device, in hopes of having good battery life, hopefully by next February. Material Design is also pretty to look at.

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For me - in short - battery life. If Android 5.0 hadn't come along soon, I would have downgraded to JB any day now, because that was the perfect OS for my XT926M. For me, KK just does not run right on this device. Why LP? The promise of "Project Volta" and whatnot. Of course, running a pretty much pre-alpha early version of CM 12, battery life is actually worse than it was on KK. I'll chalk it up to the fact that LP still needs development for this device, in hopes of having good battery life, hopefully by next February. Material Design is also pretty to look at.
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Lol I will totally agree with you on the battery life thing! I thought my phone was on its way out with how fast the stock KK versions were draining my battery. Constantly had to keep the phone on a charger when I was in one place. I will say that the battery life on DU was one of the things that really caught my attention from the start. Phone makes it through the day, can make it through the night if I forget to charge it overnight, and no more does the phone heat up to 125-140F. Highest I've seen, even with charging, screen on, streaming movies or TV over LTE, has been 98F. Night and day compared to the stock KK ROMs Moto vomited at us. I'd be surprised if other custom KK ROMs for our phones didn't have much improved battery life over that failed attempt at a PR stunt giving us stock KK.

I have to really give major props to the developers of the DU ROM which I ran for a solid 2 weeks, just prior to upgrading to 5.0 They have actually made KK a bearable OS on this device with which I could get 2 full work days out of the XT926M - battery-wise - with moderate use. Still, the MAXX battery is a beast, and less than 2 days should not be acceptable. Under JB that was the case. If LP doesn't deliver soon, I am definitely going back to JB. And right around next March, my contract for this device is up anyway.

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I have to really give major props to the developers of the DU ROM which I ran for a solid 2 weeks, just prior to upgrading to 5.0 They have actually made KK a bearable OS on this device with which I could get 2 full work days out of the XT926M - battery-wise - with moderate use. Still, the MAXX battery is a beast, and less than 2 days should not be acceptable. Under JB that was the case. If LP doesn't deliver soon, I am definitely going back to JB. And right around next March, my contract for this device is up anyway.
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Is official CM12S still coming in Jan / Feb ?

A Few months ago, OPO and Cyanogen, said 90 days after the official Lollipop release from Google, the OnePlus One OS would get the big Lollipop date. So that puts it end of Jan / early Feb. But is that still on track of happening ?
But...with the all the news lately of Cyanogen and OPO not getting along, and the whole India deal, etc...
What will OPO official release as far as the Lollipop update ? Will there still be a CM12S made specific for the OnePlus by Cyanogen ? Or will OPO just release their in house Lollipop ROM they made themselves without CM ?

The last I read, there is a big update coming in January, which would presumably be CM12S Lollipop. OnePlus also has announced that they are on the verge of releasing their own, house built ROM, so it's possible that is also coming in that time frame.
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There's not much point in asking that here, nobody here can answer the question properly. Plus, even if CM were reading here, they don't respond to requests for ETA's.
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There's not much point in asking that here, nobody here can answer the question properly. Plus, even if CM were reading here, they don't respond to requests for ETA's.
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Not really asking for an ETA. I know they both said 90 days after Lollipop code release.
But my question is more about if it will even come at all now ? Due to the rocky relationship between OPO + Cyanogen.
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Zorachus said:
Not really asking for an ETA. I know they both said 90 days after Lollipop code release.
But my question is more about if it will even come at all now ? Due to the rocky relationship between OPO + Cyanogen.
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Yeah but unfortunately the answer remains the same; nobody here knows, we can only speculate. The only people who know are CM, and they won't comment on it. There's the "big" update coming in January but I'm not putting any money on it being 5.0, they haven't even hinted to that.

As with everything when it comes to ROMs/Kernels/OTAs... no one knows and employees don't release release dates because then they'll feel pressured that they'll NEED to have it done.
Would you rather have a rushed release with bugs causing your phone not to work properly? Especially if its a person who does not involve themselves with rooting/flashing?
Or would you rather have a release where it works and is tested thoroughly.
If you can't wait, try a Lollipop ROM. If you want to stay as close to stock as possible, flash CM12.

I am not asking for a specific CM12S release date.
This thread is more about asking if there will even be a CM12S released period, ever ? With all the recent bad press between OPO and Cyanogen. I am worried there might not ever be an official OnePlus One CM12S OS release at all now in a couple months ?
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And the answer is still (and always will be) nobody here can answer that.
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Zorachus said:
I am not asking for a specific CM12S release date.
This thread is more about asking if there will even be a CM12S released period, ever ? With all the recent bad press between OPO and Cyanogen. I am worried there might not ever be an official OnePlus One CM12S OS release at all now in a couple months ?
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That is specific to the market of India. I'm sure that oneplus and cyanogen have a contract that they need to abide by otherwise therell be lawsuits.
I wouldn't worry about it, I'm sure there will be a cm12s. When? Don't know.
If you can't wait, flash cm12 unofficial. Now if we talk about the oneplus two (or whatever they plan on calling it, I wouldn't be surprised if they did abandon CyanogenMod in favor of their own rom.)
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zephiK said:
That is specific to the market of India. I'm sure that oneplus and cyanogen have a contract that they need to abide by otherwise therell be lawsuits.
I wouldn't worry about it, I'm sure there will be a cm12s. When? Don't know.
If you can't wait, flash cm12 unofficial. Now if we talk about the oneplus two (or whatever they plan on calling it, I wouldn't be surprised if they did abandon CyanogenMod in favor of their own rom.)
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For the OnePlus One, you're darn right there will be lawsuits if we don't keep getting CM branded official updates. That was what the phone was marketed as, printed with Cyanogen branding, and I as a customer bought it for. If they abandon CM branded official upgrades, I'd be forced to kick off or join a class action lawsuit against both OnePlus and Cyanogen. I won't tolerate bait and switch.

maybe in february

They are suppose to deliver CM12s in Jan(this month) ..at least at the very end, it's the 90 days they promised us. Feb is too late as it won't be 90 days but more
Don't promise if you can't deliver, also I'd like a pure android experience as a second option, something as pure as it can get(it performs better on benches ..at least their alpha version from what I've seen)

evronetwork said:
They are suppose to deliver CM12s in Jan(this month) ..at least at the very end, it's the 90 days they promised us. Feb is too late as it won't be 90 days but more
Don't promise if you can't deliver, also I'd like a pure android experience as a second option, something as pure as it can get(it performs better on benches ..at least their alpha version from what I've seen)
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Steve Kondik has said it will be out later next month. Check his Google+ profile. Sorry I can not post a link.

freelancer1988 said:
Steve Kondik has said it will be out later next month. Check his Google+ profile. Sorry I can not post a link.
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I believe this is the link:
https://plus.google.com/app/basic/stream/z13evbgalmvfdffve220xb2reqilvvbw504

evronetwork said:
Don't promise if you can't deliver, also I'd like a pure android experience as a second option, something as pure as it can get(it performs better on benches ..at least their alpha version from what I've seen)
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You people and your benchmark scores. Give it up already
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Mr Patchy Patch said:
You people and your benchmark scores. Give it up already
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I just made a pointless fact(from other people's tests) about that no need to act like that, be polite man ..you should try it next time.
I really don't care about benches, I prefer if it feels smooth-liquid, runs fast and not with 20fps at games and have 1000 points on antutu rather than having a sci-fi 80.000 points and be garbage

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Guys can someone describe me difference shortly of CM11 and CM1s. Coz I'm on CM12 Nightly builds on my OPO atm and it's working fairly good.

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Guys can someone describe me difference shortly of CM11 and CM1s. Coz I'm on CM12 Nightly builds on my OPO atm and it's working fairly good.
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There's very little difference except CM11S has the fancy lockscreen and camera. CM11 receives nightly updates whereas CM11S received periodic updates.
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Yeah it confuses me why people still beg for the same product with an S attached to it as it will make things better for them. This phone is a developer type of phone for people who will try rooting and flashing. With the recent updates in CM getting closer to stable why do we care about an 11s.
Also lets be honest if we do not have all the proper working features in a nightly you cant expect to see a stable release.... At least a 12M or something has to be put out for our phones too me before we say an 12S
@Zorachus - step back and think for a second why are you asking your question. No one associated with giving you an answer will come here and give it to you. You can Google it and see whats out there and draw your own conclusion. I feel this is what others were trying to get across to you. You are asking a question that can't be answered no matter how you slice it up

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Yeah it confuses me why people still beg for the same product with an S attached to it as it will make things better for them. This phone is a developer type of phone for people who will try rooting and flashing. With the recent updates in CM getting closer to stable why do we care about an 11s.
Also lets be honest if we do not have all the proper working features in a nightly you cant expect to see a stable release.... At least a 12M or something has to be put out for our phones too me before we say an 12S
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Because for some people it's a matter of principle. CM stated very clearly that this device would receive official updates for two years, if the S branch is dropped they're reneging on that agreement.
Because this isn't strictly a dev phone, this is a developer-friendly phone. Not everyone wants to unlock and root their device, in fact the majority of the user base most likely don't want to. So if support is dropped then those people are left with a device that isn't receiving the updates it was promised to have, those people have a right to expect those updates.
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Should we have hopes for a custom rom for the Mate 7

Its still kind of early to loose hope I guess, but since everything is opensource with this phone (downloadable on Huawei's site), should we be hoping for a custom rom for the Mate 7? I'm scared it won't get popular enough for a developer to make one, even though it is an amazing phone.

Maan
I was hoping for some love from cynogen.

Extornia said:
Its still kind of early to loose hope I guess, but since everything is opensource with this phone (downloadable on Huawei's site), should we be hoping for a custom rom for the Mate 7? I'm scared it won't get popular enough for a developer to make one, even though it is an amazing phone.
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I don't want to sound pessimistic, but the phone is already more than 3 month old. I think they're will be no international custom rom for this phone. But i will be happier if I'm proven wrong.

Custom ROM's would be nice, but I'm afraid we'd lose the fingerprint scanning ability and what not.
You'll never know though! Personally, I can't wait to get mine in a few days (shipping from HK is a *****), I miss xposed framework.

When you open the boot loader and it rootest, then does the here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/mate-7/themes-apps/xposed-modules-t2957769

I hope for CM.

Extornia said:
Its still kind of early to loose hope I guess, but since everything is opensource with this phone (downloadable on Huawei's site), should we be hoping for a custom rom for the Mate 7? I'm scared it won't get popular enough for a developer to make one, even though it is an amazing phone.
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What for ?
What's problem with EMUI 3.0 ?"?!??!

We just need lollipop base, EMUI is just fine. I would like to see some camera improvement, 4k support, better gpu thermal throtling... No need for custom rom if you ask me...

Mr.Nice.ba said:
We just need lollipop base, EMUI is just fine. I would like to see some camera improvement, 4k support, better gpu thermal throtling... No need for custom rom if you ask me...
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no we don't need lolipop sht.. it is worse.. 4.4.2 is best..

Probably a better outlook for the HAM7 than the HAM2.
Why the negativity? 3 months, really?
Newer android doesn't necessarily mean better, if it ain't broke?
The HAM2 was stuck on 4.2.x since its release. It got one update (4.4.2 on their Chinese portal). The HAM7 might get an update too, but there are 3 model versions out there so far (one that works in NA only), and they aren't interchangeable (different radios), so hopefully XDA has a Chinese translator for when they do update. Don't see why they wouldn't post at least an official update to 5.x.x somewhere down the line.
Are they going to do to HAM7 what they did to the HAM2? 'Here's some free phones and source, develop'. :cyclops:
Rumour mill: There's supposed to be a proper North American model released sometime.

Lg g3 getting Android 6.0 Marshmallow

Looks like are carriers are going to get it.
http://www.vcpost.com/articles/9055...-mobile-carriers-prepping-6-0-marshmallow.htm

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Looks like are carriers are going to get it.
http://www.vcpost.com/articles/9055...-mobile-carriers-prepping-6-0-marshmallow.htm
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Now we just wait to see how long it will take AT&T to actually release the update.

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Now we just wait to see how long it will take AT&T to actually release the update.
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More than likely we will be getting the update in about 3-6 months.

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More than likely we will be getting the update in about 3-6 months.
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NOOOO, I want it now!!! (Been hangin around my kids too long...)
That said, Is there a stable 6.0.1 ATT G3 ROM out there? STABLE being the key word.
I really want to be running MM, I have heard great things about it's smoothness and DOZE feature to extend battery life.
If there is a stable ROM, I'll root and install.

jivenene said:
NOOOO, I want it now!!! (Been hangin around my kids too long...)
That said, Is there a stable 6.0.1 ATT G3 ROM out there? STABLE being the key word.
I really want to be running MM, I have heard great things about it's smoothness and DOZE feature to extend battery life.
If there is a stable ROM, I'll root and install.
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Nothing STABLE yet. That said, I've been running CM13 for over a month and I love it. Builds are unofficial but the latest builds in the dev forum are really fast, stable and have GPS working (for the first time ever for me, even with KK and LL). I run it with the 777 kernel and it's perfect for me.

jivenene said:
NOOOO, I want it now!!! (Been hangin around my kids too long...)
That said, Is there a stable 6.0.1 ATT G3 ROM out there? STABLE being the key word.
I really want to be running MM, I have heard great things about it's smoothness and DOZE feature to extend battery life.
If there is a stable ROM, I'll root and install.
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Resurrection Remix is stable and I like it a lot.

Leasj said:
Resurrection Remix is stable and I like it a lot.
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Is Android 6.0?

josemiliano said:
Is Android 6.0?
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yep. http://oadam11.com/LG_G3/

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Nothing STABLE yet. That said, I've been running CM13 for over a month and I love it. Builds are unofficial but the latest builds in the dev forum are really fast, stable and have GPS working (for the first time ever for me, even with KK and LL). I run it with the 777 kernel and it's perfect for me.
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Thanks for the feedback. I saw also (in subsequent posts) that the RR MM 6.0 ROM is also stable. I have never run CM before, so can anyone enlighten me so I don't have to drop 8 hours testing out both ROMs.... my questions are:
1) Which has a better camera experience? CM or RR? Stable, no FC.
2) which is more stable with less problems (ie, GPS, BT, no SD card, no 4G data, etc...)
3) which has better battery life?
4) Do either support device encryption? That was one of the major improvements in MM that no one seems to be talking about.
Thanks alot for the replies, and thanks to the developers for creating these, you guys and gals are awesome!

No camera app will work well other than stock as proprietary drivers and algorithms are used.

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No camera app will work well other than stock as proprietary drivers and algorithms are used.
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Do I have to use an aftermarket camera app like I did on SlimROMs? I used Open Camera. While it worked, it was sssslllloooowwww and sometimes caused the camera to crash, at which point I would have to pull the battery for it to work again (really annoying when you are trying to get Kindergarten graduation pics of your son...). I uninstalled it and reinstalled it, and those problems went away though. Android is so weird...
For this reason, I will never ever to get inside a google autonomous car. I'm gonna be the last old timer left, and everyone will ridicule me. "In my day, WE drove! And we liked it! We loved it!"

No aftermarket app will change the fact that you will be missing the LG firmware.

Personally I love the way LG has the camera setup where I can just tap the screen it focuses then snaps it. No LG camera on 3rd party rom so I went back to stock. If your phone is as important to you as you claim given all the questions you asked it would be worth your while to wait for the official update as I will. Let the rest test and be dissatisfied with the problems and lack of features. Note that I haven't had a crash or freeze since I got away from cm12

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Personally I love the way LG has the camera setup where I can just tap the screen it focuses then snaps it. No LG camera on 3rd party rom so I went back to stock. If your phone is as important to you as you claim given all the questions you asked it would be worth your while to wait for the official update as I will. Let the rest test and be dissatisfied with the problems and lack of features. Note that I haven't had a crash or freeze since I got away from cm12
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Point taken, but I don't think I'll get the official OTA MM anyway because I am not on ATT, but on Cricket. Or would I just download from XDA and flash it myself?
Did you still root and debloat the stock ROM? Or just leave it completely stock?

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Point taken, but I don't think I'll get the official OTA MM anyway because I am not on ATT, but on Cricket. Or would I just download from XDA and flash it myself?
Did you still root and debloat the stock ROM? Or just leave it completely stock?
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After trying many a many roms here for both d851 and d850 (My son and mine), I would definitely stick with stock if you take pics. The d851 is actually in better shape (mm wise) as it has a supported CM13, but the camera is poor. As for cricket- my understanding is that some phones get att updates, and some don't. If an update doesn't happen after you know mm has been released, you can wait a week or two and it very well may be posted here to flash- or you can pick up a att go phone sim for a couple of bucks and flash, then drop the cricket sim back in.
And yes you can root & debloat, but I haven't seen a prepackaged 20g (that has the stagefright patch) debloated yet. I just use super uninstaller app from the play store, which requires root.

here I am just stock with root & recovery (if needed) haven't found a need to use either yet but I like having the option available.
I have all the stock crummy at&t apps disabled because actually "removing" them requires quite a bit of time that I haven't yet found.

If I install cm13 or RR do I lose the LG IR remote?

I don't think there is a custom IR remote apk for MM yet like there is for lollipop.
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I stick to stock based ROMs because of the camera problems on AOSP ROMs. I don't use my camera often, but when I do I want it to work well. I will wait for 6 to be released.
Sent from my awesome phone.

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I stick to stock based ROMs because of the camera problems on AOSP ROMs. I don't use my camera often, but when I do I want it to work well. I will wait for 6 to be released.
Sent from my awesome phone.
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What is a good stock ROM you would recommend?