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KitKat for the Charge?!?!?!?

maybe....
http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/5034...veals-android-4-kitkat-os-11.htm#.UicpuH-I68A
here's a quote from the article:
Android 4.4 KitKat Features
Google hasn't revealed any features yet of the upcoming Android 4.4 KitKat but instead, the company said: "our goal with Android KitKat to make an amazing Android experience available for everybody."
With this statement from Google, it is expected that KitKat will become accessible to Android-running devices with lower RAM such as 512MB and older Android version such as 2.3 Gingerbread. This optimisation has been rumoured to be included in Android 5.0 Key Lime Pie.
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What...
http://signatures.mobile-overload.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/sig-cm-5.png

I would not hold my breath.
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lol no. Unless if it was created by an awesome person here, but there's no point in that. This phone is long dead, earlier this week I finally moved on, and oh my gosh, its been great having a Nexus 4 over this phone that was out-dated before it was even released back in Spring 2011.

Nope
You'll probably never see a KitKat version on the Charge. The main reason is the same that you never saw ICS or JB on the Charge. The code for the radios was never released. I've tried JB on the Charge, it runs well; however the camera and data don't work. Also, while I still use the Charge as my primary phone, there's not many of us left.

ICS and all versions of JB work fine on this phone already... we are just missing the radios.
I doubt anyone cares about this phone anymore anyways...

10amla said:
You'll probably never see a KitKat version on the Charge. The main reason is the same that you never saw ICS or JB on the Charge. The code for the radios was never released. I've tried JB on the Charge, it runs well; however the camera and data don't work. Also, while I still use the Charge as my primary phone, there's not many of us left.
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I'm inclined to agree, though it would be awesome to be proven wrong!
JihadSquad said:
ICS and all versions of JB work fine on this phone already... we are just missing the radios.
I doubt anyone cares about this phone anymore anyways...
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Yeah not many folks left that's for sure... still a few that care though

dwitherell said:
I'm inclined to agree, though it would be awesome to be proven wrong!
Yeah not many folks left that's for sure... still a few that care though
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I agree with both assessments. Thanks for all the work you've done on Tweaked, Dwith. My wife and I love it on our charges.
P.S. One problem I had with Tweaked Lite, when I installed it, it didn't install file manager(I think that's what it's called on stock) and when I went to select a sound(not ringtone) for a ringtone it would show and error. I went to tweaktools and installed the file manager and it works fine. Not sure why it wouldn't work with my other file management programs.

10amla said:
I agree with both assessments. Thanks for all the work you've done on Tweaked, Dwith. My wife and I love it on our charges.
P.S. One problem I had with Tweaked Lite, when I installed it, it didn't install file manager(I think that's what it's called on stock) and when I went to select a sound(not ringtone) for a ringtone it would show and error. I went to tweaktools and installed the file manager and it works fine. Not sure why it wouldn't work with my other file management programs.
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Yeah I am not a fan of MyFiles, and for better or worse the call to that for ringtone selecting is hardcoded... at least tweaktools brings it back quick enough - forgot about that tbh, sorry for the troubles!

dwitherell said:
Yeah I am not a fan of MyFiles, and for better or worse the call to that for ringtone selecting is hardcoded... at least tweaktools brings it back quick enough - forgot about that tbh, sorry for the troubles!
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I agree with your take on MyFiles, one of the first thing I did was replace it with something else(currently FX File Manager). I wasn't a big deal, I had planed on copying my few ringtones to system anyway.

while I agree that the we are more likely to see Republicans and Democrats agree on something, would still be interesting to see if this holds true. I really would not be surprised though, if older devices do get upgraded to the latest OS - that could mean larger revenues for Google. more folks would be able to use their apps, services, etc. without having to get a new device.
however, after then, they could see how slow their device is, and then they decide to upgrade. but still, worth keeping an eye on.

Google and Verizon both agreeing to do this? Hell will freeze over first.
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From my understanding of several stories posted from Android sites since KitKat was announced, It sounds like either Google is going to update phones to KitKat silently like they have been doing everything else without the help of Samsung or Verizon or perhaps we just get these features without ever actually upgrading to KitKat
Hangouts is supposed to be replacing the stock Messaging app-If Google can do that then why would they need anything from Samsung/Verizon??
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/1...msmms-integration-video-sharing-capabilities/
http://mobilesyrup.com/2013/10/08/h...uts-will-almost-certainly-integrate-with-sms/
4.4 "Google Experience" Launcher Launcher could be released from the Play Store (which would replace touchwiz??)
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/1...re-some-things-we-are-expecting-to-see-in-it/

The truth of the matter is this. The Motorola Droid 1, a phone I bought as a media/mp3 player for 50 bucks and fixed up, is working better than a phone I paid 300 new and had nightlies and better support. I loved my charge, the battery sucked. And the phone I use now is the Verizon note 2 and sprint note 3 as a business phone since I now work for the sprint corporation. Do I miss my charge? Yes. Do I wish it had some cyanogenmod support being a phone 1 1/2 years newer than the droid 1? yes. As soon as I can learn how to make a rom for the charge, I plan to make an ics or jb nightly that will support a wifi only support on this relic. It was my first 4g phone. I have it in my desk and feel sad since it helped me achieve so much.

asacado said:
The truth of the matter is this. The Motorola Droid 1, a phone I bought as a media/mp3 player for 50 bucks and fixed up, is working better than a phone I paid 300 new and had nightlies and better support. I loved my charge, the battery sucked. And the phone I use now is the Verizon note 2 and sprint note 3 as a business phone since I now work for the sprint corporation. Do I miss my charge? Yes. Do I wish it had some cyanogenmod support being a phone 1 1/2 years newer than the droid 1? yes. As soon as I can learn how to make a rom for the charge, I plan to make an ics or jb nightly that will support a wifi only support on this relic. It was my first 4g phone. I have it in my desk and feel sad since it helped me achieve so much.
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That's exactly what I was thinking - even if the radios weren't released, having the phone to use over wifi would be good enough for me. I guess that's the question - would it be possible to work up a kitkat ROM that was just purely wifi?

zereoue said:
That's exactly what I was thinking - even if the radios weren't released, having the phone to use over wifi would be good enough for me. I guess that's the question - would it be possible to work up a kitkat ROM that was just purely wifi?
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I've seen an ics rom that was floating around, but support for this phone was always limited. It came and went faster than any other phone I saw. Hell, the bionic I owned had support and nightlies all the way up to the day I got the note 2. I digress. I am looking into it as soon as I can get a linux kitchen set up.

asacado said:
I've seen an ics rom that was floating around, but support for this phone was always limited. It came and went faster than any other phone I saw. Hell, the bionic I owned had support and nightlies all the way up to the day I got the note 2. I digress. I am looking into it as soon as I can get a linux kitchen set up.
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I am learning how to build for android. Starting with the fascinate since there is a lot of support so I can gain familiarity and then I'm going to do a build for the charge. I intend to only use it as a media device. I can't promise or guarantee anything but, I will try my best to deliver a bootable kitkat rom. This is all pretty difficult. We shall see what happens.

pyroman512 said:
I am learning how to build for android. Starting with the fascinate since there is a lot of support so I can gain familiarity and then I'm going to do a build for the charge. I intend to only use it as a media device. I can't promise or guarantee anything but, I will try my best to deliver a bootable kitkat rom. This is all pretty difficult. We shall see what happens.
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I have a Fascinate as well, but haven't installed any of the KK offerings for it yet. I did notice that when updating the Fascinate to KK you have to flash a 4.1 or 4.2 rom first, to get the file system setup, right? Then flash the 4.4 rom. Would the steps be the same for the Charge?

zereoue said:
I have a Fascinate as well, but haven't installed any of the KK offerings for it yet. I did notice that when updating the Fascinate to KK you have to flash a 4.1 or 4.2 rom first, to get the file system setup, right? Then flash the 4.4 rom. Would the steps be the same for the Charge?
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AFAIK you shouldn't have to flash any rom first.. I could be wrong. I don't keep up with all the fascinate development. I did flash a 4.4 rom in the past from cm10.1.
I have a build enviroment set up and I am running into problems building cm11 for the fascinate. I think by the errors that I need to increase the system partition. Because the build always fails at making the system.img. The build guides make it seem like you should run into no errors at all.
I'll start building for the charge soon. I'm too much of a noob to actually develop for it right now, but I think I can atleast boot it once I figure out how to build it.

pyroman512 said:
AFAIK you shouldn't have to flash any rom first.. I could be wrong. I don't keep up with all the fascinate development. I did flash a 4.4 rom in the past from cm10.1.
I have a build enviroment set up and I am running into problems building cm11 for the fascinate. I think by the errors that I need to increase the system partition. Because the build always fails at making the system.img. The build guides make it seem like you should run into no errors at all.
I'll start building for the charge soon. I'm too much of a noob to actually develop for it right now, but I think I can atleast boot it once I figure out how to build it.
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not sure if I mentioned this earlier, but it could be the fact that the charge is based on RFS system (GB 2.3). I believe android went EXT4 with ICS and higher. there are some kernels that can convert the Charge to EXT4 - so not sure if that would help ya.

Battery. Kit kat or Lollipop?

I have received my 1+1 a couple of days ago. Straight away I realised the poor battery life. Well, by poor I mean comparing it to some people and how they praise it.
I have flashed Lollipop but I totally hated the Ui - it seemed so small (status bar) I think it was the slim kat ROM. Battery life still wasn't phenomenal. Using both, stock cm11s and few Lollipop custom roms I came to a conclusion that right now, there is not even a single STABLE ROM. By stable i mean no FCs and decent battery life. I surely can't be right, don't know if my phone is faulty or if I'm doing something wrong. I also came across different versions of CM11s? Something like 44s or something like that. Could someone explain it to me since I can't find the answer anywhere to what it's referring to? Also apparently one version is "better" than the other? Here are my questions relating to my problems. As of today, what is the most stable ROM for our fantastic device? Be it kit kat or Lollipop (though I prefer kit kat) What is the difference between cyanogenmod 11s and cyanogenmod 11? Am I better off (stability and battery wise) flashing cm12 nightlies or stay on stock 11s? I will add that i have searched and browsed through the forum for answers but I simply couldn't find anything either specific enough or simple to understand. I know that I should be trying all the ROMs by myself but it would take me forever to decide which one is the best for me. Many of you guys have tried most if not all of them and can give me a feedback I hope which I appreciate very much. Thanks for your time.

dav-rmd said:
I have received my 1+1 a couple of days ago. Straight away I realised the poor battery life. Well, by poor I mean comparing it to some people and how they praise it.
I have flashed Lollipop but I totally hated the Ui - it seemed so small (status bar) I think it was the slim kat ROM. Battery life still wasn't phenomenal. Using both, stock cm11s and few Lollipop custom roms I came to a conclusion that right now, there is not even a single STABLE ROM. By stable i mean no FCs and decent battery life. I surely can't be right, don't know if my phone is faulty or if I'm doing something wrong. I also came across different versions of CM11s? Something like 44s or something like that. Could someone explain it to me since I can't find the answer anywhere to what it's referring to? Also apparently one version is "better" than the other? Here are my questions relating to my problems. As of today, what is the most stable ROM for our fantastic device? Be it kit kat or Lollipop (though I prefer kit kat) What is the difference between cyanogenmod 11s and cyanogenmod 11? Am I better off (stability and battery wise) flashing cm12 nightlies or stay on stock 11s? I will add that i have searched and browsed through the forum for answers but I simply couldn't find anything either specific enough or simple to understand. I know that I should be trying all the ROMs by myself but it would take me forever to decide which one is the best for me. Many of you guys have tried most if not all of them and can give me a feedback I hope which I appreciate very much. Thanks for your time.
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I have tried BlissPop, but basically came up to same conclusions as you, battery life was worse than stock, and the UI still feels a little quirky. Switched back to stock. I believe the most stable ROM would be the current stock CM 11S:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-one/general/guide-return-opo-to-100-stock-t2826541
Also, OnePlus team is working on getting CM 12S released soon:
CM 12S: The official OTA update for the OnePlus One will be released on or before March 30, 2015
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Ah thank you. Looks like I'll be staying on the stock then until the release of oxygen os and cm12s.

dav-rmd said:
Ah thank you. Looks like I'll be staying on the stock then until the release of oxygen os and cm12s.
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Slim ROM has a smaller status bar because it uses a lower DPI, therefore fitting more onto the display at once. Anyway, I run Vanir-Exodus and my battery life is fantastic.
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Cyanogen worked with OnePlus to release a dedicated version for OnePlus One (CM11S)
I believe Cyanogen released themselves Cyanogemod 11 that is compatible with OnePlus One (CM11). Im not 100% sure.
There are slight differences between them.
There wont be a CM12S. It will be released simply as CM12 and be compatible with the OnePlus One.
In theory, CM11S should be the most stable. The source is available: https://github.com/CyanogenMod/android_device_oneplus_bacon

timmaaa said:
Slim ROM has a smaller status bar because it uses a lower DPI, therefore fitting more onto the display at once. Anyway, I run Vanir-Exodus and my battery life is fantastic.
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Is it stable though? I am back on stock and can't really complain other than battery life everything else seems fine. Funny thing : I'm not even using LTE! :/

riahc3 said:
Cyanogen worked with OnePlus to release a dedicated version for OnePlus One (CM11S)
I believe Cyanogen released themselves Cyanogemod 11 that is compatible with OnePlus One (CM11). Im not 100% sure.
There are slight differences between them.
There wont be a CM12S. It will be released simply as CM12 and be compatible with the OnePlus One.
In theory, CM11S should be the most stable. The source is available: https://github.com/CyanogenMod/android_device_oneplus_bacon
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What are you talking about? Firstly, CM11 and CM11S are the same ROM except for a couple of proprietary apps. Secondly, there is going to be CM12S, it's being released later this month.
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dav-rmd said:
Is it stable though? I am back on stock and can't really complain other than battery life everything else seems fine. Funny thing : I'm not even using LTE! :/
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Yes. As stable as a ROM can get.
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Thanks guys! Though I'm still confused about the versions of software. The whole 44s thing confuses me. Any ideas?

dav-rmd said:
Thanks guys! Though I'm still confused about the versions of software. The whole 44s thing confuses me. Any ideas?
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What about it confuses you? 44S is a build build number of CM11S, they were released like this: 22R > 25R > 30O > 33R > 38S > 44S > 05Q
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timmaaa said:
What are you talking about? Firstly, CM11 and CM11S are the same ROM except for a couple of proprietary apps.
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Wait; How can you say they are the same ROM and then say "except for a couple of proprietary apps"? That automatically means its not the same ROM :S
Here is the thing CM11 started to roll out around end of 2013. CM11S is based on a CM11 that was released in April 2014. There are fixes, proprietary apps, etc. you mentioned. CM11, at the end of 2013, was released for all devices at the same time and the code is exactly the same. It isnt exactly the same as CM11s
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Secondly, there is going to be CM12S, it's being released later this month.
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I really have my doubts on that. I know that was announced but....I think its gonna be CyanogenMod 12 period, released for S5, M8, etc........and OnePlus One (bacon). I dont think they are going to make another specialized for OnePlus One (unless of course there is a legal obligation, and even so, I wont trust it too much)

Oh cheers. I've read that say 05q has a terrible battery life, where as 44s is best of them all. The part that confused me was that I didn't know it was referring to cm11s. Thanks for clearing that out.

riahc3 said:
Wait; How can you say they are the same ROM and then say "except for a couple of proprietary apps"? That automatically means its not the same ROM :S
Here is the thing CM11 started to roll out around end of 2013. CM11S is based on a CM11 that was released in April 2014. There are fixes, proprietary apps, etc. you mentioned. CM11, at the end of 2013, was released for all devices at the same time and the code is exactly the same. It isnt exactly the same as CM11s
I really have my doubts on that. I know that was announced but....I think its gonna be CyanogenMod 12 period, released for S5, M8, etc........and OnePlus One (bacon). I dont think they are going to make another specialized for OnePlus One (unless of course there is a legal obligation, and even so, I wont trust it too much)
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You're splitting hairs there. Apps don't make a ROM. The real difference between CM11S and CM11 is that the nightlies (CM11) are ahead in terms of commits (and therefore possibly bugs). CM11S is the "stable" version of CM11, much like a milestone release. Only the first build of CM11S (22R) was based on the CM11 of April 2014. Each successive build of CM11S is based on the state of CM11 nightlies (commits etc) at the time of release of each CM11S build. They are the same ROM. This is a well known fact.
You can have your doubts all you like but it's pure speculation, and it isn't actually based on any facts or verified information. It's just false information spread by baseless rumours. CM12S is currently in the process of being authorized by Google to be released officially. This information is all readily available if you keep up with the information being provided by CM.

battery life
Stick to CM11. I used to get 3.5hr of screen time.
Now that I switched to CM12 nightlies 20150316, I'm down to 2.5hrs of screen time, so 2 full days vs 1.5 days now.

I think 12S will be similar to 11S
CM + extra apps like camera, maxxaudio + hardware specific optimizations like touchscreen, bionic (if that still exists on art)

See Battery in settings to see which app is draining battery
If you havn't already checked which apps are hogging your battery then go over to Settings-->Battery
and then see the apps which are draining your battery.
If Google Play Services is occupying the no.1 spot thne Enable Privacy Guard for it and disable the option for Keep Awake and Wake Up by it.
You can find this in Settings-->Privacy
Another fix is that you disable Gestures(all 3) and also disable 'Wake on double tap'.

Lg g3 getting Android 6.0 Marshmallow

Looks like are carriers are going to get it.
http://www.vcpost.com/articles/9055...-mobile-carriers-prepping-6-0-marshmallow.htm

flex3269 said:
Looks like are carriers are going to get it.
http://www.vcpost.com/articles/9055...-mobile-carriers-prepping-6-0-marshmallow.htm
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Now we just wait to see how long it will take AT&T to actually release the update.

aybarrap1 said:
Now we just wait to see how long it will take AT&T to actually release the update.
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More than likely we will be getting the update in about 3-6 months.

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More than likely we will be getting the update in about 3-6 months.
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NOOOO, I want it now!!! (Been hangin around my kids too long...)
That said, Is there a stable 6.0.1 ATT G3 ROM out there? STABLE being the key word.
I really want to be running MM, I have heard great things about it's smoothness and DOZE feature to extend battery life.
If there is a stable ROM, I'll root and install.

jivenene said:
NOOOO, I want it now!!! (Been hangin around my kids too long...)
That said, Is there a stable 6.0.1 ATT G3 ROM out there? STABLE being the key word.
I really want to be running MM, I have heard great things about it's smoothness and DOZE feature to extend battery life.
If there is a stable ROM, I'll root and install.
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Nothing STABLE yet. That said, I've been running CM13 for over a month and I love it. Builds are unofficial but the latest builds in the dev forum are really fast, stable and have GPS working (for the first time ever for me, even with KK and LL). I run it with the 777 kernel and it's perfect for me.

jivenene said:
NOOOO, I want it now!!! (Been hangin around my kids too long...)
That said, Is there a stable 6.0.1 ATT G3 ROM out there? STABLE being the key word.
I really want to be running MM, I have heard great things about it's smoothness and DOZE feature to extend battery life.
If there is a stable ROM, I'll root and install.
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Resurrection Remix is stable and I like it a lot.

Leasj said:
Resurrection Remix is stable and I like it a lot.
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Is Android 6.0?

josemiliano said:
Is Android 6.0?
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yep. http://oadam11.com/LG_G3/

chuckhriczko said:
Nothing STABLE yet. That said, I've been running CM13 for over a month and I love it. Builds are unofficial but the latest builds in the dev forum are really fast, stable and have GPS working (for the first time ever for me, even with KK and LL). I run it with the 777 kernel and it's perfect for me.
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Thanks for the feedback. I saw also (in subsequent posts) that the RR MM 6.0 ROM is also stable. I have never run CM before, so can anyone enlighten me so I don't have to drop 8 hours testing out both ROMs.... my questions are:
1) Which has a better camera experience? CM or RR? Stable, no FC.
2) which is more stable with less problems (ie, GPS, BT, no SD card, no 4G data, etc...)
3) which has better battery life?
4) Do either support device encryption? That was one of the major improvements in MM that no one seems to be talking about.
Thanks alot for the replies, and thanks to the developers for creating these, you guys and gals are awesome!

No camera app will work well other than stock as proprietary drivers and algorithms are used.

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No camera app will work well other than stock as proprietary drivers and algorithms are used.
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Do I have to use an aftermarket camera app like I did on SlimROMs? I used Open Camera. While it worked, it was sssslllloooowwww and sometimes caused the camera to crash, at which point I would have to pull the battery for it to work again (really annoying when you are trying to get Kindergarten graduation pics of your son...). I uninstalled it and reinstalled it, and those problems went away though. Android is so weird...
For this reason, I will never ever to get inside a google autonomous car. I'm gonna be the last old timer left, and everyone will ridicule me. "In my day, WE drove! And we liked it! We loved it!"

No aftermarket app will change the fact that you will be missing the LG firmware.

Personally I love the way LG has the camera setup where I can just tap the screen it focuses then snaps it. No LG camera on 3rd party rom so I went back to stock. If your phone is as important to you as you claim given all the questions you asked it would be worth your while to wait for the official update as I will. Let the rest test and be dissatisfied with the problems and lack of features. Note that I haven't had a crash or freeze since I got away from cm12

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Personally I love the way LG has the camera setup where I can just tap the screen it focuses then snaps it. No LG camera on 3rd party rom so I went back to stock. If your phone is as important to you as you claim given all the questions you asked it would be worth your while to wait for the official update as I will. Let the rest test and be dissatisfied with the problems and lack of features. Note that I haven't had a crash or freeze since I got away from cm12
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Point taken, but I don't think I'll get the official OTA MM anyway because I am not on ATT, but on Cricket. Or would I just download from XDA and flash it myself?
Did you still root and debloat the stock ROM? Or just leave it completely stock?

jivenene said:
Point taken, but I don't think I'll get the official OTA MM anyway because I am not on ATT, but on Cricket. Or would I just download from XDA and flash it myself?
Did you still root and debloat the stock ROM? Or just leave it completely stock?
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After trying many a many roms here for both d851 and d850 (My son and mine), I would definitely stick with stock if you take pics. The d851 is actually in better shape (mm wise) as it has a supported CM13, but the camera is poor. As for cricket- my understanding is that some phones get att updates, and some don't. If an update doesn't happen after you know mm has been released, you can wait a week or two and it very well may be posted here to flash- or you can pick up a att go phone sim for a couple of bucks and flash, then drop the cricket sim back in.
And yes you can root & debloat, but I haven't seen a prepackaged 20g (that has the stagefright patch) debloated yet. I just use super uninstaller app from the play store, which requires root.

here I am just stock with root & recovery (if needed) haven't found a need to use either yet but I like having the option available.
I have all the stock crummy at&t apps disabled because actually "removing" them requires quite a bit of time that I haven't yet found.

If I install cm13 or RR do I lose the LG IR remote?

I don't think there is a custom IR remote apk for MM yet like there is for lollipop.
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I stick to stock based ROMs because of the camera problems on AOSP ROMs. I don't use my camera often, but when I do I want it to work well. I will wait for 6 to be released.
Sent from my awesome phone.

aybarrap1 said:
I stick to stock based ROMs because of the camera problems on AOSP ROMs. I don't use my camera often, but when I do I want it to work well. I will wait for 6 to be released.
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What is a good stock ROM you would recommend?

Custom ROMs... Are they still worth it?

I have been a flashaholic for some time, probably the Eclair days, but I really question if it's worth it now days.
Most Lollipop and newer ROMs, except for Nexus devices, seem to have some kind of issues... If not immediately, then over time. While at the same time factory ROMs get better, partially because the base code is better and because many manufacturers are getting better at it.
And now, some features are being blocked just by unlocking of bootloader, even if you're otherwise stock, like Android Pay and others like Pok�©mon Go.
I find all I really do now on custom roms is some interface tweaks... Change the battery icon, add a clear all button to recents, and add arrows to the navigation bar, all minor stuff. Otherwise things like Nova Launcher, SwiftKey, and GSAM largely don't even require root anymore much less a custom ROM. Part of it used to be for battery life, but now, at least on modern Moto devices, most custom roms struggle just to match the battery life of stock.
I've tried every rom for this device I can find, here and other places, and they all seem to have a variety of things that fail, from minor annoyances to major services broken like GPS, or they fail over time.
My question for discussion is it still worth it, and why do you ROM or even root anymore?

I used to run a variety CM ROM's on Samsung Galaxy & Note devices. Starting with the Galaxy S2 Skyrocket and then every decent device Samsung released until the bootloaders stopped getting cracked.
There was always something that just didn't work right and I'd have random crashes.
But for me it was semi-worth it. I like to tinker and customize a lot.
Fast forward to the last thirteen months with my first non-Samsung since. A Motorola Moto X Pure.
Best damn phone I've ever had.
And there is CM available, but I quickly discovered AOSP ROM's like Dirty Unicorn and Broken OS.
Both these ROM's are FULL of customization not found in Xposed modules, and both ROM's have been 100% reliable.
I may have had one lockup in the last 13 months. And everything from GPS to Bluetooth, etc. have all worked perfectly.
So for me, yes... custom ROM's are more than worth it once you find the right ROM. My phone is heavily customized to my needs and super reliable.
The only thing lacking with MotoX was kernel development. Which I guess is where you start losing some reliability.
But it's also where I'm hoping the Pixel will get some good development and I'm looking forward to it. :good:

Non-rooted stock MM has been going great for me lately. Lots of great built in features like Moto actions, etc. I play Pokemon while walking on my breaks at work, and the last few updates forced my hand to go back to stock. I was (am) also a flashoholic, and it was mainly to have custom features and better performance on outdated and mfg abandoned phones. It was also a must for my Kindle Fire. I really don't see myself going away from stock MM (soon to be Nougat) on my MXPE at this point. I still flash ROMs on my G2 and Note 3 though, but barely use them outside the house.

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I used to run a variety CM ROM's on Samsung Galaxy & Note devices. Starting with the Galaxy S2 Skyrocket and then every decent device Samsung released until the bootloaders stopped getting cracked.
There was always something that just didn't work right and I'd have random crashes.
But for me it was semi-worth it. I like to tinker and customize a lot.
Fast forward to the last thirteen months with my first non-Samsung since. A Motorola Moto X Pure.
Best damn phone I've ever had.
And there is CM available, but I quickly discovered AOSP ROM's like Dirty Unicorn and Broken OS.
Both these ROM's are FULL of customization not found in Xposed modules, and both ROM's have been 100% reliable.
I may have had one lockup in the last 13 months. And everything from GPS to Bluetooth, etc. have all worked perfectly.
So for me, yes... custom ROM's are more than worth it once you find the right ROM. My phone is heavily customized to my needs and super reliable.
The only thing lacking with MotoX was kernel development. Which I guess is where you start losing some reliability.
But it's also where I'm hoping the Pixel will get some good development and I'm looking forward to it. :good:
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Hmm... I have been on that "rom that shan't be named on XDA" for a while now. After a month started suffering SoD randomly and Play Services has stopped issues. DU 10.6 couldn't maintain GPS lock, but 10.5 was fine, seemed to effect only a handful of devices, lucky me.
Anyway, thanks for your input.

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Hmm... I have been on that "rom that shan't be named on XDA" for a while now. After a month started suffering SoD randomly and Play Services has stopped issues. DU 10.6 couldn't maintain GPS lock, but 10.5 was fine, seemed to effect only a handful of devices, lucky me.
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I also have been a avid user of the "rom that shan't be named on XDA" for many months now with no real issues. By chance have you tried a fresh install again. The latest release was back in late August a 4.9.1 version that made corrections to some issues on the 4.9 release.

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I also have been a avid user of the "rom that shan't be named on XDA" for many months now with no real issues. By chance have you tried a fresh install again. The latest release was back in late August a 4.9.1 version that made corrections to some issues on the 4.9 release.
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Not yet... I have been on 4.9.1 already, and have been working with the devs a bit on it but seems mostly isolated to my device.

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Not yet... I have been on 4.9.1 already, and have been working with the devs a bit on it but seems mostly isolated to my device.
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If anything try a fresh install and see if your issues were only from maybe a bad original install. If they show up again then I would say they are isolated to your device.

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If anything try a fresh install and see if your issues were only from maybe a bad original install. If they show up again then I would say they are isolated to your device.
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I'm out of town for the weekend, in a rather rural area, so maybe will try tomorrow evening.

LMT pie, adaway, naptime, and general tweaking are the only reasons I root on a phone this close to stock android.
I didn't run custom ROMs on this phone until about August of this year. That was when battery life on aicp started to get comparable with stock for me. I can get most of the features I want from gravitybox, but I prefer them baked into the ROM. Xposed always seems a little problematic even when you don't install janky modules. I really like the notification led; missed that when I got this phone. I know we're supposed to use moto display, but I think that makes more sense on amoled than a great big LCD. Never had good luck with lightflow or the led enabler apps, but the custom roms work great. I really like slim recents too. I haven't found any modules that work to put KitKat like recents on M ROMs.

TruPureXMM + GravityBox
Loved my MXP so much I bought one for my mom who was hating her iPhone5. Kept it stock (for obvious reasons), so I have a good baseline to compare to my MXP running TruPureXMM + GravityBox. I've tried a bunch of ROMS for this phone but I always come back to TruPureXMM + GravityBox. Oh, and Tasker.
There is no way in hell I would go back to stock.

I used Cyanogenmod on my HTC Incredible and Verizon Galaxy Nexus. Didn't root or ROM for a while due to using the stock ROM on the 2nd generation Verizon Moto X 2014 and stock Android on the Nexus 5X and 6P. But, I had the itch to unlock the bootloader on my Moto X Pure, due to curiousity, and because it's likely that we will only see one more Nougat update. I tried CM13, but I was getting UI freeze ups and slowdowns on multiple builds, so I tried Dirty Unicorns 10.6, and that has been working fine. I may return to the stock ROM after the Nougat update, but in the meantime, I'm happy experimenting with different ROMs on the Pure.

I'd be cool with stock- as long as I could debloat it.
And it was updated fairly quickly.

Stock for this phone is great. Better than most. Only issue really is Moto is so far behind on security updates. They are on what, May I believe? CM13 is Oct.
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Stock here, never a issue. With Nougat in the horizon, a custom ROM is a big NO for me.
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I would say TruPureX with a few mods is a very solid and stable way to go. I myself am on TurboROM which has ceased current development, but have ZERO issues. AICP's MM build is the most feature filled and works flawlessly aside from one issue I don't have on other ROMs, where my bank app only shows black when using the camera to deposit checks, making AICP unusable for me, but highly recommended for others to try as that's the absolute only issue I could find after a week full of testing (Kind of what I do as a hobby is push ROMs to their limits to find the issues.)
So in short: TruPureXMM, TurboROM, AICP - are all great choices without the negatives associated with many custom ROMs.

Pretty sure we are all here to push the ROMs to he limits lol?
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Speaking of custom ROMs, I just searched android file host for Clark and there are new 7.0 builds of zephyros, pure nexus, aosp, and cos.
I'm in a limited data area so I haven't downloaded or tried them out yet.

jason2678 said:
Speaking of custom ROMs, I just searched android file host for Clark and there are new 7.0 builds of zephyros, pure nexus, aosp, and cos.
I'm in a limited data area so I haven't downloaded or tried them out yet.
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Running the latest Zephyr after trying AICP and CM14. Uses substratum and SuperSU. Camera recording isn't working with snapdragon camera (FC), google camera (records but doesn't save). Had an android.phone FC but replaced with google phone/contacts and no problems so far. Still need to test speakerphone and bluetooth, but assuming those work as well as 6.0.1 I'm pretty impressed by Birdman.

Any roms that anyone can recommend? CM13 and OrionOS both have very bad stuttering after some time of use. Has anyone tried Pure Nexus or Slim6? Just need a good daily driver that can handle games without heating up so hot, and handle most social apps great...

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Speaking of custom ROMs, I just searched android file host for Clark and there are new 7.0 builds of zephyros, pure nexus, aosp, and cos.
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Seriously? We've got like one and a half here.

Official Nougat 7.0 soak test starts in Brazil

Motorola has finally started the Nougat soak test in Brazil. Let's hope it won't take too long for them to release the final version. However, the screenshots say it's Android 7.0 and not 7.1. Also, to make us believe it's really happening, we can have a look at the comments posted below the post. Few comments say they have received it and it's working smooth as of now.
Source: http://www.androidpit.com.br/teste-nougat-moto-x-force-e-style-comecarao-em-breve
Update 1: Motorola send out soak test invitations to US users
Update 2: Android Headlines reports Moto X Style Is Receiving Android 7.0 Nougat In India
Update 3: Moto X Style and X Pure Nougat update spotted on GFXBench (Yes, again. The last time it was spotted on 7.1 was in last week of December.)
Update 4: A user on reddit who is located near Chicago states he received the Nougat update.

Soak test is going on in India also.

This is a good news !!!!!!

soak test is only available for limited users and if anyone who will break their rules will be out of the soak test permanently so don't expect that someone might just end up sharing the files !! all we need to do is just wait for that moment when it gets as stable as a daily driver and we all are good to go
its most likely 7.0 but i hope we get a 7.1.1 or 7.1.2

Why not get it now?
Google "AICP clark"
I've been running it since Dec 2015 on Republic Wireless with no problems.

I got bored waiting for official nougat and went to AICP 7.1
It's pretty good, can't see myself going back to stock tbh

Put me down for Dirty Unicorns. Last things for me were camera functioning well (which it seems to be if using OpenCamera) and torch working well (which it seems to be improved).

Sagar_1401 said:
its most likely 7.0 but i hope we get a 7.1.1 or 7.1.2
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no chance for that

iks8 said:
no chance for that
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Doesn't matter so much. We're interested in the N blobs, i think they are the same between 7.0 and 7.1. this will at least mean better custom ROMS

josdehaes said:
Doesn't matter so much. We're interested in the N blobs, i think they are the same between 7.0 and 7.1. this will at least mean better custom ROMS
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Even on this forum not everyone is interested with custom roms. I used to mod my phones a lot but thoose were crapy low end devices and custom roms were really adding some performance but with this phone I don't see a reason to install custom rom. Even on my old moto e I went back to stock after trying few roms, moto software is really well made imo, so it's sad that their updates are way slower than they used to be and that they relase already obsolete software ;\.
btw from my expierience there is always something broken in custom roms, and if it's not broken now it will be in next relase xd

iks8 said:
Even on this forum not everyone is interested with custom roms. I used to mod my phones a lot but thoose were crapy low end devices and custom roms were really adding some performance but with this phone I don't see a reason to install custom rom. Even on my old moto e I went back to stock after trying few roms, moto software is really well made imo, so it's sad that their updates are way slower than they used to be and that they relase already obsolete software ;\.
btw from my expierience there is always something broken in custom roms, and if it's not broken now it will be in next relase xd
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I'm with you here. I have no desire leave the stock ROM for any reason other than updates. It's been bug-free and smooth sailing for me with Motorola's software ever since 2015, no doubt because they stick to AOSP.
The only way I'd be interested in a custom ROM is if the developers were on a very long release cycle where they spent months ironing out every tiny bug before tinkering with new things, similar to how OEMs approach stock ROMs. That seems rare these days, though I don't follow things too closely anymore. "Man this ROM is amazing... except, oh yeah, Bluetooth breaks and requires a reboot... oh, and calls drop a lot... and, uh, call volume randomly goes to max/silent for no reason... oh yeah, and MMS just doesn't show up sometimes, and the camera crashes every 3rd open requiring another reboot" seems to be the way of the world, and I don't have patience for it. Putting up with random bugs can be worth it if it frees you from TouchWiz or Sense or LG UI, but when the stock ROM is already AOSP and fast/fluid, I don't see the point.

http://www.androidauthority.com/moto-x-style-pure-edition-nougat-758023/

I have to agree that stock rooted ROMs are my way of going now. Of course that also means I won't buy from makes like Samsung who overburden their ROMs with too much frill. Besides, with manufactures like one plus, the is really no reason to revert.

good news

ptn107 said:
Google "AICP clark"
I've been running it since Dec 2015 on Republic Wireless with no problems.
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I'm on RW too. Are you using a certain version that's working good? I just don't wanna messed up my service, but would love to try 7.1.1.
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Official Android 7.0 Nougat out for Moto X Style (Pure) in India and Brazil
AsquareX said:
Motorola has finally started the Nougat soak test in Brazil. Let's hope it won't take too long for them to release the final version. However, the screenshots say it's Android 7.0 and not 7.1. Also, to make us believe it's really happening, we can have a look at the comments posted below the post. Few comments say they have received it and it's working smooth as of now.
Saw the same on another website this morning. I wonder how long after the soak test that it will be released in the US?
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About time. I see that the Android O developer preview is out and we don't even have 7.0 yet. Grrr!

strafer69 said:
About time.
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not really, it's way too late imo. Start of soak test doesn't mean a lot, I guess in some regions you will have to wait like more than month since now, I guess everyone willl get it in may as it was said before, that's way too long for not so old flagship phone... We should have 7.0 already and 7.1 in may but it's not going to happen ;\ shame on you moto

iks8 said:
not really, it's way too late imo. Start of soak test doesn't mean a lot, I guess in some regions you will have to wait like more than month since now, I guess everyone willl get it in may as it was said before, that's way too long for not so old flagship phone... We should have 7.0 already and 7.1 in may but it's not going to happen ;\ shame on you moto
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Not Moto's fault. Blame it all on Lenovo, as the Moto's work force is pretty much non-existent.

Rmsalt said:
AsquareX said:
Saw the same on another website this morning. I wonder how long after the soak test that it will be released in the US?
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Honestly, a while... It usually goes Brazil, India, Europe, then US and UK (sometimes US/UK flip-flop). To be honest, Lenovo doesn't see the US as a major market, these phones are not carrier subsidized so their market penetration is minimal at best. US is always the last to get Moto (Lenovo) updates in the last 12-18 months. Not likely to see that change anytime soon. Each region will have it's own beta if history repeats, we are at minimum 2-3 months out in the US.
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