USB Type-C is great, until you realize that you probably want more than one charger, then you realize that you'll be spending $25 and up. Or so I thought.
I don't like this Google USB Type-C charger which has a non-removable cable. I just really hate the idea of having to toss the power brick once the cable has a short in it.
I searched eBay for a Lumia 950/950 XL charger, a Nokia N1 charger, and the OEM 6P charger, hoping to save a few bucks, but I had no hits. People are clinging to their USB Type-C chargers evidently.
So, recalling that the 5X is also Type-C, I did a search for an OEM 5X charger and I stumbled onto this eBay listing. :laugh::good:
For $17.99, how could I not grab one? It's the only one that didn't have me envisioning my apartment and cat going up in flames. So, I had no way to tell if it was indeed real, because I've never seen a 5X in person. When I opened the package, the cable just felt so cheap, the sheathing is thin and kinda satin-like. The best way I could think to verify if it's legit was Youtube unboxing vids, so I watched this video on Youtube and the dude holds up the cable and charger to the camera, like really close, and it matches what I have exactly! Yes, down to the little holes in the plastic on the USB connectors.
I have no doubt that it's real. It also does rapid charging (5V with 3 AMP output + "Charging Rapidly" is displayed on the phone)
I just thought I'd share this little gem with you guys. =) Oh, I ordered on the 4th and it arrived today, on the 11th, and had tracking too. Just thought I'd toss that out there!
If I remember right, cables that aren't spec'ed properly will still display "Charging Rapidly". Have you checked using Ampere?
tysj said:
If I remember right, cables that aren't spec'ed properly will still display "Charging Rapidly". Have you checked using Ampere?
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My PC is not equipped with a USB Type-C port to test with that app, but here's this: The OnePlus cable always caused my phone to display "Charging Rapidly" on the lock screen, but never provided a time until the charge would be complete. This 5X charger however displays "Charging rapidly (12 minutes until full)" once the phone has time to calculate it. Well, 12, 36, etc. :good:
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If I remember right, cables that aren't spec'ed properly will still display "Charging Rapidly". Have you checked using Ampere?
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I will try that app real quick.
EDIT: 1420mA max on my 6P stock charger and 1400mA max on the 5X charger. Given that my battery is 92% full, I think it's fair to say it's legit.
I had a Nexus 5X and that charger/packaging look identical to the one that's included in the box. Now, this doesn't mean it's legitimate, but it's a good sign.
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If I remember right, cables that aren't spec'ed properly will still display "Charging Rapidly". Have you checked using Ampere?
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Ampere isn't even remotely accurate
Here's a screenshot. Using the 5X charger and cable.
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You need to run ampere when the battery is less than 10% to really see what the charger can do. As the battery charges, the current is reduced. Therefore this 1.4A may still be ok. Try it at 10% and report back to see how close to 3000ma you get.
I was under the impression that Ampere results were skewed by the amount of current being used by the phone while the charging was taking place.
This is a good idea though, sourcing the chargers for other phones as USB Type-C becomes more prevalent. Personally, I think I can get by with 2.4A chargers/micro-usb adapters and use the OEM charger at home if I need a quick charge before I go out for an evening.
nhutpham said:
I was under the impression that Ampere results were skewed by the amount of current being used by the phone while the charging was taking place.
This is a good idea though, sourcing the chargers for other phones as USB Type-C becomes more prevalent. Personally, I think I can get by with 2.4A chargers/micro-usb adapters and use the OEM charger at home if I need a quick charge before I go out for an evening.
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It won't charge over 1.5A using an proper C adapter or A-C cable. A 2.4A charger would be pointless unless its just something you have laying around.
I also mentioned earlier that Ampere isn't accurate but there are no C-C multimeter's that I've seen so far
Well, the phone is giving an ETA to full charge, something it never did with the OnePlus cables. I think that, coupled with that packaging and likeness, says that these are legit. It's only $18, so if anyone would like to take testing any further, go for it. I'm convinced it's legit - Ampere gives the same readings with the stock charger, and even if the app isn't the greatest metric, that's a good sign. =)
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Well, the phone is giving an ETA to full charge, something it never did with the OnePlus cables. I think that, coupled with that packaging and likeness, says that these are legit. It's only $18, so if anyone would like to take testing any further, go for it. I'm convinced it's legit - Ampere gives the same readings with the stock charger, and even if the app isn't the greatest metric, that's a good sign. =)
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The one plus cables are dangerous to use and do not meet the USB specification. There's no way to really know if the charger is an OEM item unless you have a 5X charger to compare it to.
You bought a $500+ phone and you are worried about "saving" $8 by buying an unknown charger from eBay?
I just bought the cable from Google as if something were to happen with my phone as a result of the Google cable, it's going to be a lot easier to get a fix for the cable and/or the phone with Google than trying to tell Google I used a cable I thought was good that I bought from eBay.
radeon962 said:
You bought a $500+ phone and you are worried about "saving" $8 by buying an unknown charger from eBay?
I just bought the cable from Google as if something were to happen with my phone as a result of the Google cable, it's going to be a lot easier to get a fix for the cable and/or the phone with Google than trying to tell Google I used a cable I thought was good that I bought from eBay.
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As I said in the first post, I don't want a charger with a fixed cable - soon as the cable takes a crap, the whole thing is just garbage. I have never been a fan on fixed cable solutions. And what does it matter that I bought a $649 phone? No one should want to spend $40 on a charger with a removable cable from Google. If I wanted to drop that much money to charge my pricy device, I would have bought one of those new Macbooks.
The point of the post was just to give other people a heads up that I found a good deal on an OEM charger, not to argue with people about it or be called a tightwad. I can afford a $40 charger, but no, I won't buy one.
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As I said in the first post, I don't want a charger with a fixed cable - soon as the cable takes a crap, the whole thing is just garbage. I have never been a fan on fixed cable solutions. And what does it matter that I bought a $649 phone? No one should want to spend $40 on a charger with a removable cable from Google. If I wanted to drop that much money to charge my pricy device, I would have bought one of those new Macbooks.
The point of the post was just to give other people a heads up that I found a good deal on an OEM charger, not to argue with people about it or be called a tightwad. I can afford a $40 charger, but no, I won't buy one.
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How is the genuine 5x charger on the 6p? Does it rapid charge like the original 6p charger? thanks
jordy787 said:
How is the genuine 5x charger on the 6p? Does it rapid charge like the original 6p charger? thanks
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Yes I used to have a 5X along with my 6P and the OEM LG one does rapid change the 6P.
SONEic - USB Type-C (USB-C) Rapid Wall Charger & USB Type-C to Type-C Cable, 15 Watt/3.0 Amp (3A) for Nexus 5X/6P, Lumia 950/XL, LG G5 and All Other USB Type-C Devices - Black (Charger+Cable Included) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B017BVLLC6/ref=cm_sw_r_other_awd_yTOZwbPJ7WSKR
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As I said in the first post, I don't want a charger with a fixed cable - soon as the cable takes a crap, the whole thing is just garbage. I have never been a fan on fixed cable solutions. And what does it matter that I bought a $649 phone? No one should want to spend $40 on a charger with a removable cable from Google. If I wanted to drop that much money to charge my pricy device, I would have bought one of those new Macbooks.
The point of the post was just to give other people a heads up that I found a good deal on an OEM charger, not to argue with people about it or be called a tightwad. I can afford a $40 charger, but no, I won't buy one.
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I wouldn't touch that eBay crap with a 10 foot pole. My phone is $600. I am not about to put it or any other piece of electronics in my house in danger because I wanted to skimp on chargers.
There are many charging blocks and Type C cables that are Benson verified and really cheap on Amazon. I'm not calling you a tightwad (although even then, spending ~$20 on Amazon would net you a proper charger that would for sure be Benson approved and non-captive, which is what you want). I think you're a fool to be blindly recommending Type C chargers without actually knowing if they are legitimate or not. Fake devices are notorious on eBay for looking visually identical to their real counterparts. Seriously? Comparing to what you saw in a YouTube video?
You may be fine taking the risk. But don't sit there getting all self-righteous because people are rightly skeptical of some no name eBay listing, especially when your only proof is an Ampere screenshot that tells us nothing and your own interpretation of the "Charging rapidly" text on your lockscreen.
LiquidSolstice said:
I wouldn't touch that eBay crap with a 10 foot pole. My phone is $600. I am not about to put it or any other piece of electronics in my house in danger because I wanted to skimp on chargers.
There are many charging blocks and Type C cables that are Benson verified and really cheap on Amazon. I'm not calling you a tightwad (although even then, spending ~$20 on Amazon would net you a proper charger that would for sure be Benson approved and non-captive, which is what you want). I think you're a fool to be blindly recommending Type C chargers without actually knowing if they are legitimate or not. Fake devices are notorious on eBay for looking visually identical to their real counterparts. Seriously? Comparing to what you saw in a YouTube video?
You may be fine taking the risk. But don't sit there getting all self-righteous because people are rightly skeptical of some no name eBay listing, especially when your only proof is an Ampere screenshot that tells us nothing and your own interpretation of the "Charging rapidly" text on your lockscreen.
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There is nothing wrong with looking for a deal.
That's why your phone was $600 while other might have got it for 550 with no tax and free shipping.
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SONEic - USB Type-C (USB-C) Rapid Wall Charger & USB Type-C to Type-C Cable, 15 Watt/3.0 Amp (3A) for Nexus 5X/6P, Lumia 950/XL, LG G5 and All Other USB Type-C Devices - Black (Charger+Cable Included) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B017BVLLC6/ref=cm_sw_r_other_awd_yTOZwbPJ7WSKR
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Yeah, I bought one of these and the charger and cable looks just like OE from Google except it is labeled "SONEic" on top of the charger. The cable looks, feels, and in conjuntion with the charger functions exactly as the Google charger that came in the box. Worth it to pick up a couple of these if your obsessed with chargers like I am.
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Yeah, I bought one of these and the charger and cable looks just like OE from Google except it is labeled "SONEic" on top of the charger. The cable looks, feels, and in conjuntion with the charger functions exactly as the Google charger that came in the box. Worth it to pick up a couple of these if your obsessed with chargers like I am.
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gonna have to snag one or two:good:
Related
Just like everyone else I've been searching for a good aftermarket charger for my phone. I purchased the Choetech rapid adapter along with the cable (sold separately) and it works beautifully.. The Nexus 6p shows rapid charging on the home screen and Ampere showed the same.
How does that compare to the OEM charger that came with the Nexus 6p? The OEM charger charged at 2920ma, while the Choetech adapter and cable charged at 2840ma. So as you can see it's right on par with the OEM charger.
Build Quality:
The build quality is exactly what you expect to received from Choetech. The body of the charger is similar to the OEM charger with smooth sides and flat top and bottom. There's branding on the the front as you see in the pictures, with specifications information next to the electrical prongs. As for the cable there's more Choetech branding on each end, but it's not intrusive and blends in with the cable. The cable material is thick which is a very good thing, as it should be able to provide adequate power and durability. I'm very happy with this cable and plan to buy another soon. Here's my setup and I did a quick video review as well. Be warned I've read reviews showing that some users received a 2.4v model only... If you watch my videos you will clearly see my charger says 3A/5V and it charges at that speed.
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The quality on this cable is durable. It does pull 3A, as described, without any issues. charged my phone from 17% to 100% in
1 hour 20 min. It charges just as fast as google's provided cable.
and for the USB type-A to type C cable is also reliable. Checkr app tested and confirmed it is safe for the 2.4A (slower)rapid
charging if the power adapter can support upto 2.4A.
I will recommend this to anyone who wants a spare cable for USB-C just like me. leave one at home, and take this with me
anywhere I go to charge the device.
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Is it just me or does that cable appear to struggle to charge as well as OEM? Your comparison graph shows the goggle cable working consistently better and the choetech cable never reaching the current the oem cable does.
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conceyted said:
Is it just me or does that cable appear to struggle to charge as well as OEM? Your comparison graph shows the goggle cable working consistently better and the choetech cable never reaching the current the oem cable does.
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Well, if you see the graph more closely my phone had less battery percentage for the Google's cable. I believe hungrier the battery, faster it takes. You will never see full capacity current draw at higher battery percentage.
I just bought this USB-C charger with CC cable.
It's on it's way...can't wait to test it.
You also need to make sure you order the updated version. The first version didn't comply with type c standards.
Might just go with the one on the Google website now, since it's only a few dollars more and it'll probably ship faster. Amazon says it'll arrive after Christmas now.
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You also need to make sure you order the updated version. The first version didn't comply with type c standards.
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What are you talking about? There's only one version. I was the first one on this forum to get it (as far as I know) and it works just like the Google charger.
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sharpehenry said:
The quality on this cable is durable. It does pull 3A, as described, without any issues. charged my phone from 17% to 100% in
1 hour 20 min. It charges just as fast as google's provided cable.
and for the USB type-A to type C cable is also reliable. Checkr app tested and confirmed it is safe for the 2.4A (slower)rapid
charging if the power adapter can support upto 2.4A.
I will recommend this to anyone who wants a spare cable for USB-C just like me. leave one at home, and take this with me
anywhere I go to charge the device.
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So you're saying the cable for sure goes up to 2.4A? Your pictures aren't showing up - just wanted to make sure.
I asked about USB-A to C before and someone was very adamant in saying, "The USB standard for an in spec Type A to C cable will charge at 1.5A. "
What does Benson Leung say about this product?
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trama09 said:
So you're saying the cable for sure goes up to 2.4A? You're pictures aren't showing up - just wanted to make sure.
I asked about USB-A to C before and someone was very adamant in saying, "The USB standard for an in spec Type A to C cable will charge at 1.5A. "
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I don't have quick charger 2.0 brick or equivalent. The most I got is a Samsung brick that goes 2A at the most and I did get near that. When I get a hand on better adapter, I will test it out.
For 3A fast charging speeds, USB C Charger with CC cable is the only way
Well, I'm pretty sure that simply put, A to C reaches only 2.4A at maximum, no matter what wall charger you use. If you want full 3A fast charging speeds, C to C is the only way.
I purchased and tried their USB C wall charger with C to C cable. I wasn't disappointed. They are well built and work fine ... at almost the same fast speed as the OEM Charger.
Subiegsr said:
Might just go with the one on the Google website now, since it's only a few dollars more and it'll probably ship faster. Amazon says it'll arrive after Christmas now.
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I'm not a fan of the Google charger because it's hard wired. Wires tends to go bad before the block so its a cheaper fix than buying a whole new charger.
plokm said:
I'm not a fan of the Google charger because it's hard wired. Wires tends to go bad before the block so its a cheaper fix than buying a whole new charger.
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Ah didn't think about that. Good call!
plokm said:
I'm not a fan of the Google charger because it's hard wired. Wires tends to go bad before the block so its a cheaper fix than buying a whole new charger.
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Odd.. do you mean the model you've got has the cable connected to the charger (i.e not removable)? The international edition (H1512) I got in Hong Kong while travelling is detachable and is type C on either end. I didnt' realize there were variations with the included accessories.
plokm said:
I'm not a fan of the Google charger because it's hard wired. Wires tends to go bad before the block so its a cheaper fix than buying a whole new charger.
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Agreed, wires do likely wear faster. But should you expect either to go bad in less than a couple of years if handled reasonably?
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Well, I'm pretty sure that simply put, A to C reaches only 2.4A at maximum, no matter what wall charger you use. If you want full 3A fast charging speeds, C to C is the only way.
I purchased and tried their USB C wall charger with C to C cable. I wasn't disappointed. They are well built and work fine ... at almost the same fast speed as the OEM Charger.
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Using a physical power meter I've verified that the Nexus 6P will only charge at 1.5A at 5V with standard 2A/2.4A chargers (I've tried 3-4 different USB A chargers). These are far more accurate than ampere as ampere measures net current, current in minus consumed current, not just the incoming current from the charger.
I'm not aware of a physical device that measures power through a type C cable other than the twinkie device that benson mentions and is several hundred dollars.
jpbl1976 said:
Odd.. do you mean the model you've got has the cable connected to the charger (i.e not removable)? The international edition (H1512) I got in Hong Kong while travelling is detachable and is type C on either end. I didnt' realize there were variations with the included accessories.
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I think he/she is referring to the extra one you buy from the accessories on the Google 6p site. The one included is a removable USB C-C cord.
NCguy said:
Agreed, wires do likely wear faster. But should you expect either to go bad in less than a couple of years if handled reasonably?
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Yes.....sooner or later you will probably have to replace both. I had good luck with all of my samsung charging blocks never had to replace any of them
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I think he/she is referring to the extra one you buy from the accessories on the Google 6p site. The one included is a removable USB C-C cord.
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Correct subiegsr I was talking about the Google store ones
ylexot said:
What are you talking about? There's only one version. I was the first one on this forum to get it (as far as I know) and it works just like the Google charger.
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If you read the Amazon comments so people where saying they received a different model than the one I've reviewed. As for fast charging with the Choetech after day 3 I still have no issues. It charges my phone from 1% to 100% in around 90 minutes.
Quick and dirty test of the Tronsmart 33W Dual USB Wall Charger. Amazon Link
Nice and sturdy. No complaints on the build and aesthetics here. Smaller than I thought it'd be (based off of the images on Amazon) - good thing.
Tested with a 6.6 ft. Cable Matters® USB 2.0 Type-C to Type-C cable.
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Looks like we have another 3rd party wall charger option?
This is exactly what I've been waiting for, along with the matching car charger. Thanks for the heads up.
Works really great. Charges as fast as my Huawei Type C charger. Highly recommended!
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Complete opposite impression of OP as I do not recommend this charger. Charges my nexus 7 at 300 mA via the A port and charges my 6P via the C port at 2200 mA. USB C cables fall right out of the port with no force required and the components inside the charger wiggle around when you move the charger. Also quite a bit heavier and larger than the stock Huawei charger.
Tronsmart offered to send me a replacement but I have a feeling I will be getting a refund.
MoNsTeReNeRgY22 said:
Complete opposite impression of OP as I do not recommend this charger. Charges my nexus 7 at 300 mA via the A port and charges my 6P via the C port at 2200 mA. USB C cables fall right out of the port with no force required and the components inside the charger wiggle around when you move the charger. Also quite a bit heavier and larger than the stock Huawei charger.
Tronsmart offered to send me a replacement but I have a feeling I will be getting a refund.
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It seems like you receievd a defective unit clearly. I've had the charger for a while now, and other than having it break while traveling (my fault) it worked perfectly. The charger still works, but it has a crack in it thanks to rough handling in my bag while traveling (and putting it in a non-padded pocket). The ports at all snug and it does charge up at 2.950A based on what I saw while testing it. I don't think your experience is typical, but it also doesn't make our any better to experience. I hope you get it worked out
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Works really great. Charges as fast as my Huawei Type C charger. Highly recommended!
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my Tronsmart Collection
1. Charger
2. USB OTG Cable
3. USB Type C to A (3.3ft)
4. USB Type C to C (3.3ft)
i'll post my AMPERE Reading later, my battery is at full
Looks like a great option! I wonder how this compares to the CHOETECH 39W USB C 3 port charger? I'm trying to decide between one of the two myself as I could use an extra wall charger.
http://www.amazon.com/Charger-CHOETECH-3-Port-Adapter-Detect/dp/B019Z7RVK0
Hows the heat output on the Tronsmart while charger? I heard that was an issue with an early version of CHOETECH first usb c charger.
What is the size comparison to the charger that comes with the Nexus?
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Pilz said:
It seems like you receievd a defective unit clearly. I've had the charger for a while now, and other than having it break while traveling (my fault) it worked perfectly. The charger still works, but it has a crack in it thanks to rough handling in my bag while traveling (and putting it in a non-padded pocket). The ports at all snug and it does charge up at 2.950A based on what I saw while testing it. I don't think your experience is typical, but it also doesn't make our any better to experience. I hope you get it worked out
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Interesting, thanks for the response.
How about your A port, charge any devices with that? Mine is super slow with my Nexus 7 and my buddies Galaxy S6.
crucialcolin said:
Looks like a great option! I wonder how this compares to the CHOETECH 39W USB C 3 port charger? I'm trying to decide between one of the two myself as I could use an extra wall charger.
http://www.amazon.com/Charger-CHOETECH-3-Port-Adapter-Detect/dp/B019Z7RVK0
Hows the heat output on the Tronsmart while charger? I heard that was an issue with an early version of CHOETECH first usb c charger.
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Didnt see that one before. Not happy with my Tronsmart at the moment. If the replacement still has the same issues, I will be returning it and probably will give that CHOETECH a shot.
Also my Tronsmart gets quite warm to the touch (not unbearable though), can give you an exact temp once I find my infrared thermometer.
RHChan84 said:
What is the size comparison to the charger that comes with the Nexus?
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Its definitely bigger and quite a bit heavier than the stock 6P charger. I don't have my stock one with me otherwise I would take a comparison pic.
MoNsTeReNeRgY22 said:
Interesting, thanks for the response.
How about your A port, charge any devices with that? Mine is super slow with my Nexus 7 and my buddies Galaxy S6.
Didnt see that one before. Not happy with my Tronsmart at the moment. If the replacement still has the same issues, I will be returning it and probably will give that CHOETECH a shot.
Also my Tronsmart gets quite warm to the touch (not unbearable though), can give you an exact temp once I find my infrared thermometer.
Its definitely bigger and quite a bit heavier than the stock 6P charger. I don't have my stock one with me otherwise I would take a comparison pic.
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Well the Type A port puts out the rated 5V/3A if your device can charge at that rate. Most phones will only charge at 5V/2A via a type A port, so that's why it chargers them slower.
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Well the Type A port puts out the rated 5V/3A if your device can charge at that rate. Most phones will only charge at 5V/2A via a type A port, so that's why it chargers them slower.
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I understand that, but my N7 on the A port only charges at a max 350 amps.
MoNsTeReNeRgY22 said:
I understand that, but my N7 on the A port only charges at a max 350 amps.
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350A is a HUGE amount of power, I think you mean 350mAh. How did you check the current rate for the N7? If you used Ampere or any app then it's not accurate so you need to use an inline multimeter. . Mine outputs ~5V/2A charging my S7E and it gives my 1.5A over the Type A port using my Nexus 6P. If yours doesn't output the correct current then it's likely defective.
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350A is a HUGE amount of power, I think you mean 350mAh. How did you check the current rate for the N7? If you used Ampere or any app then it's not accurate so you need to use an inline multimeter. . Mine outputs ~5V/2A charging my S7E and it gives my 1.5A over the Type A port using my Nexus 6P. If yours doesn't output the correct current then it's likely defective.
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Lol, yes I did mean mAh. I understand the apps aren't as accurate as an actual inline meter, but I thought they at least got you in the correct ballpark?
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Lol, yes I did mean mAh. I understand the apps aren't as accurate as an actual inline meter, but I thought they at least got you in the correct ballpark?
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Not necessarily, I've seen them be off as much as 1A before especially on my S7E, so I don't go by those. If it seems like it's defective then I would contact Tronsmart because they could probably give you a better answer.
It does seem like both these chargers are hit and miss. Likely resulting from poor QC. I picked up a tronsmart myself after deciding between the two. It should be arriving today. Unfortunately my 6P is due later in the week.
I've had my Tronsmart for a few weeks now, based on initial impressions from OP. I've had zero issues with it. Matter of fact, I replaced a multiport charger on my nightstand for this one, as all I normally charge now is my N6P and my LG Watch. Coupled with iOrange-E 2m braided cables, I have zero issues with charging the N6P. Now I keep my OEM charger at the office (just in case).
I have this charger for about 2 weeks and I haven' t got any issue yet.
Here's to hoping my replacement is better ?
One of the big android blogs just did a post on tronsmart praising them for their products. Felt sponsored though so I'm weary.
I almost have the whole set. Ony one missing is the car charger. This s a nice set! No issues whatsoever.
I have heard that some Type C data cables should not be used as they can damage the device. What brands of cables are good as I can not find an LG cable? Is Anker still a good brand for type C? I am looking for one with type C at one end and type A at the other.
Also, will using my existing Anker car charger be fine with my G5?
don't have any specific cables to recommend, but can read here and see if you can find some.
USB Type C Cables and Accessories Reviews
androidauthority: Best USB Type-C cables
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I have heard that some Type C data cables should not be used as they can damage the device. What brands of cables are good as I can not find an LG cable? Is Anker still a good brand for type C? I am looking for one with type C at one end and type A at the other.
Also, will using my existing Anker car charger be fine with my G5?
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Go to Amazon and look for "iOrange-E Type C". The iOrange ones are really very good. But if you don't like them for some reason go to the Reviews section of the page and the first review you will see is from a guy named "Benson Leung". Click his name and you will see all of his reviews. Benson works for Google and has been running his own tests on cables and rates them based on power complaint standards (the ones that won't mess up your stuff). He rates the ones that pass as 5 stars. He isn't rating if he likes them or not, he is basing his reviews solely on if they are complaint with the standards for type-c. One cable he tested even burned out his computer it was so bad.
Here is some stuff to know too. A type-c to type-c will be O.K. to use no matter where it comes from. You will notice that all of the reviews are for USB to Type-C or adapters or chargers. That is where the power standards come into play.
Edit: Using your own car charger is fine as long as it is connected to a compliant USB to Type-C cable.
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Go to Amazon and look for "iOrange-E Type C". The iOrange ones are really very good. But if you don't like them for some reason go to the Reviews section of the page and the first review you will see is from a guy named "Benson Leung". Click his name and you will see all of his reviews. Benson works for Google and has been running his own tests on cables and rates them based on power complaint standards (the ones that won't mess up your stuff). He rates the ones that pass as 5 stars. He isn't rating if he likes them or not, he is basing his reviews solely on if they are complaint with the standards for type-c. One cable he tested even burned out his computer it was so bad.
Here is some stuff to know too. A type-c to type-c will be O.K. to use no matter where it comes from. You will notice that all of the reviews are for USB to Type-C or adapters or chargers. That is where the power standards come into play.
Edit: Using your own car charger is fine as long as it is connected to a compliant USB to Type-C cable.
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Thank you so very much
I've always trusted Anker. I was surprised to see they don't have a very wide offering of USB-C products or really much of any QC 3.0 products either. But I just ordered a car charger and type c cable from them on Amazon. Brand loyalty's gotta be worth something right?
Another choice is to buy a micro usb to type-c adapter if you have old cables and don't want to waste them.
Xiaomi produces a decent adapter and it's Benson Leung Certified. You can find it for $1.50 on sites like tinydeal.
Please see Benson Leung's Amazon reviews section. You can find dozens of cables reveiwed on just this one page.
amazon.com/gp/pdp/profile/A25GROL6KJV3QG/ref=cm_cr_rdp_pdp
While Amazon has changed their policy to try to get rid of bad USB type C cables, it will take a while so make sure you read a spec compliance review by somebody before you buy one.
I have bought some Tronsmart cables so far and they are pretty good quality cables.
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Go to Amazon and look for "iOrange-E Type C". The iOrange ones are really very good. But if you don't like them for some reason go to the Reviews section of the page and the first review you will see is from a guy named "Benson Leung". Click his name and you will see all of his reviews. Benson works for Google and has been running his own tests on cables and rates them based on power complaint standards (the ones that won't mess up your stuff). He rates the ones that pass as 5 stars. He isn't rating if he likes them or not, he is basing his reviews solely on if they are complaint with the standards for type-c. One cable he tested even burned out his computer it was so bad.
Here is some stuff to know too. A type-c to type-c will be O.K. to use no matter where it comes from. You will notice that all of the reviews are for USB to Type-C or adapters or chargers. That is where the power standards come into play.
Edit: Using your own car charger is fine as long as it is connected to a compliant USB to Type-C cable.
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I took your advice and read some of Benson Leung's reviews and I bought the 6' iOrange cable off of Amazon http://www.amazon.com/iOrange-E-Braided-Stepped-Connector-ChromeBook/dp/B01B7R419K?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00. $12.99 and it was here in two days. So far so good. The cable that came with the phone is so short!
Like stated above I just check reviews section for Benson Leung's comment to make sure. I ordered these (1)charger/(3)cables, should be arriving tomorrow. I don't think I'll have any issues but if I do I'll mention it. Links to amazon items under each pic.
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I purchased the Anker UBC type cable from Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Anker-Devices...&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00 ). Its completely too big for the charging port. I have emailed them about it on Monday but I have yet to get a response. I see someone posted a quickcharge 3.0 option.
I was considering purchasing this one ( http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01CJ90J6O/ref=crt_ewc_title_dp_4?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A294P4X9EWVXLJ ) since it actually calls out the G5.
I was also wondering , is the charger in the box with the G5 quickcharge 3.0? I didnt see that anywhere
for those people who has a QC 2.0, there is no point to upgrade to a QC 3.0, there is only a minor differences between the two and with a slightly faster speed.
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I purchased the Anker UBC type cable from Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Anker-Devices...&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00 ). Its completely too big for the charging port. I have emailed them about it on Monday but I have yet to get a response. I see someone posted a quickcharge 3.0 option.
I was considering purchasing this one ( http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01CJ90J6O/ref=crt_ewc_title_dp_4?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A294P4X9EWVXLJ ) since it actually calls out the G5.
I was also wondering , is the charger in the box with the G5 quickcharge 3.0? I didnt see that anywhere
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you mean you can't plug the cable into the port.
Not sure how these have such good reviews:
http://www.amazon.com/USB-Type-Brai...&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00
We ordered two 2-Packs and every one of the four cables just falls out of the G5. They're extremely loose fit, cant touch the phone at all while charging or the wire just falls out.
Someone buy good type c cable?
I will order two VCE cables from aliexpres
Monoprice.com!!!!!!
http://www.monoprice.com/pages/usb_31_type_c
BEST cables I've ever used...of ANY TYPE. HDMI, USB 3.0, USB C...etc... The quality and gauge of wire is light years above the competition. EZO Power is also decent...but I keep returning to Monoprice. Never been let down!!!! Good prices, too!!!!!:good:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0197WDHF6/ref=cm_sw_r_other_awd_UVRfxbC22V3HP
I got one of these and it is awesome.
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I just get VCE Type-c cable and it is perfect. I buy when i see Benson Leung review
I just got a bunch of micro USB to type C adapter, much safer and cheaper, since I have over 10 micro USB cables left over from my samsung and other phones.
They all work with charging/fast charging and data.
just a few out of a bunch I have purchase, not too sure what the quality is like so I got lots and different types, they only cost about USD 1-1.5 each.
I know I've read into this but I get confused and then I forget. Can someone remind me—do USB C cables (not chargers, just the cables) differ in terms of compatibility with QC 3.0? That is, I need to make sure that BOTH the charger AND the cable are QC 3.0 to ensure I'm getting it, yes?
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for those people who has a QC 2.0, there is no point to upgrade to a QC 3.0, there is only a minor differences between the two and with a slightly faster speed.
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you mean you can't plug the cable into the port.
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I reached out to Anker about this issue. They asked me to remove the case and check it again. it fit much better. Still seems a bit snug, but I haven't had any issues.
i just ordered this and this. I'll let you know how well they work. i am hoping the usb cord will give me a little more room to do what I need. and the adapters will allow me to use my usb port that i hard-wired into my car.
Since there is still such a limited amount of phones with QC4+, I wanted to see if anyone had information about the accessory availability and compatibility of products like cables, car adaptors, etc.
After searching around, I can't find a car adaptor or portable charger (power bank) anywhere that is actually approved as QC4+.
Qualcomm's website shows that my QC3 stuff from my other phones/tablet is backward compatible, however, it does not clearly state that "compatible" will be charging at QC4+ speeds. My assumption is no since QC3 had max power around 18W and QC4+ is about 27W.
Can anyone share a little more information in simple terms so I can understand a bit more?
Will my current QC3 cables work without issue?
What is the minimum USB spec required on PC to work?
Will any USB-PD charging products/accessories work on the U12+?
Where (and when) can I find accessories like car adaptors, banks, cables, etc.
Thank you for your help!
There is a HAMA wall and a car charger which is approved and listed on the HAMA homepage. Bit it hasn't been released yet, as I found out. So no equipment yet. That's why HTC still has a QC 3.0 charger in box I guess.
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Why in the world would it ship with a qc3 charger/cable? I am just dumbfounded by this one.
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Why in the world would it ship with a qc3 charger/cable? I am just dumbfounded by this one.
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Most likely because they already have them in stock? It's already faster than most people upgrade from, at least my U12+ got up to almost full in less than hour.
Here's the QC 4.0 charger I'm considering ordering (want to check first if it's indeed certified before I order it): https://www.amazon.com/Charger-Tenke.../dp/B0789F6FNG
I am guessing that my qc3 cables won't work with qc4 at all then since they have a max of 20v. Frustrating since I just bought a set of cables!
Based on my limited research, it looks like the new PD standard will work with QC4. Androidpit says
"Quick Charge 4 is compatible with Power Delivery, which raises the question of what Quick Charge 4 brings to the table. Power Delivery is already proficient in technologies for negotiating current and voltage. Qualcomm’s Quick Charge 4 can intervene to take control with regard to the device’s so-called thermal budget; in other words: It makes sure that the smartphone does not get too hot when charging. The fact that Quick Charge and PD can co-exist is due to the fact that Power Delivery is solely a protocol for negotiating voltage and current. Quick Charge 4 has simply learned to speak this language, but does the same thing as Quick Charge 3 with a few upgrades. Thus, QC4 is exclusive to Type-C."
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If anyone eventually gets there phone and can try a PD3 charger or cables they have around, let us know if it works!
QC4.0 brings faster charging/lower charge time to the table, specifically for Qualcomm SoCs.
PD3.0 only provides more information, as PD3.0 and PD2.0 are exactly the same as far as voltage/cable/etc go:
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QC4.0 brings faster charging/lower charge time to the table, specifically for Qualcomm SoCs.
PD3.0 only provides more information, as PD3.0 and PD2.0 are exactly the same as far as voltage/cable/etc go:
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So PD will work over any USB 3 cable or do they have specific data channels proprietary to the USB cable?
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I am guessing that my qc3 cables won't work with qc4 at all then since they have a max of 20v. Frustrating since I just bought a set of cables!
Based on my limited research, it looks like the new PD standard will work with QC4. Androidpit says
If anyone eventually gets there phone and can try a PD3 charger or cables they have around, let us know if it works!
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I have USB-PD at both work and home, so you can bet I'll be giving it a go. I'd much rather use USB-PD chargers that I already have than have to buy specialized chargers and cables for QC3/4.
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I have USB-PD at both work and home, so you can bet I'll be giving it a go. I'd much rather use USB-PD chargers that I already have than have to buy specialized chargers and cables for QC3/4.
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Awesome, thank you! Are you in on the preorder to test early?
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Awesome, thank you! Are you in on the preorder to test early?
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Unfortunately no. My ship date is in July, however my order already says Boxes Shippment.
Curious, did the Razer Phone not ship with a Quick Charge 4 adapter? I remember there was controversy over this. I would think that would be an easy solution for finding an AC adapter.
HTC U12 Plus and QC4+...how???!!!
I have the HTC U12 Plus which is supposed to support QC4+. I purchased the Razer wall charger because it is Qualcomm certified and has QC4+ stamped right on the bottom. I didn't know that I needed a USB c to c cable and according to Qualcomm's website it states that any USB c to c cable will work. I purchased the Amazon Basic c to c cable ($3.99) and the Belkin F2CU030bt1M-BLK and I can't notice a difference in speed using either cable vs using the QC3 charger that came in the box. I tried running a 20%-100% test and came up with a nearly identical time. Does anyone have any information on what I might be doing wrong or how I can get this sang QC4+to work?????? Thank you very much.
The cable has to be capable of the high power output as well, otherwise it'll throttle to the mentioned QC 3.0 speeds. May e that's why the potential cable provided by Razer is that expensive as well.
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My apologies for not returning to this thread sooner. I've been using my Anker USB-PD charger with one of their massively thick, USB-C to USB-C PD-compliant cable, and it is been fantastic. Charging times are quite fast.
USB C Wall Charger, Anker Premium 60W 5-Port Desktop Charger with One 30W Power Delivery Port for Apple MacBook, Nexus 5X/6P, and 4 PowerIQ Ports for iPhone, iPad, and More
Anker PowerLine USB-C to USB-C 3.1 Gen 1 Cable (3ft) with Power Delivery for USB Type-C Devices Including Galaxy S8, S8+, S9, Google Pixel, Nexus 6P, Huawei Matebook, MacBook and More
Anker USB C
So with the aforementioned Anker USB C cable you believe that you're achieving QC4+ speeds? If that's the case, I will purchase it immediately. It annoys me that it clearly states on Qualcomm's website that any USB C to C will work to achieve 4+ charging speeds. Thank you very much for the information!
Here is a list of certified 4+ wall chargers. I can only find the Razer anywhere.
• Ever Win car charger (VP4plus)*
• Ever Win wall charger (TC4Plus)*
• Portway Wall Charger (PTL-27WPDQ4)*
• Razer Phone Power Adapter*
* Supports Quick Charge 4+
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So with the aforementioned Anker USB C cable you believe that you're achieving QC4+ speeds? If that's the case, I will purchase it immediately. It annoys me that it clearly states on Qualcomm's website that any USB C to C will work to achieve 4+ charging speeds. Thank you very much for the information!
Here is a list of certified 4+ wall chargers. I can only find the Razer anywhere.
• Ever Win car charger (VP4plus)*
• Ever Win wall charger (TC4Plus)*
• Portway Wall Charger (PTL-27WPDQ4)*
• Razer Phone Power Adapter*
* Supports Quick Charge 4+
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I honestly have no way of comparing USB-PD speeds to QC4.0. I don't have a QC4.0 charger and at this point, it doesn't make a lot of sense to get one. Other than the handful of Anker QC3.0 chargers that I have to power their Power Wave wireless charging pads, all of my devices (iPhone, iPad, U12+, my gf's Essential, Apple TV remotes...) all use or can use USB-PD.
I can say though that I topped up from 75% to 100% in well under half an hour (while I was showering and getting ready for work this morning).
So the Razer charger is QC4.0 certified? I don't want to sound brand discriminatory (even if I actually am), but the Razer charger would be the only one I'd consider buying, especially given my environment (Apple devices have been very temperamental with sketchy chargers and cables), because I've used Razer products and am familiar with the brand and build quality.
Yes Indeed
Yes it is QC4+ certified on Qualcomm's website. I don't know what to do...keep the Razer or try this TENKER that just arrived.
HTC/Ever Win/Razer
I just literally spent 2 hours on the phone with HTC who confirmed via voice and via online chat that YES the U12+ supports QC4+ however they do not make a charger as we are all well aware of. I the called The Ever Win company who is listed on Qualcomm's website as a certified manufacturer of a QC4+ wall and car charger and the response that I received is that they're not available on the market yet and are undergoing testing. Timetable until public purchase...none. To be quite honest, I am sick and tired of researching this I just want the dang thang to work and charge at QC4+ speeds. I even tried a 100 watt capable USB c to c using the Razer wall charger and nothing...no difference...so I'm stumped at this point because QC4+ runs on 27 watts. Oh, and I also tried that Tenker 60w brick of a charger and nothing. One final note is that I did ask HTC if they have some type of software installed on the U12+ that somehow blocks the QC4+ from working and was emphatically told no...of course I was also told not to use 3rd party accessories..lol. So I don't know what else to do at this point but to give up and wait for more products to hit the market that have the QC4+ stamp right on it like the Razer does...I'm just baffled as to why it won't work. ? I'm also pretty frigging annoyed/pissed at this point.
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I just literally spent 2 hours on the phone with HTC who confirmed via voice and via online chat that YES the U12+ supports QC4+ however they do not make a charger as we are all well aware of. I the called The Ever Win company who is listed on Qualcomm's website as a certified manufacturer of a QC4+ wall and car charger and the response that I received is that they're not available on the market yet and are undergoing testing. Timetable until public purchase...none. To be quite honest, I am sick and tired of researching this I just want the dang thang to work and charge at QC4+ speeds. I even tried a 100 watt capable USB c to c using the Razer wall charger and nothing...no difference...so I'm stumped at this point because QC4+ runs on 27 watts. Oh, and I also tried that Tenker 60w brick of a charger and nothing. One final note is that I did ask HTC if they have some type of software installed on the U12+ that somehow blocks the QC4+ from working and was emphatically told no...of course I was also told not to use 3rd party accessories..lol. So I don't know what else to do at this point but to give up and wait for more products to hit the market that have the QC4+ stamp right on it like the Razer does...I'm just baffled as to why it won't work. I'm also pretty frigging annoyed/pissed at this point.
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What are the QC4+ speeds supposed to be?
I've looked at Razor's page and it doesn't show anything in the description on the charger.
Amazon has it for sale, and it does have a description on there. This is what it in the description for the speed:
"Our 24 Watt charger with Qualcomm quick charge 4.0+ is designed for Ultra fast charging. Go from zero to fifty percent in just 40 minutes."
Is that inline for what speeds you are getting on the U12+?
B!RD said:
I just literally spent 2 hours on the phone with HTC who confirmed via voice and via online chat that YES the U12+ supports QC4+ however they do not make a charger as we are all well aware of. I the called The Ever Win company who is listed on Qualcomm's website as a certified manufacturer of a QC4+ wall and car charger and the response that I received is that they're not available on the market yet and are undergoing testing. Timetable until public purchase...none. To be quite honest, I am sick and tired of researching this I just want the dang thang to work and charge at QC4+ speeds. I even tried a 100 watt capable USB c to c using the Razer wall charger and nothing...no difference...so I'm stumped at this point because QC4+ runs on 27 watts. Oh, and I also tried that Tenker 60w brick of a charger and nothing. One final note is that I did ask HTC if they have some type of software installed on the U12+ that somehow blocks the QC4+ from working and was emphatically told no...of course I was also told not to use 3rd party accessories..lol. So I don't know what else to do at this point but to give up and wait for more products to hit the market that have the QC4+ stamp right on it like the Razer does...I'm just baffled as to why it won't work. I'm also pretty frigging annoyed/pissed at this point.
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This may sound silly, so forgive me. But have you tried the cable that Razer shipped as well?
Otherwise my only advice is to go the USB-PD route.
I'd like to start a thread to see what users are getting for wireless charging speeds.
Here are my results:
Charger used: iOttie iON Wireless Mini Fast Charging Pad (10W)
I tried charging while using my Pixel 3 XL naked, and with a Moment Photo Case. The case didn't seem to affect the charging speed and averages stayed around 400mA.
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I did several Tests using the iOttie Pad and the Google Stand chargers.
I tested: Buck Naked, Moments thin Lens case, and jumbo thick Otterbox Defender.
All tests were done with Pixel 3XL at around 60% charge
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Google Stand:
Google Pad Buck Naked
Google Pad Moments thin case
Google Pad Otterbox defender (prolly the thickest case around)
iOtiie Pad:
Buck Naked
iOttie Moments thin case
iOttie Thick OtterBox Defender
What app are you using to test the charging speeds?
Since @leebsammy and I bought the same Moments Cases I gots to show off the Macro Lens too
An old Pentium 4 CPU
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Macro Lens, no Zoom
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Macro Lens, Max zoom
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I haven't had time to play with the Tele Lens much yet
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What app are you using to test the charging speeds?
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We both were using Ampere by Braintrapp
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gombosdev.ampere&hl=en_US
https://www.androidpolice.com/2018/...g-rate-standard-5w-third-party-charging-pads/
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help xda, tweak around this !
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https://www.androidpolice.com/2018/...g-rate-standard-5w-third-party-charging-pads/
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ARE YOU KIDDING!?!? Even apple hasn't done something this absurd... What's next, only quick charge via cable through Google's official charger. This is really disappointing to find out, and very shady considering when you use a wireless charger capable of quick charge the phone will still read out "charging rapidly"
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ARE YOU KIDDING!?!? Even apple hasn't done something this absurd... What's next, only quick charge via cable through Google's official charger. This is really disappointing to find out, and very shady considering when you use a wireless charger capable of quick charge the phone will still read out "charging rapidly"
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I agree, this is unacceptable. When I ordered this phone I was sure I'd keep it but I'm not so sure now. Too many issues for a flagship phone. I may return this and wait for either the issues to be resolved or something better to come along. Back to my Moto X Pure old reliable backup.
Hopefully google will see sense and enable 10w wireless charging for 3rd party chargers as there is no way I am paying £69 for their official one.
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I agree, this is unacceptable. When I ordered this phone I was sure I'd keep it but I'm not so sure now. Too many issues for a flagship phone. I may return this and wait for either the issues to be resolved or something better to come along. Back to my Moto X Pure old reliable backup.
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Me and you both. I almost returned it the other day for other reasons. But now I see that Google screwing with the wireless charging! Come on Google! Now I'm definitely considering returning this phone.
i have the Samsung Qi Certified Fast Charge Wireless Charging Convertible Stand/Pad and I can confirm I'm getting around 500 mAh.
i'm hoping it's just modifying pixel stand apk to disabling the "handshake" connection protocol
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Pure+ said:
ARE YOU KIDDING!?!? Even apple hasn't done something this absurd... What's next, only quick charge via cable through Google's official charger. This is really disappointing to find out, and very shady considering when you use a wireless charger capable of quick charge the phone will still read out "charging rapidly"
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daleski75 said:
Hopefully google will see sense and enable 10w wireless charging for 3rd party chargers as there is no way I am paying £69 for their official one.
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lyall29 said:
Me and you both. I almost returned it the other day for other reasons. But now I see that Google screwing with the wireless charging! Come on Google! Now I'm definitely considering returning this phone.
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This is shady af, but explains why i was getting such slow charging speeds.. Can this be fixed via root?
leebsammy said:
This is shady af, but explains why i was getting such slow charging speeds.. Can this be fixed via root?
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I’m done with the Pixel 3. It’s all packed up and waiting on FedEx to come pick it up. Good luck to everyone.
This is being portrayed incorrectly. Someone in the reddit thread on this did some research on this, and it turns out Samsung is using a nonstandard protocol which the third party market adopted. This does not seem to be a case of Google locking out third party chargers with software. So, we just need to wait for third parties to adopt Google's standard (belkin already has), which nonetheless is disappointing.
Before everyone gets all up in arms, Google is NOT limiting 3rd-party chargers that would otherwise support fast-charging the Pixel 3. There is a Belkin wireless charger that supports 10w on Pixel, so clearly 3rd-party fast charging of Pixel 3 is "allowed."
The actual reason that 3rd-party Qi fast chargers are limited to 5w is because the Pixel 3 does not use the Qi fast charging standard; they use the earlier 5W Qi spec and a proprietary fast charge method. So, when using a Qi charger, you are limited by the hardware to 5w.
Samsung also uses a proprietary fast charging standard, it's just that because of Samsung's market share, most 3rd-party fast wireless chargers support it.
So, it's not that Google is artificially limiting 3rd-party chargers, it's just that most 3rd-party charging hardware doesn't support the Pixel 3's proprietary fast charging yet.
This isn't quite correct, Everyone but Oppo and it's related products are using the Qualcomm standard which they license without charge. Samsung had modified this somewhat but it still works generically across devices and chargers. For an example my Note 8 would quick charge with any charger in the house, wired and wireless. I could also throw another non Samsung phone on my Samsung charger and that phone would charge wirelessly. Goog is also using the Qualcomm standard which it has modified but not in a consider forward way. I'm pretty POed about this, I've got all the chargers I need and it's almost criminally wasteful to have to buy more.
I was already seriously on the fence with this device, I'm going to see what Oneplus brings and make up my mind after.
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Before everyone gets all up in arms, Google is NOT limiting 3rd-party chargers that would otherwise support fast-charging the Pixel 3. There is a Belkin wireless charger that supports 10w on Pixel, so clearly 3rd-party fast charging of Pixel 3 is "allowed."
The actual reason that 3rd-party Qi fast chargers are limited to 5w is because the Pixel 3 does not use the Qi fast charging standard; they use the earlier 5W Qi spec and a proprietary fast charge method. So, when using a Qi charger, you are limited by the hardware to 5w.
Samsung also uses a proprietary fast charging standard, it's just that because of Samsung's market share, most 3rd-party fast wireless chargers support it.
So, it's not that Google is artificially limiting 3rd-party chargers, it's just that most 3rd-party charging hardware doesn't support the Pixel 3's proprietary fast charging yet.
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Sanity reigns supreme. Thank you for a truly measured response. Sending a device back because it will only charge at 5W vs. 10 with a generic charger? Really? How about giving it a month or so for the companies to catch up to the new standard? I can understand why they might do this initially. I think a little outrage on XDA and Android Police would be peanuts compared to 50 devices exploding on a night stand because of overheating and poor charging specifications. Personally I don't think I'd ever use wireless charging and certainly not for $79 bucks, but that could change if I find a use for it. I have so many USB C chargers and cables it would be a waste of money for me.
As for Apple not even doing something like this.. come on. Think chargers, plugs, no headphone jacks (we copied that one). I'm sure you could come up with a few more.
bobby janow said:
Sanity reigns supreme. Thank you for a truly measured response. Sending a device back because it will only charge at 5W vs. 10 with a generic charger? Really? How about giving it a month or so for the companies to catch up to the new standard? I can understand why they might do this initially. I think a little outrage on XDA and Android Police would be peanuts compared to 50 devices exploding on a night stand because of overheating and poor charging specifications. Personally I don't think I'd ever use wireless charging and certainly not for $79 bucks, but that could change if I find a use for it. I have so many USB C chargers and cables it would be a waste of money for me.
As for Apple not even doing something like this.. come on. Think chargers, plugs, no headphone jacks (we copied that one). I'm sure you could come up with a few more.
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I personally didn’t send the device back for this reason alone. I was also disappointed with the speakers and the black crush/clipping in darker videos. The slow wireless charging was the 3rd strike.
Edit...For anyone interested, Android Police has updated their article on this subject. You should have a look
google has already replied to this topic and said that 3rd party chargers are going to adopt the pixel way of charging with the handshake that the pixel stand does. they are not limiting, they are just waiting for the other chargers to catch up.
freebee269 said:
now back on topic, google has already replied to this topic and said that 3rd party chargers are going to adopt the pixel way of charging with the handshake that the pixel stand does. they are not limiting, they are just waiting for the other chargers to catch up.
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This is not a solution. There is already a standard for Qi charging and many people have already purchased numerous chargers that SHOULD be able to fast charge their device. If Google is waiting for other manufacturers to "catch up" then it is basically waiting for them to solve a problem that Google created. That doesn't change the fact that the practice is rather consumer hostile and hard to justify without going so deep into fanboy territory that even the Apple fans would tell you it's too far.
I sincerely hope that they reverse course on this decision or at least explain the technical reason as to why such a "handshake" is required for fast charging, but only on Pixel devices. I can understand the handshake requirement to activate the additional functionality that the Pixel Stand offers, but preventing adequate charge speeds just because they can is a different story.
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