Since there is still such a limited amount of phones with QC4+, I wanted to see if anyone had information about the accessory availability and compatibility of products like cables, car adaptors, etc.
After searching around, I can't find a car adaptor or portable charger (power bank) anywhere that is actually approved as QC4+.
Qualcomm's website shows that my QC3 stuff from my other phones/tablet is backward compatible, however, it does not clearly state that "compatible" will be charging at QC4+ speeds. My assumption is no since QC3 had max power around 18W and QC4+ is about 27W.
Can anyone share a little more information in simple terms so I can understand a bit more?
Will my current QC3 cables work without issue?
What is the minimum USB spec required on PC to work?
Will any USB-PD charging products/accessories work on the U12+?
Where (and when) can I find accessories like car adaptors, banks, cables, etc.
Thank you for your help!
There is a HAMA wall and a car charger which is approved and listed on the HAMA homepage. Bit it hasn't been released yet, as I found out. So no equipment yet. That's why HTC still has a QC 3.0 charger in box I guess.
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Why in the world would it ship with a qc3 charger/cable? I am just dumbfounded by this one.
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Why in the world would it ship with a qc3 charger/cable? I am just dumbfounded by this one.
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Most likely because they already have them in stock? It's already faster than most people upgrade from, at least my U12+ got up to almost full in less than hour.
Here's the QC 4.0 charger I'm considering ordering (want to check first if it's indeed certified before I order it): https://www.amazon.com/Charger-Tenke.../dp/B0789F6FNG
I am guessing that my qc3 cables won't work with qc4 at all then since they have a max of 20v. Frustrating since I just bought a set of cables!
Based on my limited research, it looks like the new PD standard will work with QC4. Androidpit says
"Quick Charge 4 is compatible with Power Delivery, which raises the question of what Quick Charge 4 brings to the table. Power Delivery is already proficient in technologies for negotiating current and voltage. Qualcomm’s Quick Charge 4 can intervene to take control with regard to the device’s so-called thermal budget; in other words: It makes sure that the smartphone does not get too hot when charging. The fact that Quick Charge and PD can co-exist is due to the fact that Power Delivery is solely a protocol for negotiating voltage and current. Quick Charge 4 has simply learned to speak this language, but does the same thing as Quick Charge 3 with a few upgrades. Thus, QC4 is exclusive to Type-C."
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If anyone eventually gets there phone and can try a PD3 charger or cables they have around, let us know if it works!
QC4.0 brings faster charging/lower charge time to the table, specifically for Qualcomm SoCs.
PD3.0 only provides more information, as PD3.0 and PD2.0 are exactly the same as far as voltage/cable/etc go:
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QC4.0 brings faster charging/lower charge time to the table, specifically for Qualcomm SoCs.
PD3.0 only provides more information, as PD3.0 and PD2.0 are exactly the same as far as voltage/cable/etc go:
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So PD will work over any USB 3 cable or do they have specific data channels proprietary to the USB cable?
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I am guessing that my qc3 cables won't work with qc4 at all then since they have a max of 20v. Frustrating since I just bought a set of cables!
Based on my limited research, it looks like the new PD standard will work with QC4. Androidpit says
If anyone eventually gets there phone and can try a PD3 charger or cables they have around, let us know if it works!
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I have USB-PD at both work and home, so you can bet I'll be giving it a go. I'd much rather use USB-PD chargers that I already have than have to buy specialized chargers and cables for QC3/4.
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I have USB-PD at both work and home, so you can bet I'll be giving it a go. I'd much rather use USB-PD chargers that I already have than have to buy specialized chargers and cables for QC3/4.
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Awesome, thank you! Are you in on the preorder to test early?
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Awesome, thank you! Are you in on the preorder to test early?
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Unfortunately no. My ship date is in July, however my order already says Boxes Shippment.
Curious, did the Razer Phone not ship with a Quick Charge 4 adapter? I remember there was controversy over this. I would think that would be an easy solution for finding an AC adapter.
HTC U12 Plus and QC4+...how???!!!
I have the HTC U12 Plus which is supposed to support QC4+. I purchased the Razer wall charger because it is Qualcomm certified and has QC4+ stamped right on the bottom. I didn't know that I needed a USB c to c cable and according to Qualcomm's website it states that any USB c to c cable will work. I purchased the Amazon Basic c to c cable ($3.99) and the Belkin F2CU030bt1M-BLK and I can't notice a difference in speed using either cable vs using the QC3 charger that came in the box. I tried running a 20%-100% test and came up with a nearly identical time. Does anyone have any information on what I might be doing wrong or how I can get this sang QC4+to work?????? Thank you very much.
The cable has to be capable of the high power output as well, otherwise it'll throttle to the mentioned QC 3.0 speeds. May e that's why the potential cable provided by Razer is that expensive as well.
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My apologies for not returning to this thread sooner. I've been using my Anker USB-PD charger with one of their massively thick, USB-C to USB-C PD-compliant cable, and it is been fantastic. Charging times are quite fast.
USB C Wall Charger, Anker Premium 60W 5-Port Desktop Charger with One 30W Power Delivery Port for Apple MacBook, Nexus 5X/6P, and 4 PowerIQ Ports for iPhone, iPad, and More
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Anker USB C
So with the aforementioned Anker USB C cable you believe that you're achieving QC4+ speeds? If that's the case, I will purchase it immediately. It annoys me that it clearly states on Qualcomm's website that any USB C to C will work to achieve 4+ charging speeds. Thank you very much for the information!
Here is a list of certified 4+ wall chargers. I can only find the Razer anywhere.
• Ever Win car charger (VP4plus)*
• Ever Win wall charger (TC4Plus)*
• Portway Wall Charger (PTL-27WPDQ4)*
• Razer Phone Power Adapter*
* Supports Quick Charge 4+
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So with the aforementioned Anker USB C cable you believe that you're achieving QC4+ speeds? If that's the case, I will purchase it immediately. It annoys me that it clearly states on Qualcomm's website that any USB C to C will work to achieve 4+ charging speeds. Thank you very much for the information!
Here is a list of certified 4+ wall chargers. I can only find the Razer anywhere.
• Ever Win car charger (VP4plus)*
• Ever Win wall charger (TC4Plus)*
• Portway Wall Charger (PTL-27WPDQ4)*
• Razer Phone Power Adapter*
* Supports Quick Charge 4+
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I honestly have no way of comparing USB-PD speeds to QC4.0. I don't have a QC4.0 charger and at this point, it doesn't make a lot of sense to get one. Other than the handful of Anker QC3.0 chargers that I have to power their Power Wave wireless charging pads, all of my devices (iPhone, iPad, U12+, my gf's Essential, Apple TV remotes...) all use or can use USB-PD.
I can say though that I topped up from 75% to 100% in well under half an hour (while I was showering and getting ready for work this morning).
So the Razer charger is QC4.0 certified? I don't want to sound brand discriminatory (even if I actually am), but the Razer charger would be the only one I'd consider buying, especially given my environment (Apple devices have been very temperamental with sketchy chargers and cables), because I've used Razer products and am familiar with the brand and build quality.
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Yes it is QC4+ certified on Qualcomm's website. I don't know what to do...keep the Razer or try this TENKER that just arrived.
HTC/Ever Win/Razer
I just literally spent 2 hours on the phone with HTC who confirmed via voice and via online chat that YES the U12+ supports QC4+ however they do not make a charger as we are all well aware of. I the called The Ever Win company who is listed on Qualcomm's website as a certified manufacturer of a QC4+ wall and car charger and the response that I received is that they're not available on the market yet and are undergoing testing. Timetable until public purchase...none. To be quite honest, I am sick and tired of researching this I just want the dang thang to work and charge at QC4+ speeds. I even tried a 100 watt capable USB c to c using the Razer wall charger and nothing...no difference...so I'm stumped at this point because QC4+ runs on 27 watts. Oh, and I also tried that Tenker 60w brick of a charger and nothing. One final note is that I did ask HTC if they have some type of software installed on the U12+ that somehow blocks the QC4+ from working and was emphatically told no...of course I was also told not to use 3rd party accessories..lol. So I don't know what else to do at this point but to give up and wait for more products to hit the market that have the QC4+ stamp right on it like the Razer does...I'm just baffled as to why it won't work. ? I'm also pretty frigging annoyed/pissed at this point.
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I just literally spent 2 hours on the phone with HTC who confirmed via voice and via online chat that YES the U12+ supports QC4+ however they do not make a charger as we are all well aware of. I the called The Ever Win company who is listed on Qualcomm's website as a certified manufacturer of a QC4+ wall and car charger and the response that I received is that they're not available on the market yet and are undergoing testing. Timetable until public purchase...none. To be quite honest, I am sick and tired of researching this I just want the dang thang to work and charge at QC4+ speeds. I even tried a 100 watt capable USB c to c using the Razer wall charger and nothing...no difference...so I'm stumped at this point because QC4+ runs on 27 watts. Oh, and I also tried that Tenker 60w brick of a charger and nothing. One final note is that I did ask HTC if they have some type of software installed on the U12+ that somehow blocks the QC4+ from working and was emphatically told no...of course I was also told not to use 3rd party accessories..lol. So I don't know what else to do at this point but to give up and wait for more products to hit the market that have the QC4+ stamp right on it like the Razer does...I'm just baffled as to why it won't work. I'm also pretty frigging annoyed/pissed at this point.
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What are the QC4+ speeds supposed to be?
I've looked at Razor's page and it doesn't show anything in the description on the charger.
Amazon has it for sale, and it does have a description on there. This is what it in the description for the speed:
"Our 24 Watt charger with Qualcomm quick charge 4.0+ is designed for Ultra fast charging. Go from zero to fifty percent in just 40 minutes."
Is that inline for what speeds you are getting on the U12+?
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I just literally spent 2 hours on the phone with HTC who confirmed via voice and via online chat that YES the U12+ supports QC4+ however they do not make a charger as we are all well aware of. I the called The Ever Win company who is listed on Qualcomm's website as a certified manufacturer of a QC4+ wall and car charger and the response that I received is that they're not available on the market yet and are undergoing testing. Timetable until public purchase...none. To be quite honest, I am sick and tired of researching this I just want the dang thang to work and charge at QC4+ speeds. I even tried a 100 watt capable USB c to c using the Razer wall charger and nothing...no difference...so I'm stumped at this point because QC4+ runs on 27 watts. Oh, and I also tried that Tenker 60w brick of a charger and nothing. One final note is that I did ask HTC if they have some type of software installed on the U12+ that somehow blocks the QC4+ from working and was emphatically told no...of course I was also told not to use 3rd party accessories..lol. So I don't know what else to do at this point but to give up and wait for more products to hit the market that have the QC4+ stamp right on it like the Razer does...I'm just baffled as to why it won't work. I'm also pretty frigging annoyed/pissed at this point.
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This may sound silly, so forgive me. But have you tried the cable that Razer shipped as well?
Otherwise my only advice is to go the USB-PD route.
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I've been looking and looking for a good and not-too-expensive USB-C wall charger and I'm having trouble finding one. On Amazon there appears to be a $25 option that looks good but expensive (imho) and then there's a cheap ~$10 option that seems to have bad reviews.
I know there are a ton of USB-A -> USB-C cables & adapters but I also want some native USB-C options since it can power things 50% faster than what USB-A -> USB-C will do. I also know there are several decent-looking USB-C car chargers
Has anybody found any good USB-C wall chargers that aren't too expensive? Or are we stuck waiting for the likes of Anker, Choetech, and others to come out with some good options?
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Has anybody found any good USB-C wall chargers that aren't too expensive?
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You could just get another google one for 25
I am looking for cheap alternatives as well. I travel a lot and rather have a couple chargers for travelling. Re the suggestion of buying another one from google, I would prefer one with a longer cable. I see many 6.6 ft cables on amazon that would work great with a usb c power brick.
Links to the ones that you found?
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toyanucci said:
I am looking for cheap alternatives as well. I travel a lot and rather have a couple chargers for travelling. Re the suggestion of buying another one from google, I would prefer one with a longer cable. I see many 6.6 ft cables on amazon that would work great with a usb c power brick.
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most of those longer cables severely reduce the charge current. to the point some of these cables can not even charge the phone while it's in use.
i have no idea how the quick charge on 6p will work but based on what i'v read it is heavily dependent on the usb-c ability to carry higher current, so i would be very weary about longer cables.
if anyone out there lands a decent 6ft cable that can qc 6p at a good price. please be sure to report back. and no, i don't mean those cables listed at $20 a pop like the official google ones. i feel it's a rip off even at half of that price. LOL.
Don't get confused among the connector type, cable type and charging standards. There are still USB 2.0 and USB 3.0 cables. The 3.0 cables will carry higher speed data and higher power than USB 2.0 cables. They are also more expensive. The 6P is only USB 2.0 compliant. Type A, Type C and Micro B (USB3.0 ugly wide connector not used by any phone) connectors will all carry high power and higher speed data streams. The current micro B that is used in most phones will not.
That said, the 6P is Snapdragon 810 SOC that supports QuickCharge 2.0. The 820 will support 3.0. Quick Charge 2.0 supports voltages of 5V, 9V and 12V and typically will be 2A at 5 and 9V and 1.5A at 12V.
Bottom line a USB 2.0 cable with any end if fed the correct voltage/amps will be Quick Charge 2.0 compatible. Most Quick Charge 2.0 phones use USB2.0 Micro B.
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Don't get confused among the connector type, cable type and charging standards. There are still USB 2.0 and USB 3.0 cables. The 3.0 cables will carry higher speed data and higher power than USB 2.0 cables. They are also more expensive. The 6P is only USB 2.0 compliant. Type A, Type C and Micro B (USB3.0 ugly wide connector not used by any phone) connectors will all carry high power and higher speed data streams. The current micro B that is used in most phones will not.
That said, the 6P is Snapdragon 810 SOC that supports QuickCharge 2.0. The 820 will support 3.0. Quick Charge 2.0 supports voltages of 5V, 9V and 12V and typically will be 2A at 5 and 9V and 1.5A at 12V.
Bottom line a USB 2.0 cable with any end if fed the correct voltage/amps will be Quick Charge 2.0 compatible. Most Quick Charge 2.0 phones use USB2.0 Micro B.
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Why do you keep spreading false information? It's not the chipset that dictates the charging jts the lower control chip that's desperate. This needs to stop because this is the 3rd time you said its supported. Google clearly stated there will be no QC 2.0 support even if they have the right PCU (power control chip) it would be disabled by default like in the OP2 and require a dev to enable it. The 6P doesn't natively support QC 2.0 and might not even have the hardware to if you could bypass the software side.
I just checked out the Indian unboxings which are making their rounds. I'm happy to see a plain old usb brick separate from the cable. I know that's not how the USA will be but it means that those usb bricks should be readily available soon enough from other manufacturers as I really want a compatible 15w brick that I can use with a 6.6 ft usb c cable for more length.
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Why do you keep spreading false information? It's not the chipset that dictates the charging jts the lower control chip that's desperate. This needs to stop because this is the 3rd time you said its supported. Google clearly stated there will be no QC 2.0 support even if they have the right PCU (power control chip) it would be disabled by default like in the OP2 and require a dev to enable it. The 6P doesn't natively support QC 2.0 and might not even have the hardware to if you could bypass the software side.
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Exactly. I think that's the issue here.
To get true "quick charging" it has to be a 5V/3A usb-c charger.
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Why do you keep spreading false information? It's not the chipset that dictates the charging jts the lower control chip that's desperate. This needs to stop because this is the 3rd time you said its supported. Google clearly stated there will be no QC 2.0 support even if they have the right PCU (power control chip) it would be disabled by default like in the OP2 and require a dev to enable it. The 6P doesn't natively support QC 2.0 and might not even have the hardware to if you could bypass the software side.
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Pilz is correct. Regardless of chipset compatibility, they've skipped QC altogether as USB Type-C natively provides the power profiles needed to accomplish the same.
-ONLY- USB Type-C ports or chargers will power the correct pins/wires on a Type-C cable to fast charge the Nexus. Therefore, the best advice is to always buy a USB Type-C device for charging. Of course, check to ensure it outputs at least 5V @ 3A (15W).
As the Google sold Nexus power brick is out of stock, the one for the Pixel will work. It's overkill, actually, but will still work.
https://store.google.com/product/universal_type_c_60w_charger
Elnrik said:
Pilz is correct. Regardless of chipset compatibility, they've skipped QC altogether as USB Type-C natively provides the power profiles needed to accomplish the same.
-ONLY- USB Type-C ports or chargers will power the correct pins/wires on a Type-C cable to fast charge the Nexus. Therefore, the best advice is to always buy a USB Type-C device for charging. Of course, check to ensure it outputs at least 5V @ 3A (15W).
As the Google sold Nexus power brick is out of stock, the one for the Pixel will work. It's overkill, actually, but will still work.
https://store.google.com/product/universal_type_c_60w_charger
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I assume the dual-port will be available soon when the 6p launches.
The Apple usb-c is 2.4A peak so it doesn't work either.
Do you think Qualcom invented the idea of boosting voltage to supply more power more quickly? Did you know that almost every cell phone has an FM radio built in. It's on the chip. If it has a GPS radio you can bet it can do Frequency Modulation.
And the Snapdragon 810 is a System on a Chip! Look at the specs for it. It's all in there. Unlike the A9 from Apple. It's why a phone with the 810 will never be capable of doing QC 3.0! It's not in there.
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Pilz said:
Why do you keep spreading false information? It's not the chipset that dictates the charging jts the lower control chip that's desperate. This needs to stop because this is the 3rd time you said its supported. Google clearly stated there will be no QC 2.0 support even if they have the right PCU (power control chip) it would be disabled by default like in the OP2 and require a dev to enable it. The 6P doesn't natively support QC 2.0 and might not even have the hardware to if you could bypass the software side.
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Do you think Qualcom invented the idea of boosting voltage to supply more power more quickly? Did you know that almost every cell phone has an FM radio built in. It's on the chip. If it has a GPS radio you can bet it can do Frequency Modulation.
And the Snapdragon 810 is a System on a Chip! Look at the specs for it. It's all in there. Unlike the A9 from Apple. It's why a phone with the 810 will never be capable of doing QC 3.0! It's not in there.
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smh....
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Do you think Qualcom invented the idea of boosting voltage to supply more power more quickly? Did you know that almost every cell phone has an FM radio built in. It's on the chip. If it has a GPS radio you can bet it can do Frequency Modulation.
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I'm sorry, but how does that in any way relate to the topic?
I believe what you're failing to understand is that there is more than just the chipset or SOC that goes into charging the phone. The USB port itself has a controller which negotiates power profiles and communications across the port. This would/does completely bypasses the QC capabilities of the soc.
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Do you think Qualcom invented the idea of boosting voltage to supply more power more quickly? Did you know that almost every cell phone has an FM radio built in. It's on the chip. If it has a GPS radio you can bet it can do Frequency Modulation.
And the Snapdragon 810 is a System on a Chip! Look at the specs for it. It's all in there. Unlike the A9 from Apple. It's why a phone with the 810 will never be capable of doing QC 3.0! It's not in there.
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I stated this before and I'll state it again. We don't know what PCU the 6P or the 5X have so we won't know if the hardware support is even there. According to Google its not supported so I doubt I had the right PCU. Type-C fast charging doesn't ramp up voltage like QC does it ramps up the amperes at a constant voltage.
Read this article here and enjoy the satire in it as well (the purposely crossed through the quick charge at the time of publishing the article from what I recall) http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/0...ck-charging-or-wireless-charging-of-any-kind/
Also this is Qualcomms approved list of PCU chips that support it (see picture)
It states that QC is supported in the SD810 but ylh need to have the necessary power control chip as well to enable it.
I doubt Google would have the power chip and refuse to enable it like OP did with the OP2 due to licensing costs. Obviously Qualcomm didn't invent raising the voltage and since you are new here this isn't reddit we don't spread false nonsense for fun.
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I'm sorry, but how does that in any way relate to the topic?
I believe what you're failing to understand is that there is more than just the chipset or SOC that goes into charging the phone. The USB port itself has a controller which negotiates power profiles and communications across the port. This would/does completely bypasses the QC capabilities of the soc.
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I cited and article to support what you said and attached a screenshot too
Elnrik said:
I'm sorry, but how does that in any way relate to the topic?
I believe what you're failing to understand is that there is more than just the chipset or SOC that goes into charging the phone. The USB port itself has a controller which negotiates power profiles and communications across the port. This would/does completely bypasses the QC capabilities of the soc.
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We seem to be confusing the implementation of a technique with the technique itself. Yes, I know there are lots of controller chips within any device. And yes, a manufacturer can deactivate or more correctly not activate in the 1st place a features built in. To which the FM radio that is built in is not activated.
Bottomline is to try the native charger, a QC 2.0 charger and a basic 5V charger and compare the results. I will bet there will not be a significant statistical difference between the native charger and the QC 2.0 charger an both will outperform the straight 5V number. Time will tell.
FYI.. chat with support just now
Christie B 12:12 PM
Hi htowngator! Thanks for getting in touch with Google! My name is Christie. How are you today?
me 12:13 PM
Christie, I'm good thank you
I'm just wondering when I will be able to order chargers for my Nexus 6p... This shows "not available" but I was curious when I could order it? https://store.google.com/product/usb_c_dual_port_charger
Christie B 12:16 PM
No worries! Let me take a look into your question.
It looks like it will be available next Monday for purchase.
me 12:16 PM
thank you
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We seem to be confusing the implementation of a technique with the technique itself. Yes, I know there are lots of controller chips within any device. And yes, a manufacturer can deactivate or more correctly not activate in the 1st place a features built in. To which the FM radio that is built in is not activated.
Bottomline is to try the native charger, a QC 2.0 charger and a basic 5V charger and compare the results. I will bet there will not be a significant statistical difference between the native charger and the QC 2.0 charger an both will outperform the straight 5V number. Time will tell.
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So, when the phone can't negotiate a 5 volt 3 amp power connection with a QC charger, and defaults to 5 volt 550 mA USB 2.0 defaults, you are saying that there will be no noticeable charging differences between 15 watts and 2.75 watts?
I'm not trying to be a jerk, I just don't understand what you think you understand.
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I assume the dual-port will be available soon when the 6p launches.
The Apple usb-c is 2.4A peak so it doesn't work either.
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This one here will work! http://smile.amazon.com/Charger-Universal-Exchangeable-Included-Motorola/dp/B0122P71FC/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1444758012&sr=8-6&keywords=5V+3A+charger
I find it hilarious that anyone would think that a the connector on the end of the wire would have anything to do with the output of the power supply. You guys do know you can buy USB Type C to Micro USB adapters that go both ways. The only thing Type C brings to the table is it is reversible. The best part of Type C is that Apple is adopting it so we will have one standard all wired the same way. Only an idiot would wire a standard connector in a non standard way making their product incompatible with everything else. Micro USB-3 will carry just as much power and data just as fast, but it is really big and ugly!
Whether you use a 5V/3A charger or a QC 2.0 that will also output 5V/3A among it's 3 voltage settings is a mute point.
So i can confirm that the following combo works for rapid charging on this phone.
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my combo is my Macbook Pro Retina 13" from 2013 (i think). it has USB 3.0
Techmatte USB-C to USB-A, 5FT
http://smile.amazon.com/TechMatte®-...8&sr=8-1-spons&keywords=techmatte+usb+c&psc=1
the phone registers as rapid charging.
Check out the Ampere screenshot as well
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I haven't seen a laptop let alone a MB that supports 2-3A on a dedicated/non dedicated charging USB port. I could very well be wrong but we need a picture of the phone plugged into the laptop to prove that rather than a screenshot. I'm not saying you're not correct but we need better evidence to confirm it
I concur with his findings. I plugged an A to C cable I bought off amazon into my 2012 MBP and it registered as rapidly charging as well but I didn't test the speed in ampere as I figured it was wrong lol.
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toyanucci said:
I concur with his findings. I plugged an A to C cable I bought off amazon into my 2012 MBP and it registered as rapidly charging as well but I didn't test the speed in ampere as I figured it was wrong lol.
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I used to have a MB Pro as well (2011?) and it never fast charged my phone at the time. I have long since moved on to a PC (that was my only mac ever) and since I don't use it to charge my phone I couldn't tell you whether its just a MB thing.
Anything over 2000mA shows as rapidly charging. 2000mA is 2/3rd the charging rate of the oem type-c charger. Make of that what you will.
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I used to have a MB Pro as well (2011?) and it never fast charged my phone at the time. I have long since moved on to a PC (that was my only mac ever) and since I don't use it to charge my phone I couldn't tell you whether its just a MB thing.
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You're right. My MBP doesn't charge even my regular samsung devices fast so idk how the 6P shows rapid charge.
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You're right. My MBP doesn't charge even my regular samsung devices fast so idk how the 6P shows rapid charge.
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I thought I was crazy for a minute because I had a s3/Note 3 when I had my MB Pro and they never charged faster. I'm glad you can substantiate that since I no longer have a Samsung phone or MB.
Read all of the information written by Benson Leung and co. An improperly made A->C cable will register as rapid charging because the wrong resistors are in the cable and allows the device to try to pull more amperage from the USB port than USB Type A is meant to handle. You shouldn't try to do this, it's going to damage your USB ports on your devices, or make your chargers burn up.
USB Type A cannot rapid charge a Nexus 6P without it defying the specifications for USB Type A and potentially damaging your charging source. If you have a cable that does this, you should not do it.
Only rapid charging from C -> C cables is safe.
smeggysmeg said:
Read all of the information written by Benson Leung and co. An improperly made A->C cable will register as rapid charging because the wrong resistors are in the cable and allows the device to try to pull more amperage from the USB port than USB Type A is meant to handle. You shouldn't try to do this, it's going to damage your USB ports on your devices, or make your chargers burn up.
USB Type A cannot rapid charge a Nexus 6P without it defying the specifications for USB Type A and potentially damaging your charging source. If you have a cable that does this, you should not do it.
Only rapid charging from C -> C cables is safe.
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Read Leung's reviews again!
He is correct that the cables he is reviewing have the wrong pull-up resistor according to the specs.
However, any potential negative consequences (never confirmed in his tests, just a possibility) are confined to the Chromebook Pixel and what it might do in a situation faced with this cable. It tells us nothing about any other product.
He has recently dropped the scare tactics and now limits his remarks to the failure of the cable to charge the Pixel.
"Specifically, these adapters do not charge the Chromebook Pixel 2015 because the adapters leave the C-C lines floating, where the specification requires a Rp pullup to Vbus to identify the cable as a legacy adapter or cable."
You can safely get more than 2A to the 6P via a Type A to Type C connection. Therefore, you will be (in Google's estimation) "Charging Rapidly". It generally takes an out of spec cable and specific chargers. The easiest way is the Google Chargers that are Type C however. But there are no Type C 5V/3A car chargers available yet. The closest we have seen is the Tronsmart Car charger that has been shown to deliver 2.7A to the Nexus 6P, but will not charge a Chromebook Pixel 2015 because it does not have the correct pullup resistor.
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Read Leung's reviews again!
He is correct that the cables he is reviewing have the wrong pull-up resistor according to the specs.
However, any potential negative consequences (never confirmed in his tests, just a possibility) are confined to the Chromebook Pixel and what it might do in a situation faced with this cable. It tells us nothing about any other product.
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It absolutely is NOT confined to the Pixel. The video posted here proves it. Any device capable of pulling more current than the charger is rated to supply will pose this problem.
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He has recently dropped the scare tactics and now limits his remarks to the failure of the cable to charge the Pixel.
"Specifically, these adapters do not charge the Chromebook Pixel 2015 because the adapters leave the C-C lines floating, where the specification requires a Rp pullup to Vbus to identify the cable as a legacy adapter or cable."
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Scare tactics? He's informing consumers of an out of specification product which could be harmful. Including more information on the specifics of how he tested this isn't "dropping" a scare tactic.
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It generally takes an out of spec cable and specific chargers.
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Slightly misleading: Any charging current over (approx) 2.0A will show as rapidly charging, which can be accomplished with in-specification and out-of-specification cables.
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The closest we have seen is the Tronsmart Car charger that has been shown to deliver 2.7A to the Nexus 6P, but will not charge a Chromebook Pixel 2015 because it does not have the correct pullup resistor.
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Which demonstrates that the device is unsafe. It's rated for 2.4A, the Nexus 6p pulls 2.7A. The device is not not greatly exceeding it's own rated output, but it is still exceeding the rated output. The Pixel, being able to draw far more current, browned out the charger altogether.
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It absolutely is NOT confined to the Pixel. The video posted here proves it. Any device capable of pulling more current than the charger is rated to supply will pose this problem.
Scare tactics? He's informing consumers of an out of specification product which could be harmful. Including more information on the specifics of how he tested this isn't "dropping" a scare tactic.
Slightly misleading: Any charging current over (approx) 2.0A will show as rapidly charging, which can be accomplished with in-specification and out-of-specification cables.
Which demonstrates that the device is unsafe. It's rated for 2.4A, the Nexus 6p pulls 2.7A. The device is not not greatly exceeding it's own rated output, but it is still exceeding the rated output. The Pixel, being able to draw far more current, browned out the charger altogether.
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1. Considering that Leung's points are that the "out of spec" cable can lead to fires and won't charge a Pixel, if the video doesn't show a charger fire and it shows charging of other devices, then it is confined to the Pixel!
2. His real point is that a Pixel 2015 will not charge from a cable with the wrong pull-up resistor. He threw in the charger fire issue to get attention and it worked. That is all anyone discussed.
3. Yes, it can be achieved with in spec cables, but what we are really hoping for is greater than 2.4A from Type A to Type C chargers and cables and that should not happen with in spec cables.
4. It's called margin. Tronsmart has said that it is designed to output 2.7A so that within quality limits, no unit will output less than 2.4A. And that means some lucky guys will get the ones at the other end that will output more significantly more than 2.7A. It would only be unsafe if the overcurrent or over temperature protection circuits allow the device to run over capacity. The rating is the least it should do.
Rapid charging displayed on the phone does NOT indicate more than 2000ma charging. My video proves this, the phone shows "rapid charging" using the cable with the incorrect pull-up resistor even when it is hooked up to a charger that is putting out significantly less than 1 amp. The rapid charging message seems to indicate only that the phone *believes* it is hooked up to a 3-amp, type-C charger.
For the original poster, a 2013 Macbook Pro supposedly will output a regulated 900mah to non-apple devices and 1100mah to apple devices (ipad etc). If you are succesfully getting 2000+ma out of it I suspect that either you are somehow pushing the ports well beyond safe limits (which shouldn't be possible), or there is a measurement error using the "Ampere" software.
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But there are no Type C 5V/3A car chargers available yet.
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that's not true, the vinsic is rated 5w/3a and I can pull that either via the type a or c port. tested with ampere on both the 5x and 6p
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Rapid charging displayed on the phone does NOT indicate more than 2000ma charging. My video proves this, the phone shows "rapid charging" using the cable with the incorrect pull-up resistor even when it is hooked up to a charger that is putting out significantly less than 1 amp. The rapid charging message seems to indicate only that the phone *believes* it is hooked up to a 3-amp, type-C charger.
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That is extremely good information to have. It supports using some method of monitoring charging beyond the stock charging notifications.
kellybrf said:
that's not true, the vinsic is rated 5w/3a and I can pull that either via the type a or c port. tested with ampere on both the 5x and 6p
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Cool. That's the first I seen of a car charger that can output 3A. Seems this is badged under a number of different brands and other had reported those other brand can't get to 3A. I'm assuming you are talking about this Vinsic.
It is a shame it is not 5.4A so you could use both ports simultaneously and still get 3A out to the 6P. They will come...I hope!
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Rapid charging displayed on the phone does NOT indicate more than 2000ma charging. My video proves this, the phone shows "rapid charging" using the cable with the incorrect pull-up resistor even when it is hooked up to a charger that is putting out significantly less than 1 amp. The rapid charging message seems to indicate only that the phone *believes* it is hooked up to a 3-amp, type-C charger
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That matches my experience too. And considering there is no fast charging technology employed in the Nexus phones, it makes sense that it is based on what the phone thinks the charger supply.
Just like everyone else I've been searching for a good aftermarket charger for my phone. I purchased the Choetech rapid adapter along with the cable (sold separately) and it works beautifully.. The Nexus 6p shows rapid charging on the home screen and Ampere showed the same.
How does that compare to the OEM charger that came with the Nexus 6p? The OEM charger charged at 2920ma, while the Choetech adapter and cable charged at 2840ma. So as you can see it's right on par with the OEM charger.
Build Quality:
The build quality is exactly what you expect to received from Choetech. The body of the charger is similar to the OEM charger with smooth sides and flat top and bottom. There's branding on the the front as you see in the pictures, with specifications information next to the electrical prongs. As for the cable there's more Choetech branding on each end, but it's not intrusive and blends in with the cable. The cable material is thick which is a very good thing, as it should be able to provide adequate power and durability. I'm very happy with this cable and plan to buy another soon. Here's my setup and I did a quick video review as well. Be warned I've read reviews showing that some users received a 2.4v model only... If you watch my videos you will clearly see my charger says 3A/5V and it charges at that speed.
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The quality on this cable is durable. It does pull 3A, as described, without any issues. charged my phone from 17% to 100% in
1 hour 20 min. It charges just as fast as google's provided cable.
and for the USB type-A to type C cable is also reliable. Checkr app tested and confirmed it is safe for the 2.4A (slower)rapid
charging if the power adapter can support upto 2.4A.
I will recommend this to anyone who wants a spare cable for USB-C just like me. leave one at home, and take this with me
anywhere I go to charge the device.
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Is it just me or does that cable appear to struggle to charge as well as OEM? Your comparison graph shows the goggle cable working consistently better and the choetech cable never reaching the current the oem cable does.
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conceyted said:
Is it just me or does that cable appear to struggle to charge as well as OEM? Your comparison graph shows the goggle cable working consistently better and the choetech cable never reaching the current the oem cable does.
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Well, if you see the graph more closely my phone had less battery percentage for the Google's cable. I believe hungrier the battery, faster it takes. You will never see full capacity current draw at higher battery percentage.
I just bought this USB-C charger with CC cable.
It's on it's way...can't wait to test it.
You also need to make sure you order the updated version. The first version didn't comply with type c standards.
Might just go with the one on the Google website now, since it's only a few dollars more and it'll probably ship faster. Amazon says it'll arrive after Christmas now.
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You also need to make sure you order the updated version. The first version didn't comply with type c standards.
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What are you talking about? There's only one version. I was the first one on this forum to get it (as far as I know) and it works just like the Google charger.
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The quality on this cable is durable. It does pull 3A, as described, without any issues. charged my phone from 17% to 100% in
1 hour 20 min. It charges just as fast as google's provided cable.
and for the USB type-A to type C cable is also reliable. Checkr app tested and confirmed it is safe for the 2.4A (slower)rapid
charging if the power adapter can support upto 2.4A.
I will recommend this to anyone who wants a spare cable for USB-C just like me. leave one at home, and take this with me
anywhere I go to charge the device.
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So you're saying the cable for sure goes up to 2.4A? Your pictures aren't showing up - just wanted to make sure.
I asked about USB-A to C before and someone was very adamant in saying, "The USB standard for an in spec Type A to C cable will charge at 1.5A. "
What does Benson Leung say about this product?
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trama09 said:
So you're saying the cable for sure goes up to 2.4A? You're pictures aren't showing up - just wanted to make sure.
I asked about USB-A to C before and someone was very adamant in saying, "The USB standard for an in spec Type A to C cable will charge at 1.5A. "
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I don't have quick charger 2.0 brick or equivalent. The most I got is a Samsung brick that goes 2A at the most and I did get near that. When I get a hand on better adapter, I will test it out.
For 3A fast charging speeds, USB C Charger with CC cable is the only way
Well, I'm pretty sure that simply put, A to C reaches only 2.4A at maximum, no matter what wall charger you use. If you want full 3A fast charging speeds, C to C is the only way.
I purchased and tried their USB C wall charger with C to C cable. I wasn't disappointed. They are well built and work fine ... at almost the same fast speed as the OEM Charger.
Subiegsr said:
Might just go with the one on the Google website now, since it's only a few dollars more and it'll probably ship faster. Amazon says it'll arrive after Christmas now.
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I'm not a fan of the Google charger because it's hard wired. Wires tends to go bad before the block so its a cheaper fix than buying a whole new charger.
plokm said:
I'm not a fan of the Google charger because it's hard wired. Wires tends to go bad before the block so its a cheaper fix than buying a whole new charger.
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Ah didn't think about that. Good call!
plokm said:
I'm not a fan of the Google charger because it's hard wired. Wires tends to go bad before the block so its a cheaper fix than buying a whole new charger.
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Odd.. do you mean the model you've got has the cable connected to the charger (i.e not removable)? The international edition (H1512) I got in Hong Kong while travelling is detachable and is type C on either end. I didnt' realize there were variations with the included accessories.
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I'm not a fan of the Google charger because it's hard wired. Wires tends to go bad before the block so its a cheaper fix than buying a whole new charger.
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Agreed, wires do likely wear faster. But should you expect either to go bad in less than a couple of years if handled reasonably?
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Well, I'm pretty sure that simply put, A to C reaches only 2.4A at maximum, no matter what wall charger you use. If you want full 3A fast charging speeds, C to C is the only way.
I purchased and tried their USB C wall charger with C to C cable. I wasn't disappointed. They are well built and work fine ... at almost the same fast speed as the OEM Charger.
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Using a physical power meter I've verified that the Nexus 6P will only charge at 1.5A at 5V with standard 2A/2.4A chargers (I've tried 3-4 different USB A chargers). These are far more accurate than ampere as ampere measures net current, current in minus consumed current, not just the incoming current from the charger.
I'm not aware of a physical device that measures power through a type C cable other than the twinkie device that benson mentions and is several hundred dollars.
jpbl1976 said:
Odd.. do you mean the model you've got has the cable connected to the charger (i.e not removable)? The international edition (H1512) I got in Hong Kong while travelling is detachable and is type C on either end. I didnt' realize there were variations with the included accessories.
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I think he/she is referring to the extra one you buy from the accessories on the Google 6p site. The one included is a removable USB C-C cord.
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Agreed, wires do likely wear faster. But should you expect either to go bad in less than a couple of years if handled reasonably?
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Yes.....sooner or later you will probably have to replace both. I had good luck with all of my samsung charging blocks never had to replace any of them
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I think he/she is referring to the extra one you buy from the accessories on the Google 6p site. The one included is a removable USB C-C cord.
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Correct subiegsr I was talking about the Google store ones
ylexot said:
What are you talking about? There's only one version. I was the first one on this forum to get it (as far as I know) and it works just like the Google charger.
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If you read the Amazon comments so people where saying they received a different model than the one I've reviewed. As for fast charging with the Choetech after day 3 I still have no issues. It charges my phone from 1% to 100% in around 90 minutes.
USB Type-C is great, until you realize that you probably want more than one charger, then you realize that you'll be spending $25 and up. Or so I thought.
I don't like this Google USB Type-C charger which has a non-removable cable. I just really hate the idea of having to toss the power brick once the cable has a short in it.
I searched eBay for a Lumia 950/950 XL charger, a Nokia N1 charger, and the OEM 6P charger, hoping to save a few bucks, but I had no hits. People are clinging to their USB Type-C chargers evidently.
So, recalling that the 5X is also Type-C, I did a search for an OEM 5X charger and I stumbled onto this eBay listing. :laugh::good:
For $17.99, how could I not grab one? It's the only one that didn't have me envisioning my apartment and cat going up in flames. So, I had no way to tell if it was indeed real, because I've never seen a 5X in person. When I opened the package, the cable just felt so cheap, the sheathing is thin and kinda satin-like. The best way I could think to verify if it's legit was Youtube unboxing vids, so I watched this video on Youtube and the dude holds up the cable and charger to the camera, like really close, and it matches what I have exactly! Yes, down to the little holes in the plastic on the USB connectors.
I have no doubt that it's real. It also does rapid charging (5V with 3 AMP output + "Charging Rapidly" is displayed on the phone)
I just thought I'd share this little gem with you guys. =) Oh, I ordered on the 4th and it arrived today, on the 11th, and had tracking too. Just thought I'd toss that out there!
If I remember right, cables that aren't spec'ed properly will still display "Charging Rapidly". Have you checked using Ampere?
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If I remember right, cables that aren't spec'ed properly will still display "Charging Rapidly". Have you checked using Ampere?
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My PC is not equipped with a USB Type-C port to test with that app, but here's this: The OnePlus cable always caused my phone to display "Charging Rapidly" on the lock screen, but never provided a time until the charge would be complete. This 5X charger however displays "Charging rapidly (12 minutes until full)" once the phone has time to calculate it. Well, 12, 36, etc. :good:
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If I remember right, cables that aren't spec'ed properly will still display "Charging Rapidly". Have you checked using Ampere?
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I will try that app real quick.
EDIT: 1420mA max on my 6P stock charger and 1400mA max on the 5X charger. Given that my battery is 92% full, I think it's fair to say it's legit.
I had a Nexus 5X and that charger/packaging look identical to the one that's included in the box. Now, this doesn't mean it's legitimate, but it's a good sign.
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If I remember right, cables that aren't spec'ed properly will still display "Charging Rapidly". Have you checked using Ampere?
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Ampere isn't even remotely accurate
Here's a screenshot. Using the 5X charger and cable.
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You need to run ampere when the battery is less than 10% to really see what the charger can do. As the battery charges, the current is reduced. Therefore this 1.4A may still be ok. Try it at 10% and report back to see how close to 3000ma you get.
I was under the impression that Ampere results were skewed by the amount of current being used by the phone while the charging was taking place.
This is a good idea though, sourcing the chargers for other phones as USB Type-C becomes more prevalent. Personally, I think I can get by with 2.4A chargers/micro-usb adapters and use the OEM charger at home if I need a quick charge before I go out for an evening.
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I was under the impression that Ampere results were skewed by the amount of current being used by the phone while the charging was taking place.
This is a good idea though, sourcing the chargers for other phones as USB Type-C becomes more prevalent. Personally, I think I can get by with 2.4A chargers/micro-usb adapters and use the OEM charger at home if I need a quick charge before I go out for an evening.
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It won't charge over 1.5A using an proper C adapter or A-C cable. A 2.4A charger would be pointless unless its just something you have laying around.
I also mentioned earlier that Ampere isn't accurate but there are no C-C multimeter's that I've seen so far
Well, the phone is giving an ETA to full charge, something it never did with the OnePlus cables. I think that, coupled with that packaging and likeness, says that these are legit. It's only $18, so if anyone would like to take testing any further, go for it. I'm convinced it's legit - Ampere gives the same readings with the stock charger, and even if the app isn't the greatest metric, that's a good sign. =)
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Well, the phone is giving an ETA to full charge, something it never did with the OnePlus cables. I think that, coupled with that packaging and likeness, says that these are legit. It's only $18, so if anyone would like to take testing any further, go for it. I'm convinced it's legit - Ampere gives the same readings with the stock charger, and even if the app isn't the greatest metric, that's a good sign. =)
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The one plus cables are dangerous to use and do not meet the USB specification. There's no way to really know if the charger is an OEM item unless you have a 5X charger to compare it to.
You bought a $500+ phone and you are worried about "saving" $8 by buying an unknown charger from eBay?
I just bought the cable from Google as if something were to happen with my phone as a result of the Google cable, it's going to be a lot easier to get a fix for the cable and/or the phone with Google than trying to tell Google I used a cable I thought was good that I bought from eBay.
radeon962 said:
You bought a $500+ phone and you are worried about "saving" $8 by buying an unknown charger from eBay?
I just bought the cable from Google as if something were to happen with my phone as a result of the Google cable, it's going to be a lot easier to get a fix for the cable and/or the phone with Google than trying to tell Google I used a cable I thought was good that I bought from eBay.
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As I said in the first post, I don't want a charger with a fixed cable - soon as the cable takes a crap, the whole thing is just garbage. I have never been a fan on fixed cable solutions. And what does it matter that I bought a $649 phone? No one should want to spend $40 on a charger with a removable cable from Google. If I wanted to drop that much money to charge my pricy device, I would have bought one of those new Macbooks.
The point of the post was just to give other people a heads up that I found a good deal on an OEM charger, not to argue with people about it or be called a tightwad. I can afford a $40 charger, but no, I won't buy one.
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As I said in the first post, I don't want a charger with a fixed cable - soon as the cable takes a crap, the whole thing is just garbage. I have never been a fan on fixed cable solutions. And what does it matter that I bought a $649 phone? No one should want to spend $40 on a charger with a removable cable from Google. If I wanted to drop that much money to charge my pricy device, I would have bought one of those new Macbooks.
The point of the post was just to give other people a heads up that I found a good deal on an OEM charger, not to argue with people about it or be called a tightwad. I can afford a $40 charger, but no, I won't buy one.
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How is the genuine 5x charger on the 6p? Does it rapid charge like the original 6p charger? thanks
jordy787 said:
How is the genuine 5x charger on the 6p? Does it rapid charge like the original 6p charger? thanks
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Yes I used to have a 5X along with my 6P and the OEM LG one does rapid change the 6P.
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As I said in the first post, I don't want a charger with a fixed cable - soon as the cable takes a crap, the whole thing is just garbage. I have never been a fan on fixed cable solutions. And what does it matter that I bought a $649 phone? No one should want to spend $40 on a charger with a removable cable from Google. If I wanted to drop that much money to charge my pricy device, I would have bought one of those new Macbooks.
The point of the post was just to give other people a heads up that I found a good deal on an OEM charger, not to argue with people about it or be called a tightwad. I can afford a $40 charger, but no, I won't buy one.
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I wouldn't touch that eBay crap with a 10 foot pole. My phone is $600. I am not about to put it or any other piece of electronics in my house in danger because I wanted to skimp on chargers.
There are many charging blocks and Type C cables that are Benson verified and really cheap on Amazon. I'm not calling you a tightwad (although even then, spending ~$20 on Amazon would net you a proper charger that would for sure be Benson approved and non-captive, which is what you want). I think you're a fool to be blindly recommending Type C chargers without actually knowing if they are legitimate or not. Fake devices are notorious on eBay for looking visually identical to their real counterparts. Seriously? Comparing to what you saw in a YouTube video?
You may be fine taking the risk. But don't sit there getting all self-righteous because people are rightly skeptical of some no name eBay listing, especially when your only proof is an Ampere screenshot that tells us nothing and your own interpretation of the "Charging rapidly" text on your lockscreen.
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I wouldn't touch that eBay crap with a 10 foot pole. My phone is $600. I am not about to put it or any other piece of electronics in my house in danger because I wanted to skimp on chargers.
There are many charging blocks and Type C cables that are Benson verified and really cheap on Amazon. I'm not calling you a tightwad (although even then, spending ~$20 on Amazon would net you a proper charger that would for sure be Benson approved and non-captive, which is what you want). I think you're a fool to be blindly recommending Type C chargers without actually knowing if they are legitimate or not. Fake devices are notorious on eBay for looking visually identical to their real counterparts. Seriously? Comparing to what you saw in a YouTube video?
You may be fine taking the risk. But don't sit there getting all self-righteous because people are rightly skeptical of some no name eBay listing, especially when your only proof is an Ampere screenshot that tells us nothing and your own interpretation of the "Charging rapidly" text on your lockscreen.
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There is nothing wrong with looking for a deal.
That's why your phone was $600 while other might have got it for 550 with no tax and free shipping.
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SONEic - USB Type-C (USB-C) Rapid Wall Charger & USB Type-C to Type-C Cable, 15 Watt/3.0 Amp (3A) for Nexus 5X/6P, Lumia 950/XL, LG G5 and All Other USB Type-C Devices - Black (Charger+Cable Included) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B017BVLLC6/ref=cm_sw_r_other_awd_yTOZwbPJ7WSKR
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Yeah, I bought one of these and the charger and cable looks just like OE from Google except it is labeled "SONEic" on top of the charger. The cable looks, feels, and in conjuntion with the charger functions exactly as the Google charger that came in the box. Worth it to pick up a couple of these if your obsessed with chargers like I am.
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Yeah, I bought one of these and the charger and cable looks just like OE from Google except it is labeled "SONEic" on top of the charger. The cable looks, feels, and in conjuntion with the charger functions exactly as the Google charger that came in the box. Worth it to pick up a couple of these if your obsessed with chargers like I am.
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gonna have to snag one or two:good:
I'd like to start a thread to see what users are getting for wireless charging speeds.
Here are my results:
Charger used: iOttie iON Wireless Mini Fast Charging Pad (10W)
I tried charging while using my Pixel 3 XL naked, and with a Moment Photo Case. The case didn't seem to affect the charging speed and averages stayed around 400mA.
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I did several Tests using the iOttie Pad and the Google Stand chargers.
I tested: Buck Naked, Moments thin Lens case, and jumbo thick Otterbox Defender.
All tests were done with Pixel 3XL at around 60% charge
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Google Stand:
Google Pad Buck Naked
Google Pad Moments thin case
Google Pad Otterbox defender (prolly the thickest case around)
iOtiie Pad:
Buck Naked
iOttie Moments thin case
iOttie Thick OtterBox Defender
What app are you using to test the charging speeds?
Since @leebsammy and I bought the same Moments Cases I gots to show off the Macro Lens too
An old Pentium 4 CPU
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Macro Lens, no Zoom
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Macro Lens, Max zoom
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I haven't had time to play with the Tele Lens much yet
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What app are you using to test the charging speeds?
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We both were using Ampere by Braintrapp
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gombosdev.ampere&hl=en_US
https://www.androidpolice.com/2018/...g-rate-standard-5w-third-party-charging-pads/
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help xda, tweak around this !
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https://www.androidpolice.com/2018/...g-rate-standard-5w-third-party-charging-pads/
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help xda, tweak around this !
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ARE YOU KIDDING!?!? Even apple hasn't done something this absurd... What's next, only quick charge via cable through Google's official charger. This is really disappointing to find out, and very shady considering when you use a wireless charger capable of quick charge the phone will still read out "charging rapidly"
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ARE YOU KIDDING!?!? Even apple hasn't done something this absurd... What's next, only quick charge via cable through Google's official charger. This is really disappointing to find out, and very shady considering when you use a wireless charger capable of quick charge the phone will still read out "charging rapidly"
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I agree, this is unacceptable. When I ordered this phone I was sure I'd keep it but I'm not so sure now. Too many issues for a flagship phone. I may return this and wait for either the issues to be resolved or something better to come along. Back to my Moto X Pure old reliable backup.
Hopefully google will see sense and enable 10w wireless charging for 3rd party chargers as there is no way I am paying £69 for their official one.
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I agree, this is unacceptable. When I ordered this phone I was sure I'd keep it but I'm not so sure now. Too many issues for a flagship phone. I may return this and wait for either the issues to be resolved or something better to come along. Back to my Moto X Pure old reliable backup.
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Me and you both. I almost returned it the other day for other reasons. But now I see that Google screwing with the wireless charging! Come on Google! Now I'm definitely considering returning this phone.
i have the Samsung Qi Certified Fast Charge Wireless Charging Convertible Stand/Pad and I can confirm I'm getting around 500 mAh.
i'm hoping it's just modifying pixel stand apk to disabling the "handshake" connection protocol
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https://www.androidpolice.com/2018/...g-rate-standard-5w-third-party-charging-pads/
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ARE YOU KIDDING!?!? Even apple hasn't done something this absurd... What's next, only quick charge via cable through Google's official charger. This is really disappointing to find out, and very shady considering when you use a wireless charger capable of quick charge the phone will still read out "charging rapidly"
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daleski75 said:
Hopefully google will see sense and enable 10w wireless charging for 3rd party chargers as there is no way I am paying £69 for their official one.
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Me and you both. I almost returned it the other day for other reasons. But now I see that Google screwing with the wireless charging! Come on Google! Now I'm definitely considering returning this phone.
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This is shady af, but explains why i was getting such slow charging speeds.. Can this be fixed via root?
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This is shady af, but explains why i was getting such slow charging speeds.. Can this be fixed via root?
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I’m done with the Pixel 3. It’s all packed up and waiting on FedEx to come pick it up. Good luck to everyone.
This is being portrayed incorrectly. Someone in the reddit thread on this did some research on this, and it turns out Samsung is using a nonstandard protocol which the third party market adopted. This does not seem to be a case of Google locking out third party chargers with software. So, we just need to wait for third parties to adopt Google's standard (belkin already has), which nonetheless is disappointing.
Before everyone gets all up in arms, Google is NOT limiting 3rd-party chargers that would otherwise support fast-charging the Pixel 3. There is a Belkin wireless charger that supports 10w on Pixel, so clearly 3rd-party fast charging of Pixel 3 is "allowed."
The actual reason that 3rd-party Qi fast chargers are limited to 5w is because the Pixel 3 does not use the Qi fast charging standard; they use the earlier 5W Qi spec and a proprietary fast charge method. So, when using a Qi charger, you are limited by the hardware to 5w.
Samsung also uses a proprietary fast charging standard, it's just that because of Samsung's market share, most 3rd-party fast wireless chargers support it.
So, it's not that Google is artificially limiting 3rd-party chargers, it's just that most 3rd-party charging hardware doesn't support the Pixel 3's proprietary fast charging yet.
This isn't quite correct, Everyone but Oppo and it's related products are using the Qualcomm standard which they license without charge. Samsung had modified this somewhat but it still works generically across devices and chargers. For an example my Note 8 would quick charge with any charger in the house, wired and wireless. I could also throw another non Samsung phone on my Samsung charger and that phone would charge wirelessly. Goog is also using the Qualcomm standard which it has modified but not in a consider forward way. I'm pretty POed about this, I've got all the chargers I need and it's almost criminally wasteful to have to buy more.
I was already seriously on the fence with this device, I'm going to see what Oneplus brings and make up my mind after.
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Before everyone gets all up in arms, Google is NOT limiting 3rd-party chargers that would otherwise support fast-charging the Pixel 3. There is a Belkin wireless charger that supports 10w on Pixel, so clearly 3rd-party fast charging of Pixel 3 is "allowed."
The actual reason that 3rd-party Qi fast chargers are limited to 5w is because the Pixel 3 does not use the Qi fast charging standard; they use the earlier 5W Qi spec and a proprietary fast charge method. So, when using a Qi charger, you are limited by the hardware to 5w.
Samsung also uses a proprietary fast charging standard, it's just that because of Samsung's market share, most 3rd-party fast wireless chargers support it.
So, it's not that Google is artificially limiting 3rd-party chargers, it's just that most 3rd-party charging hardware doesn't support the Pixel 3's proprietary fast charging yet.
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Sanity reigns supreme. Thank you for a truly measured response. Sending a device back because it will only charge at 5W vs. 10 with a generic charger? Really? How about giving it a month or so for the companies to catch up to the new standard? I can understand why they might do this initially. I think a little outrage on XDA and Android Police would be peanuts compared to 50 devices exploding on a night stand because of overheating and poor charging specifications. Personally I don't think I'd ever use wireless charging and certainly not for $79 bucks, but that could change if I find a use for it. I have so many USB C chargers and cables it would be a waste of money for me.
As for Apple not even doing something like this.. come on. Think chargers, plugs, no headphone jacks (we copied that one). I'm sure you could come up with a few more.
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Sanity reigns supreme. Thank you for a truly measured response. Sending a device back because it will only charge at 5W vs. 10 with a generic charger? Really? How about giving it a month or so for the companies to catch up to the new standard? I can understand why they might do this initially. I think a little outrage on XDA and Android Police would be peanuts compared to 50 devices exploding on a night stand because of overheating and poor charging specifications. Personally I don't think I'd ever use wireless charging and certainly not for $79 bucks, but that could change if I find a use for it. I have so many USB C chargers and cables it would be a waste of money for me.
As for Apple not even doing something like this.. come on. Think chargers, plugs, no headphone jacks (we copied that one). I'm sure you could come up with a few more.
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I personally didn’t send the device back for this reason alone. I was also disappointed with the speakers and the black crush/clipping in darker videos. The slow wireless charging was the 3rd strike.
Edit...For anyone interested, Android Police has updated their article on this subject. You should have a look
google has already replied to this topic and said that 3rd party chargers are going to adopt the pixel way of charging with the handshake that the pixel stand does. they are not limiting, they are just waiting for the other chargers to catch up.
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now back on topic, google has already replied to this topic and said that 3rd party chargers are going to adopt the pixel way of charging with the handshake that the pixel stand does. they are not limiting, they are just waiting for the other chargers to catch up.
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This is not a solution. There is already a standard for Qi charging and many people have already purchased numerous chargers that SHOULD be able to fast charge their device. If Google is waiting for other manufacturers to "catch up" then it is basically waiting for them to solve a problem that Google created. That doesn't change the fact that the practice is rather consumer hostile and hard to justify without going so deep into fanboy territory that even the Apple fans would tell you it's too far.
I sincerely hope that they reverse course on this decision or at least explain the technical reason as to why such a "handshake" is required for fast charging, but only on Pixel devices. I can understand the handshake requirement to activate the additional functionality that the Pixel Stand offers, but preventing adequate charge speeds just because they can is a different story.
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