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DO NOT trust Paypal, read my experience

I decided to write this review to warn others from dealing with paypal, they have charged me before completing the registration process, and after charging me they have asked for me to fax them extra documents that I don't have, I told them that I don't have that documents, and I asked them to find an alternative way, they replied stupidly asking the same question, I called them and wasted my money on international calls, every one of their rude employees gave me different answers. at the end I asked them to close my account, they refused, they said that the cannot close the account neither they can activate it if I don't send them the faxed papers. Simply they are either stupid or they were stealing me. I still couldn’t get my money back, but I had to cancel my credit card because they had a continuous access on it, and that cost me allot also. There should be a law to watch such companies...
You watch your money, and don't trust those companies that call themselves as a company for your own security; it is a company that will have a full access to your credit card... I lost much with my registration trial with Paypal (www.paypal.com) be careful from this company.

Not my experience. I had to fax them papers on my credit card, if I remember correctly. But that wasn't a problem after that. I think it was a bank statement. I use PayPal almost every week to buy from eBay.

perhaps its because you live in what is considered quite a dodgy country by many others?
all ive had to do with paypal, and ive been using them for years, is enter my card and bank details online, they performed a chargeback on my account of $1 and i had to enter the reference that showed on my bank statement

Paypal has always worked very well for me. From what I remember, I gave them my bank account information and then they made three small deposits. To verify, I had to let them know the amounts of those three deposits. Now, 100's of transactions later, I am a veteran and still highly satisfied. Sorry you had an unfavorable experience.

Ok... Maybe you had some good experience there, but I advice you all to have a look on this site (www.nopaypal.com) and also you may search Google for other peoples reviews on this issue... in the site I gave here, you will find too many stories that are simillar to mine..
they also say that with paypal things goes fine until you face a small silly problem, then you start to suffer, one of them says, that he sold an item for a specific amount of money and after he recieved the payment to paypal they have limited his account and he cannot get him money from them until now !!
read and see how they deal with people,
if you think that they read those fax papers then you are mistaken, someone says that he faked the papers and faxed them and things went fine, where is the security in that? you can steal a card number and fake the fax paper, the more secure way was the $1.95 decuction and verifying it by the 4 pin number, I did that but they didn't satisfy with it, they are like machines, they Don't have minds to use and think, when I be honest with them and tell them that I don't have such a paper, they reply saying: "we are still waiting for the fax" like robots....
the main problem there is that they are not trained to handle problems, when you have a problem then you are stuck there....
one more important issue that i have mentioned: how come they have charged me before verifying my card, they claim that they limited my account because they cannot verify my account, then what if I stole that card, why did they charge the real owner then? they should have asked for all of the papers they needed then they could start charging, that is really silly, common people search google and have a look on www.nopaypal.com, there are books talking about paypal's cheating, you can read everyday a new story there... if you had a good experience with them then this is not meaning that they are good, it is just you are lucky that you didn't face any problem yet!

Okay, let's get real here.
What documents would they ask for that a card owner wouldn't have? Why don't you have the documents?
The domain name, NoPaypal.com, was registered back in 2001 in order to drum up support for a class action lawsuit. Yep, that person had a bad experience when Paypal was new. The "Bash Paypal Bandwagon" was in full force several years ago. You are a little late.
If I stopped using every service/vendor that someone had a bad experience with, I'd have to stop using everything.
If I go to a restaurant that sucks, I don't go back. Don't run around like chicken little yelling "the sky is falling".

they wanted either a water bill or electricity bill in my name, well my card is not issued from the same country that I am currently living in, I was living there once, but even at that time I was renting a home so the bills were not in my name, and I have no other document to send them in my name, so this is realistic, if you don't like to believe that they are theievs then you are free, keep dealing with them , everyone is free in this life, I just liked to warn the other people and give an advice, so take my advice or leave it, but don't regret later!!

EMU said:
they wanted either a water bill or electricity bill in my name, well my card is not issued from the same country that I am currently living in, I was living there once, but even at that time I was renting a home so the bills were not in my name, and I have no other document to send them in my name
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so you have a bank in a country were you dont live, no way you can confirm your current and previous addresses and you are complaining that paypal wont deal with you!!!!!
good! im glad paypal wont deal with you, if you were to rip me off, what could i do about it? i couldnt find out where you live or where you bank.
wake up, smell the coffee, get yourself a bank and a real address that you own and pay your way in, then maybe, just maybe youll have some financial credibility
jeesh!
dont tell me... you are nigerian and you have $1 200 419 that you need to invest, but your governmnt charges too much tax.........................
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you people thing yourself something?? huh..
work your mind a little bit, I dont have to give you all the details, dump yourself and deal whoever you like to, I just wrote my experience, and as I said before you are free to get the advice or leave it,
are you working for paypal guys? you appear to be from UK? by the way I am not nigerean and I do not care about you or the companies in your country, if you want to realy talk about ropping people, then read carefully my story and see how paypal took the money before even getting the fax, then what if really I was ropping someone's card? why did they charge him before getting sure? I was ropped by paypal and didn't get my money back yet.... maybe you cannot think wide.. it is your problem, that is why in your country we always hear such stories, but thanks God we don't have much like those stories from local companies, you even didn't use your mind to look at the flag near my name and your wide imagination lead you to nigeria, cool
for your information, my bank is now handling the case with this stupid paypal company, I respect my bank and I am very happy of their fast reaction against what paypal did, I wont be posting any further details about this topic in this forum cuz it looks like the people here are to fight not to get advices and advice others, you could have read it and either propose me a solution for my problem like someone who did in other forum, or you could just close that page, but you prefer to defend paypal, they probably from your way of defending, you are one of them !
Good luck for the good people..

the reference to nigeria was a joke, the clue was in the monetary amount, for someone so concerned about scams, im surprised youve never heard of the "nigerian 419" scam
google it
btw, i know what country your flag is from, i said as much in my first reply when i politely commented on the fact that many businesses in the world may not trust doing business with people from that country, hence the requests for additional verification of who you are.
the fact that you bank in another country and have no id relating to where you live really makes it of no surprise that they dont want to deal with you.
they charged US$1.95....... not exactly fraud of the century is it?

after sending one item paypal says..international shipment
We are sorry for the delay in transferring the money that was paid by Katrina Baral into your PayPal account. We hereby inform you that the money that we are ordered to transfer into your PayPal account (€180.00 EUR) is too Small for us to transfer into your PayPal account due to International Transfer Limit from our PayPal Transfer Department Unit and the new Policy of our PayPal. So the real amount that can reach your account from our PayPal Transfer Desk start from €400.00 EUR upward. we contacted Katrina Baral about this situation to make an additional payment of €220.00 EUR into your PayPal account.
We are happy to tell you that Katrina Baral have made an additional payment of €220.00 EUR into your PayPal account which is already deducted from the buyer account. It's already confirmed and approved by us which means the total amount of €400.00 EUR is approved and it is ready to be credited into your PayPal account TODAY. So we think we can sort the problem out by you sending the Excess Fund. Katrina Baral ask us to tell you to help him send the excess fund of €200.00 EUR to his daughter and use the extra €20.00 EUR for the western union charges and for your transportation.
You are advised now to go to any western union Outlet/Office and send the excess fund of €200.00 EUR to his daughter and get back to us with the western union details so we can verify and get your account credited without any further delay.

Help! i just purchased IM+ and i didn't receive anything

I've been using the IM+ trial for a few days. I liked it so i decided to buy it tonight. I went to the shapeservices page. Then to the im+ link. Then to purchase and buy. I chose the option to pay via paypal. all it said after payment was "thank you for buying our product." it didn't give me a registration code, or a download or anything. It didn't even ask me for my email address. What the hell is going on? i sent them an email but they haven't responded yet. Has anyoen purchased v 4.22 and have any tips for anythign i might have missed. thank you.
dan

k2snowboards88 said:
I've been using the IM+ trial for a few days. I liked it so i decided to buy it tonight. I went to the shapeservices page. Then to the im+ link. Then to purchase and buy. I chose the option to pay via paypal. all it said after payment was "thank you for buying our product." it didn't give me a registration code, or a download or anything. It didn't even ask me for my email address. What the hell is going on? i sent them an email but they haven't responded yet. Has anyoen purchased v 4.22 and have any tips for anythign i might have missed. thank you.
dan
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It maybe that the Trail does not expire and you already had the 'full' version.

thanks for the idea. unfortunately thats not it. Its not "beggerware." it only lets me do 12 messages per sign in. and then it tells me i cant send anymore because its a trial version

I would assume if you paid by PayPal they already have your email, and to prevent fraud, will validate PayPal transactions *before* giving you a code or full version.
Also, not everyone uses a 24/7 e-payment system that sends codes instantly, there are many small companies and independant developers that process these manually themselves each day, so there could just be a delay.
Try emailing them quoting the email address your PayPal account is registered too.

Never buy anything from http://www.tigaduacellular.com check this out!

The wiki list of prices showed this shop to be the cheapest one! http://www.tigaduacellular.com
I tried to order from them, please see what happened! DO NOT BUY ANYTHING FROM THEM! PLEASE!
Here we go, the e-mail conversation with their sales department:
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Please Confirm Your Tiga Dua Cellular: Order #
to me
Hello XXX,
Thank you for your order. We have the phone you order in stock.
We have the EU and Asia version available.
We will dispatch your order after we have verified your payment. Please
confirm if you want to cancel this order or want to continue this order.
So we can provide you with our payment information.
If you have any questions regarding your order, don't be hesitate to contact
us.
Best Regards,
Mr. XXX
http://www.tigaduacellular.com
Email: [email protected]
Phone:
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Me to the shop
Hello,
Thanks for your extremely fast reply! I would like to purchase the EU version of the phone. So please continue with the Touch Pro EU version order.
Sincerely Yours,
XXX
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Me to the shop again
Hi,
I'm wondering if you have noted my message that i would like to continue with the purchase of the Touch Pro EU version as noted below. Now I find myself missing the payment information, which I am waiting from you to send me. The first contact from you was extremely fasy, which I'm thankful for, but approximately how long it can take to tell me how to pay?
The thing that you don't have option to pay via Credit card is already quite annoying, but even more annoying is to wait for the bank transfer payment information. Nothing personal, I'm just used to that shops would be more eager to get the money from the customers.
Sincerely yours,
XXX
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to me
Actually, we have send the payment information to you, the day you reply the
email.
We don't know if you already received it or not.
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Me to the shop
Hello,
Alright, I see! So the payment information is not sent via e-mail but by post. I am honestly sorry for my misunderstanding. I was assuming to get it to my e-mail. Thanks for the info. I'll be looking forward getting that information. Again sorry for my bad behaviour. all the best!
Regards,
XXX
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to me
Of course we have sent the information via e-mail.
Well I guess you're not serious buyer anyway.
Hope you will get your "FREE PHONE" with other website.
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Me to the shop
Hi,
I would really like to buy the phone, but have not received any confirmation? I double checked my spam folder also, nothing in there! I am really serious, as soon as you can provide me with the payment information i would like to purchase the phone.
Because i tried to be the nicest possible to you, i will take all the e-mails, collect a nice package of them and get in contact with your superior. This is not customer service.
You will hear from me, Mr. XXX. Too bad that you werent able to do your job. I will make sure no one will ever buy from your shop again if this harm done by you is not corrected.
Think twice before you fool around like that, WHAT MAKES YOU THINK I WASNT A SERIOUS BUYER?
Sincerely,
XXX
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Me to the shop
PS. this information, and all the emails we have been sending to each other will soon be found from all the biggest mobile phone forums, where your customers are also coming.
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to me
Oh yes.
And you're just a customers who don't pay but want mobile phones.
Or maybe you're just another Nigerian buyer.
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Me to the shop
Excuse me!
I was ASKING YOU to send me the PAYMENT INFORMATION! BECAUSE YOU FAILED TO DO SO IN THE FIRST PLACE!
All this will be reported to your superior. Thanks.
Regards,
XXX

DAMN!!!!! what the hell....
Unbelievable!!!!
Thnx 4 sharing dude!

I was gona buy from them but when a seen they only do "Bank To Bank Transfers" a shat out of it. Don't see why any site wouldn't do paypal.

adamdon89 said:
I was gona buy from them but when a seen they only do "Bank To Bank Transfers" a shat out of it. Don't see why any site wouldn't do paypal.
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I'm glad i never got those payment instructions. who knows where my money could be right now!
And also remember, when ordering from them, you will probably have to pay the toll and VAT at your home country, so it really isn't even that cheap.

OMG
What a clueless webshop contact.
I think you should inform the owner of the shop so you can get this guy fired!
thanks for sharing

Amazing.......
You should copy the web-link from here and send them an email with the details of this post..... not good at all? and "who" pays "bank to bank" only these days - very strange indeed?
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WizzarD-me said:
What a clueless webshop contact.
I think you should inform the owner of the shop so you can get this guy fired!
thanks for sharing
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I thought to do so, but after doing whois pings on the domain, found out that the website is registered to a person with a same surname than the person answering my e-mail. Family biz.. They can go to hell with their stupid shop, just ordered from expansys.

Sounds very dodgie.... Thanks for sharing....
I bought from highstreet "Kamla" in London on Tottenham Court Road... UK version for £499.
A bit more expensive but from my past experience with HTC P3600 which was quite unstable initially, I thought it's better to buy from a shop where I can go back to if anything goes wrong.

I tell you...that is nuts. I had an issue with the first Touch Pro I ordered. Thank goodness I did it on E-Bay. Paypal refunded my money after my dispute, found another seller, and bought two of them with next day air delivery. Though I had one seller try to mess around with me, money was safe, and still had my Touch Pro within a week of the UK's launch.
Good luck with your next seller.

if it wasn't blindingly obvious to you already:
DON'T PAY BY BANK TRANSFER OR WESTERN UNION.
A merchant who doesn't take cards is generally always a scammer; bank transfers/WU are irreversible, this is precisely why they're required by scammers.
If you want to buy a device, buy it on a card; the price is cheaper than average for a good reason, use your noodle.

stay away from fastgsm.com

I paid my $20 via paypal. Their automated system happily accepted my payment then promply complained that my (paypal verified) email had not been verified and that I should follow instructions in the email they had sent.
I never received any such email. Not in regular, junk, spamassassin folders. This is my 100% reliable email address that never loses an email. I promply filed a complaint with paypal. Next day their response was that I did not respond to the email (that I never got) so they activated it manually but I have already lost confidence and want my money back. So far they have refused to offer me a refund so I am continuing to fight it on paypal.
My advice is to stay away!

Hi,
1. we do use Google Premium (Paid) services to send out the emails. It is most reliable service in the market.
2. You can any time ask for verification via separate email.
3. We never refuse to make refund if credit not used
Your situation mostly happens when you use stolen PayPal and can not control PayPal primary email. Or maybe you are competitor who try to damage reputation - you have 2 posts only so you do not have any reputation.
Mike
FastGSM

when I tried to connect my phone and unlock it, I get the error
that my account does not have enough credit even though I have paid for it
already . Please help.

thats just harsh thanks for the tip ill b sure to stay away

i'll also wait for a day, if they don't reply, I'll raise a PayPal claim too.

I like the competitor trying to damage reputation assumption. Real professional.
Sent from my Nexus One using XDA App

i have the same problem..
I habe write a email to fastgsm but ntohing comes back..
now i muss complain my paypal acc too.
sorry.. i'm german.. my english is terrible..

Um.. just curious - isn't that something that can be done by yourself without having to contact a site like this?
Not bashing the site or anything but was just curious.

avgjoegeek said:
Um.. just curious - isn't that something that can be done by yourself without having to contact a site like this?
Not bashing the site or anything but was just curious.
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i dunno but its funny the CS guy pwned op in 2nd post

FastGSM said:
Hi,
1. we do use Google Premium (Paid) services to send out the emails. It is most reliable service in the market.
2. You can any time ask for verification via separate email.
3. We never refuse to make refund if credit not used
Your situation mostly happens when you use stolen PayPal and can not control PayPal primary email. Or maybe you are competitor who try to damage reputation - you have 2 posts only so you do not have any reputation.
Mike
FastGSM
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Awesome English dude, you Chinese?
Sent from God, who uses OMGB-5.

Hello, FastGSM crew is 100% trustable. They make unique solutions on the market (many many world firsts) and for many models only they can unlock them (specially usa/canada and latin/central america models). They helped to a lot of users there to unlock their phones including me - Me personally did unlocked around 25 phones with them.

Smokeey said:
Awesome English dude, you Chinese?
Sent from God, who uses OMGB-5.
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guess so.. Wah Wai Electronics or something similar is their paypal name.

To unlock your phone, call your provider customer service and say politely "I would like to have my phone unlocked. Can you please provide me the code?" and viola - you have your code in the mail in about 3-7 days. Even if you are on the contract, they will get it to you in anyway. Use google people.
PS: I unlocked my Nokia while being on the contract, on the 5th month

FastGSM said:
you have 2 posts only so you do not have any reputation.
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From someone who's got 1 post

Beware! fastgsm scam!
They suspended my account immediately after I purchase $20 credit. It’s been almost a week and multiple attempt to contact them and all I got is automated reply.

Sellerbar

Anyone have experience using cellarbar.com website? Reason I ask is because they are offering Galaxy Note 10.1 tablets for 237 dollars brand new.
If it's legit is one heck of a price,
Part of me thinks If it looks too good to be true... but part of me hopes it's the real deal.
Google did not bring up many hits indicating this maybe a scam website so I just don't know.

I'm not sure!
I have no experience with this website, but it seems fishy. If anyone has ever tried it... they should post here!
Edit: They do not accept paypal, only moneygram and western union. seems like this is one to stay away from. I'll try the number/email sometime to see what kind of response I get.
Edit 2: This is the email response I got. (Links removed for posting purposes)
Dear friend :
Thanks for your email.
We are legal company .we do business for three years . We buy goods directly from the producing compaany,and we have set up good cooperation relationship,thus all of our goods are at a very low price.we have customers all over the world. we ship our items to buyers everyday . We do business by honesty , you can check our shipping information by click the " send goods " in our web. After your items be sent , you will get your tracking number at the same day once your payment is confirmed . Then you can track your shipping information in shipping agency website and get your goods in 4 -6 days .
If you have any questions on the details. you can contact us by email or " online chat".
I am looking forward to our cooperation for long time.
Many thanks .
Website :
Msn :
Email:
Tel: 0086-010-56028115

A Web of Trust user says that they sell knock-offs.
"This is a Chinese counterfeit site that sells cheap ripoffs and junk. Do not trust them! "
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