This is for any musicians who moonlight as android developers, or vice versa.
I searched for an answer to this question, but I haven't yet found an answer. Since this website has always been the best for model-specific android development, I thought I'd run this up the ol' flagpole and see who salutes.
I have long avoided joining the hipster ipad/iphone crowd for numerous reasons, including reasons that are purely emotional. That said, I have run into an issue that might send me over the edge to iOS. The issue has to do with MIDI implementation. Apparently, iOS has fully implemented MIDI into its operating system and device USB ports, which is something that Android did not do until version 3.1. Even though 3.1 has been out for some time, the hardware has taken a while to catch up because of latency problems and other frustrations.
Finally, current smartphones and tablets are capable of implementing real-time midi control through the USB port; however, it requires that MIDI is properly configured in the kernel. Since I am so unfortunate as to be a Verizon customer, I have my doubts whether Verizion has bothered to unlock the midi capabilities of the S6 via an OTG cable (if ever there was a stupid name for a host cable, but that is another topic).
Does anyone know if the Verizon version of the Galaxy S6 has fully implemented midi capabilities through the USB port? Until recently, I never had the need for midi control through my phone, but now I need to do just that. I would rather not have to buy an ipad to do what I want to do, but that might be my last resort. I had just upgraded my phone before the clowns at Guitar Center told me that only iOS has implemented midi, which I later found out was not true (sort of). The only people I trust less than the staff at most Guitar Centers are the truly lost individuals you typically find at a Verizon store, so I am posting this on the only board that has never steered me wrong when it comes to all things android.
Thanks for any help in this area anyone might be able to offer.
Trainwreck33 said:
This is for any musicians who moonlight as android developers, or vice versa.
I searched for an answer to this question, but I haven't yet found an answer. Since this website has always been the best for model-specific android development, I thought I'd run this up the ol' flagpole and see who salutes.
I have long avoided joining the hipster ipad/iphone crowd for numerous reasons, including reasons that are purely emotional. That said, I have run into an issue that might send me over the edge to iOS. The issue has to do with MIDI implementation. Apparently, iOS has fully implemented MIDI into its operating system and device USB ports, which is something that Android did not do until version 3.1. Even though 3.1 has been out for some time, the hardware has taken a while to catch up because of latency problems and other frustrations.
Finally, current smartphones and tablets are capable of implementing real-time midi control through the USB port; however, it requires that MIDI is properly configured in the kernel. Since I am so unfortunate as to be a Verizon customer, I have my doubts whether Verizion has bothered to unlock the midi capabilities of the S6 via an OTG cable (if ever there was a stupid name for a host cable, but that is another topic).
Does anyone know if the Verizon version of the Galaxy S6 has fully implemented midi capabilities through the USB port? Until recently, I never had the need for midi control through my phone, but now I need to do just that. I would rather not have to buy an ipad to do what I want to do, but that might be my last resort. I had just upgraded my phone before the clowns at Guitar Center told me that only iOS has implemented midi, which I later found out was not true (sort of). The only people I trust less than the staff at most Guitar Centers are the truly lost individuals you typically find at a Verizon store, so I am posting this on the only board that has never steered me wrong when it comes to all things android.
Thanks for any help in this area anyone might be able to offer.
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Im on 5.1.1 and there is no option for it like my Nexus 7.
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Im on 5.1.1 and there is no option for it like my Nexus 7.
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You might not see anything that is obvious unless you install an application that uses it and have an external USB-to-midi port connected. it isn't like the USB port that provides bi-directional communication. Midi is strictly 1-way and although midi information is digital, it is an analog signal that requires translation from USB via an external port. These are fairly common and are relatively cheap. BUT, by my understanding, in order for android to even see the port requires that midi is turned on in the kernel properly. I just ordered an OTG cable (actually an external OTG adapter) so I intend to give it a try as soon as Amazon delivers it. I have seen other people that have used midi with a Nexus phone, but not with a Verizon S6. From my past experience with Verizon, I am pessimistic about my chances. The only other option would be if I could root the phone and then install a new kernel that has midi turned on, but apparently Verizon has made that problematic as well. I will hold off on cursing Verizon much more until I confirm that they are the user-unfriendly company I know them to be.
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I am currently trying to get usb host functions to work on my pro (if it is even possible). I am wondering if anyone has some info about this that would point me in the right direction. I found a thread on this board from a few months ago about how to make the usb cable needed. I was specifically wondering if anyone has the drivers and other files needed to make this work. Ultimately I would like to hook my pro to an external touchscreen to create a carputer type setup.
Topic was discussed before - afair there is no such function on TP because of lack of power - with USB Host you need to provide power for device connected to TP.
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bzdziagwa said:
Topic was discussed before - afair there is no such function on TP because of lack of power - with USB Host you need to provide power for device connected to TP.
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What about using an external source of power like a usb hub?
i dont believe it's just a power issue
it's been up many many many times the last years
with pretty much all htc devices
if you got it working you'd be the first ever who made it work
on any HTC wm device apart from Athena
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Ultimately I would like to hook my pro to an external touchscreen to create a carputer type setup.
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How 'bout using a Carputer with touchscreen, and a proggie like EveryWan ??
It may not be a solution for you, but the RedFly adds USB host functionality to the phone paired with it and it works nicely with Touch Pro.
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not possible...atleast not atm
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It may not be a solution for you, but the RedFly adds USB host functionality to the phone paired with it and it works nicely with Touch Pro.
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So does redfly have usb ports? If it does this might be the solution I was looking for. If it is possible to remove the keyboard or move it out of the way and put the screen in the dash I could use something like this. I like that it uses bluetooth which means less wires to mess around with.
I don't want to give up on usb host on my pro yet though. I have read some people saying it may be possible, I even read on a message board someone saying he got it to work with a different htc phone (I don't recall which phone it was). I have also read some people saying it isn't possible.
The pro is the first smartphone I have ever owned (except for the palm centro I had for 3 weeks). I am new to windows mobile phones and am trying to figure out if people actually looked into it and say it isn't possible or just say it isn't possible without trying it. I am not claiming that it is or isn't possible I am just looking for information about it.
i love the drag and drop feature but im worried. pricing and specs are awesome and of course not having a usb port isnt a deal break but still
I am, I really hope they release an accessory so I don't have to buy the keyboard. Technically speaking it would be super cheap to make.
Actually I am since my G Tablet has the ability to power my 500gb USB HD that has all my movies on it which works wonderfully since their last update.
I'm not saying this to bash the Asus, just that this is a very useful feature that I would want to have available without the extra dock.
Do you mean specifically from a usb flash drive? You should be able to connect to a pc through its usb drive through the transformers proprietary port and drag and drop that way can you not?
Technically it could be done if someone took up the challenge
Similar to the xoom usb host modification
http://www.slatedroid.com/topic/15979-hack-enable-usb-host-mode-ie-thumb-drives-on-the-xoom/
It may actually be easier, since the transformer already supports USB through the 40 Pin connector via the laptop dock
Its just a matter of trying to figure out the proprietary connector Asus put on the transformer
I really wish they would have at least included a micro USB port
Not a bit. The price point on the tablet alone is already great for what it has now. From a business standpoint they needed something extra to justify the dock price since it is there ostensibly to add more functionality than a normal tab has.
i am sure someone will hack up a cable very soon, since it's clearly stated that the port has both USB host and client capabilities.
Charging stand
There is going to be a charging stand according to Asus for 69.99 that includes 2 USB ports.
campuslife.asus.com/index/1947/official-eee-pad-transformer-unboxing-video/ (see the comments section)
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There is going to be a charging stand according to Asus for 69.99 that includes 2 USB ports.
campuslife.asus.com/index/1947/official-eee-pad-transformer-unboxing-video/ (see the comments section)
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So basically you could turn it into a honeycomb desktop? (stand + keyboard and mouse, or stand + keyboard, mouse and screen through HDMI).
This would be a decent desktop setup for kids I guess.
I posted something on on Asus' Campus Life. Please hit reply to it and respond requesting this accessory! Look for username Dean.
http://campuslife.asus.com/index/194...ideo/#comments
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There is going to be a charging stand according to Asus for 69.99 that includes 2 USB ports.
campuslife.asus.com/index/1947/official-eee-pad-transformer-unboxing-video/ (see the comments section)
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Interesting... If true (and it's written in a very straightforward way, even includes MSRP) then Asus are really planning quite an ecosystem for this tablet. That implies good support in terms of updates etc. as well, to try and get the ball rolling... Nice find!
I decided to buy the GSIII after hearing that Samsung had made a great phone, done a decent job of preventing the carriers from ruining the phone, and had become a top level member of the Linux foundation to boot!
But then I heard about the MHL connector scam - and that is one slimy move. Note that it is not only incompatible with the MHL standard, it is incompatible with other Samsung MHL cables. (If Samsung has issued some sort of clarification or explanation then please let me know.)
If I keep looking for perfection amongst the manufacturers I will never get a new phone, but I certainly don't want to simply turn a blind eye to this obnoxious move. If this is successful for Samsung, I can see them creating a fresh batch of incompatible connectors for every new device they create.
I was disappointed that Apple users never raised a fuss through all those years when Apple kept getting rated as the worst environmental offender in the Consumer Electronics industry, but one of the things that sets Android users apart from Apple users is the lack of blind brand loyalty.
So, is there an informal boycott of Samsung accessories afoot?
I guess I'm suggesting that the XDA community could discourage people from buying any of Samsung's "trick" accessories, including their fake MHL and PDMI connectors. I hope consumers will come to realize that, while Samsung makes great phones, their accessories are not a good choice, and I hope that Samsung will come to realize doing stuff like this isn't worth it.
Obviously, the less money they make from this slimy move the less likely they are to repeat it. The outcome is up to us.
[I'm posting in General forum rather then GSIII because I believe this issue - connectors, standards, and taking action - is of general relevance.]
Get ready for a horde of blind Samsung fanboys to flame you, they are just as bad as Apple fanboys. I actually read about this MHL issue. But at least they released the source code for their international device.
For me, personally, I think MHL adaptor is stupid, its clunky and inconvenient, too many wires involved. A dedicated microHDMI connector solution was better, but manufacturers abandoned it to save money because they have to put in another connector and pay royalty. I like the idea of the royalty free DisplayPort, but there is no micro version of it yet.
I'm probably not getting the SIII unless its price drops a lot since the Nexus is still the best phone software wise.
I'm imagining/wishing 2-3 years from now all phones will have a built in projector, but not sure how they'll keep it small.
An update - still appears that the port is a fake
I did my best to get an answer from the MHL Consortium but they would not respond - even to simple question such explaining how a consumer can distinugish an MHL compliant product. But it is a consortium, not a standards body - it represents member companies, not consumers, so I guess this is to be expected. The media types remain confused too.
I put together a quick website to try to inform consumers about this:
http://www.galaxymhl.com/
I believe that Android users are not the 'sheep' that iPhone users are (as evidenced by XDA itself) and I hope we can influence Samsung on this by encouraging consumers to not buy their 'fake' MHL accessories.
Even if Sammie just stops using the MHL branding with the phone and the accessories it will be a big improvement. As things stand, they are really undermining the standard.
Update!
I have received a complete explanation and have posted it there:
http://www.galaxymhl.com/
I'm pleased that, in the end, the advantages of the 11-pin MHL port on the SGS3 are significant enough to allay the initial suspicions that this was just about selling more accessories.
On the other hand, wow, was it ever a ton of work to get a clear explanation - would have thought they would have wanted to explain this clearly from the beginning. At the very least, I might have thought they would posted a clear explanation to a relevant wikipedia article once all the WTF articles started appearing.
It works for Galaxy W?
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It works for Galaxy W?
Inviato dal mio IPhone 5
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I believe the Galaxy W does not support MHL.
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I have received a complete explanation and have posted it there:
I'm pleased that, in the end, the advantages of the 11-pin MHL port on the SGS3 are significant enough to allay the initial suspicions that this was just about selling more accessories.
On the other hand, wow, was it ever a ton of work to get a clear explanation - would have thought they would have wanted to explain this clearly from the beginning. At the very least, I might have thought they would posted a clear explanation to a relevant wikipedia article once all the WTF articles started appearing.
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Yes, finally I got it. So if I've understood it well, The official MHL adapter works fine to allow you HDTV signal (HDMI) and USB OTG at the same time but... every review I read says that the MHL adapter needs power in its microUSB connector, so has anyone tested if it is possible to get USB OTG in that connector fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed??
Thank you very much in advance!
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Yes, finally I got it. So if I've understood it well, The official MHL adapter works fine to allow you HDTV signal (HDMI) and USB OTG at the same time but... every review I read says that the MHL adapter needs power in its microUSB connector, so has anyone tested if it is possible to get USB OTG in that connector fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed::fingers-crossed??
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I don't have the actual adapter (was boycotting it) so I can't say anything concrete, but I believe that what you are saying conflicts with the explanation that I received. The Samsung adapter for the Galaxy SIII is supposed to be able to get its power from the phone - no need for power from a separate USB cable. The adapter in question is here:
http://www.amazon.com/Adapter-HDMI-EPL-3FHU-Samsung-Galaxy/dp/B0080CXSOU
Can you give me a link to one of these reviews that says otherwise?
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Can you give me a link to one of these reviews that says otherwise?
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Sure, here for example:
clove.co.uk/samsung-galaxy-s3-mhlhdmi-adaptor
It says:
"Please note: For the MHL cable to work you will need to have it connected to mains power."
So I don't really know what to think...Maybe you can power it using a Hub...
At first when I saw the S3 MHL adapter I though in using this connection scheme:
imageshack.us/photo/my-images/341/mhlotg.png
But I've been told that this is not going to work. I have not tested it yet but maybe its a matter of the USB OTG cable used or one of them should not be OTG, I don't know. But I have not been able to find any website or review that shows both, USB OTG + MHL, wroking at the same time and for me that is suspicious...
EDIT: sorry for links but I'm not able to use them yet...Copy+Paste
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Sure, here for example:
clove.co.uk/samsung-galaxy-s3-mhlhdmi-adaptor
It says:
"Please note: For the MHL cable to work you will need to have it connected to mains power."
So I don't really know what to think...Maybe you can power it using a Hub...
At first when I saw the S3 MHL adapter I though in using this connection scheme:
imageshack.us/photo/my-images/341/mhlotg.png
But I've been told that this is not going to work. I have not tested it yet but maybe its a matter of the USB OTG cable used or one of them should not be OTG, I don't know. But I have not been able to find any website or review that shows both, USB OTG + MHL, wroking at the same time and for me that is suspicious...
EDIT: sorry for links but I'm not able to use them yet...Copy+Paste
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Thanks for supplying that link. I will try to contact Clove to see whether perhaps they just added that disclaimer about needing power because past MHL adapters needed it.
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Thanks for supplying that link. I will try to contact Clove to see whether perhaps they just added that disclaimer about needing power because past MHL adapters needed it.
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I think it needs power in its microUSB female connector, but I wish it doesn't. Nobody has the MHL and the USB OTG to make the test? Maybe the OTG cable should be connected to a USB hub in order to supply power also...I need to test that on my own, but the MHL cable has not arrived yet and Im getting holydays veeeery soon...
The whole mhl thing has put me off getting any adapter.
Does anybody know if the S3 has the capability of connection to a Widi adapter or all the companies developing a medfield platform just to go off and make propritary adapters??
FYI;
Intel claim widi for their phones only
http://software.intel.com/en-us/blo...splay-technology-on-ia-phones#comment-1641598
HTC have their own adapter;
http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/14/htc-media-link-hd-review/
http://www.androidcentral.com/htc-sense-4-complete-walkthrough
Generic stickers to further confuse us all;
http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/19/wi-fi-alliance-announces-first-miracast-certified-devices/
I've been trying to connect but the phone only wants to shoot files at my Belkin adapter, no success.
If the galaxy S3 supports miracast should it work, maybe it will come with jelly bean...
http://www.autoomobile.com/news/samsung-galaxy-s3-lg-optimus-g-miracast/1003391/
I'm hugely confused!
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I'm admittedly coming back to Android from the iPhone but I've always had a charging or audio dock for my devices and it seems people don't really make those anymore. Why is that? I understand micro usb slot placement may play a role but really I'm at a loss here. The stands/charging docks available for these devices are terrible. Is there a particular brand or website that I'm missing?
The.Jericho.Initiative said:
I'm admittedly coming back to Android from the iPhone but I've always had a charging or audio dock for my devices and it seems people don't really make those anymore. Why is that? I understand micro usb slot placement may play a role but really I'm at a loss here. The stands/charging docks available for these devices are terrible. Is there a particular brand or website that I'm missing?
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I moved away from docks shortly after nfc came out. Now I just touch my phone to the speakers and they automatically pair. The nice thing about doing it that way is you can hold and use your phone as it's charging from any outlet in the room/house. I don't think you can use nfc for anything other than Apple pay on the iPhone so that's probably why docks are still so popular on the iphone.
The.Jericho.Initiative said:
I'm admittedly coming back to Android from the iPhone but I've always had a charging or audio dock for my devices and it seems people don't really make those anymore. Why is that? I understand micro usb slot placement may play a role but really I'm at a loss here. The stands/charging docks available for these devices are terrible. Is there a particular brand or website that I'm missing?
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Samsung makes some lesser known ones like the DA-Exxx line.
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-DA-E5...431541290&sr=8-3&keywords=samsung+da+speakers
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-DA-E6...8&qid=1431541443&sr=8-3&keywords=da-e+samsung
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-DA-E5...8&qid=1431541443&sr=8-7&keywords=da-e+samsung
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-DA-E6...8&qid=1431541443&sr=8-5&keywords=da-e+samsung
The highest end one is the DA-E750/751 that has a built in tube amp.
http://www.samsung.com/us/video/home-audio/DA-E751/ZA
Docks are usually phone specific and become obsolete when the phone does. Jack/port placement changes and there isn't a universal standard for getting audio out of the USB port. Using Bluetooth (with or without NFC) gets around the physical obsolescence with a standard method.
My headphone adapter from Google does not consistently work. What's the deal?
I plug it in and usually gives me the notification for different USB options: charge, supply power, transfer files, transfer photos, MIDI
But sound just plays through my speakers or calls come through the ear of the phone.
Any ideas? Is there some secret to it that I'm not getting?
Is this the included adaptor or one that you acquired elsewhere?
It is the adapter that came with the phone from Google.
Sounds like a defective cable. What I'm unsure of is USB-C was suppose to be a new "standard" but Google changed pins or something preventing other adapters from working. Really piss poor. Just sent back my second after market adapter that did advertise pixel2 compliant. Nope.
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What I'm unsure of is USB-C was suppose to be a new "standard" but Google changed pins or something preventing other adapters from working. Really piss poor. Just sent back my second after market adapter that did advertise pixel2 compliant. Nope.
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You don't say which after market adapter you got.
Google is using the standard but requires DAC which meets the standard. If you get a cheap adapter, the chances are they don't have the necessary DAC chip in them or a cheap version which doesn't work.
One of many articles about it.
https://www.androidauthority.com/3-5mm-audio-usb-type-c-701507/
Google will have them back in stock shortly for $9 w/free shipping.
https://store.google.com/us/product/usb_c_headphone_adapter
Another solution would be to get a BT to 3mm device which allows you to use BT on your phone to any 3.5mm plug devices. I have been using a several of these for a couple years to hook up my TV and other devices which use the 3.5mm jack to use with my really good BT headphones.
Yes, I can confirm that the HTC adapter works with the Pixel 2. However, aftermarket adapters designed for Motorola phones won't because Moto aren't following the USB-C digital standard there (and they key is "digital", which is why, as the post above says, the adapter needs a DAC in it).
I have the same problem and apparently I am not the only one.
I heard that people got 2 or 3 replacements and the problem persists. It is probably software related.
I will see if with the Moshi splitter I have the same problem.
Has anyone fixed this? I'm on my second pixel 2xl and have 3 Google adaptors that work intermittently
Spotty is too kind
The designed in difficulty Google lovingly put into the Pixel 2 surrounding that oh so special USB-C socket, that lonely and inadequate solitary physical output port, to get music to output through there is ridiculously difficult to next to impossible. To Google's credit they have _tried_ to help when I've called - repeatedly - in the past 6 months but it's just simply not designed to send music out that sole output socket. Which is stupefying trying to grasp how those brilliant Mtn. Viewers could have thought such a design a 'good idea.' All previous versions of android allowed me to 'choose' output to fill-in-the-blank - device speaker, b-t, or the cable/port. With the design push err shove toward b-t headphones or devices that then send your signal to your sound system/speakers they evidently just decided no one would want to send music through the cable. That fact is, as I have indicated, perplexing not to mention maddening. It's also a glaring design flaw. The short of it is it will only work if it's plugged into some device that I guess is factory designed to work with Oreo. Then and only then will the Pixel 'see' that resource as an option to play the signal - and it works automatically. Physically choosing to send your music out that USB-C port & out your cable is not an option, according to Google tech support who I finally called after months of frustration and finally giving up on finding resolution online on my own.
Maybe there's something I'm not understanding, but it's certainly not true that music output only works "if it is plugged into some device that is factory designed to work with Oreo". Mine plays music fine through a HTC adapter that predates Oreo by about a year, or a Dragonfly Red portable USB DAC/amp that predates Oreo by a couple of years and isn't even USB-C. And conversely the Google adapter, which I infer you are having problems with, surely was designed for Oreo since it was released with phones that have never had any earlier version of Android.
Now if you are saying that the OS doesn't allow you to send sound out through the socket when it doesn't identify a device capable of handling it as connected, well OK. But would a previous version of Android allow you to route audio through the USB socket if there was nothing connected to it (or nothing more than an OTG connector)? I never tried that (for obvious reasons) so don't know. But I do know it also didn't allow you to route audio out of the headphone jack unless there was something in that making the correct electrical connections. So it seems to me that the main difference is that this is purely digital audio out, so a digital handshake replaces the electrical connection. But as I say, maybe I'm missing something you are trying to say?
I seriously got fed up with the USB-C to 3.5mm jack playing music out loud in my office is no bueno. I decided to buy a FiiO BTR1, it works while charging so ill just leave it plugged in at work.
Update to 2020 January 7. I just bought a new headphone for my Pixel 2 and it won't recognise it with the dongle I got with the phone. I read it was a problem known by Google in 2017 and a fix would happen on a software update. I've also heard masses saying the cheap dongle won't work and Google saying they would replace it. I've also tried a high quality Apple dongle and it didn't work. I'm on Android 10.