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I hate to say this but AOD might not be a good choice on this watch. I have had AOD on for the past 2 days and right not when i got a text i saw that some on the watch face was still on the screen. It wasnt excessive so im hoping it goes away but just letting you guys know that it can get burned in. And just incase youre wondering. I was using a stock watch face so its not a bad third party watch face. And final thing, on my past 2 smart watches you could tell when the watch face would shift every minute with AOD but with this watch it doesnt seem to shift the watch face at all.
I know Tizen states on their website that AOD does move pixels, but I'm sure it's harder for analog faces over digital and the size of the screen.
https://developer.tizen.org/design/wearable/watch-face
Scroll down to "Screen burn" and you'll see they state it moves.
Now I'm not saying it's not possible, in fact I myself don't trust the size of the screen and disable AOD on my watch.
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I hate to say this but AOD might not be a good choice on this watch. I have had AOD on for the past 2 days and right not when i got a text i saw that some on the watch face was still on the screen. It wasnt excessive so im hoping it goes away but just letting you guys know that it can get burned in. And just incase youre wondering. I was using a stock watch face so its not a bad third party watch face. And final thing, on my past 2 smart watches you could tell when the watch face would shift every minute with AOD but with this watch it doesnt seem to shift the watch face at all.
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Did the burn-in go away? Which watch face were you using?
Thankfully it did go away. It was the Urban Classic watch face. Looked so nice with AOD but not going to use it anymore
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Thankfully it did go away. It was the Urban Classic watch face. Looked so nice with AOD but not going to use it anymore
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I just turned my AOD off, just got it today, dont want to take a chance. Until we find out more
Plus with how fast the screen turns on when you raise your arm to look at it, don't really need it much.
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I just turned my AOD off, just got it today, dont want to take a chance. Until we find out more
Plus with how fast the screen turns on when you raise your arm to look at it, don't really need it much.
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I tested the AOD with a third party watchface that i used to use with my gear s2 and i know that for sure it would move around every minute and the movements on the gear s3 were so small that most watchfaces should have an issue with it. Even the stock one. Defenetly dont use it for now. Hopefully they change it so that the watchface shifts as much as it did on the s2
Although AOD consumes battery life and may even result in screen burn, I think that it adds a great deal aesthetically, if not functionally, to the watch. For me, this is very important. Even if I have to charge it nightly or file a warranty claim.
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Although AOD consumes battery life and may even result in screen burn, I think that it adds a great deal aesthetically, if not functionally, to the watch. For me, this is very important. Even if I have to charge it nightly or file a warranty claim.
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I agree. Are burn ins covered by warranty for sure? If so the ill use it anyways because it looks much better with AOD
After 2 days?
HIGHLY unlikely. Almost impossible on any display.
And I've used AOD since I got the watch on release. No kind of screen issues.
I've had my watch for almost 4 weeks now and have used the AoD since then and I've not noticed any screen burn at all.
Fingers crossed it remains this way.
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Although AOD consumes battery life and may even result in screen burn, I think that it adds a great deal aesthetically, if not functionally, to the watch. For me, this is very important. Even if I have to charge it nightly or file a warranty claim.
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I agree with you 100%. I usually put my watch on the charger when I get home from work. It's anywhere from about 60 to 75% charged. That's with the brightness up a notch to 8 and AOD. I make no effort to conserve the battery. It charges up in an hour or two and I put it back on.
AOD is a must also. When I'm sitting at my bench I can just glance down and see the time, no wrist flick needed. My guess it will take a very long time for any kind of burn in. By that time the next latest and greatest will be out.
I also work in a heavy industrial area, I have yet to damage this thing but it's going to happen. By the time there is any screen burn it will probably be low on the list of defects.
my wrist flick only works only half the time. I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. Any suggestions on how I should be flicking my wrist?
You don't have to "flick" your wrist. It's just the rotation of your arm. You can do it slow or fast. Just turn your arm round to show your watchface.
I feel the same way. Had the watch about 3 weeks now and AOD on since. No issues here. I even have a 3rd party face.
I guess ill try it again after a factory reset. Hopefully it was just a glitch for me.
Good morning, I'm noticing an excessive consumption when AOD use, about 1% every 30 minutes, AOD off the battery might not go down every hour or more. I am connected to iPhone 7+ I have everything turned off except Bluetooth, use face Samsung Watch Dashboard Gear. also consumes too much energy in AOD with brightness at minimum.
It completely depends which watch face you are using. They all have different AOD faces, and use different amounts of power.
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Good morning, I'm noticing an excessive consumption when AOD use, about 1% every 30 minutes, AOD off the battery might not go down every hour or more. I am connected to iPhone 7+ I have everything turned off except Bluetooth, use face Samsung Watch Dashboard Gear. also consumes too much energy in AOD with brightness at minimum.
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1%/30min. is normal. That's 2%/hour which means you will have about 50h (two full days). It is the same most of us get out of it with AOD
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If you are worried about burn in use faces that don't have a lot of colors that include blue( purple, white, etc). The lifetime of the blue emitter on OLED is the least by far and is most susceptible to degradation (burn). The lifetimes of red and green emitters are much longer so colors that use those are not likely to burn.
Display orbiting only helps a little, instead of burning a lot in a small spot you will burn a little in a larger spot.
Blue is also the least power efficient, it takes more power to light a blue emitter to the same brightness as red or green. So faces with a lot of blue in them (or colors containing blue) will drain the battery faster.
Since the S3 is new, we're all speculating on the possibility of screen burn. But the S2 has been out for a year. Are there any S2 users who have experienced this problem?
I want the watch just for the novelty of changing/customization watch faces, I know its a waste but have little interest in the other 1001 functions/possibilities.
With the watch face fully lit and always on what is the battery time like?
48hrs with everything else switched off?
Does a digital display consume less power than a traditional watch face?
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I want the watch just for the novelty of changing/customization watch faces, I know its a waste but have little interest in the other 1001 functions/possibilities.
With the watch face fully lit and always on what is the battery time like?
48hrs with everything else switched off?
Does a digital display consume less power than a traditional watch face?
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Sorry I can't answer most of those since I don't use AOD, but I can tell you that dark faces consume less power. I'm not sure that digital vs dial would make a huge difference. If you aren't going to use the stuff like sleep tracking and such then 1 day should be all you need since you could just charge it while sleeping.
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I want the watch just for the novelty of changing/customization watch faces, I know its a waste but have little interest in the other 1001 functions/possibilities.
With the watch face fully lit and always on what is the battery time like?
48hrs with everything else switched off?
Does a digital display consume less power than a traditional watch face?
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Yeah, it mostly just depends on the face you're using - powering the pixels on the face is the main drainer of the battery -. Specifically, the brightness setting and the On Pixel Ratio (OPR), both in the active state and the AOD mode are the differentiators. If you're like me, you're saying, WTF does that mean?!
From Samsung's site:
On Pixel Ratio (OPR)
As the always-on states is a low power mode, OPR (on pixel ratio) is limited to be less than 15%. OPR is the ratio of the sum of each pixel’s RGB values to the value when all pixels of the screen are white. As more pixels have RGB values or the sum of RGB values are higher, the OPR value also increases. For example, the OPR value of white(R255, G255, B255), red(R255, G0, B0), and black (R0, G0, B0) each results in 100%, 33.3%, and 0%. As the OPR value increases, the electricity consumption level goes up as well. However, even with the limit on OPR value, there is still a variety of styles available, so try out various concepts to express your creativity.
So the digital faces would probably last longer than others, simply because most of them have less going on. That being said, I've made faces well above 15% OPR, and left the watch in AOD mode, and yeah, about 2 days is probably right. Easily with some of the stock faces. But easily a day and a half plus on most of the faces I've made or downloaded - always getting me long enough to get it back to a charger with time to spare on day 2, even if I forget to charge overnight one night. (I did grab a spare charger for work just in case, but never really needed to use).
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Yeah, it mostly just depends on the face you're using - powering the pixels on the face is the main drainer of the battery -. Specifically, the brightness setting and the On Pixel Ratio (OPR), both in the active state and the AOD mode are the differentiators. If you're like me, you're saying, WTF does that mean?!
From Samsung's site:
On Pixel Ratio (OPR)
As the always-on states is a low power mode, OPR (on pixel ratio) is limited to be less than 15%. OPR is the ratio of the sum of each pixel’s RGB values to the value when all pixels of the screen are white. As more pixels have RGB values or the sum of RGB values are higher, the OPR value also increases. For example, the OPR value of white(R255, G255, B255), red(R255, G0, B0), and black (R0, G0, B0) each results in 100%, 33.3%, and 0%. As the OPR value increases, the electricity consumption level goes up as well. However, even with the limit on OPR value, there is still a variety of styles available, so try out various concepts to express your creativity.
So the digital faces would probably last longer than others, simply because most of them have less going on. That being said, I've made faces well above 15% OPR, and left the watch in AOD mode, and yeah, about 2 days is probably right. Easily with some of the stock faces. But easily a day and a half plus on most of the faces I've made or downloaded - always getting me long enough to get it back to a charger with time to spare on day 2, even if I forget to charge overnight one night. (I did grab a spare charger for work just in case, but never really needed to use).
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1) Do you have your watch with the display always on or only when you flick the vrist? I have min in always on mode because I like to se ethe time all the time. And I have wifi on and no sim in the watch. I get around a day (from 7 am to 10 pm)of battery life depending on how many notifications I get during a day. I sometimes get 1,5 day. I think that was when I had the wifi disabled.
2) Which watch face is the best for battery life?
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1) Do you have your watch with the display always on or only when you flick the vrist? I have min in always on mode because I like to se ethe time all the time. And I have wifi on and no sim in the watch. I get around a day (from 7 am to 10 pm)of battery life depending on how many notifications I get during a day. I sometimes get 1,5 day. I think that was when I had the wifi disabled.
2) Which watch face is the best for battery life?
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1. No.. it is an amoled, do NOT use always on or you will burn the display. I just a watch face which is barely visible. Not to conserve battery, but not that disturbing when use it at night.
2. design your own, with a all dark and barely visible text.
Ok. I thought that amoled was battery friendly. Do you use flick with the vrist to light up the display or do you use the watch button?
there is another thread about HW2 battery.
please move discussion there.
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1. No.. it is an amoled, do NOT use always on or you will burn the display. I just a watch face which is barely visible. Not to conserve battery, but not that disturbing when use it at night.
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As long as you're using ambient mode with always on, screen burn-in is not a huge concern. Ambient mode will shift the screen contents periodically using, if i recall, 23 different positions. Stock watch faces are designed using display elements that are small enough to work well with ambient mode and avoid screen burn-in. Even custom faces like ultimate watch 2 follow this design practice. i doubt this eliminates burn-in completely but it will certainly reduce it.
hey guy's its my first samsung and was wondering why AOD doesnt detect full darkness when autobrightness is on and doesnt go dark when in total darkness or in pocket etc.
Also if I dont enable edge lighting and get a notification therea no popup on the aod screen at all? no way to have it like aosp or pixel? Or the best would be for screen to wake when notification comes and then go dark leaving icon to show notification.
Last question, is there a way to make the edge lighting style toast notification bubble dark on dark more and not that white bubble? i cant get goodlock to work in my country evem with vpn install it says the modules arent for my phone.
It's not supposed to when it's set to be on continously; it will only change brightness intensity in accordance to ambient levels.
Or this can be set to any level if you chose not to use the auto-brightness feature.
You can set it to double tap on when needed or never to be on at all.
So just how deep does the Sammy rabbit hole go?
Very deep.
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It's not supposed to when it's set to be on continously; it will only change brightness intensity in accordance to ambient levels.
Or this can be set to any level if you chose not to use the auto-brightness feature.
You can set it to double tap on when needed or never to be on at all.
So just how deep does the Sammy rabbit hole go?
Very deep.
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lol i have a k20 Pro also and on miui the aod stays untill your in complete darkness, which is logical? miui has lockscreen wake when notification comes also like ios. Way better then edge bubble thing or not having any popup?
when the phone is on the desk i want to see who messaged and then decide to check or not.
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lol i have a k20 Pro also and on miui the aod stays untill your in complete darkness, which is logical? miui has lockscreen wake when notification comes also like ios. Way better then edge bubble thing or not having any popup?
when the phone is on the desk i want to see who messaged and then decide to check or not.
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I'm running Pie on a Note 10+ so it's they are two very different Android variants.
Controls may be hidden in settings or elsewhere.
I go looking through all the settings that I can find. Even after a year occasionally I find something new; lots of settings.
Androids are like a game... not a boring Apple
Back in the older days pre note 9 AOD actually turned off when you placed phone face down or if you used a wallet type holder or covered proximity sensor ( good ). Samsung then at some point changed their proximity sensor type whereby this feature would be no longer supported. I think the note 8 was the last samsung I owned that worked this way.
However I never recall it ever going completely dark / off even in a pitch dark room.
hmm wierd they would take that feature off why not turn it off when its not needed (aod).
is there another way to have notifications popup on aod apart from edge lightning? like on pixels pr aosp rom?
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hmm wierd they would take that feature off why not turn it off when its not needed (aod).
is there another way to have notifications popup on aod apart from edge lightning? like on pixels pr aosp rom?
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I agree. The feature was really beneficial especially for those that use wallet type cases. You open the cover and AOD activated regardless of it being a mom genuine case.
PS. I think the change actually came about after the note 9 series with their under the screen type proximity sensor implementation from s10 onwards.
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Back in the older days pre note 9 AOD actually turned off when you placed phone face down or if you used a wallet type holder or covered proximity sensor ( good ). Samsung then at some point changed their proximity sensor type whereby this feature would be no longer supported. I think the note 8 was the last samsung I owned that worked this way.
However I never recall it ever going completely dark / off even in a pitch dark room.
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With only a few OLEDs active their power drain is slight. Their mosfet drivers are very efficient.
The current used additional sensing of previous versions may have been more prohibitive than that of the active OLEDs.
I just leave mine on; turning off decreases off time battery consumption by 20% or so. Not as much as you think as other systems run regardless unless you power the phone off.
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With only a few OLEDs active their power drain is slight. Their mosfet drivers are very efficient.
The current used additional sensing of previous versions may have been more prohibitive than that of the active OLEDs.
I just leave mine on; turning off decreases off time battery consumption by 20% or so. Not as much as you think as other systems run regardless unless you power the phone off.
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I'd vouch for your last paragraph. Screen off drain has become the achilles heel of the galaxy devices more so than before. I can't seem to get below at best 0.4% drain per hour if I'm lucky . I need to look into some of the methods you mentioned in this forum.
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I'd vouch for your last paragraph. Screen off drain has become the achilles heel of the galaxy devices more so than before. I can't seem to get below at best 0.4% drain per hour if I'm lucky . I need to look into some of the methods you mentioned in this forum.
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That's probably as good as it gets. Cell standby and device idle are needed otherwise simply power it down.
With AOD always on I figure 1% or less @ hr is good performance.
Tap on only improves it but I like stuff that glows.
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That's probably as good as it gets. Cell standby and device idle are needed otherwise simply power it down.
With AOD always on I figure 1% or less @ hr is good performance.
Tap on only improves it but I like stuff that glows.
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Yeah but,.no but, yeah but... My Moto.G gets 1 to 2 percent evrrynight. " Totally unacceptable for a $1399 msrp device".I'm gonna use this line like the noobies do better still use it as my signature.
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That's probably as good as it gets. Cell standby and device idle are needed otherwise simply power it down.
With AOD always on I figure 1% or less @ hr is good performance.
Tap on only improves it but I like stuff that glows.
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on my k20pro i can get 0.4% and hour idle with aosp rom and like 8-11% active.
here i dont want to root so cant use franko manager to see or app with real data.
this white bubble with edge lighting notifications is annoyinf i cant make it dark??
o **** this app aodnotify does exactly what I want, gives an led circle and shows message preview
orr even better this glimpse app remplaces aod edge lighting with simple lockscreen wake then back to aod with app icon. On regular screen on edge behaviour is the same.
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Yeah but,.no but, yeah but... My Moto.G gets 1 to 2 percent evrrynight. " Totally unacceptable for a $1399 msrp device".I'm gonna use this line like the noobies do better still use it as my signature.
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Over 1% some apks are running amuck*. The 10+ use to do that.
It's very irritating.
*it's a quaint Android custom
Since the Galaxy Watch 4 is not a champion when it comes to battery life, I'm sure we're many wanting at least 2 days battery life WITHOUT disabling all the features that made us bought the GW4 at the first place.
I can easily achieve 2 days battery life AOD Off, Wifi Off. All the other features is turned on.
I was wondering if turning on AOD and disabling Raise Wrist to wake would still grant me 2 days battery life since I heard that apparently RWTW consume a pretty good amount of battery every time we tilt our wrist.
How about you guys?
AOD off is a dealbreaker for me. Any watch that doesn't have real and usable AOD, I would not buy. So I would never turn off AOD (unless I was caught somewhere with a low battery condition). I leave raise to wake also on. I know these will suck battery, but that is how I insist on using the watch. To conserve other power, I turn off WiFi and NFC. Not much else I can do.
i don't really care about battery life that much, as long as I can get through a typical day. Charging once a day is fine with me. I have been doing it for many years with the Moto 360 1, Moto 360 2, and S3. I just hope it does wear out the battery too soon (as in, diminished capacity).
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AOD off is a dealbreaker for me. Any watch that doesn't have real and usable AOD, I would not buy. So I would never turn off AOD (unless I was caught somewhere with a low battery condition). I leave raise to wake also on. I know these will suck battery, but that is how I insist on using the watch. To conserve other power, I turn off WiFi and NFC. Not much else I can do.
i don't really care about battery life that much, as long as I can get through a typical day. Charging once a day is fine with me. I have been doing it for many years with the Moto 360 1, Moto 360 2, and S3. I just hope it does wear out the battery too soon (as in, diminished capacity).
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With that configuration how long does the watch stand approximately? Do you track sleep at night and with a workout routine does the watch still have battery left until the morning?
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AOD off is a dealbreaker for me. Any watch that doesn't have real and usable AOD, I would not buy. So I would never turn off AOD (unless I was caught somewhere with a low battery condition). I leave raise to wake also on. I know these will suck battery, but that is how I insist on using the watch. To conserve other power, I turn off WiFi and NFC. Not much else I can do.
i don't really care about battery life that much, as long as I can get through a typical day. Charging once a day is fine with me. I have been doing it for many years with the Moto 360 1, Moto 360 2, and S3. I just hope it does wear out the battery too soon (as in, diminished capacity).
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I must confess I've never really understood the need for AOD as long as the wrist gesture to wake works properly (which admittedly hasn't always been the case) - and I'll take the extra battery life with it off any day over any real or perceived inconvenience of turning your wrist to see the time.
I haven't yet been able to fully determine how well it works on the GW4, but on the Gear S3 it was perfectly fine, so I am expecting it to be at least as good.
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I must confess I've never really understood the need for AOD as long as the wrist gesture to wake works properly (which admittedly hasn't always been the case)
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In my case, I often look at my watch at times I don't want to perform an obvious gesture, like in a meeting, or in front of someone. I want to be able to look at the screen anytime, in any circumstance, like a "real" watch.
Also, just vanity, but.... I went to all the expense and fuss to get a classic-looking watch- round, silver, pretty, matching band, fancy classic watch face, to look like a "real" watch, and "real" watches have an always-on display. I have fooled many, many people over the many years, who had no idea I was wearing a smart watch.
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In my case, I often look at my watch at times I don't want to perform an obvious gesture, like in a meeting, or in front of someone. I want to be able to look at the screen anytime, in any circumstance, like a "real" watch.
Also, just vanity, but.... I went to all the expense and fuss to get a classic-looking watch- round, silver, pretty, matching band, fancy classic watch face, to look like a "real" watch, and "real" watches have an always-on display. I have fooled many, many people over the many years, who had no idea I was wearing a smart watch.
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That's fair enough.
AOD is a sure great feature but it has a pretty huge impact on the battery as opposed to what some saying that it only consume few % of battery. In my testing it consumed 20% every 6 hours, and i could definitely feel the difference AOD on and AOD off.
Since my daily routine include a workout session and since I use sleep tracking, I am afraid that my daily routine can't be compatibile with AOD. It's a annoying not to be able to use the watch to full capacity and having to make choice between fancy look and fitness.
Hope they will be able to improve battery life with updates...
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AOD is a sure great feature but it has a pretty huge impact on the battery as opposed to what some saying that it only consume few % of battery. In my testing it consumed 20% every 6 hours, and i could definitely feel the difference AOD on and AOD off.
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It will vary a LOT depending on which watch face. Probably why most faces have light indicators on a dark background. Also, some faces have a much "simpler" mode when in dim/inactive mode. But yes, it will consume a lot of battery compared to AOD off, unless the dim/inactive mode is very simple and dim. But if it is too simple/dim, it might not even worth having AOD on.
Watchmaker has a feature which shows how many pixels are on with each face, both in active and standby mode. Can be useful. Plus you can edit the face to turn whatever part of the face you want off in dim/standby mode to help save power. The face I am using now, I turned off the logo, always, and the second hand and some of the background off in standby/dim mode.
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It will vary a LOT depending on which watch face. Probably why most faces have light indicators on a dark background. Also, some faces have a much "simpler" mode when in dim/inactive mode. But yes, it will consume a lot of battery compared to AOD off, unless the dim/inactive mode is very simple and dim. But if it is too simple/dim, it might not even worth having AOD on.
Watchmaker has a feature which shows how many pixels are on with each face, both in active and standby mode. Can be useful. Plus you can edit the face to turn whatever part of the face you want off in dim/standby mode to help save power. The face I am using now, I turned off the logo, always, and the second hand and some of the background off in standby/dim mode.
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Thanks for the tips!