I want the watch just for the novelty of changing/customization watch faces, I know its a waste but have little interest in the other 1001 functions/possibilities.
With the watch face fully lit and always on what is the battery time like?
48hrs with everything else switched off?
Does a digital display consume less power than a traditional watch face?
as400 said:
I want the watch just for the novelty of changing/customization watch faces, I know its a waste but have little interest in the other 1001 functions/possibilities.
With the watch face fully lit and always on what is the battery time like?
48hrs with everything else switched off?
Does a digital display consume less power than a traditional watch face?
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Sorry I can't answer most of those since I don't use AOD, but I can tell you that dark faces consume less power. I'm not sure that digital vs dial would make a huge difference. If you aren't going to use the stuff like sleep tracking and such then 1 day should be all you need since you could just charge it while sleeping.
as400 said:
I want the watch just for the novelty of changing/customization watch faces, I know its a waste but have little interest in the other 1001 functions/possibilities.
With the watch face fully lit and always on what is the battery time like?
48hrs with everything else switched off?
Does a digital display consume less power than a traditional watch face?
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Yeah, it mostly just depends on the face you're using - powering the pixels on the face is the main drainer of the battery -. Specifically, the brightness setting and the On Pixel Ratio (OPR), both in the active state and the AOD mode are the differentiators. If you're like me, you're saying, WTF does that mean?!
From Samsung's site:
On Pixel Ratio (OPR)
As the always-on states is a low power mode, OPR (on pixel ratio) is limited to be less than 15%. OPR is the ratio of the sum of each pixel’s RGB values to the value when all pixels of the screen are white. As more pixels have RGB values or the sum of RGB values are higher, the OPR value also increases. For example, the OPR value of white(R255, G255, B255), red(R255, G0, B0), and black (R0, G0, B0) each results in 100%, 33.3%, and 0%. As the OPR value increases, the electricity consumption level goes up as well. However, even with the limit on OPR value, there is still a variety of styles available, so try out various concepts to express your creativity.
So the digital faces would probably last longer than others, simply because most of them have less going on. That being said, I've made faces well above 15% OPR, and left the watch in AOD mode, and yeah, about 2 days is probably right. Easily with some of the stock faces. But easily a day and a half plus on most of the faces I've made or downloaded - always getting me long enough to get it back to a charger with time to spare on day 2, even if I forget to charge overnight one night. (I did grab a spare charger for work just in case, but never really needed to use).
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Yeah, it mostly just depends on the face you're using - powering the pixels on the face is the main drainer of the battery -. Specifically, the brightness setting and the On Pixel Ratio (OPR), both in the active state and the AOD mode are the differentiators. If you're like me, you're saying, WTF does that mean?!
From Samsung's site:
On Pixel Ratio (OPR)
As the always-on states is a low power mode, OPR (on pixel ratio) is limited to be less than 15%. OPR is the ratio of the sum of each pixel’s RGB values to the value when all pixels of the screen are white. As more pixels have RGB values or the sum of RGB values are higher, the OPR value also increases. For example, the OPR value of white(R255, G255, B255), red(R255, G0, B0), and black (R0, G0, B0) each results in 100%, 33.3%, and 0%. As the OPR value increases, the electricity consumption level goes up as well. However, even with the limit on OPR value, there is still a variety of styles available, so try out various concepts to express your creativity.
So the digital faces would probably last longer than others, simply because most of them have less going on. That being said, I've made faces well above 15% OPR, and left the watch in AOD mode, and yeah, about 2 days is probably right. Easily with some of the stock faces. But easily a day and a half plus on most of the faces I've made or downloaded - always getting me long enough to get it back to a charger with time to spare on day 2, even if I forget to charge overnight one night. (I did grab a spare charger for work just in case, but never really needed to use).
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hi all, I want to find out whether having the screen brightness on 10% really saves battery or is it better to have it on auto.
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hi all, I want to find out whether having the screen brightness on 10% really saves battery or is it better to have it on auto.
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It would be easy to test this yourself.
Set it to auto for a couple of days, make records.
Set it to 10% for a couple of days, make records.
You could also try a battery monitoring widget which shows mA consumed. These are great for this kinda thing.
To your question, I'd say it depends on ambient light. If you're somewhere where auto would set the brightness higher than 10% (read bright light situations), it will consume more battery. If you're somewhere dark, it could be that it will use the same. I keep mine set to 10%, and adjust as needed. I've found that auto often sets the brightness higher than I'd like to have it (I've got an SGS2, but I'm also very battery conscious).
I've found that the auto-brightness keeps the display much brighter than it really needs to be during operation in low ambient light (e.g. indoors), so I generally leave mine switched to manual and turned down.
Subjectively, keeping the display dimmer like this seems to make the battery last much longer, although naturally you'd need to do tests to have proof! Certainly well worth trying.
- Steve
can change in roms eg cm7.1 for auto brightness
I use Lux. Works very well on my stock TM-UK ROM.
Possibly the more effective software I used to increase battery life
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.vito.lux
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I've found that the auto-brightness keeps the display much brighter than it really needs to be during operation in low ambient light (e.g. indoors), so I generally leave mine switched to manual and turned down.
Subjectively, keeping the display dimmer like this seems to make the battery last much longer, although naturally you'd need to do tests to have proof! Certainly well worth trying.
- Steve
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i made the same experience with the auto-brightness. I also use a widget which lets me change the brightness on my homescreen, it's quick and very useful.
For all you guys who need the edge on battery, and dont need alot of screen brightness, like me, then try out this app on the play store called screen filter. (I am not affiliated with this in any way, I just like the way it works). What it does is apply a "film" over your screen going even lower than android screen brightness. Perfect for office setting (like me), at night when brightness is too much (laying in bed playing a game), or where bright lights might not be wanted (movie theater, work, etc...). I personally love it, I use it usually at 75% with the android brightness off, and everything is still visible, just that extra kick of brightness is gone. Sometimes I go down to 50%, but that gets me seeing my reflection just as well as the screen itself...
It also helps to keep out them creepers that try to look at your screen while sending private texts, pics, etc... Helps keep wandering eyes off of the fancy 4.8 super AMOLED display!
You can add widgets to custom brightness settings to suit yourself, I have 4 right on one of my screens that I use frequently!
I recommend this app to anyone and everyone!
It wont let me post links, but if you search "screen filter" it should be the first app. The logo has a white rectangle outlined in orange with a grey circle in the corner. Not too hard to find at all.
I'm almost positive that screen filter won't increase battery life. I think the phone basically "thinks" its still at a higher brightness than what you see, so it really doesn't improve battery life. I may be wrong though but I remember seeing that when I used it on my droid x.
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I'm almost positive that screen filter won't increase battery life. I think the phone basically "thinks" its still at a higher brightness than what you see, so it really doesn't improve battery life. I may be wrong though but I remember seeing that when I used it on my droid x.
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OLED pixels produce their own light (that is, without a separate backlight). Colors are made darker by dimming pixels. If the app makes what's being displayed on the screen darker, it should be helping battery life. The same reasoning applies to saving juice with dark backgrounds and inverted apps. It just only works on OLED screens and not backlit screen types.
Okay. I wasn't sure if I remembered correctly. Thanks!
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Lux Auto Brightness works a little better, in my opinion. It can go less than the screen's brightness without the filter look.
Hi guys,
A friends uses auto brightness, and only speaks ~ 20 minutes / day. A few browsing, reading e-mails, games, just got him at 2 days of usage. Not bad in my oppinion, but certainly they should have improved the battery.
To me it seems like the battery life is longer. My first week of use around 9 or so it would be in the red, but using it throughout the day, at 9 tonight it sits at 37%. Yes it will vary depending on use, but mine has been on battery 15h 30m and screen is only 18%. Cell standby is 30%, and chrome and facebook are each 11%. Everything else is quite small compared to those main apps used.
It seems to me it is helping, but it may not idk. I will continue to use it unless I run into a major issue with it.
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Lux Auto Brightness works a little better, in my opinion. It can go less than the screen's brightness without the filter look.
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+1 to Lux. Set your own brightness levels for various light levels. It can make the brightness very low, almost not visible.
TheLynxy said:
+1 to Lux. Set your own brightness levels for various light levels. It can make the brightness very low, almost not visible.
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Anyone have some good values for the automatic brightness settings? I just want to go dimmer across the board compared to stock but I'm confused with all the options so far lol
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just got him at 2 days of usage. Not bad in my oppinion, but certainly they should have improved the battery.
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Lol two days of usage and you think the battery needs to be "improved"??
How good does it have to be before people don't complain about it??
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Lol two days of usage and you think the battery needs to be "improved"??
How good does it have to be before people don't complain about it??
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I would be happy to get 2 days of usage... I probably could get 1 and a quarter, but I charge mine every night to be safe. Really varies on how much I use it during the day. Some nights I plug it in with 10% others with 50%... I know its not the best for the battery, but I just plan on getting a new one when this one takes a crap. I have a feeling this phone will be around long enough that the option will still be available
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but I charge mine every night to be safe. Really varies on how much I use it during the day. Some nights I plug it in with 10% others with 50%... I know its not the best for the battery
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That won't hurt the battery, I plug mine in every night also.
Thanks!
What I'd like
jmorton10 said:
Lol two days of usage and you think the battery needs to be "improved"??
How good does it have to be before people don't complain about it??
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What I would like is for my battery to last just *ONE* day. It doesn't do that. I don't mind charging it every night, but I'd prefer it last the day without me having to either charge it or switch batteries.
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nice find on this. i use inverted apps, and i like the way this works
I wear my S2 24/7 except when in the shower or charging. Sometimes only 20% of battery usage happens during the day and 5% at night, other times those numbers can be doubled or even more. I have tried everything to try and figure out what is different when there is higher battery usage. I even did a factory reset and only reinstalled those apps/clock faces I actually use. The only thing that seems to make a difference is charging, if it is using a lot of battery and then I charge it things seem to go back to low battery usage.
I have wireless and nfc turned off, no auto heart rate, and no ambient watch face. At night I turn on Do Not Disturb. I use brightness setting of three which is fine with the watch face am using these days (Exile Blue by Fischbein).
Anybody else see this sort of variability and any ideas of what causes it?
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I wear it 24/7 except with already mentioned and sometimes gets bad battery but never turned off auto heart rate. Honestly the watch can last me 24 hours, not sure how people can get more except without using the watch at all. I know at night, I will turn on power save which helps tremendously. I'd say turn that on throughout the day, you just won't have nice face or use apps except phone and message
I've noticed that it really matters hat watchface you are using. My settings and usage are identical to yours. With the "Modern Utility" watchface I get out about 48h.
With the "Dashboard" watchface, which has no animation, it's steady 60h. So if you swap them throughout the day - that's the explanation.
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I've noticed that it really matters hat watchface you are using. My settings and usage are identical to yours. With the "Modern Utility" watchface I get out about 48h.
With the "Dashboard" watchface, which has no animation, it's steady 60h. So if you swap them throughout the day - that's the explanation.
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Thanks.
Mine is variable without changing the watch face which is what is confusing. By the way, I have the seen the same behavior with both a Sport and a Classic.
I have been thinking about writing an app that tracks battery usage over time and creates a graph. I wonder how hard that would be. Might be a fun project.
Fred
I hate to say this but AOD might not be a good choice on this watch. I have had AOD on for the past 2 days and right not when i got a text i saw that some on the watch face was still on the screen. It wasnt excessive so im hoping it goes away but just letting you guys know that it can get burned in. And just incase youre wondering. I was using a stock watch face so its not a bad third party watch face. And final thing, on my past 2 smart watches you could tell when the watch face would shift every minute with AOD but with this watch it doesnt seem to shift the watch face at all.
I know Tizen states on their website that AOD does move pixels, but I'm sure it's harder for analog faces over digital and the size of the screen.
https://developer.tizen.org/design/wearable/watch-face
Scroll down to "Screen burn" and you'll see they state it moves.
Now I'm not saying it's not possible, in fact I myself don't trust the size of the screen and disable AOD on my watch.
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I hate to say this but AOD might not be a good choice on this watch. I have had AOD on for the past 2 days and right not when i got a text i saw that some on the watch face was still on the screen. It wasnt excessive so im hoping it goes away but just letting you guys know that it can get burned in. And just incase youre wondering. I was using a stock watch face so its not a bad third party watch face. And final thing, on my past 2 smart watches you could tell when the watch face would shift every minute with AOD but with this watch it doesnt seem to shift the watch face at all.
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Did the burn-in go away? Which watch face were you using?
Thankfully it did go away. It was the Urban Classic watch face. Looked so nice with AOD but not going to use it anymore
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Thankfully it did go away. It was the Urban Classic watch face. Looked so nice with AOD but not going to use it anymore
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I just turned my AOD off, just got it today, dont want to take a chance. Until we find out more
Plus with how fast the screen turns on when you raise your arm to look at it, don't really need it much.
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I just turned my AOD off, just got it today, dont want to take a chance. Until we find out more
Plus with how fast the screen turns on when you raise your arm to look at it, don't really need it much.
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I tested the AOD with a third party watchface that i used to use with my gear s2 and i know that for sure it would move around every minute and the movements on the gear s3 were so small that most watchfaces should have an issue with it. Even the stock one. Defenetly dont use it for now. Hopefully they change it so that the watchface shifts as much as it did on the s2
Although AOD consumes battery life and may even result in screen burn, I think that it adds a great deal aesthetically, if not functionally, to the watch. For me, this is very important. Even if I have to charge it nightly or file a warranty claim.
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Although AOD consumes battery life and may even result in screen burn, I think that it adds a great deal aesthetically, if not functionally, to the watch. For me, this is very important. Even if I have to charge it nightly or file a warranty claim.
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I agree. Are burn ins covered by warranty for sure? If so the ill use it anyways because it looks much better with AOD
After 2 days?
HIGHLY unlikely. Almost impossible on any display.
And I've used AOD since I got the watch on release. No kind of screen issues.
I've had my watch for almost 4 weeks now and have used the AoD since then and I've not noticed any screen burn at all.
Fingers crossed it remains this way.
afblangley said:
Although AOD consumes battery life and may even result in screen burn, I think that it adds a great deal aesthetically, if not functionally, to the watch. For me, this is very important. Even if I have to charge it nightly or file a warranty claim.
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I agree with you 100%. I usually put my watch on the charger when I get home from work. It's anywhere from about 60 to 75% charged. That's with the brightness up a notch to 8 and AOD. I make no effort to conserve the battery. It charges up in an hour or two and I put it back on.
AOD is a must also. When I'm sitting at my bench I can just glance down and see the time, no wrist flick needed. My guess it will take a very long time for any kind of burn in. By that time the next latest and greatest will be out.
I also work in a heavy industrial area, I have yet to damage this thing but it's going to happen. By the time there is any screen burn it will probably be low on the list of defects.
my wrist flick only works only half the time. I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. Any suggestions on how I should be flicking my wrist?
You don't have to "flick" your wrist. It's just the rotation of your arm. You can do it slow or fast. Just turn your arm round to show your watchface.
I feel the same way. Had the watch about 3 weeks now and AOD on since. No issues here. I even have a 3rd party face.
I guess ill try it again after a factory reset. Hopefully it was just a glitch for me.
Good morning, I'm noticing an excessive consumption when AOD use, about 1% every 30 minutes, AOD off the battery might not go down every hour or more. I am connected to iPhone 7+ I have everything turned off except Bluetooth, use face Samsung Watch Dashboard Gear. also consumes too much energy in AOD with brightness at minimum.
It completely depends which watch face you are using. They all have different AOD faces, and use different amounts of power.
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Good morning, I'm noticing an excessive consumption when AOD use, about 1% every 30 minutes, AOD off the battery might not go down every hour or more. I am connected to iPhone 7+ I have everything turned off except Bluetooth, use face Samsung Watch Dashboard Gear. also consumes too much energy in AOD with brightness at minimum.
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1%/30min. is normal. That's 2%/hour which means you will have about 50h (two full days). It is the same most of us get out of it with AOD
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If you are worried about burn in use faces that don't have a lot of colors that include blue( purple, white, etc). The lifetime of the blue emitter on OLED is the least by far and is most susceptible to degradation (burn). The lifetimes of red and green emitters are much longer so colors that use those are not likely to burn.
Display orbiting only helps a little, instead of burning a lot in a small spot you will burn a little in a larger spot.
Blue is also the least power efficient, it takes more power to light a blue emitter to the same brightness as red or green. So faces with a lot of blue in them (or colors containing blue) will drain the battery faster.
Since the S3 is new, we're all speculating on the possibility of screen burn. But the S2 has been out for a year. Are there any S2 users who have experienced this problem?
Since the Galaxy Watch 4 is not a champion when it comes to battery life, I'm sure we're many wanting at least 2 days battery life WITHOUT disabling all the features that made us bought the GW4 at the first place.
I can easily achieve 2 days battery life AOD Off, Wifi Off. All the other features is turned on.
I was wondering if turning on AOD and disabling Raise Wrist to wake would still grant me 2 days battery life since I heard that apparently RWTW consume a pretty good amount of battery every time we tilt our wrist.
How about you guys?
AOD off is a dealbreaker for me. Any watch that doesn't have real and usable AOD, I would not buy. So I would never turn off AOD (unless I was caught somewhere with a low battery condition). I leave raise to wake also on. I know these will suck battery, but that is how I insist on using the watch. To conserve other power, I turn off WiFi and NFC. Not much else I can do.
i don't really care about battery life that much, as long as I can get through a typical day. Charging once a day is fine with me. I have been doing it for many years with the Moto 360 1, Moto 360 2, and S3. I just hope it does wear out the battery too soon (as in, diminished capacity).
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AOD off is a dealbreaker for me. Any watch that doesn't have real and usable AOD, I would not buy. So I would never turn off AOD (unless I was caught somewhere with a low battery condition). I leave raise to wake also on. I know these will suck battery, but that is how I insist on using the watch. To conserve other power, I turn off WiFi and NFC. Not much else I can do.
i don't really care about battery life that much, as long as I can get through a typical day. Charging once a day is fine with me. I have been doing it for many years with the Moto 360 1, Moto 360 2, and S3. I just hope it does wear out the battery too soon (as in, diminished capacity).
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With that configuration how long does the watch stand approximately? Do you track sleep at night and with a workout routine does the watch still have battery left until the morning?
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AOD off is a dealbreaker for me. Any watch that doesn't have real and usable AOD, I would not buy. So I would never turn off AOD (unless I was caught somewhere with a low battery condition). I leave raise to wake also on. I know these will suck battery, but that is how I insist on using the watch. To conserve other power, I turn off WiFi and NFC. Not much else I can do.
i don't really care about battery life that much, as long as I can get through a typical day. Charging once a day is fine with me. I have been doing it for many years with the Moto 360 1, Moto 360 2, and S3. I just hope it does wear out the battery too soon (as in, diminished capacity).
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I must confess I've never really understood the need for AOD as long as the wrist gesture to wake works properly (which admittedly hasn't always been the case) - and I'll take the extra battery life with it off any day over any real or perceived inconvenience of turning your wrist to see the time.
I haven't yet been able to fully determine how well it works on the GW4, but on the Gear S3 it was perfectly fine, so I am expecting it to be at least as good.
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I must confess I've never really understood the need for AOD as long as the wrist gesture to wake works properly (which admittedly hasn't always been the case)
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In my case, I often look at my watch at times I don't want to perform an obvious gesture, like in a meeting, or in front of someone. I want to be able to look at the screen anytime, in any circumstance, like a "real" watch.
Also, just vanity, but.... I went to all the expense and fuss to get a classic-looking watch- round, silver, pretty, matching band, fancy classic watch face, to look like a "real" watch, and "real" watches have an always-on display. I have fooled many, many people over the many years, who had no idea I was wearing a smart watch.
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In my case, I often look at my watch at times I don't want to perform an obvious gesture, like in a meeting, or in front of someone. I want to be able to look at the screen anytime, in any circumstance, like a "real" watch.
Also, just vanity, but.... I went to all the expense and fuss to get a classic-looking watch- round, silver, pretty, matching band, fancy classic watch face, to look like a "real" watch, and "real" watches have an always-on display. I have fooled many, many people over the many years, who had no idea I was wearing a smart watch.
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That's fair enough.
AOD is a sure great feature but it has a pretty huge impact on the battery as opposed to what some saying that it only consume few % of battery. In my testing it consumed 20% every 6 hours, and i could definitely feel the difference AOD on and AOD off.
Since my daily routine include a workout session and since I use sleep tracking, I am afraid that my daily routine can't be compatibile with AOD. It's a annoying not to be able to use the watch to full capacity and having to make choice between fancy look and fitness.
Hope they will be able to improve battery life with updates...
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AOD is a sure great feature but it has a pretty huge impact on the battery as opposed to what some saying that it only consume few % of battery. In my testing it consumed 20% every 6 hours, and i could definitely feel the difference AOD on and AOD off.
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It will vary a LOT depending on which watch face. Probably why most faces have light indicators on a dark background. Also, some faces have a much "simpler" mode when in dim/inactive mode. But yes, it will consume a lot of battery compared to AOD off, unless the dim/inactive mode is very simple and dim. But if it is too simple/dim, it might not even worth having AOD on.
Watchmaker has a feature which shows how many pixels are on with each face, both in active and standby mode. Can be useful. Plus you can edit the face to turn whatever part of the face you want off in dim/standby mode to help save power. The face I am using now, I turned off the logo, always, and the second hand and some of the background off in standby/dim mode.
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It will vary a LOT depending on which watch face. Probably why most faces have light indicators on a dark background. Also, some faces have a much "simpler" mode when in dim/inactive mode. But yes, it will consume a lot of battery compared to AOD off, unless the dim/inactive mode is very simple and dim. But if it is too simple/dim, it might not even worth having AOD on.
Watchmaker has a feature which shows how many pixels are on with each face, both in active and standby mode. Can be useful. Plus you can edit the face to turn whatever part of the face you want off in dim/standby mode to help save power. The face I am using now, I turned off the logo, always, and the second hand and some of the background off in standby/dim mode.
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Thanks for the tips!