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Hello everyone. I have recently purchased an HTC One S, and I have found this issues about it, let´s see of they have some solution:
-Very few free Ram. After starting it, I only have 200 MB free Ram. Is it normal?, Can it be increased?, Am I going to have problems running some ram demanding games?, For the moment, I have run shadow gun and it works flawlessly. It is strange mostly when you see that a Desire has the same amount of free ram, having only a total of 512 MB, One S has 1 GB, where did it go?, other phones with 1 GB of Ram have 400 MB or more free ram, like xperia S, Galaxy S and so on... Is it a problem of ICS, Sense, or both?....
-The launcher keeps reloading for some seconds after running some big apps, like games, internet heavy pages and things like that. It seems that the system runs out of memory, maybe because of the first issue, and unloads the sense launcher. Can it be avoid someway, without having to root or to install custom roms?
-Calendar: let´s see if I can explain this one. We have a setting that marks the amount of minutes that we want the phone to notify us of an event in the calendar. Let´s say we have 15 minutes. Then If I create an event at 10:00 for instance, the phone will notify me at 9:45, ok?, the problem is about the postpone option. When I choose to postpone, it won´t notify me again. The problem is that the phone won´t notify you again when the real time of the event comes. The phone has a time to notify you again after having postponed of 15 minutes, so if you have the delay of the event set to 15 minutes, it would notify you 15 minutes later if you postpone it, but then the real time will be over, so it doesn´t notify you. The only way that it can notify you after postponing is to set the delay at 30 minutes or more, then if you pospone it, after 15 minutes it will advise you again.
This was different in other phones, and better from my point of view. In Diamond it was set to 5 minutes between postpones.. HD2 was 1 minute, and desire is 10 minutes. So, do you know an easy way to change this so I can be notified 5 minutes later after posponing an event?.
-Memory Android control behavior, I mean, multitasking is almost non-existent. You can go home from some apps, but sometimes the SO closes them without telling you anything, so when you go back to them, you don´t go to the point where you left it. For example, I open the manual of HTC One S in PDF, I start reading it, pass some pages, then go home and do some other tasks, when I come back to the manual, I am not taken to the last page I was in. The same with some games and other apps. Gladdly it does not seem to be happening with word or other apps that have an open and edited file, fortunatly....
Well, these are the main problems I see about the phone. The other things are great, apart from the micro arc oxidation problem that I see unacceptable, but this is another subject different from software ones..... It is a pity it has these issues, because the phone is the best one in the market right now, in my opinion, the camera is fast and great, the screen is britght and sharp....
Best regards.
Any ideas or help about any of these problems?.
Best regards.
O man, this post is really long. Lol. Ill bookmark it and read tomorrow - try to offer some help
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maybe all that has to do with the small amount of memory available for the phone to use.
i too had only about 170Mb available ram with no apps running except a battery and the usual HTC sense. I was getting similar symptoms as you do, and i suspect that the phone may be closing your apps to allow htc sense to keep on running smoothly. I cannot find an answer to that though. i sold mine for various reasons
So referring to problems 1,2 and 4... that is normal and all due to the internal management of free ram. I read somewhere in the settings that 90mbyte is the ram the system should keep free. so basically you have 80 mb of free ram (starting from 170MB total free space which is normal) before the systems start to close apps in the background. Using ram hungry apps will fill this up fast and therefore close other apps or even close sense. I to think that the HOS is a little bit harsh on closing apps...
If you install one of the ICS Ports (Miui, CM9, AOKP) you have around 400 mb free ram. So basically it is Sense which is eating your space. And to answer your last question without rooting and using a custom rom there is nothing you can change about those things.
One X users have the same issues with multitasking, and HTC official answer is that they tweaked ICS memory management for a "good sense experience"...
So, it seems that despite being toned down visually and being incredibly improved, Sense 4.0 is still having the ethernal same issue of ressourse hog... =\
So as you all say, it is quite sure that the problem is with sense. They say that they do this in order to have a "good sense experience", but I don´t see a "good sense experience" to have th sense continously reloading, grrrrr.......
Anyway.... let´s hope they solve this with an update or something, maybe we should all write htc to make presure so they solve this, don´t you think?.
What can you tell about point 3?, did you experience it too?.
Best regards.
no multitasking on t-mo
See thread "where is multitasking". The problem is with sense. Non T-mo devices received update that fixed this. T-mobile device still have this problem and since it is up to the carrier, not HTC, we might get update in months
This issue with killing application in the background just minutes you were out of of it is insane. None of the tech review website caught this in their 5 pages reviews a month ago. People just now are finding these issues.
I am patiently waiting for CM9 Beta or official release to install it. I have used sense for a month now and it is a struggle, there are so many issues, including the one with patents for "association" where you open a link for a video and loads in a browser instead of the app, and is not just with videos.
Honestly if I knew there so many "little" issues I would hold my problem free Google Nexus One sacrificing only 3G vs 4G and lower processor speed.
Sense is not as productive as Stock Android.
So you mean that there is already an update for One series?, I don´t see any update download in the web page of HTC. Mine is orange, hope they will release it soon. This thing about apps closing and sense reloading is starting to anoy me. As you say, no review talked about this when they released them.
Another issue that anoys me a lot is that when you have a long queue of songs in the music player, it doesn´t remember the song you where playing after been several hours without using it. This didn´t happen to me in the whole lot of mobiles I had, diamond, hd2, and even old nokias......
This phone is asking for an update urgently, I am afraid..... I don´t say that I wouldn´t have bought it if I knew all this, but I would have thought it better....
Best regards.
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See thread "where is multitasking". The problem is with sense. Non T-mo devices received update that fixed this. T-mobile device still have this problem and since it is up to the carrier, not HTC, we might get update in months
This issue with killing application in the background just minutes you were out of of it is insane. None of the tech review website caught this in their 5 pages reviews a month ago. People just now are finding these issues.
I am patiently waiting for CM9 Beta or official release to install it. I have used sense for a month now and it is a struggle, there are so many issues, including the one with patents for "association" where you open a link for a video and loads in a browser instead of the app, and is not just with videos.
Honestly if I knew there so many "little" issues I would hold my problem free Google Nexus One sacrificing only 3G vs 4G and lower processor speed.
Sense is not as productive as Stock Android.
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Yes, people with non carrier branded phones reported updates on engadget.com. T-mobile, Orange, etc will get it months down the road. Me, not happy with this. The development community is asking for kernel code to fix a custom rom, like CM9 and fix these issues for good. I suggest, add HTC USA, HTC UK, HTC world on facebook and post a comment about kernel release code, update, etc. in a kindly manner. They do respond, at least to me. Email them thru HTCdev.com also.
DrJ76 said:
So you mean that there is already an update for One series?, I don´t see any update download in the web page of HTC. Mine is orange, hope they will release it soon. This thing about apps closing and sense reloading is starting to anoy me. As you say, no review talked about this when they released them.
Another issue that anoys me a lot is that when you have a long queue of songs in the music player, it doesn´t remember the song you where playing after been several hours without using it. This didn´t happen to me in the whole lot of mobiles I had, diamond, hd2, and even old nokias......
This phone is asking for an update urgently, I am afraid..... I don´t say that I wouldn´t have bought it if I knew all this, but I would have thought it better....
Best regards.
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Do you know the improvements that the update will have?, you say that multitasking would be fixed, what about the sense reloading problem?.
Do you know if the update will delete anything or it is safe to install it?.
Besst regards.
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Yes, people with non carrier branded phones reported updates on engadget.com. T-mobile, Orange, etc will get it months down the road. Me, not happy with this. The development community is asking for kernel code to fix a custom rom, like CM9 and fix these issues for good. I suggest, add HTC USA, HTC UK, HTC world on facebook and post a comment about kernel release code, update, etc. in a kindly manner. They do respond, at least to me. Email them thru HTCdev.com also.
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I have no idea how each wireless carrier will customize their version of the update. To my knowledge OTA updates for the last 2 1/2 years did not delete anything.
I am not developer or anyhting. I never installed a ROM etc, but I can't stand Sense and these carrier delays with OTA updates. I am coming from Google Nexus One -(HTC),purchased straight from google 2+ years ago, where updates were distributed months before the carriers got theirs if any. CM9 for ICS will get me closer to this pure android experience.
DrJ76 said:
Do you know the improvements that the update will have?, you say that multitasking would be fixed, what about the sense reloading problem?.
Do you know if the update will delete anything or it is safe to install it?.
Besst regards.
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Hello again. I have just installed the update from orange, 1.78.75.5, and this is my first impresion:
-2 new apps, daily motion, that basically has videos and trailers, and TV, which I am not able to use because is only for orange clients, and I am a movistar user, using my sim car in an free orange one S.
-Some new animated backgorunds, very ugly in my humble opinion.
-More free RAM, not many, but some more, after restarting I have 231 MB, but after moving through the different desktops and loading the widgets for SMS, contacts, favorites, galery and so on... I have 187 Mb of RAM, when before I had about 160 MB of RAM.
-The reloading of sense is still happening after playing with shadow gun, and I am not taken to the last position where I left it if I come back to it. Anyway, I assume that this game is too big, almost 160 MB of RAM, so I can live with it, I guess the reloads will be less frequent now. I have tried blood and glory, another big game, and press home button didn´t reload the sense, so I guess it is OK for me.
-I am not sure about this, but I have the impression that 3G is better now, I can browse the web near my home, when before the update I couldn´t.
Best regards and thanks for your support.
Ok, you may have seen me asking questions about the Note in the last couple days.. and today I ventured out and actually bought one
A grey 16gb wi-fi model.
So now, I have a couple of questions I wanted to ask before I started installing lots of apps onto this thing!
First off, I have been looking into the JB stuff, which is one of the main reasons I wanted the Note. It seems that this is not out in the UK yet (or anywhere except Germany?) but there are ways to root the Note and install it...
Except it seems these (and every other ROM) are all designed for only the 8000 model? Which *I believe* is the wifi+3G model...
1 - So does this mean I cant use many custom roms? As they seem to be designed for the 8000? or is this irrelevent?
(I did find this thread about it http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1982821 except it seems that the JB install makes the battery drain around 3 hours quicker than it should? OR is this standard for jellybean? (seems strange)
2 - Alternatively, is it recommended just to wait for the official JB release. Seems its expected any day now, though who knows when that would be in reality.
3 - Something I was curious about... has any of the custom roms managed to keep the samsung ability to have multiview/dualview etc? Or do they just revert you to a customised version of standard Android?
4 - Anything that its recommended I do first, or install first, before I get going? Full battery charge would seem an idea, though I think I need to drain the battery first... Been a long time since my iPad was new, cant remember the right ways to do things anymore.
nirurin said:
Ok, you may have seen me asking questions about the Note in the last couple days.. and today I ventured out and actually bought one
A grey 16gb wi-fi model.
So now, I have a couple of questions I wanted to ask before I started installing lots of apps onto this thing!
First off, I have been looking into the JB stuff, which is one of the main reasons I wanted the Note. It seems that this is not out in the UK yet (or anywhere except Germany?) but there are ways to root the Note and install it...
Except it seems these (and every other ROM) are all designed for only the 8000 model? Which *I believe* is the wifi+3G model...
1 - So does this mean I cant use many custom roms? As they seem to be designed for the 8000? or is this irrelevent?
(I did find this thread about it http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1982821 except it seems that the JB install makes the battery drain around 3 hours quicker than it should? OR is this standard for jellybean? (seems strange)
2 - Alternatively, is it recommended just to wait for the official JB release. Seems its expected any day now, though who knows when that would be in reality.
3 - Something I was curious about... has any of the custom roms managed to keep the samsung ability to have multiview/dualview etc? Or do they just revert you to a customised version of standard Android?
4 - Anything that its recommended I do first, or install first, before I get going? Full battery charge would seem an idea, though I think I need to drain the battery first... Been a long time since my iPad was new, cant remember the right ways to do things anymore.
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1) There are usually tweaks that allow you to use the ROM, even if your device isn't the 8000. Keep in mind that those roms have telephony services, and will be looking for a 3G signal (unless disabled).
2) If you are staying stock I recommend waiting. If not, flash CM10. It's lovely!
3) It depends on if it is stock based or AOSP/CM based. Stock based roms retain all of the original functionality, but adds speed, animation, theme, and other misc tweaks. AOSP based roms lose all of the Samsung Touchwiz specific functionality (Multi-window, S apps), but give you a pure android experience and look. Of course, CM also has a cool theme chooser!
4) I believe you should charge it first, but others will correct me if I am mistaken
Enjoy your awesome new Note!
Jonphinguyen7 said:
1) There are usually tweaks that allow you to use the ROM, even if your device isn't the 8000. Keep in mind that those roms have telephony services, and will be looking for a 3G signal (unless disabled).
2) If you are staying stock I recommend waiting. If not, flash CM10. It's lovely!
3) It depends on if it is stock based or AOSP/CM based. Stock based roms retain all of the original functionality, but adds speed, animation, theme, and other misc tweaks. AOSP based roms lose all of the Samsung Touchwiz specific functionality (Multi-window, S apps), but give you a pure android experience and look. Of course, CM also has a cool theme chooser!
4) I believe you should charge it first, but others will correct me if I am mistaken
Enjoy your awesome new Note!
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1) Its nice that I have the options to play with it then, I'm sure there are ways to disable the 3G search. I was tempted to get it, but it didnt seem worth the extra £100+ (I got my note on an offer)
2) I assume I can flash CM10 while I wait, and return to stock when it is released? I'm only used to iOS jailbreaking, where you can always return to stock easily... I'd assumed this would work in a similar way?
3) It would be a shame to lose out on the samsung stuff... I'm not hooked on touchWiz or anything, but the multi-window stuff in the new JB update looked pretty snazzy. Of course in a years time I may change to pure android roms, if only to keep updated (I expect samsung will stop making their own updates soon enough)
4) I plugged it in briefly, saw it already had half a charge, and so unplugged it ... I cant remember if I should charge it to full first, then discharge it to 0%... or run it flat then charge it to full. Or if it makes no difference at all. Curse you technology!!
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5) Any recommended apps? I assume I can chuck on AVG or similar, is there anything specific I should use for backups etc?
All Android devices seem to have a real problem if you truly run the battery down to 0. I would say, get it close, but not to the point of dying.
As far as the German JB ROM, there's a patch to disable the phone stuff. I'm running it on a WiFi only 8013 and it's fine. Just read everything you can. Read the threads from the first page to the last.
Frankly, I've always been a custom ROM kind of guy. But the multi-view stuff is just so awesome, especially the JB version, that I'm sticking with stock. Changed the launcher, but sticking with stock.
midas69 said:
All Android devices seem to have a real problem if you truly run the battery down to 0. I would say, get it close, but not to the point of dying.
As far as the German JB ROM, there's a patch to disable the phone stuff. I'm running it on a WiFi only 8013 and it's fine. Just read everything you can. Read the threads from the first page to the last.
Frankly, I've always been a custom ROM kind of guy. But the multi-view stuff is just so awesome, especially the JB version, that I'm sticking with stock. Changed the launcher, but sticking with stock.
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Thanks for this. As it is getting late already, and I have work tomorrow, I may just stick to the ICS for now and get a couple basic apps and have a play around. You never know, the update may turn up!
I would just go for the JB one tonight, but I will need to find a step-by-step guide to help me, as I only have experience with the iOS jailbreaking process.
midas69 said:
All Android devices seem to have a real problem if you truly run the battery down to 0. I would say, get it close, but not to the point of dying.
As far as the German JB ROM, there's a patch to disable the phone stuff. I'm running it on a WiFi only 8013 and it's fine. Just read everything you can. Read the threads from the first page to the last.
Frankly, I've always been a custom ROM kind of guy. But the multi-view stuff is just so awesome, especially the JB version, that I'm sticking with stock. Changed the launcher, but sticking with stock.
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How is ur battery life on this rom, just got this tab a few days ago .thanks.
mankoorb said:
How is ur battery life on this rom, just got this tab a few days ago .thanks.
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It was better with ICS. But it's still pretty good. Last week I watched 4½ hours of video and still had about 52% battery life left. It seems like every version of Android they come out with gets slightly worse with regards to battery life. But in this case I think the extras that JB adds makes it a worthwhile tradeoff. In JB the difference seems to come from the addition of Google Now. I'm tempted to turn it off since I really don't use it other than to shut up iPhone users
After some research, it seems rooting is even more complicated than I first thought... because of the "binary counter" that samsung now has on their devices.
It seems that you can reset this counter, but I think it would only be sensible to road-test the tablet as stock first, in case it has any obvious faults that need to be sorted under warranty...
Although I do hate being sensible.
Same. I usually stay stock/un-rooted for about a month.. or two.. then I can't help it and just want to root and do other stuff. But for now, I have all that I really need for my Note at the moment without needing to root.
nirurin said:
After some research, it seems rooting is even more complicated than I first thought... because of the "binary counter" that samsung now has on their devices.
It seems that you can reset this counter, but I think it would only be sensible to road-test the tablet as stock first, in case it has any obvious faults that need to be sorted under warranty...
Although I do hate being sensible.
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hahaha, I felt the same way. I actually bought mine about a week before the Nexus 10 official announcement. I wanted to wait to make a decision on whether to keep the Note or send it back and get the Nexus 10. I was going to wait to root until I heard the full details and made the decision.
I was rooted about 2 hours after I took it home :laugh:
I hope your resolve lasts longer than mine did.
I rooted immediately, I have SG3 & 2, and I still have the galaxy 10.1 running a jb Rom. Guess I should of played with stock a little more, but really wanna see how the development is.
mankoorb said:
I rooted immediately, I have SG3 & 2, and I still have the galaxy 10.1 running a jb Rom. Guess I should of played with stock a little more, but really wanna see how the development is.
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I'd be happy with stock (for a while at least), if the current stock was the jellybean update lol.
I will attempt to keep myself entertained with the differences between my old iPad1 and this fancy new tablet, and hope that distracts me until samsung release the UK JB.
Hope its soon!
Strange how Germany got it first... and as far as I know is the only place to get it? and that was 3 weeks ago now. Odd.
Apparently you got your wish... JB for UK dropped today, unfortunately for all you guys with wifi only, you seem to be the redheaded freckle faced kid in the shade that can't come out to play because its for the 3g model only again....
Personally, I'd root that sucker and try the new JB update.... You won't be disappointed....
Well I have a 3G model but I am from India so no update yet for me so kind of sucks
ultramag69 said:
Apparently you got your wish... JB for UK dropped today, unfortunately for all you guys with wifi only, you seem to be the redheaded freckle faced kid in the shade that can't come out to play because its for the 3g model only again....
Personally, I'd root that sucker and try the new JB update.... You won't be disappointed....
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Yeh, I was initially tempted by the 3G model... But it would have been over £100 more expensive, plus a monthly subscription for data, and just isn't worth it.
Although its frustrating that Samsung will probably now wait another month before updating the wifi model... I don't think Germany even has it yet?
Couldn't you buy it outright? Then its up to you to either buy a plan, prepaid sim or use as a wifi model.... I personally prefer to get the 3g model simply because there may come a time when I need to use it.
I have a few 3g tablets, note 10.1, galaxy tab 7" and Acer Iconia A501.... Not all of these have sim cards but the potential is there if needed....
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Couldn't you buy it outright? Then its up to you to either buy a plan, prepaid sim or use as a wifi model.... I personally prefer to get the 3g model simply because there may come a time when I need to use it.
I have a few 3g tablets, note 10.1, galaxy tab 7" and Acer Iconia A501.... Not all of these have sim cards but the potential is there if needed....
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Well yes, but thats the point I was making... to buy it outright would have cost me an extra £100, and I simply dont have that much money to throw away.
If I was going to make a lot of use out of it, then fine... but I doubt I will. If I need internet on the move, I have my GalaxyS2,
Or, if for some reason I need internet on the move *specifically* on my tablet... I have my GalaxyS2 and tethering.
Saving myself over £100 means... well that £100 has bought me a really nice case, a 64GB microSD card, and a 4-in-1 adaptor for using USB/miniUSB/SD cards with the Note. And I still have £30 left over!
More than worth it, in my book. Just a shame we have t wait for the darned JB update so I can actually use the 64gb stick!
This is what I did to get my S4 (tested on 3 phones) running stock ROM without any stuttering.
Phones/Network: 1 Koodo unlocked on Bell Network, 1 Telus running on Telus, 1 Bell running on Bell.
Root: All phones rooted
Network: LTE disabled, search for Wi-Fi Disabled
Removed or Frozen apps with Titanium Backup (paid version)
Chaton - Frozen
City Video - Frozen
Commande Blurb - Frozen
Courriel - I suppose this is the basic email samsung app but with a french name - Frozen (I Use K-9)
EpsonPrintService - Frozen
GPS Navigator - Frozen
HP Print Service - Frozen
Knox Store - Frozen
Polaris Office - Frozen
S Calendar - Frozen
S Memo - Frozen
S Note Provider - Frozen
S Traducteur(probably S Translate for most of you) - Frozen
S Voice - Frozen
Samsung Apps - Frozen
Samsung Apps Widget - Frozen
Samsung books - Frozen
Samsung Games - Frozen
Samsung Hub - Frozen
Samsung Knox - Frozen
Samsung Learning - Frozen
Samsun Link - Frozen
Samsung Watchon - Frozen
Samsung hubupdater - Frozen
TalkBack - Frozen
I also removed all third party apps like these:
Google apps: Removed (Books, music, movie, etc), I kept Play, Maps, Gmail and Search
All Yahoo apps - Removed
Flipboard - Removed
Facebook - Removed
Twitter - Removed
All crappy S4 features (eyes, movement/gestures, etc) are turned OFF
I run S-Health 24/24
I only kept 1 app from Bell, the one giving me informations about what I used (data plan and voice plan)
I dont know anything about making custom ROMs. Those settings give me a great Android experience with my S4. I have no explanation regarding why I froze or removed those apps.
I tried 2 of the most popular ROMs on XDA an none of them could match my stock settings (except for battery life, it was a little better than what I had with my settings using Goldeneye and a custom kernel).
Background:
Programmer (and teacher)
Network Admin (Linux and Microsoft)
Technician
My point: Those who experience lag/stuttering should look deeper into Touch Wiz. The worst experience I ever had with my S4 was with a highly popular ROM on XDA. It was suppose to be fast. Well, it wasnt for me and a few others.
Hi there
I am realtively new to Galaxy S4 and its been forever since my G1 (had Apples in between)
But forgive me for this question - where exactly do you see a lag with those apps enabled?
I have messaging frozen as I use GOSMS to avoid random "multi sms" messages and the AT&T stuff just to remove the clutter of duplicate applications that are already provided
I am not sure where to look for lag on the GS4 - I would not think freezing dormant apps would give a performance boost.
I can understand freezing a CPU heavy app giving back performance.
I can understand adjusting kernel settings (caching for example) to reclaim performance
Is it the opening/closing of folders or a particular app that stutters?
if you can point me to something, perhaps I can fix it or agree that freezing apps does resolve the issue.
atari800 said:
Hi there
I am realtively new to Galaxy S4 and its been forever since my G1 (had Apples in between)
But forgive me for this question - where exactly do you see a lag with those apps enabled?
I have messaging frozen as I use GOSMS to avoid random "multi sms" messages and the AT&T stuff just to remove the clutter of duplicate applications that are already provided
I am not sure where to look for lag on the GS4 - I would not think freezing dormant apps would give a performance boost.
I can understand freezing a CPU heavy app giving back performance.
I can understand adjusting kernel settings (caching for example) to reclaim performance
Is it the opening/closing of folders or a particular app that stutters?
if you can point me to something, perhaps I can fix it or agree that freezing apps does resolve the issue.
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Frozen those stuff won't make your GS4 faster
Frozen them because they are drinking your juice.
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Frozen those stuff won't make your GS4 faster
Frozen them because they are drinking your juice.
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Huh?
Freezing an APP wont make the GS4 faster - that I agree with
and I think what you meant to say was:
Freezing the apps because they are using up battery (juice?) - right?
If that is what you were saying then that doesnt make sense. That assumes that the more dormant applications on your phone, the shorter the battery life.
If I take out my battery and keep it out for an hour, a day, a week...and plug it back in I have the same apps.
I have the same apps regardless of power.
Is not about having a Faster phone is about having NO LAG. Even the faster ROM in this site lags sometimes. It is fast as hell, but you do get the occasional Lag.... The only way to have a Lag free experience in the S4 is by using the Google Edition rom.
What lag?! I am on SHOStock and have no lag. People act like this phone is a top of the line computer with the latest hardware available. It is a phone. It takes time to load certain things, especially if those things are not in the cached memory or in the RAM. I am tired of seeing these posts. A 1 to 2 second delay is nothing when the app is first opened. He'll, I am willing to bet that people with this "issue" use task killers or clear their RAM every 5 minutes. This is not an old Nokia. I swear I am going to start reporting people for posting about this subject. There is absolutely no unreasonable lag with this device when used and tweaked properly, even without root. I see no one else complaing about this on any other S4 forum. Are people just looking for a way to bash on Samsung through the AT&T section?
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What lag?! I am on SHOStock and have no lag. People act like this phone is a top of the line computer with the latest hardware available. It is a phone. It takes time to load certain things, especially if those things are not in the cached memory or in the RAM. I am tired of seeing these posts. A 1 to 2 second delay is nothing when the app is first opened. He'll, I am willing to bet that people with this "issue" use task killers or clear their RAM every 5 minutes. This is not an old Nokia. I swear I am going to start reporting people for posting about this subject. There is absolutely no unreasonable lag with this device when used and tweaked properly, even without root. I see no one else complaing about this on any other S4 forum. Are people just looking for a way to bash on Samsung through the AT&T section?
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I hear you my Brother i got 2 SG4 And the one, That's AT&T Stock Rom Odexed the way it came no lag at all and That's Stock one, The other is on My Deadly Venom SG4 which i still haven't released Deodex still working more stuff before i release it here and no type of lag at all so i'm with you on this one!:good:
Here's more apps to freeze if interested as posted from verizon s4 section: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=42351535#post42351535
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What lag?! I am on SHOStock and have no lag. People act like this phone is a top of the line computer with the latest hardware available. It is a phone. It takes time to load certain things, especially if those things are not in the cached memory or in the RAM. I am tired of seeing these posts. A 1 to 2 second delay is nothing when the app is first opened. He'll, I am willing to bet that people with this "issue" use task killers or clear their RAM every 5 minutes. This is not an old Nokia. I swear I am going to start reporting people for posting about this subject. There is absolutely no unreasonable lag with this device when used and tweaked properly, even without root. I see no one else complaing about this on any other S4 forum. Are people just looking for a way to bash on Samsung through the AT&T section?
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Really? You're going to report people who complain about the thing that literarily THOUSANDS of people complain about and that you still think is 'fake'? Every web site that I've read of people who were die hard iPhone users and finally switched to Android always mention that ONLY the Nexus/Google Edition phone did that for them. All others with their proprietary frameworks/skins were too laggy/slow compared to the iPhone.
So no, there is definitely 'unreasonable' lag.
There are two issues though, 1) people misuse the word lag 2) people are not all the same. Some are fine with 30fps being the minimum they need for smooth gameplay in games, some need 60fps 3) some don't know what to look for/have never experienced a 'no lag' device and thing that lag is normal
For me, I see it. Everything but an AOSP rom is too laggy for me.
There's not just lag as a problem. Also stutters are a problem as TW eats up so much ram sometimes that games sometimes need to start swapping (obviously very graphically intense games and only after 10+ minutes of gameplay)
So relax.
Doesn't disabling apps without root do the same as freezing with tb
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I am still looking for a lag
I just googled "samsung galaxy lag" and it seems that the billionth of a second delay from open an app and going to the home screen is the issue. And doing it a million times in a row. Really? Is that it?
My goodness I am looking for applications that stutter or dialing a telephone number and the digits are sticking or an application partially opening- a delay of a second or 2- then it finishing loading
If this is what THOUSANDS of people are complaining about they have way too much time on their hands. That is just like complaining about how fast a toilet flushes.
Wow no wonder I didnt notice it. I was looking THROUGH the issue
I am happy with what I got - its fast, I can call people, I can play a game while waiting for a beer, I can take a picture of boobs, I can text people, and I can get directions. The phone accomplishes what I want it to do
Like I said before. People act like his is a full blown, top of the line computer with stupid fast SSD's in it and a ton of RAM. The 1 second delay between me clicking the phone icon and it loading is not an issue. It is not lag. That is what happens when it is not sitting in the memory and it has to load up. The need for Instant satisfaction is what drives me crazy with you people. That delay that everyone gets from clicking the home button is from SVoice waiting for the second click. That is not lag. That is a necessity for it to run properly.
The reason I want to report people is because they are over exaggerating a non issue, and I am tired of seeing these posts that accomplish nothing and contribute nothing. I have seen many of the same exact thread cluttering the forum.
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Like I said before. People act like his is a full blown, top of the line computer with stupid fast SSD's in it and a ton of RAM. The 1 second delay between me clicking the phone icon and it loading is not an issue. It is not lag. That is what happens when it is not sitting in the memory and it has to load up. The need for Instant satisfaction is what drives me crazy with you people. That delay that everyone gets from clicking the home button is from SVoice waiting for the second click. That is not lag. That is a necessity for it to run properly.
The reason I want to report people is because they are over exaggerating a non issue, and I am tired of seeing these posts that accomplish nothing and contribute nothing. I have seen many of the same exact thread cluttering the forum.
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It's a non issue to you. Fine, move on. Don't even click on threads that mention the word lag.
It's a huge issue to others. You guys seem to fail to notice my comparison to iPhone and it's smoothness. iPhone is still ahead of Android in terms of UI smoothness. So yes these are phones and not super computers. But the iPhone can be smoothers with half the ram, so no, the S4 nor any other android gets a pass because it's "just a phone"
Likewise nobody is mentioning a millionth of a second delay as the issue. Atari you threw those numbers out. I see a 1 second to 2 second delays sometimes when I swipe app drawers. When I wake my phone is takes 2-3 seconds for the samsung clock widget to update.
Likewise there is stutter in games. AOSP roms don't have it, stock TW has it. I imagine it's the fact that TW uses double the RAM that an AOSP rom uses (1.2gb vs 600mb on my AOSP) which obviously is 600mb less for the app to have. That is just BLOATWARE. Horrible ineffecient bloated programming. There is no excuse for a PHONE with TWO GB of RAM in 2013 to have issues with running out of RAM.
With that logic and the amount of people on XDA and other Android modification sites, there should still be absolutely no issue. User error is the main reason for this so called lag.
Root the thing and tweak the crap out of it. Put a custom ROM on it. Hell, there is a ton of things you can do on stock without root to reduce lag.
I use a TW based custom ROM. I experience no lag that causes any problems. Although, I have taken the time to tweak and tune my system from the ground up. I even did it on the stock MDL firmware that came with my phone and have no issues with that. What some people think is lag is actually loading times. It will ALWAYS be there. I am not saying that there is no hiccups from time to time. But it is not nearly as unbearable as people have let on. What some people don't understand is that no OS is going to be perfect. I think that even Windows phone has a better UI than both Android and iOS. It is so smooth. But, there is still loading times to take into account details the slight hiccups that may happen due to the device clearing RAM for another app. No one ever takes that into account.
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With that logic and the amount of people on XDA and other Android modification sites, there should still be absolutely no issue. User error is the main reason for this so called lag.
Root the thing and tweak the crap out of it. Put a custom ROM on it. Hell, there is a ton of things you can do on stock without root to reduce lag.
I use a TW based custom ROM. I experience no lag that causes any problems. Although, I have taken the time to tweak and tune my system from the ground up. I even did it on the stock MDL firmware that came with my phone and have no issues with that. What some people think is lag is actually loading times. It will ALWAYS be there. I am not saying that there is no hiccups from time to time. But it is not nearly as unbearable as people have let on. What some people don't understand is that no OS is going to be perfect. I think that even Windows phone has a better UI than both Android and iOS. It is so smooth. But, there is still loading times to take into account details the slight hiccups that may happen due to the device clearing RAM for another app. No one ever takes that into account.
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I am a first time android phone user, coming from 7+ years of i phones and I can honestly say that I have not noticed a "lag" or difference in smoothness coming from i phones. I am loving the S4 and can't see myself going back to an i phone.
Just my experience, you would think from reading some of these threads that ALL of the S4's are "laggy" or slow....just wanted to give my experience with it, it may be different for others.
iOS (any version) has a custom build for each device. You cannot take the iOS 6.13 for iPhone 5 and apply it on an iPad 3. They each have their own builds that exploit each devices capabilities to the maximum. Android on the other hand has 1 core OS build that each manufacturer either tweaks or adds bloat ware or whatever .... And there in lies the problem.
Sure SOMEONE could make a custom build for a SG4 that is specifically tweaks for the quad core CPU, it's ram, disk size/speed, etc. and make it run like water but take that same image a plop it on another phone and that performance is gone.
Now I can honestly say I don't have a1 second delay or a 2-3 delay anywhere, with exception to a game that is loading and those usually have a progress bar showing that there is activity.
Trying to help here - could it be that your lag is caused by the removal of 1 too many "bloat wares"? Possibly something is required or expected and you lag is just a timeout waiting for "program x" to respond???
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With that logic and the amount of people on XDA and other Android modification sites, there should still be absolutely no issue. User error is the main reason for this so called lag.
Root the thing and tweak the crap out of it. Put a custom ROM on it. Hell, there is a ton of things you can do on stock without root to reduce lag.
I use a TW based custom ROM. I experience no lag that causes any problems. Although, I have taken the time to tweak and tune my system from the ground up. I even did it on the stock MDL firmware that came with my phone and have no issues with that. What some people think is lag is actually loading times. It will ALWAYS be there. I am not saying that there is no hiccups from time to time. But it is not nearly as unbearable as people have let on. What some people don't understand is that no OS is going to be perfect. I think that even Windows phone has a better UI than both Android and iOS. It is so smooth. But, there is still loading times to take into account details the slight hiccups that may happen due to the device clearing RAM for another app. No one ever takes that into account.
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That's not your place. Deflate your ego. Ever heard of freedom of speech? It works like this; you seek out what you DO want and filter what you do NOT want. I
If you disagree that's cool bro. Stfu and go cry to your mom about it. Reporting threads will only make you a bigger ass, considering they're not breaking any forum or moral rules.
When the same exact topic has been posted and locked multiple times in the past, it is breaking forum rules. They were locked and deleted for a reason. Either it was an unnecessary thread or it ran way off topic. This thread is both. The topic has been discussed not only in this thread but in many others all leading to them being both unnecessary and running off the topic. With that said, it is spam. And I don't care about freedom of speech. I have just as much a right to tell someone to stfu about a long drawn out and irrelevant topic, as they do to start said topic.
I have explained how things work with the phone, I have explained how it handles its hardware and software. I have explained that the "lag" is because people are not doing things right on their device. There is nothing more to discuss here as everything has been answered. What you are doing is telling me that I need to just stop, and not even putting up a reasonable debate on what I have said. I have backed up everything that I have said. You have provided nothing. So you, sir, can kindly piss off. If you can't provide anything logical against my argument, you have no place to tell me what to do.
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When the same exact topic has been posted and locked multiple times in the past, it is breaking forum rules. They were locked and deleted for a reason. Either it was an unnecessary thread or it ran way off topic. This thread is both. The topic has been discussed not only in this thread but in many others all leading to them being both unnecessary and running off the topic. With that said, it is spam. And I don't care about freedom of speech. I have just as much a right to tell someone to stfu about a long drawn out and irrelevant topic, as they do to start said topic.
I have explained how things work with the phone, I have explained how it handles its hardware and software. I have explained that the "lag" is because people are not doing things right on their device. There is nothing more to discuss here as everything has been answered. What you are doing is telling me that I need to just stop, and not even putting up a reasonable debate on what I have said. I have backed up everything that I have said. You have provided nothing. So you, sir, can kindly piss off. If you can't provide anything logical against my argument, you have no place to tell me what to do.
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If your S4 does not lag then you have some special S4 or something or you just have never used an AOSP rom before. After coming back from pure AOSP the stutters become very apparent. Opening apps isn't the problem as they open up very fast (don't know why people say that) but its the stuttering in the launcher and the apps and stuff. Like when you switch to the widgets in the touchwizz drawer. It takes time and it stutters like a mofo. I had the HTC One and that is a phone that doesn't stutter at all when going through the app drawer and home screens. It also eat up like 900mb of RAM and has terrible battery life (I'm coming from AOSP Which has crazy battery life)...
If you have ever tried a AOSP Rom like Slimbean you should know what a smooth phone looks like. Anyways the S4 is still an Amazing phone that has really crazy features that no other phone has. If you dont mind the little Stutters all over the place then good for you :laugh: but if you're like me who doesn't understand How a S600 quad-core CPU lags then I don't know what to say. Just my 2 cents, don't want to be offending in any way
Have a good day :laugh:
I have had multiple devices and used every kind of ROM out there. I prefer TW on my Samsung devices and I prefer AOSP and the likes on HTC devices. Sense is horrible to me. I do like AOSP and similar ROMs because they are smooth and quick, but are boring after awhile. The reason I prefer TW is because it integrates features perfectly and the camera is much better as well. I have no actual problems with my phone on TW because I have taken the time to tweak and fine tune my system to perform with speed and conserve battery life. I can get 3 days on a full battery with moderate usage and get fairly high benchmark scores. Some of these people that complain are too lazy to even take basic steps to prevent issues. I go to varying extremes to make my stuff function how I want it to.
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I'm starting to see a recurring theme of basically zero support or information for this device. I've tried researching myself to basically no avail and it's starting to get a little upsetting.
The memory management on stock firmware of this device is pretty atrocious, and while I held off based on the rumour of knox being needed for samsung pay, I would do anything to make this device ACTUALLY hold apps in memory. As well as debloat the living hell out of touchwiz. But every rom I've looked at supports every device under the sun, aside the r4 variant.
Anyone have any information as to what needs to be done or what I can do on my side to maybe help change this? Or did I buy a device I'm going to regret until I replace it?
This isn't to say I don't appreciate the ROM developers out there, I do! I just wish that device releases didn't get so fractured like this. It's beyond me why there has to be 15 variants of one phone, aside a few different modems
Thanks so much for any information in advance
Differences in models are done meet the different needs of different networks with different radio requirements un their areas of coverage. Enjoy your S6 and wait for official updates via OTA or you can try flashing this:
http://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/download/48614/G920R4TYU2BOF7_G920R4USC2BOF7_USC/
I'm running 5.1.1. I still have apps rarely stay and touchwiz uses 70% of 3gb of ram out of the box, which seems a bit absurd. I was really hoping that update would do the trick, as per the lollipop memory issues. but it seems samsung's aggressive memory management is more the issue than anything.
Hi all,
i own a Tab S6 T860 (non-lte) for quite a while now, about 6 months.
There are some downsides like the horrible unbuffered screen tearing that you'll get with fast-scrolling, but the overall device is pretty premium-sided, and it's got a decent processor, a great display (color/resolution wise) although im missing 2160p in youtube.
Question is as i (until now) didnt bothered developing for a new device, since i had my hands full with the MiPad4, some alcatel devices and are Maintaining official LineageOS for three legacy devices, should i develop for this one if the community still wants it.
The lead-dev of the MiPad left it so im thinking about developing for the Tab S6 now.
I would only develop LineageOS, starting with 16.0 then doing 17.1 and then 18 but idk how long it would take, since ive no real knowledge of the newest platforms and how they are built, so i'd be reading/trying out stuff a LOT before some release nightlies. The "latest" i developed for was the MiPad4 with a sdm660 btw but i mainly do legacy (e.g 8953/8952/8926).
So please leave your feedback or any other opinions/questions, if we reach a decent amount of people who still want it i'll start right away when im back home from my vacations on 18th.
Best Regards!
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I would LOVE to have LOS on my Tab S6 (SM-T860) WiFi-only tablet!
Don't even care about stuff like fingerprint, external keyboard, Widevine, Bluetooth, any 'functionality' similar to what Samsung 'provides' like, you name it.
I've spent sooo much time, and a few dollars, trying to get preinstalled stuff to *not* work! but still be able to boot—Knox bull****, anyone?
And having telephony **** on my WiFi-only tablet, either. Something that has baffled me for years is why a 'custom' ROM for a Wifi-only device has software that trys to interact with nonexistent hardware, using up cpu as it continually tries...on a bit of a rant, there.
So yeah, I'm all in. FWIW, I helped write the instructions, and did a *lot* of testing for rooting the Tab S5e, so I ain't scared to test out stuff; check it out, here:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/tab-s5e/how-to/galaxy-tab-s5e-sm-t720-root-t3947806
TiTiB said:
I would LOVE to have LOS on my Tab S6 (SM-T860) WiFi-only tablet!
Don't even care about stuff like fingerprint, external keyboard, Widevine, Bluetooth, any 'functionality' similar to what Samsung 'provides' like, you name it.
I've spent sooo much time, and a few dollars, trying to get preinstalled stuff to *not* work! but still be able to boot—Knox bull****, anyone?
And having telephony **** on my WiFi-only tablet, either. Something that has baffled me for years is why a 'custom' ROM for a Wifi-only device has software that trys to interact with nonexistent hardware, using up cpu as it continually tries...on a bit of a rant, there.
So yeah, I'm all in. FWIW, I helped write the instructions, and did a *lot* of testing for rooting the Tab S5e, so I ain't scared to test out stuff; check it out, here:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/tab-s5e/how-to/galaxy-tab-s5e-sm-t720-root-t3947806
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Thanks for the info about the S5e, i was unaware of how well it is supported.
I would definitely do stuff like fingerprint, widevine, Bluetooth (PEN) and stuff.
But idk about those keyboards samsung offers and how they function since i cant test it on my own.
Same goes for the LTE but im pretty sure i can just use the same blobs.
BTW anyone has a firehose package for the tab s6 by chance???
I too would love LOS in this device. Samsung UI is cluttery, lagging (on mine), and an absolute mess. My PocoF1 gives me better Honkai Impact 3 (a gatcha action fighting game) performance than this tablet, and the poco is an SD845, with lite LOS. So yeah, I'd love to have this. My warranty is void anyways (because samsung decided so I haven't done a thing to void it), so it'd be great to have a reason to take advantage of that.
Chiming in for a plea to get a Lineage build for the Tab S6.
Such a gorgeous piece of hardware beset by such a ****ty software implementation. Why does Samsung insist on abusing its customers? I'd gladly pay for a Lineage or AOSP rom for our device.
Alright, a little update:
Kernel is done -> link found below
It has to be handled with care as of now. Installing it on my running rom resulted in a crash when unlocking the device. A quick factory reset fixed the problem but keep that in mind when installing this on your device.
Rom will follow up hopefully till next month - but i cant promise anything.
T-860:
https://dl.keksla.wtf/boot_t860.img
T-865:
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Thargorsson said:
Alright, a little update:
Kernel is done -> link found below
It has to be handled with care as of now. Installing it on my running rom resulted in a crash when unlocking the device. A quick factory reset fixed the problem but keep that in mind when installing this on your device.
Rom will follow up hopefully till next month - but i cant promise anything.
T-860:
https://dl.keksla.wtf/boot_t860.img
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i would love to have custom kernel for samsung rom, but i don mind if you can make enhancements to the kernel like under volt or to solve the graphics lagging issues. it was just tiny changes involved in the past to make it work for both stock and LineageOS but for android 10, i have no idea
i have long inactive in both rom and kernel developments and i doubt how long should it take to get familiar with changes from android 7 to 10
ps i am still on pie, too lazy to upgrade due to my csc is tgy, which lacks updates as usual, and i dont wanna reinstall everything as to switch to dbt and to re-enter all my passwords
btw, may i ask if the stock android 10 fixed the problem with fast scrolling? i have experiences lags and graphics distortions with the samsung browser which was way toooooo unacceptable for a top device like tab s6
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i would love to have custom kernel for samsung rom, but i don mind if you can make enhancements to the kernel like under volt or to solve the graphics lagging issues. it was just tiny changes involved in the past to make it work for both stock and LineageOS but for android 10, i have no idea
i have long inactive in both rom and kernel developments and i doubt how long should it take to get familiar with changes from android 7 to 10
ps i am still on pie, too lazy to upgrade due to my csc is tgy, which lacks updates as usual, and i dont wanna reinstall everything as to switch to dbt and to re-enter all my passwords
btw, may i ask if the stock android 10 fixed the problem with fast scrolling? i have experiences lags and graphics distortions with the samsung browser which was way toooooo unacceptable for a top device like tab s6
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nope, sadly we still suffer from those issues on Q .
I dont have any good knowledge of how to apply those undervolts as i never done it before (lineageos requires stock govenors for official) but if you can point me to the correct commits i can look at it
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nope, sadly we still suffer from those issues on Q .
I dont have any good knowledge of how to apply those undervolts as i never done it before (lineageos requires stock govenors for official) but if you can point me to the correct commits i can look at it
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oh...
there were some cpu/voltage tweaks for the same cpu before for my old devices. and for our tab s 6 there are a few devices with the same cpu like one plus. you can search the cpu model in github and then you can find the code name of it and those devices which use the same cpu. i used to get those tweaks for modifying kernels for my previous devices. however for our 855, sadly there's no port for the samsung devices afaik, so you may need to make some more changes in order to port them
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just found this one https://github.com/kdrag0n/proton_bluecross/releases
it should be a 855 with some oc according to the change log, but unfortunately i couldnt load the changes with my browser so i couldnt find the relevant commits
may be you can take a look at that
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Hi all,
i own a Tab S6 T860 (non-lte) for quite a while now, about 6 months.
There are some downsides like the horrible unbuffered screen tearing that you'll get with fast-scrolling, but the overall device is pretty premium-sided, and it's got a decent processor, a great display (color/resolution wise) although im missing 2160p in youtube.
Question is as i (until now) didnt bothered developing for a new device, since i had my hands full with the MiPad4, some alcatel devices and are Maintaining official LineageOS for three legacy devices, should i develop for this one if the community still wants it.
The lead-dev of the MiPad left it so im thinking about developing for the Tab S6 now.
I would only develop LineageOS, starting with 16.0 then doing 17.1 and then 18 but idk how long it would take, since ive no real knowledge of the newest platforms and how they are built, so i'd be reading/trying out stuff a LOT before some release nightlies. The "latest" i developed for was the MiPad4 with a sdm660 btw but i mainly do legacy (e.g 8953/8952/8926).
So please leave your feedback or any other opinions/questions, if we reach a decent amount of people who still want it i'll start right away when im back home from my vacations on 18th.
Best Regards!
Edit: Since theres no real telegram group, and i MAINLY talk via telegram i made one so you can contact me quickly.
https://t.me/joinchat/Bn6f-VKeQfZfiKXo69h3Mw
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I'm in at 17.1 level and up. Don't want to go back...
YES! Yes please please please! I have been dreaming and hoping LOS would come to the Tab S6 for SO long now. So yes, please make a rom for it. Please.
I would love to have LOS rom support on the Tab S6! The lack of Lineage OS support was the one thing holding me back from purchasing the Tab S6, compared to the Tab S5E, but I wanted the faster processor, storage, and larger memory capacity.
That said, if you develop a working LOS rom, that would be a huge win for all Tab S6 users!
I don't think there is a person on XDA with the tab S6 that would not want to see a custom lineage Rom built. I do want a working Spen though. Im on stock 10 One UI 2.5 and samsung is extremely slow at releasing the kernel source code for the 860. Its definitely worth it to use to build one if you can. Thanks for developing on the tab S6.
LOS for T-865 ?! Yes, absolutely
P.S: Working pen would be great of course.
Still On The Fence.
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LOS for T-865 ?! Yes, absolutely
P.S: Working pen would be great of course.
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I would support a ROM for this device, but I am leery about past issues and previous devices. I had 3 smp600 units, and all three were beaten to the edge with constant testing of all the ROMS I could grab. But, only ONE of those tabs choked on something from a pure LOS build. Then it hit a brick wall. I could never find a way past a Nov 18 build. So, now with two smt870 units, I will tread lightly. And, big question: WHY are we STILL stuck with ODIN for this process? I know nothing of the process of coding and writing these great ROMS, but having to drag out a WINDOWS laptop to update my android device seems like many steps backwards. I have no NEED for a laptop save for praying for Odin to even run properly. Wish there were better ways for us old farts who've forgotten more tricks than new ones have been taught. But, I am on board to get the Sammy off of my tab. Thanks for your errors.
;-DeanoD
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I would support a ROM for this device, but I am leery about past issues and previous devices. I had 3 smp600 units, and all three were beaten to the edge with constant testing of all the ROMS I could grab. But, only ONE of those tabs choked on something from a pure LOS build. Then it hit a brick wall. I could never find a way past a Nov 18 build. So, now with two smt870 units, I will tread lightly. And, big question: WHY are we STILL stuck with ODIN for this process? I know nothing of the process of coding and writing these great ROMS, but having to drag out a WINDOWS laptop to update my android device seems like many steps backwards. I have no NEED for a laptop save for praying for Odin to even run properly. Wish there were better ways for us old farts who've forgotten more tricks than new ones have been taught. But, I am on board to get the Sammy off of my tab. Thanks for your errors.
;-DeanoD
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Well if your not rooted you dont need odin you can install official release update. If you mean to install custom rom like lineage you again dont need odin after you install TWRP.
Actually, on debloated rooted stock ROM I don't see any problems so far..Device is holding it solid and sound.
Flavour of Lineage is absolutely welcome, but personaly I wouldn't use it because a lot of bugs and non functional addons.
Personally...this tablet without pen is like Ferrari without fuel.
Rooted debloated stock is miles ahead of Samsung's incompetent shadow apps. But even as stripped down as I can make it, the ROM still lags and burns battery in the background. I've tried everything and can't get this beautiful expensive piece of hardware to perform to its specs. I respect others who love it as is, but I've never gotten comfortable with the pen and just want a light, fast tablet with a beautiful screen that doesn't overtax its battery.
I'd switch to Lineage on this device in a heartbeat.
this project still alive? seems dead for me.