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The Touch Pro is a great phone. But some things can be improved.
I would like the communities help and will provide some of my own knowledge.
One of these problems is the camera and its video performance. Other phones using the same GFX chipset have been advertised to be able to do VGA (640x480) recording @ 30 FPS. The Raphael only does a maximum of QCIF (352x288) @ 25 FPS and even this drops to sometimes even 4 FPS in bad light conditions. Even videos made in maximum resolution lack a good bitrate and shows blocks (bad quality) when played back.
Taking things one step at a time I think we should try to improve the quality for the existing video mode. So I did some research on the forums. This is what I’ve found.
The way I see it is (even for pictures not only video) is that the camera switches to some kind of “night mode” as soon as it is pointed towards a dark area. This is automatic and happens by itself. We have to find some way to turn this off as it causes more problems than it solves. And no changing white balance from auto to something else does not help. I haven’t been able to find a solution for this so I need the communities help.
I’ve looked through the registry and found settings for bitrates and FPS. I’ve played with them and they don’t make any difference.
So does anyone have a solution to this “night mode” problem ? any ideas ? Once we solve this we can move on to solve the low bitrates problem.
All opinions are welcome.
I think the Touch Pro uses the same chipset as Xperia's X1a instead of the X1i's Qualcomm chipset. Probably one of those rolled of the same assemblely line but some got hardware options disabled.
In video recording, wish the camera would maintain fps instead of longer exposure time.
I just want to disable the low light compensation, the so called "night mode" because it sucks and thats what causes the camera slow down. Someone must be up to the task ?
Maybe we can rip the X1 camera software when it comes out ?
Without the drop in the FPS, there would not be enough light exposure to capture any discernable image. You would end up with 30fps of black screen. The CCD and image processor simply aren't strong enough to compensate, and I doubt there's any software fix available.
There was a temporary fix for the very same problem on the Kaiser. Go into camera mode turn the screen off for about 15 sec and turn it back on . A bug in the camera software would disable the low light compensation. The pictures and videos were darker but not completely black so to say. They were very viewable but the performance was super improved. The same bug does not exist in the Raphael. But there must be some way to turn it off.
StashCompInc what?! Almoste everyday I find new issues about htc latest ppcs :angry: .. so pitty..
Have you tried to contact Ateksoft? Let's hope that they will release something for the latest qualcomm devices
http://www.ateksoft.com/
They dont have any email on thier site. And any thing you ask them about their coolcamera software they dont reply. I wonder if there is a developer here that can create a new camera software ?
Im wondering about this problem as well. There must be a way to override this function.. the Cam is actually OK under wery bright light conditions. But as soon as it gets a litte darker, the cam is unusable. Ive noticed that if you change the whitebalance under some lighting conditions there is a small improvement. Still no fixes for this problem? you should think with the prosessor and the ram in this device there should be no problem getting the cam viewer to work properly..
We need a new camera software which supports video, 640*480 @ 30 FPS. Wonder if anyone on the forum can write one ?
But will that fix the choppy cam viewer? Or will it just make it worse? I saw somebody mention that the ccd chip just werent good enough. And that should suggest that this is a hardware issue. But if someone could provide us with a new cam software we would know for sure. or at least find a solution to override the nightmode it goes in to when dark or darker lighting conditions.
Yeah, CoolCamera is a software but does not work with the Raphael. Thier support does not answer questions for a new version update.
hmm. okey. Then all we can do is wait and see if perhaps somebody here in the forum maybe comes with a solution.
I dont think there will be, we had the same problem with the Kaiser and still no solution.
Thats a shame. I didnt buy this device cause of the cam. But when i notice that the cam actually functions good under some conditions, im just annoyed by the fact that its not optimized. i really cant se the problem in fixing this. But if the responce from HTC support is that the pro is not a multimedia device, end of story. Then it seems that we wont get any further with this.
Yeah I know but we dont have a choice. I need a device that does everything since I dont want to carry more than one device. And this seems to be the best bet.
Someone here should mod the CoolCamera Software or the HTC one or maybe make one completely new one.
I think you already know this, but the camera in TP is limited due to some patent issues in America. That's the reason why X1i(international) records better video than X1a(america). I believe it's the software which is limiting the video resolution and camera fps.
Do not expect anything better from HTC unless they make an european version of the device. Now it's the same device for all over the world.
So you also believe this to be a software issue rather than bad hardware? If so then somebody should be able to change the coolcamera software as mentioned before or to make fixes to the software thats allready in the TP. I also bought this product to get a sort off all in one device. And as said before, i didnt expect the cam to perform as good as my N95. But i did expect it to be usable. And as it is now, its really a pain in the ass. Now im seriously thinking about getting another device. And its a damn shame. Cause the TP i just a really beautiful and practical device..
That should not stop others (developers) from modding or porting a new camera software.
My old XDA IIi is able to record VGA video @12-15fps with CoolCamera whereas the maximum that can be achieved via HTC software is QVGA @15fps ! So, a piece of software can definitely help !
Yeah exactly and that phone is old by far. The Raphael has a lot more power just limited by video. Someone please write/hack (from another device X1 ?) a better camera software !!! I will pay for it if it has improvements !
I'm just curious, and still have not found the answer I was looking for via search.
Can the 1.3mp camera be replaced with a better a 5mp camera on the G Tablet?...
Assuming The hardware exists, and that it is compatible, is possible I am sure a new kernel is needed, what about the possibility of adding 720 recording like the hd2(android version) or the nexus one?
Any thoughts would be appreciated, and thanks in advance.
I would personally love to see the addition of a 5 or 8MP rear-facing camera. Yeah, I know it would involve some massive hardware hacking, but it would be a nice addition.
Is that pain and suffering really worth the upgrade? There would be no way to use the camera effectively because you would have to have you back to what you were shooting. My opinion would be to go buy an HD video camera for $150. Cheaper and easier than hacking your tablet up.
This is one thing that frustrates me about my G-tablet. I took some videos of the family out in the snow the other day and it was a real pain trying to capture the video since the camera only faces forward. The video turned out alright since we were outside and in good light. I've found that unless you are in really good lighting, the camera does not perform well. The quality didn't even compare to most of the devices that are out on the market now (latest Android 720p phones, iPhone/iPod Touch).
I'm looking forward to the NI Adam's swivel camera. It should be really nice for not only video chatting (front-facing) but also being able to film other things from different angles. For example, it would be nice to angle the camera almost completely to the back to film other people in front of you or angle the camera perpendicular to the device if you want to lay it on the table and do a timed photo or something similar. The camera is supposed to be higher resolution on the NI Adam, but higher MP doesn't necessarily equal higher quality so I'm crossing my fingers.
I wonder if now that we have kernel source there wouldn't be some way to add support for usb webcams? I imagine the only reason no one has done it yet is because most android devices don't have usb ports.
joshua.lyon said:
This is one thing that frustrates me about my G-tablet. I took some videos of the family out in the snow the other day and it was a real pain trying to capture the video since the camera only faces forward. The video turned out alright since we were outside and in good light. I've found that unless you are in really good lighting, the camera does not perform well. The quality didn't even compare to most of the devices that are out on the market now (latest Android 720p phones, iPhone/iPod Touch).
I'm looking forward to the NI Adam's swivel camera. It should be really nice for not only video chatting (front-facing) but also being able to film other things from different angles. For example, it would be nice to angle the camera almost completely to the back to film other people in front of you or angle the camera perpendicular to the device if you want to lay it on the table and do a timed photo or something similar. The camera is supposed to be higher resolution on the NI Adam, but higher MP doesn't necessarily equal higher quality so I'm crossing my fingers.
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The FF camera is only meant for video chatting.
First off, thanks for the replies. I was looking for feedback and info and I need more, please keep them coming.
Second, I too like the idea of a rear cam pics and video, and yes I understand I wouldn't be able to take pics without my back facing, I still want it to be a web cam; The question is can I replace that cam with a better one, even if it may only be a 2.0 or 3mp? If you are going to do video chat, or maybe even streaming videos would a higher mp camera help or hurt?
Third from my understanding there may be room for a rear camera, as well as room for modules that can be added like gps. If I can get any more info and can keep the cost reasonable, I may look into both.
I like the g tab cause its a Do It Yourself-er that has tons of potential, and since I have some time on my hands, I am looking to make any one(or more) of these a potential project.
Thanks Again for the input
Skyydragon said:
First off, thanks for the replies. I was looking for feedback and info and I need more, please keep them coming.
Second, I too like the idea of a rear cam pics and video, and yes I understand I wouldn't be able to take pics without my back facing, I still want it to be a web cam; The question is can I replace that cam with a better one, even if it may only be a 2.0 or 3mp? If you are going to do video chat, or maybe even streaming videos would a higher mp camera help or hurt?
Third from my understanding there may be room for a rear camera, as well as room for modules that can be added like gps. If I can get any more info and can keep the cost reasonable, I may look into both.
I like the g tab cause its a Do It Yourself-er that has tons of potential, and since I have some time on my hands, I am looking to make any one(or more) of these a potential project.
Thanks Again for the input
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There's no way to install a rear facing camera. All these projects you mentioned have been looked into by others and have basically determined not worth it.
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There's no way to install a rear facing camera. All these projects you mentioned have been looked into by others and have basically determined not worth it.
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If they all have been looked into and determined not worth the trouble, then I will concentrate my efforts elsewhere, I wont waste my time.
Apologies for wasting valuable thread space on this, and thanks for the input.
levrin said:
I wonder if now that we have kernel source there wouldn't be some way to add support for usb webcams? I imagine the only reason no one has done it yet is because most android devices don't have usb ports.
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FWIW, My Odroid T had a functioning USB webcam running android 2.1 and then 2.2. There were some driver issues, but they got them worked out.
Could this camera firmware can updated to Karbonn Titanium S5 ?
First of all, The CMOS Support up to 60FPS 1080P and 720P.
The second thing, the DPS seem stronger, than most smartphones, doing more than 40mbps withouth frame dropping thats a loot of power
and the DPS play fluid 1080P videos at 60FPS and 720P ( in hardware mode ), so there is a chance to do the same with recording.
IM NOT SURE IF THE ENCODERS ARE CONFIGURED FOR 60FPS, but the kernel is limited to 30FPS so can try to delete this limitation, and test then see what happens with that famous 60FPS.
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Okay, i assume, no one seems interested on this, yea! overclock, loot of roms, Cyanogen...etc ...etc but, what happens with the camera? is a good point to develop!!
maybe isnt a big deal but i think this can be improved a loot more, not only on the sensation, also on other smartphones.
Not only due less compression, can say the photos have a hard postprocess like the Optimus 3D, and is a bit weird the photos looks bad, iphone 4 photos looks much better, and its for REAL i have photos to compare and hell.. huge diference.
In part i think is because the photos looks oversharped and maybe the encoding format isnt the best, and because that, the picture, have less details.
Im trying to OUT a RAW picture format, is the best to apreciate the 100% of the CMOS power.
Now the important thing the DRIVER.
Actually im studying the driver carefully, for now only higher FPS to test if i can get the famous 60FPS at 720P or maybe with a bit of lucky at 1080P ( sounds like a joke this last haha )
Im not sure if there are any other thing to care, maybe in HEX.
Code:
#define S5K3H1GX_MAX_FPS 30 [COLOR="Red"]set TO 120FPS[/COLOR]
#define S5K3H1GX_MAX_FPS_PARALLEL 30 [COLOR="red"]set TO 120FPS[/COLOR]
I need some help from more advanced developers, please give me a hand with this i cant compile yet the kernel correcly so if someone can do this for me, thanks, me and a loot of people will apreciate this.
I ADDED THE KERNEL DRIVER with the first modification.
I do not have much time right now, but im gonna do my best, and finish that damn mod, hell!! haha
And again, like ever excuse my bad english, and no, no google traducer, i want to learn it myself without help of that **** called google traducer haha.
Thanks in advance, because together we can do better!
( reserved space for next step if can finallize the first one )
try this kernel:
http://www.multiupload.com/VYN9NZ76Q0
This kernel is compatible with all the roms? just the camera driver?
Im on Revolution HD.
Or you just patched the driver and compile?
Mdeejay what do you think about this? thanks this is a good start i think.
PD: This also need APK modifications right?
60FPS would be fantastic
Yea, now im on school, when im at home im gonna mod the cameraa to accept the 60fps and then, see what happens
I've said it in another thread and I will say it once here.
I hope somebody proves me wrong.
I think the most problems you're going to get are with the lens and the sensor, not the DSP or media engine or something else.
Compared to even a simple compact digital camera we have a very slow lens and aa crappy tiny sensor. You might reach 40fps, but anything close to 60fps will only result in an almost black movie, or to dark to see anything.
May I advise to first try to force the camera in taking a single picture with a shutterspeed of 15ms and ISO800? Just to see how the image would look at 60fps, and hopefully prove me wrong?
And as far as encoding goes, higher bitrates don't make it really harder for a DSP or hardware encoder. All the calculating comes from analyzing the picture with a certain sset of H264 features. Things like framerate, width & height and the amount of motion in a movie depends how hard the DSP needs to work. Bitrates only matters in the amount of data the phone can process (SD card write speed, bus speed on the DSP, etc...).
Good luck !
dipje said:
I've said it in another thread and I will say it once here.
I hope somebody proves me wrong.
I think the most problems you're going to get are with the lens and the sensor, not the DSP or media engine or something else.
Compared to even a simple compact digital camera we have a very slow lens and aa crappy tiny sensor. You might reach 40fps, but anything close to 60fps will only result in an almost black movie, or to dark to see anything.
May I advise to first try to force the camera in taking a single picture with a shutterspeed of 15ms and ISO800? Just to see how the image would look at 60fps, and hopefully prove me wrong?
And as far as encoding goes, higher bitrates don't make it really harder for a DSP or hardware encoder. All the calculating comes from analyzing the picture with a certain sset of H264 features. Things like framerate, width & height and the amount of motion in a movie depends how hard the DSP needs to work. Bitrates only matters in the amount of data the phone can process (SD card write speed, bus speed on the DSP, etc...).
Good luck !
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Very explicit! thanks now my answer haha
Thats the fact, but really, you will never see the true potential of CMOS on smartphones, because they're limited the 100% of it's power...
Sometimes just because they want to sell you another device with the same camera, but with more features enabled, market strategy, they sell to you the same with higher price ( HTC Sensation XE maybe? Wildfire S? )
Actually the Optimus 3D shoots fast photos than before.
you actually, can shoot a photo on movement and you can see all the details, just modifying the exposure time and shutter speed.
You have seen a RAW photo from nokia n900 5MP?? Amazing just that, better don't watch a raw from a N8, that's just ****ing amazing, better than most bridge cameras, and close to the economic reflex.
About that fact of FPS, higher resolution = more shutter time needed, and more processing power.
I said this before, this Camera supports up to 60FPS at 1080P, so in theory is capable, why cant be this true?
There are digital cameras with phone sensors, actually recording at 1080P 60FPS and doesn't have to much better lens.
If youre right, okay, good but can try it out and see what happens, and then, well at least you try it, and youre sure about its impossible..
if you don't try it, you never know, and you ever feel wrong about it.
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Give it a try,
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One thousand views... no more answers...
Give it a try,
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i talked to show-p1984 (bricked kernel), he managed to get rid of the fps limit some time ago for testing purposes, but only result was crashing camera app, so you may talk to him
(for example in the IRC channel written in my sig)
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i talked to show-p1984 (bricked kernel), he managed to get rid of the fps limit some time ago for testing purposes, but only result was crashing camera app, so you may talk to him
(for example in the IRC channel written in my sig)
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how to use an IRC? really i never use it
I think im gonna talk to him, and see what she discovered.
|ErosizeD| said:
how to use an IRC? really i never use it
I think im gonna talk to him, and see what she discovered.
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if you only want to make a short conversation, the webchat aplet of the irc network should be enough: http://webchat.freenode.net/
our channel is named: #Sensation-Devs
if you need it more than once i recommend an IRC client software like mirc for windows or even better: xchat for linux/windows
irc server: irc.freenode.net
Is there any progress on this really cool idea???
I would like to have may camera working with 60fps at 1080p
Devs, could anybody help this guy? Unfortunately I'm not able to help him, because I don't know anything about compiling etc. - I'm just a simple user
Best regards, and - I believe in YOU (all)
cool400
u should talk to persiansown..he has a real knack for kernels and extra mods with them...made great kernels for the nexus with tons of extra features
Hi!
RAW format should be awesome!
Thanks to your kernel mod
@erosize: I see 120fps camera (kernel only) notes in the latest AndroidHD 3.6.2/4.1.2 changelog.
I'm curious, does that mean there is any progress?
Regarding my posts about the sensation sensor being too small and the lens aperture being too high, look the specs for the iPhone 4s, they addressed those points specifically
did anyone try iPhone 4 camera ?? it's so cleaaaar
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did anyone try iPhone 4 camera ?? it's so cleaaaar
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yea, super clear.... much more than sensation and other smartphones, with only 5MP...
and is because this android phones have weird RAW to JPG comversion...
ANd yes, there is finally a kernel with the 120FPS uncap limitation, thanks seems he listen to me!
Now need to work deeper in to the APK and system.
I think the next thing that needs to be done is to test the new "uncapped" kernel against an aosp camera since it's source is available, so we can get an idea of what we need to reverse engineer in the sense camera... my 2sentz
any new progress? i really like the idea to test this ...
Hi everyone.I need to choice between this phone and lg g4.I really like design and especialy water resistancy on z3.Thing that interest me is camera.I have read before that isnt good in auto mode?I dont like power button and size of the lg g4 but camera quality is important for me.Tnx in advance
slobo2712 said:
Hi everyone.I need to choice between this phone and lg g4.I really like design and especialy water resistancy on z3.Thing that interest me is camera.I have read before that isnt good in auto mode?I dont like power button and size of the lg g4 but camera quality is important for me.Tnx in advance
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I'm very happy with camera quality. I think people expect too much from it sometimes because they compare it to a stand alone camera.
It's a smartphone.... not a canon or Nikon camera
For everyday use its pretty damn good.
I don't know about G4 though so if you can find a comparison video or something online it might give you more info. I'm sure you'd be happy with either, but as a Z3 user I can tell you the camera is decent and if you know how to use it can get some damn good shots.
Good luck in your choice and don't rush it. Might have that phone for a while so get the right one for you
Dobsgw said:
I'm very happy with camera quality. I think people expect too much from it sometimes because they compare it to a stand alone camera.
It's a smartphone.... not a canon or Nikon camera
For everyday use its pretty damn good.
I don't know about G4 though so if you can find a comparison video or something online it might give you more info. I'm sure you'd be happy with either, but as a Z3 user I can tell you the camera is decent and if you know how to use it can get some damn good shots.
Good luck in your choice and don't rush it. Might have that phone for a while so get the right one for you
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Thank you very much for answer ill think abot that
Anyone else?
honestly ,For the Camera go to G4 .
z3's camera IS good but g4 has a great camera.
FYI Im only talking about camera
g4 has a better camera. But has a heating problem because of snapdragon 810. And the battery life is not just as good as Z3 but way worse. I would go for Z3 however you can think of a different phone. Because Z3 is becoming a bit outdated.
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g4 has a better camera. But has a heating problem because of snapdragon 810. And the battery life is not just as good as Z3 but way worse. I would go for Z3 however you can think of a different phone. Because Z3 is becoming a bit outdated.
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G4 uses SD808, I think.
As for me Z3 is really good phone. Good battery, bright display, everything works fast and stable. Personally I would go for G4 mainy because it's never and has better specs. There are a lot of comparison and review videos in youtube. If you care about development, G4 has a littlebit better support in custom ROM's such as CM, and Z3 has mostly moddified stock ROM's. But for Z3 these ROM's feel better for me than CM.
Just don't rush to buy a phone that someone reccomends. Everyone has different needs and taste
Hello XDA!
Yesterday, the LG G6 was released. It seems to be a pretty good phone with a lot of emphasis on the Camera. However, when you start looking at the spec sheet you are disappointed. Not only is there just 4GB of RAM,but also the camera sensor is an IMX 258.
Seems familiar? Well, it should be as that is the same sensor that the Mi4C uses!!! Well, at least some of them since some models use a Samsung sensor. However, for us, the lucky people that have that sensor, this could mean Camera2 API support if some smart developer here on XDA manages to port it from the G6! I seriously can't wait for us to get our hands on its ROM.
Hope to get some discussion started in this thread and do some further research.
- chrismin13
Might be a different sensor even though it says 258, it surely has different lenses anyway. It's not really that good for us.
I don't think that we will ever see camera2 api on our device. The only chance is a porting from Miui (apparently present in the nougat version), but as I know it's nearly impossible since we don't have the proper sources. But we can always dream
I haven't checked this, but
https://xiaomi.eu/community/threads...most-working-xd-on-mi-4c-miui-8-nougat.38684/
OH. MY. GOODNESS. Thanks for letting me know that was a thing! I'm so excited! As soon as I get my Mi4c back I'll try enabling it! Has anyone tried out the manual shutter speed? Up to how many seconds can it go?
I was also shocked the G6 had the same sensor. Couldn't believe it.
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Has anyone tried out the manual shutter speed? Up to how many seconds can it go?
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UP!
Same 0.6s exposure with camera2api enable , images are flipped 180°