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Polaris photo quality is obscene.

Hi this is my first post i'm following with great interest the forum and i've got a problem i've not seen in the forum but to me is the worst at all.
Horrible image quality in photo with artifacts in compression:
i've sent a complain to HTC and i'll see if any answer...
here is what i've sent:
Hi,I'm complaining for many bugs and poor perfomance of my new p3650 touch cruise
here are only the most urgent:
1st) the photo quality is terrible I can attach a sample image if you want, I've set to maximum resolution 3mp and superfine and even in full day light I get jerky - full of artifacts images and compared to my motorola v3x only 2mp of two years ago is like to get back to the stone age. Please release a better driver or compressor.
2nd) the video is jerky an poor quality also when i play a video also in corrected format native pda resolution this is played jumping and slow framerate.
3D) the contacts section always shows both sim and outlook records so I get always double contacts the phone is terrible to use in this way also I tried a workaround with filtering but this is not memorized so i have to set every time :this is horrible and a phone must have this tool working if you compare to old years ago phones or pda you'll get in comparison a thousand lightyear better use.
Please above all solve the video section for terrible quality.
I think you must not ignore my asking.
As you see i'm also concerned with more question but the image prob. is too big ....
thanks
Attached two shots from motorola V3x only 2MP and Htc polaris you can vomit if you want............
please - cannot upload for the images max size is 100k and if i downsample the image the artifacts are not the same ...... i'm looking for a upload site-url

Can we see the images?

as long as the content is not obscene

The photo quality on my Orbit 2 (Polaris) is actually one of the best I've ever seen.
If no flash is needed it can compete with Sony Ericsson devices easily.
Did you
- disable the shutter sound?
- enable taking the photo by "half press" of the key? If not, take care that you don't move at all because fully pressing the key without moving is quite difficult

please w8

imageslink
please see them at fullres or at 200% expecially at the sky or greens ....
htc image-A http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=htcpolarisimageaxq3.jpg
v3x image-A http://img352.imageshack.us/my.php?image=v3ximageamo0.jpg
htc image-B http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?image=htcpolarisimagebdy7.jpg (see that funny moirè and small blocks......... + jpeg artifacts at superfine ... or super****???)
V3X image-B http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?image=v3ximagebuj3.jpg

maati said:
The photo quality on my Orbit 2 (Polaris) is actually one of the best I've ever seen.
If no flash is needed it can compete with Sony Ericsson devices easily.
Did you
- disable the shutter sound?
- enable taking the photo by "half press" of the key? If not, take care that you don't move at all because fully pressing the key without moving is quite difficult
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i'm not a novice and first to post i've done already what you say ... btw maybe your comparison is with a vga phone......
i'm directly comparing photo with an old motorola V3X that is only 2MP ..... and see attachements you can easily see what is better ....
also see the photo you shot on pc .... then starting shout......
or maybe my polaris is defective ??????????
this may be a better thing.... for you all of course ... hope this is not defective and is only a matter of driver/compression
I have many phone pda and this is the worse camera i've ever seen .......
thanks .

First of all, don't expect High Quality in every field by an 'All-In-One' device like the Polaris.
There were several photos taken in reviews all around the world, so don't curse the Polaris because you don't like the quality of the photos taken. You had the option to see some sample photos before you bought it.
If the quality of your pictures differ from the sample ones (in the reviews), and is much worse, maybe you don't know everything about taking photos.
Maybe you could reduce the sharpness a little bit...
Also, the V3x uses software blur for removing the artifacts.

I am comparing to 3Mpx Sony Ericsson phones like the K800i which are the best camera-phones on the market.
My XDA Orbit 2 takes photos that are competitive to those taken with SE phones as long as they're not done in dark environment (because SE phones have flashlight).
So, if you really did the optimizations and if your photos are really that bad you probably got a defective device.
EDIT: OK, now i looked at your sample shots and now I understand what you're talking about. Yes, the moiré is there and it is there on every Polaris device. But: IMHO the Polaris photos are still way better than the Motorola ones, because they include much more detail, which is in every case more important than not seeing this moiré/grainy effect. Why? Because you can get rid of these effects with photoshop (or probably some free programs, too) easily but you cannot get the details the Motorola photos are missing with any program.
As I always edit the important photos afterwards with PS, I didn't think that you would have problems with these effects (I also noticed them of cousre, but they are no problem for me, at least less of a problem than bad light/color/details).
Like gnick666 said before, try reducing sharpness if you don't want to optimize the photos on your PC.

saisallo said:
i'm not a novice and first to post i've done already what you say ... btw maybe your comparison is with a vga phone......
i'm directly comparing photo with an old motorola V3X that is only 2MP ..... and see attachements you can easily see what is better ....
also see the photo you shot on pc .... then starting shout......
or maybe my polaris is defective ??????????
this may be a better thing.... for you all of course ... hope this is not defective and is only a matter of driver/compression
I have many phone pda and this is the worse camera i've ever seen .......
thanks .
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May be your htc is defective.
My Cruise make photos really better ( almost my old phone nokia N73 with 3mpx and Karl Zeiss lens).
Sorry for you.

xdamiki said:
May be your htc is defective.
My Cruise make photos really better ( almost my old phone nokia N73 with 3mpx and Karl Zeiss lens).
Sorry for you.
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have seen them on pc???
well : all you that are saying to get these good shots, please let me see these shots and post them please to compare them

gnick666 said:
First of all, don't expect High Quality in every field by an 'All-In-One' device like the Polaris.
There were several photos taken in reviews all around the world, so don't curse the Polaris because you don't like the quality of the photos taken. You had the option to see some sample photos before you bought it.
If the quality of your pictures differ from the sample ones (in the reviews), and is much worse, maybe you don't know everything about taking photos.
Maybe you could reduce the sharpness a little bit...
Also, the V3x uses software blur for removing the artifacts.
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this device is not an all in **** one this cost 600 euros !! so i don't expect a canon digital ixus quality but at last some better or equal than a much older phone like the v3x ..... also i've seen shots from other users but not as this bad .... i'd like to see your shots (without editing please....)

Yes, i know it costs 600 EUR, I bought it for 620... But still, it's an 'all-in-one' device, like it or not.
I had hell of a time polishing the pics taken with my V3x, but - as mentioned before - the Polaris, takes pictures whith more detail.
Heres mine.
original: http://blacksun.extra.hu/myfiles/image_060.jpg
edited: http://blacksun.extra.hu/myfiles/image_060_edited.jpg
The first one was taken, whith default settings. Check the EXIF data, for proof of date/source, also img includes clock.
The editing has been done whith Irfan View, Blur Filter 3 times.
I'm not an expert, infact I'm a n00b on this, but 1 thing's for sure, not always the most sensitive setting is the best.

Hi Saisallo, you just expend your time discussing here with some HTC extreme freaks about this theme, for some weeks ago when i got my Orbit 2 (HTC Cruise) i wrote i post complaining about the bad quality of the phone, not only the camera but also the sound and some others things and the people just say that they don't have any problem, that they were satisfied with theirs devices and more. Sometimes I think that they didn't have a good product in their hands before. After all the HTC Cruise costs about 530 €, almost the price for a standard notebook.
My last complain about this phone.....!!!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=365676
I just recommend the people to don't buy this phone. Orbit 2 / HTC Cruise are the last crap from HTC

qtek_metanol said:
I just recommend the people to don't buy this phone. Orbit 2 / HTC Cruise are the last crap from HTC
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+1
My old Artemis is much better....
Guys, don't make the same error as me and some others!!!!!!
Cheers,
ouioui01

qtek_metanol said:
Hi Saisallo, you just expend your time discussing here with some HTC extreme freaks...
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We're not freaks
We just have other methods and oppinions about things. Yeah, we're f*cked because of the driver problem, but that doesn't change the fact that 95% of failiures are caused by the user or in much less percentage software error not caused my the user but the programmer, be it PC, or PDA.
Maybe in 2-3 years these 'all-in-one' devices will compete whith dedicated ones, but that's still in the future, and not now. Learn to compromise, i.e.: post editing photos, optimizng mp3/videos, and so on.
If you can't reproduce the proven quality in some functions, that's your own personal probelm: 1. you expect too much from current technology, 2. you don't know how to do it.
Peoples oppinios differ, just because of that calling others freaks is a bit too arrogant. This forum is for exchanging these oppinions, in cultured, non-offending way.

i've seen your photos and are crappish like mine perhaps they don't have moire effects .... but definitively mediocre quality i must say and so also mine is not defective now i know.
also i'm getting conviced my money was wasted and that i had to w8 more time before buy it ..... and see how much complain there are around ...
now i know that i must w8 for un upgrade of the firmware or software ... but seems that htc support is only for their bank account ........
will follow the forum but i feel stolen by htc.
bye

saisallo said:
will follow the forum but i feel stolen by htc.
bye
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Windows Mobile device have traditionally had mediocre camera at best. If you wanted a dynamic camera on a mobile device, you should consider a Nokia N95.

My first post here, so proud When I was shopping for groceries (eerie isn't it?) I decided to take a photo. I didn't stand still for long, just a normal photo. Turned out to be quite nice. This is a 2M photo, not 3M.
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JNGold said:
Windows Mobile device have traditionally had mediocre camera at best. If you wanted a dynamic camera on a mobile device, you should consider a Nokia N95.
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yes n95 is much better for photo but you must pay for navigate ..........
accc....

Video recording resolution, Increase to altleast VGA ?

Hi, I cant wait till this phone comes out. The phone really rocks in every way. But the max it will record video at is only CIF (352x288 @ 20fps).
Ive seen a software before for other PPC phones called CoolCamera, that allowed higher resolutions on other phones, for example the Hermes (TYTN).
Is it possible for the devs here to maybe enable higher resolutions through the registry ? Even if its only 15fps. It would rock.
There was a thread awhile ago on the forums where you could enable higher video bit rate via reg hacks.
So do you guys think it can be done ?
CoolCamera link : http://www.ateksoft.com/features.html

Well, I am also concerned with the same matter.
Seeing the Raphael is coming out soon, alot of matter will be discussed and this can just be burried.
If you find a solution; create a thread with it as it is goin to come in handy

For now, there is no solution. Many people tried it on Diamond. I think we can say, that Diamond and Raphael are unable to do VGA records. BTW: This ios becouse some graphic chip. Better cameras (mobile) has only chip, no CPU like our phone, just dedicated photo saving chip, wchich allows them to work with 7 and more Mpx cameras. Even 624 MHz CPU can not do same work.

pokevitek said:
For now, there is no solution. Many people tried it on Diamond. I think we can say, that Diamond and Raphael are unable to do VGA records. BTW: This ios becouse some graphic chip. Better cameras (mobile) has only chip, no CPU like our phone, just dedicated photo saving chip, wchich allows them to work with 7 and more Mpx cameras. Even 624 MHz CPU can not do same work.
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Yeah but still, look at the SE X1. It has the same chip as the Touch Pro and the Diamond but still does 30fps.

Yeah, one of the things I'm really sad about.
Was looking forward to the X1 till TP showed up.
TBH, was worried about the unusual screen size of X1 and no TV out.
Plus people seem to complain abt the QWERTY which is and important thing for me.
So, TP is the device for me; hopefully
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Yeah but still, look at the SE X1. It has the same chip as the Touch Pro and the Diamond but still does 30fps.
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After this I thought, OK lets get another phone that fits the bill. The only other one which has a VGA recorder and keyboard would be the Nokia E90.
So ive just come back from the local phone shop. They had a working E90 so I could test it. And guess what ? Apart from the VGA recording the Touch Pro is way better than the E90.
So ive decided the get the Touch Pro even if the video recording isnt good enough.
This has been a problem since the Kaiser days. There has to be something the devs here can do ? There has to be a way to up the res to VGA.
By the way does removing the lens cover from back (battery cover) improve quality like it did on the Kaiser ? Cause then I am gonna pop the glass out.

StashCompInc said:
After this I thought, OK lets get another phone that fits the bill. The only other one which has a VGA recorder and keyboard would be the Nokia E90.
So ive just come back from the local phone shop. They had a working E90 so I could test it. And guess what ? Apart from the VGA recording the Touch Pro is way better than the E90.
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Nokia? Buying a non-touchscreen phone in 2008 is like using a computer with no mouse. You can do it, but it will be a lot less comfortable and productive.
Even the latest Nokias feel like phones from 5 years ago. And I do mean that literally, because I had a Nokia once (N-Gage QD) and I have used an N95 and they are both equally bad.
Unless someone only wants to take pictures with the phone, I can't find a reason to buy one.

Smaniac said:
Nokia? Buying a non-touchscreen phone in 2008 is like using a computer with no mouse. You can do it, but it will be a lot less comfortable and productive.
Even the latest Nokias feel like phones from 5 years ago. And I do mean that literally, because I had a Nokia once (N-Gage QD) and I have used an N95 and they are both equally bad.
Unless someone only wants to take pictures with the phone, I can't find a reason to buy one.
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Dont know if you read my whole post or not but thats exactly what I am saying the Touch Pro is a way better phone and thats what I am getting (Touch Pro). Just hope we can somehow fix the cameras recording res.

Don't worry too much about this, the SE X1 is almost exactly the same device inside as the Touch PRO, so when the SE X1 comes out I'm sure someone will release a hacked driver which works on the Touch PRO to enable VGA resolution video capture at 30fps

sl9 said:
Don't worry too much about this, the SE X1 is almost exactly the same device inside as the Touch PRO, so when the SE X1 comes out I'm sure someone will release a hacked driver which works on the Touch PRO to enable VGA resolution video capture at 30fps
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Thats what I am hoping for !

Hmm, TV-out is new thing, so I dont think that it is something that you need, for me it is thing that you use only few times in a year, maybe. About 3O FPS at VGA, yes, same chip, but something must be different. Raphael and Diamond would have it. There must be some hardware reason, becouse why to not include this nice feature, if hardwar can do it?

HTC have limited the hardware before too, like the Trinity camera and 3D on the Kaiser.

StashCompInc said:
Dont know if you read my whole post or not but thats exactly what I am saying the Touch Pro is a way better phone and thats what I am getting (Touch Pro). Just hope we can somehow fix the cameras recording res.
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Yes, I did read, I just meant it was an unfair comparison, because any modern PDA phone is years ahead of a Nokia.

I believe there are some licensing and patent issues regarding full 30 fps VGA recording in USA, which is why the Xperia will have VGA recording in Europe but only 15 fps CIF in USA.
Surur

Can't wait to pop in cool cam into this one.
Maybe clean the whole rom just to get the most out of Video recording.
Countdown 15 days

Noonski said:
Can't wait to pop in cool cam into this one.
Maybe clean the whole rom just to get the most out of Video recording.
Countdown 15 days
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Countdown 15 days ? For what ? Are they releaseing a CoolCamera for the Touch Pro ?

coolcamera 1.15.1 doesn't work on the Touch Pro, What a bummer. Ateksoft hasn't updated Coolcamera in over a year.

[KERNEL] Tweaking the camera driver ( 60FPS related ) Kernel developers needed

First of all, The CMOS Support up to 60FPS 1080P and 720P.
The second thing, the DPS seem stronger, than most smartphones, doing more than 40mbps withouth frame dropping thats a loot of power
and the DPS play fluid 1080P videos at 60FPS and 720P ( in hardware mode ), so there is a chance to do the same with recording.
IM NOT SURE IF THE ENCODERS ARE CONFIGURED FOR 60FPS, but the kernel is limited to 30FPS so can try to delete this limitation, and test then see what happens with that famous 60FPS.
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Okay, i assume, no one seems interested on this, yea! overclock, loot of roms, Cyanogen...etc ...etc but, what happens with the camera? is a good point to develop!!
maybe isnt a big deal but i think this can be improved a loot more, not only on the sensation, also on other smartphones.
Not only due less compression, can say the photos have a hard postprocess like the Optimus 3D, and is a bit weird the photos looks bad, iphone 4 photos looks much better, and its for REAL i have photos to compare and hell.. huge diference.
In part i think is because the photos looks oversharped and maybe the encoding format isnt the best, and because that, the picture, have less details.
Im trying to OUT a RAW picture format, is the best to apreciate the 100% of the CMOS power.
Now the important thing the DRIVER.
Actually im studying the driver carefully, for now only higher FPS to test if i can get the famous 60FPS at 720P or maybe with a bit of lucky at 1080P ( sounds like a joke this last haha )
Im not sure if there are any other thing to care, maybe in HEX.
Code:
#define S5K3H1GX_MAX_FPS 30 [COLOR="Red"]set TO 120FPS[/COLOR]
#define S5K3H1GX_MAX_FPS_PARALLEL 30 [COLOR="red"]set TO 120FPS[/COLOR]
I need some help from more advanced developers, please give me a hand with this i cant compile yet the kernel correcly so if someone can do this for me, thanks, me and a loot of people will apreciate this.
I ADDED THE KERNEL DRIVER with the first modification.
I do not have much time right now, but im gonna do my best, and finish that damn mod, hell!! haha
And again, like ever excuse my bad english, and no, no google traducer, i want to learn it myself without help of that **** called google traducer haha.
Thanks in advance, because together we can do better!

( reserved space for next step if can finallize the first one )

try this kernel:
http://www.multiupload.com/VYN9NZ76Q0

This kernel is compatible with all the roms? just the camera driver?
Im on Revolution HD.
Or you just patched the driver and compile?
Mdeejay what do you think about this? thanks this is a good start i think.
PD: This also need APK modifications right?

60FPS would be fantastic

Yea, now im on school, when im at home im gonna mod the cameraa to accept the 60fps and then, see what happens

I've said it in another thread and I will say it once here.
I hope somebody proves me wrong.
I think the most problems you're going to get are with the lens and the sensor, not the DSP or media engine or something else.
Compared to even a simple compact digital camera we have a very slow lens and aa crappy tiny sensor. You might reach 40fps, but anything close to 60fps will only result in an almost black movie, or to dark to see anything.
May I advise to first try to force the camera in taking a single picture with a shutterspeed of 15ms and ISO800? Just to see how the image would look at 60fps, and hopefully prove me wrong?
And as far as encoding goes, higher bitrates don't make it really harder for a DSP or hardware encoder. All the calculating comes from analyzing the picture with a certain sset of H264 features. Things like framerate, width & height and the amount of motion in a movie depends how hard the DSP needs to work. Bitrates only matters in the amount of data the phone can process (SD card write speed, bus speed on the DSP, etc...).
Good luck !

dipje said:
I've said it in another thread and I will say it once here.
I hope somebody proves me wrong.
I think the most problems you're going to get are with the lens and the sensor, not the DSP or media engine or something else.
Compared to even a simple compact digital camera we have a very slow lens and aa crappy tiny sensor. You might reach 40fps, but anything close to 60fps will only result in an almost black movie, or to dark to see anything.
May I advise to first try to force the camera in taking a single picture with a shutterspeed of 15ms and ISO800? Just to see how the image would look at 60fps, and hopefully prove me wrong?
And as far as encoding goes, higher bitrates don't make it really harder for a DSP or hardware encoder. All the calculating comes from analyzing the picture with a certain sset of H264 features. Things like framerate, width & height and the amount of motion in a movie depends how hard the DSP needs to work. Bitrates only matters in the amount of data the phone can process (SD card write speed, bus speed on the DSP, etc...).
Good luck !
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Very explicit! thanks now my answer haha
Thats the fact, but really, you will never see the true potential of CMOS on smartphones, because they're limited the 100% of it's power...
Sometimes just because they want to sell you another device with the same camera, but with more features enabled, market strategy, they sell to you the same with higher price ( HTC Sensation XE maybe? Wildfire S? )
Actually the Optimus 3D shoots fast photos than before.
you actually, can shoot a photo on movement and you can see all the details, just modifying the exposure time and shutter speed.
You have seen a RAW photo from nokia n900 5MP?? Amazing just that, better don't watch a raw from a N8, that's just ****ing amazing, better than most bridge cameras, and close to the economic reflex.
About that fact of FPS, higher resolution = more shutter time needed, and more processing power.
I said this before, this Camera supports up to 60FPS at 1080P, so in theory is capable, why cant be this true?
There are digital cameras with phone sensors, actually recording at 1080P 60FPS and doesn't have to much better lens.
If youre right, okay, good but can try it out and see what happens, and then, well at least you try it, and youre sure about its impossible..
if you don't try it, you never know, and you ever feel wrong about it.

One thousand views... no more answers...
Give it a try,

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One thousand views... no more answers...
Give it a try,
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i talked to show-p1984 (bricked kernel), he managed to get rid of the fps limit some time ago for testing purposes, but only result was crashing camera app, so you may talk to him
(for example in the IRC channel written in my sig)

hlenforcer said:
i talked to show-p1984 (bricked kernel), he managed to get rid of the fps limit some time ago for testing purposes, but only result was crashing camera app, so you may talk to him
(for example in the IRC channel written in my sig)
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how to use an IRC? really i never use it
I think im gonna talk to him, and see what she discovered.

|ErosizeD| said:
how to use an IRC? really i never use it
I think im gonna talk to him, and see what she discovered.
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if you only want to make a short conversation, the webchat aplet of the irc network should be enough: http://webchat.freenode.net/
our channel is named: #Sensation-Devs
if you need it more than once i recommend an IRC client software like mirc for windows or even better: xchat for linux/windows
irc server: irc.freenode.net

Is there any progress on this really cool idea???
I would like to have may camera working with 60fps at 1080p
Devs, could anybody help this guy? Unfortunately I'm not able to help him, because I don't know anything about compiling etc. - I'm just a simple user
Best regards, and - I believe in YOU (all)
cool400

u should talk to persiansown..he has a real knack for kernels and extra mods with them...made great kernels for the nexus with tons of extra features

Hi!
RAW format should be awesome!
Thanks to your kernel mod

@erosize: I see 120fps camera (kernel only) notes in the latest AndroidHD 3.6.2/4.1.2 changelog.
I'm curious, does that mean there is any progress?
Regarding my posts about the sensation sensor being too small and the lens aperture being too high, look the specs for the iPhone 4s, they addressed those points specifically

did anyone try iPhone 4 camera ?? it's so cleaaaar

-juanito- said:
did anyone try iPhone 4 camera ?? it's so cleaaaar
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yea, super clear.... much more than sensation and other smartphones, with only 5MP...
and is because this android phones have weird RAW to JPG comversion...
ANd yes, there is finally a kernel with the 120FPS uncap limitation, thanks seems he listen to me!
Now need to work deeper in to the APK and system.

I think the next thing that needs to be done is to test the new "uncapped" kernel against an aosp camera since it's source is available, so we can get an idea of what we need to reverse engineer in the sense camera... my 2sentz

any new progress? i really like the idea to test this ...

Camera / Image signal processor quality (unexpected)

Hi everyone!
Edit: The camera and camcorder response / accessing time is also 5 and 4 times higher than another Android device.
This tablet comes Full HD display, utilizing nvidia's 40nm processor technology (SoC).
The current IC fabrication technology is 22nm, 28nm and 32nm which is considerably more efficient than 40nm in terms of processing power.
I noticed on the first day of receiving this tablet I was overwhelmed by its full HD display, for this tablet being a high-end product.
When I look at the image captured by the camera I was somewhat not surprised by the image quality of the camera.
It has been one of the main features which was talked about in the launch / promotional video of the TF Infinity.
Where it talked about a 5th lens that adds on a superior quality but I don't see that quality. There are couple of problems with the camera.
1. The well known focus clicking problem in video mode (auto focus is unavailable in video mode).
2. The image captured in a room with fluorescent lighting has a refresh rate problem (with horizontal bars across the image).
3. The zoom feature worked fine but somehow the preview which shown on the screen isn't, the live preview is low resolution and produce undesirable sharp blocks (which is just as annoying as using a low ended product).
The camera software is primitive and is lacking lots of the standard features of a camera.
But I'd expect much more quality from them and nevertheless to say it is pretty unexpected to see the full HD display while still leaving lots of blanks for the critics to fill up (wondering why the reviewers never mentioned the negative points on the tablet) and usability problems which its users faces.
A lot of people probably don't care about the camera but hey this tablet isn't cheap to start with and it's made by a reputable brand name in the technology industry (& they don't make Cameras...).
If you watch the live preview closely, you can actually see the horizontal bars moving down the screen (just like the refresh rate of the good old analog TV).
Is there any experts with cameras who can tell me how do you capture an image without the presence of the horizontal bars?
Is this tablet with high-end specification and without quality?
But if you are just an average user; Do you still get really annoying about all of the problems on the tablet?
*# One other thing which is rather inconsistent, I noticed is the file modified date in the recently released FW updates "*_epad-user-9.4.5.22.zip", all of the files within it are dated with 22/3/2011 11:21AM. And the zipped file within "*_epad-user_9_4_5_22_UpdateLauncher.zip" are dated 15/6/2012 and this update was only uploaded a few days ago!

I remember my phone originally had a lot of issues with camera...it ended up being software. I tried Camera Zoom FX, and the pictures started to come out quite a lot better. LGCamera works great as well, and also has a video mode. Try those, that might increase your picture quality and also gives you a lot more control over pictures.

As good as the camera was built up by Asus, its still a tablet camera. Tablet cameras have a reputation for being kinda crap.
But I agree with KilerG's post. Try other camera software and see if that helps. Or perhaps try turning down the resolution.

Jotokun said:
As good as the camera was built up by Asus, its still a tablet camera. Tablet cameras have a reputation for being kinda crap.
But I agree with KilerG's post. Try other camera software and see if that helps. Or perhaps try turning down the resolution.
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I wasn't expecting to become a professional photographer with this tablet, much less shoot my next great film on it (even though if I did, that would be hilarious). I probably won't spend a lot of time using the camera, and when I do, I think that's it's adequate for what it is...a tablet camera.
Remember how Apple talks up their camera? It still doesn't take the most amazing photos, especially on the iPad (well they talk up everything that is basically worthless, so maybe that's a bad example). I can get a better picture from a Samsung or HTC phone 9 times out of 10 than on a fruit device.

KilerG said:
I wasn't expecting to become a professional photographer with this tablet, much less shoot my next great film on it (even though if I did, that would be hilarious). I probably won't spend a lot of time using the camera, and when I do, I think that's it's adequate for what it is...a tablet camera.
Remember how Apple talks up their camera? It still doesn't take the most amazing photos, especially on the iPad (well they talk up everything that is basically worthless, so maybe that's a bad example). I can get a better picture from a Samsung or HTC phone 9 times out of 10 than on a fruit device.
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So; I guess you didn't buy a tablet because of its camera, but you see the point of having a camera on the tablet is to make life easy and fun.
It should be expected of from a tablet, various components of the tablet works but its not perfect, why? Maybe the manufacturer can answer the question.

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So; I guess you didn't buy a tablet because of its camera, but you see the point of having a camera on the tablet is to make life easy and fun.
It should be expected of from a tablet, various components of the tablet works but its not perfect, why? Maybe the manufacturer can answer the question.
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This is maybe philosophical.
Being the best does not infer perfection.
Ahhh, but I too would prefer perfection. Those cameras cost 10's of thousands and almost require a degree to operate. For 500 bucks and a ton of more relevant things it does I am happy with the best of crap.
So to speak.
Lets just hope for the best of apps to get us home.

+1 for Camera ZoomFX. One of the first apps i install on my devices.

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+1 for Camera ZoomFX. One of the first apps i install on my devices.
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The quality remains the same as the horizontal bars are still present in the still image.

I took this picture today and it seemed to come out perfectly fine. There were no lights on and it was starting to get dark. My phone's camera would have taken an incredibly grainy picture, but this seemed to work just fine.
That's. My grandpa and great uncle if you were wondering. I'm visiting my grandparents and great uncle currently
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video quality issue, poor results (like color banding?)

Hi Guys!
I have recently bought the S7 (Exynos, Samsung camera sensors), considering the good price/performance ratio after reading a lot of reviews how good this phone was. Since I owned a low-budget 4 year old Huawei smartphone - which had a price tag about 25% of the S7's current price - maybe my expectations were too high on the camera and that's all it has to offer. Or is there some setting i'm missing?
I have tried a second device (about 1.5 year old), same circumstances, same results. Both have the latest Nougat firmware installed, no root or whatsoever. Photos are ok.
Both shots were made with default settings, automatic mode, HDR auto, flash off, 1080p/30fps:
1.) first I wanted to show my buddy with my new phone, what's the job he has to deal with soon (he is a painter)
vimeo.com/268656045
2.) when I saw the results, I made a second video in the kitchen, I would say rather good lightning than poor (although artifical), nevertheless same issue as seen in the first video
vimeo.com/270958764
(One more thing to add, Vimeo encoding did not cause significant degradation, what you see it's almost the same as you watched the original file.)
Why isn't the colour smooth? What causes those "waves"/bands around the somewhat yellowish focus in the middle?
It seems to be a problem with the "gradients". (nor sure if it's a proper definition of the problem, but the shadows have a similar effect on a solid/mono color surface as the light is less and less compared to the center) For me it's like the color banding issue, which AMOLED screens use to have sometimes, as I have read in several forums.
Thanks for any feedback and help in advance!

I get those banding circles if I take a photo with RAW enabled in Pro mode in bright light, probably just a limitation of the sensor under certain conditions

Could it be the colour depth of the sensor?
https://s33.postimg.cc/6pycvoojz/1766257102c5c3dd8f.jpg

*Detection* said:
I get those banding circles if I take a photo with RAW enabled in Pro mode in bright light, probably just a limitation of the sensor under certain conditions
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First of all thanks for the feedback! So you think it's not a malfunction, that's all the phone has to offer in such cases? I was wondering, that I did not read about similar complaints. No one has ever tried to record a video with similar background and similar lightning conditions? Or those who did, they never use to complain in forums?
Either way this result is disappointing.

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Could it be the colour depth of the sensor?
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Hi zeroprobe!
First of all, thank you for your feedback too! I really appreciate it. As far as I can tell, the video shows similar degradation like your pictures between 8bit vs 10bit, but what can be done? What does it mean?

Bump!
Did anyone experience similar issue while recording a video? Is there a solution or it is as it is, this device has basically a cr*p quality in certain circumstances? I wouldn't call it a great camera seeing this, rather disappointing.