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XDA IIi camera quality

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It appears my IIi was broken. I am getting a new one soon, and I will update this thread with some pics with the new phone. Disregard this thread as it does not appear to reflect the true quality of the IIi
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Guys, I bought an XDA IIi. The one with the 1.3 megapixel camera. I heard the XDA series had bad cameras particularly in low light, but this is ridiculous!
It's even worse than my very first phone cam (the plugin to 7210), or a £2 webcam.
Surely it should be better than this?
http://img60.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img60&image=image000056cq.jpg
My old nokia 6600 takes the exactly the same shot PERFECTLY just with VGA and slightly unsaturated colour balance.
NB it takes better photos in daylight, but still poor compared to 6600.
So is my IIi broken? or is this how they are?

By the way, I have tried adjusting all the ambience settings (night, daylight etc), and the contrast brightness saturation hue etc but there was no improvement.

Any chance you could post a piccy taken in daylight? Outside if possible.

OK I will do tomorrow matey when it's sunny :lol:

http://img91.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img91&image=image000079ub.jpg
http://img91.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img91&image=image000085jw.jpg
Pictures taken in daylight with a grey sky

sho ryu ken said:
http://img91.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img91&image=image000079ub.jpg
http://img91.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img91&image=image000085jw.jpg
Pictures taken in daylight with a grey sky
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damn $h1t... (
so you get more pixels with the same sorry looking quality...
Try to reduce Sharpening... That always helped on my XDA2.
buzz

lower sharpness
http://img91.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img91&image=image000137rs.jpg

sho ryu ken said:
lower sharpness
http://img91.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img91&image=image000137rs.jpg
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not a big help...
anyway, what a nice place, you are living... )))
buzz

OK I created a little page with a comparison between IIi and an old 6600 VGA cam.
http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~knaib/xda/xda 2i.html
The pictures are taken in exactly the same lighting at exactly the same time.
WTF is going on?

I have an XDA II and I have the same complaint with the camera. They use some crappy CMOS chip that produces pictures with a "watercolour" effect. For a £550 device I'm not sure what the logic of including an unusable camera.

guys, is my XDA IIi broken?
or is this typical?

sho ryu ken said:
guys, is my XDA IIi broken?
or is this typical?
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I'd say, it is TYPICAL (
buzz

oh those pictures are really crappy, even my mda compact produces much better pics and i thought the 1.3mpx cam in it was bad!

cmos cameras will never be as good as CDD (used by real digi cams)
wrong colours
light sensitivness (grainy and such )
but they are cheap to make
and use less power

From what I've seen most other camera phones produce resonable pictures and they're using CMOS chips. It's just the XDA chip is pretty bad.

i just dont understand how it can be so bad. What the hell is the point in upgrading the camera to 1.3 megapixel if the quality doesn't improve, unless it's just a marketing scam.
I didn't expect it to be brilliant quality, but I thought it would be at least usable (or at least better than those sodding free webcams you get when you order a printer ink cartridge). I have a 14 day return period so I guess I will have to do some thinking
Also, before I take the pic, in the viewfinder it looks quite good. But when I press the button, it takes about 2 seconds to process and the final image is abysmal! It gets darker, and blurrier, and more pixellated. Is there another 3rd party camera program about or anything?
My camera version is 2.70

Since the camera should be the same as that on the imate Jam, perhaps people in this forum could comment on the picture quality. Indeed, it is disturbing to see a 1.3MP camera produce such horrible results,. If resolution were the only measure of quality, 1.3MP is more than enough for good quality photos. I have a 5MP Sony digital camera and seldom use resoultions larger than 1MP. If it is true that the quality is as bad as shown (rather than a faulty unit), predictions don't look good for the quality of the MDA IV camera.

loookin at the pics you've uploaded i am a bit confused....because one of the other user has also uploaded his side of pics taken out by xda IIi but they,re not THIS HORRIFIC !! :shock: http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=16580&highlight=
(scroll down and see a post by applecom)
but some of the pics that youve taken out in daylight are a BIT OK !! just OK !! with same crap quality image....
what the hell is wrong with HTC when are they gonna take out a pda phone which has a good camera quality and a built in lan and qwerty keyboard are they scared to take out something like this because they might run out of business or something ? :? (as tht dream pda phone will be having everything in it so no more upgraded phones ?)

i have the same opinion that the pictures are crap, i have tacken probley 50 pics and not been inpreded with any of them rearley. But espically the one of the sheep dog i posted looks not to bad.
i did not look at it until it was posted, the spec is 5 lux so no chance of a good pic in the house, the one of my daughter cleaning th car ( that cost me £10 :evil: ) has a sun blure on the wite gates, but this was at 4pm and i am in the UK, and we dont get sun this time of year so maybe just the large area of white confused the camera.
as you can see i am no photographer but tomorow i will take some more pics of the same thing using a XDA2 XDA2i and a proper camera so you can compare
John (applecom)

a comparison would just be great.... if possible also try to take out the pics from xdaIIi in open air not in the house
regards
jeetz

Touch Pro Camera sharpness ... normal?

Hi Guys!
I'm really happy with my Touch Pro for about a month or so, but one thing really dissapoints me : the camera. Before this TP I had a N95 and it really has a great camera; fast, vivid and sharp.
I have tried virtually every available setting in the TP Camera, but I keep getting pictures that aren't really sharp. Best result is pictures taken from a short distance, but when I try to shoot for example my house or street (daylight!) it's a bit blurry.
What's with your TP camera's; are they 'great' of do you have the same impression as I do?

well the HTC company has come from far considering the camera`s.
when al the other manufactor`s like samsung or nokia had 1.3 and 2.1 MP in their phone`s, htc was still stuck with 0.3 MP in their phone`s.
second while for all the other manufactory`s the camera function was very important to them, it wasn`t for htc.
htc never was sold as a camera phone but as an PPC or PDA with a camera.
and don`t forget that a company like sony and samsung already made very good foto and video camera`s it was easy for them to implement a good camere in their phone.
so altouch you now have a nice 3.2MP with autophocus on youre HTC it stil isent a real photo camera.
it just can take picture`s and good ones for the majority of people.
still if you want to take a proffesionel looking foto you got to do it with youre real camera
personaly for me the camera in the HTC is good for a quick snapshot or a nice picture.
sure i would like to see a better camera on the Touch pro or diamond, but if it was just the good camera i wanted i was getting me a sony ericsson.
probably you did aspect more from the camera of youre HTC, and that is to bad.
maybe you did not do any research on the camera`s in the past.
or you didn`t see picture`s taken with an HTC before you bought yours and so i can understand the disappointment you are having.
but you probably haveto live with it.
there are also some settings you can adjust with, maybe you got to try it out.
point is, HTC has a camera on it but it is not the most important thing on the phone.

Are you touching the round button first to get a focus, before you depress it fully to take the shot? Lightly placing your finger on the button causes the indicator on-screen to go green, indicating focus has been achieved. If you don't do it in these two steps, the camera hasn't focussed properly and your shots will be fuzzy.
I tend to get pretty good shots with mine.
It's all there in the manual.

You really can't expect much from the pinhole camera. The focus is strictly software contrast detection fixed focus, so it will be nowhere as good as a real camera with true autofocus. Basically it's stuck at a super high aperture (fstop, like f22) so that it can focus on everything. It can't really truly "focus." With such cheap cameras, it's possible some just aren't calibrated right. I'm still waiting for those liquid lenses that were suppose to revolutionize camera phones 2 years ago or the Squiggle 5mm focusing motor.

What i found a lot of people doing is they hold the thumb over the button and hear the fake focus noise and think thats it, when it fact you have to keep your thumb there until you hear the focus beeps. Usually takes 2-3 seconds. I'm actually kinda impress how macro the focus can get. Noise is pretty bad though, you'll need to reduce the image by at least 1/4th to get rid of it via subsampling.

Thanks very much for all your quick replies!
Yep; I'm using a light touch on the button and wait for the auto-focus to become green before completely pressing. I also tried other settings like pressing once and waiting for the picture to be taken.
I complete understand your filosophy about that the HTC builds PPC's / PDA's and not camera-phones like the Sony or Nokia. In that light; the pictures of the 3.2MP camera aren't too bad.
However, I am used to carrying my phone with me everywhere and sometimes would like to take a picture without carrying my normal camera around. That was going really great with the N95; so great that most of the time I left my real camera at home. Now, with the HTC, I have to remember to carry my camera with me when I am going somewhere I might want to take a picture. That sucks in my opiniion
I did extensive research on the phone I wanted and the TP was the best match for my needs. I thought. Never thought about checking the camera-quality. Stupid me.
But... I am not thinking of getting rid of the phone because of the camera. Yet.

I don't think it's a focus problem, I think the problem is the low quality of the lens. Yes, unfortunately TP doesn't have nearly the quality of a N95 or similar, but the N series has always been about great multimedia cameraphones, which isn't TP's market. I'm not justifying the bad quality, I'm just saying I didn't expect a great camera from a professional phone.

what about the camera quality compared to a 2mp BlackBerry camera??
just curious

msmith1991 said:
what about the camera quality compared to a 2mp BlackBerry camera??
just curious
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I also have a BlackBerry Pearl from my work and its camera is about the same quality as the Touch Pro. Sometimes even a bit sharper but less colourfull. It hasn't got autofocus.

Camera / Image signal processor quality (unexpected)

Hi everyone!
Edit: The camera and camcorder response / accessing time is also 5 and 4 times higher than another Android device.
This tablet comes Full HD display, utilizing nvidia's 40nm processor technology (SoC).
The current IC fabrication technology is 22nm, 28nm and 32nm which is considerably more efficient than 40nm in terms of processing power.
I noticed on the first day of receiving this tablet I was overwhelmed by its full HD display, for this tablet being a high-end product.
When I look at the image captured by the camera I was somewhat not surprised by the image quality of the camera.
It has been one of the main features which was talked about in the launch / promotional video of the TF Infinity.
Where it talked about a 5th lens that adds on a superior quality but I don't see that quality. There are couple of problems with the camera.
1. The well known focus clicking problem in video mode (auto focus is unavailable in video mode).
2. The image captured in a room with fluorescent lighting has a refresh rate problem (with horizontal bars across the image).
3. The zoom feature worked fine but somehow the preview which shown on the screen isn't, the live preview is low resolution and produce undesirable sharp blocks (which is just as annoying as using a low ended product).
The camera software is primitive and is lacking lots of the standard features of a camera.
But I'd expect much more quality from them and nevertheless to say it is pretty unexpected to see the full HD display while still leaving lots of blanks for the critics to fill up (wondering why the reviewers never mentioned the negative points on the tablet) and usability problems which its users faces.
A lot of people probably don't care about the camera but hey this tablet isn't cheap to start with and it's made by a reputable brand name in the technology industry (& they don't make Cameras...).
If you watch the live preview closely, you can actually see the horizontal bars moving down the screen (just like the refresh rate of the good old analog TV).
Is there any experts with cameras who can tell me how do you capture an image without the presence of the horizontal bars?
Is this tablet with high-end specification and without quality?
But if you are just an average user; Do you still get really annoying about all of the problems on the tablet?
*# One other thing which is rather inconsistent, I noticed is the file modified date in the recently released FW updates "*_epad-user-9.4.5.22.zip", all of the files within it are dated with 22/3/2011 11:21AM. And the zipped file within "*_epad-user_9_4_5_22_UpdateLauncher.zip" are dated 15/6/2012 and this update was only uploaded a few days ago!

I remember my phone originally had a lot of issues with camera...it ended up being software. I tried Camera Zoom FX, and the pictures started to come out quite a lot better. LGCamera works great as well, and also has a video mode. Try those, that might increase your picture quality and also gives you a lot more control over pictures.

As good as the camera was built up by Asus, its still a tablet camera. Tablet cameras have a reputation for being kinda crap.
But I agree with KilerG's post. Try other camera software and see if that helps. Or perhaps try turning down the resolution.

Jotokun said:
As good as the camera was built up by Asus, its still a tablet camera. Tablet cameras have a reputation for being kinda crap.
But I agree with KilerG's post. Try other camera software and see if that helps. Or perhaps try turning down the resolution.
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I wasn't expecting to become a professional photographer with this tablet, much less shoot my next great film on it (even though if I did, that would be hilarious). I probably won't spend a lot of time using the camera, and when I do, I think that's it's adequate for what it is...a tablet camera.
Remember how Apple talks up their camera? It still doesn't take the most amazing photos, especially on the iPad (well they talk up everything that is basically worthless, so maybe that's a bad example). I can get a better picture from a Samsung or HTC phone 9 times out of 10 than on a fruit device.

KilerG said:
I wasn't expecting to become a professional photographer with this tablet, much less shoot my next great film on it (even though if I did, that would be hilarious). I probably won't spend a lot of time using the camera, and when I do, I think that's it's adequate for what it is...a tablet camera.
Remember how Apple talks up their camera? It still doesn't take the most amazing photos, especially on the iPad (well they talk up everything that is basically worthless, so maybe that's a bad example). I can get a better picture from a Samsung or HTC phone 9 times out of 10 than on a fruit device.
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So; I guess you didn't buy a tablet because of its camera, but you see the point of having a camera on the tablet is to make life easy and fun.
It should be expected of from a tablet, various components of the tablet works but its not perfect, why? Maybe the manufacturer can answer the question.

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So; I guess you didn't buy a tablet because of its camera, but you see the point of having a camera on the tablet is to make life easy and fun.
It should be expected of from a tablet, various components of the tablet works but its not perfect, why? Maybe the manufacturer can answer the question.
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This is maybe philosophical.
Being the best does not infer perfection.
Ahhh, but I too would prefer perfection. Those cameras cost 10's of thousands and almost require a degree to operate. For 500 bucks and a ton of more relevant things it does I am happy with the best of crap.
So to speak.
Lets just hope for the best of apps to get us home.

+1 for Camera ZoomFX. One of the first apps i install on my devices.

timrock said:
+1 for Camera ZoomFX. One of the first apps i install on my devices.
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The quality remains the same as the horizontal bars are still present in the still image.

I took this picture today and it seemed to come out perfectly fine. There were no lights on and it was starting to get dark. My phone's camera would have taken an incredibly grainy picture, but this seemed to work just fine.
That's. My grandpa and great uncle if you were wondering. I'm visiting my grandparents and great uncle currently
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HOX vs SGIII: Cameras, and final take on multitasking. Yes, I have searched...

Hi Folks,
Yes, I have searched and read lots of topics about HOX vs SGIII, and I can summarize that the main differences are the screen, the build/form factor, the proprietary interface (TouchWiz or Sense), the battery (removable or not), the memory (micro SD or not), the RAM, the multitasking, and the cameras. This last part, the cameras, is where I am not sure if either folks here do not care, I have not found the right posts, or it has simply not been discussed before.
In particular, there is this great video comparison under http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1747204 , and almost at the end of the video there are video recordings and snaps with both phones. Unfortunately this thread is closed, but I would like to know if the SGIII camera is just that great compared to the HOX, except for one fact: that the HOX can take better still pictures under low light conditions due to the higher aperture. In the above video, the video recording from the SGIII seems much better than the HOX's.
Finally, has the HOX multitasking issue been resolved, or it has just been dropped because the HOX+ is just around the corner?
Cheers,
G.

Got to play with my fathers s3 a bit they are very comparable. next time i see him i will load pics and vids from his phone onto my pc would have him send the pics i took but it would change the size. so if you want i can send direct comparisons to you or link them to you in my dropobox. i will make sure setting across both devices will be the same.it will be same pics and vids from both devices. when i was comparing the other day really was wondering how different they would look when loaded onto a device with the same screen.Stills did seem clearer from mine didnt even look at video capture though.

Low light performance is not only dependent on aperture, but also depends how the photos are processed by hardware and software. HTC has historically been notorious for over-processing images in low light situations (giving a pixelated or dotty appearance), and the One X while an improvement is not completely free of this.
I've read several "pro" reviews on the phones, and comparisons between them on various websites. Also read plenty of comments on here comparing the two. Some say the GS3 camera is marginally better, while some say the One X is better. The difference is subtle, One X is better is some conditions, worse in others, but only slightly. I think you would be hard pressed to declare a clear winner and its pretty much a draw. As far as camera, you will probably be happy with either phone.
You may these side-by-side comparison photos from CNET useful: http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19736_7-57454915-251/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-camera-versus-htc-one-x-iphone-4s/

freshbakd said:
Got to play with my fathers s3 a bit they are very comparable. next time i see him i will load pics and vids from his phone onto my pc would have him send the pics i took but it would change the size. so if you want i can send direct comparisons to you or link them to you in my dropobox. i will make sure setting across both devices will be the same.it will be same pics and vids from both devices. when i was comparing the other day really was wondering how different they would look when loaded onto a device with the same screen.Stills did seem clearer from mine didnt even look at video capture though.
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Thank you. Yes, that would be great comparo. Even better if you could do videos of the same with both. In the great video I linked above there are two videos of the same set up taken with both phones. Maybe is just me, but the SGIII video seems much better on colors, sharpness, and adjusting the focus on the situation.
The overall pictures taken by both seem very similar in many reviews I have read, but video seems much better on the SGIII. Therefore, would be great if you can post videos taken with both.
Cheers.
G.

redpoint73 said:
Low light performance is not only dependent on aperture, but also depends how the photos are processed by hardware and software. HTC has historically been notorious for over-processing images in low light situations (giving a pixelated or dotty appearance), and the One X while an improvement is not completely free of this.
I've read several "pro" reviews on the phones, and comparisons between them on various websites. Also read plenty of comments on here comparing the two. Some say the GS3 camera is marginally better, while some say the One X is better. The difference is subtle, One X is better is some conditions, worse in others, but only slightly. I think you would be hard pressed to declare a clear winner and its pretty much a draw. As far as camera, you will probably be happy with either phone.
You may these side-by-side comparison photos from CNET useful: http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19736_...laxy-s-iii-camera-versus-htc-one-x-iphone-4s/
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Thanks. Yes, other things come into play on low light situations, thanks for the input.
Yes, the still camera might be tr same, but what about the videos? Any ideas on this?
Thank you for the link.
Cheers,
G.
By the way, what is the status on the HOX multitasking ?

GoyoNeuff said:
Thanks. Yes, other things come into play on low light situations, thanks for the input.
Yes, the still camera might be tr same, but what about the videos? Any ideas on this?
Thank you for the link.
Cheers,
G.
By the way, what is the status on the HOX multitasking ?
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Off topic: hit "thank you", please
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[Discussion] Quality of Camera's on Phones

It would be nice to hear some opinions on this following thoughts I've had, ever since I upgraded my phone last year from an iPhone 3G (2.5mp camera I think) to an Xperia Arc S, which at the time was the highest quality / size MP camera on a phone at 8MP, which is still a decent size for a phone camera today, as mid-ranged phones usually start at around 5-8MP and the super smart phones these days are running upward of 10MP, I think 13MP is the highest, at least on Android, that Nokia Symbian phone was like... 42MP? Or at least the fidelity / quality resembled that due to its massive lens housing, god knows what was in there, but if I remember rightly it was only 5MP images... Someone correct me.
Anyway, with my Arc S at 8MP, the images are fairly decent, I mean they're never going to be used for print, so it doesn't really need to be higher. However, as an art graduate, I spend time when I can taking photographs, and I have a 14MP Sony NEX 5, which as standard is already a better quality sensor than the tiny ones that make it into a phone.
My first point is it's still only 1MP higher than these smartphones, which makes me think; say I upgrade my phone in 1 year when 16MP is the highest, now we've gone over, for me I'm reluctant to go higher than my camera because I'd probably be swayed to using the phone more for photography, though the phones would probably have to be double the MP of a decent camera to really compare.
Secondly, Lenses, well the one on my Arc S is fairly standard, though probably more complex than some others as I think it has 7 layers of various shaped pieces of glass. But when it comes down to it, any photographer will tell you it's almost 100% the lens that really makes a photograph what it is, the phones are getting better quality, but the lenses probably aren't, the phones are constantly trying to get thinner which doesn't help matters, but phones have actually gotten fatter sue to bigger screens needing bigger battery, so I'm unsure on this part of the topic.
The lenses I use on my NEX are Canon FD mounts, a format from the early to mid 70's all the way up to about 1994, they are manual lenses because of their age and incompatibility with modern auto-focus, but the quality is superb, and I'm not just saying it, one of the lenses is a 1.4 50mm prime, and can do some great shots, though the camera isn't full frame so the lens works out at 75mm, but I also have a 28mm 2.2 (I think?) prime, which works out around 42mm and is really good.
Both lenses are dated between 1972 and 1982, and no current phone could replicate the fidelity, bokeh and colour, which is one of the reasons why proper cameras will always have the advantage. (The NEX doesn't have a mirror inside so can replicate the original setup of older cameras easily, meaning a huge number of adaptors allows tons of different lenses to become available)
However with the Nokia pureview phone (still don't remember its name... 850?...) It had a body capable of housing some very interesting tech, that hasn't really been used since, at least to my knowledge. Seeing some pictures online really showed you what this phone was capable of, I think the resolution of the images were in the ten thousands X whatever, and remained really sharp, for a phone at least. Maybe it's lack of success is due to it been on a non-leading OS at the time, I can imagine people would want a camera with maybe an Android phone? (Which apparently, Nokia are working on) so maybe it will see it's true colours shine on a larger base OS. If this tech is worth the larger body size of a phone, people are going to want it...
And lastly, Convenience. One of the main points of having a camera is to be able to capture moments WHENEVER, and having a decent camera on a phone has been a growing trend over the past few years, with the growth of social networks, YouTube and Instagram. And you're more likely to have a phone with you than a camera for a situation that's spontaneous.
So what are peoples thoughts? A few months back Jessops one of the leading camera sales company in the UK went into administration, with only a few stores been saved;
Will we see a heightening trend amongst phones been used instead of standalone cameras?
Will they (DSLR's etc) be phased out completely?
Are you an avid photographer with your phone, or do you use a standalone camera?
Am I wrong?
I'd like to hear some opinions, hopefuly some educated ones on the subject will give a sense on the spectrum of issues.
Another point to consider, Smart-Cameras, the new trend of cameras running Android, though I don't think any have interchangeable lenses.
Thanks for reading, also... You may need to change some 'if's to 'of's because my phone has a habit of changing my words.
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I use my phone for everyday rubbish shots (whatsapp and such) and storing information (bustimes, lists, important stuff i take a snapshot of.) .
It will NEVER replace my DSLR.
It simply lacks the functionalities of one. So long as I can't set aperture and change lenses, it's not a real camera. I need my telezoom and macro lenses.
You can't seriously expect a phone, even that 42mp one to be as high - quality as a dslr. Too many pixels crammed into way too small a sensor. As it has always been with phones.
Not to mention, phones lack the power of a dslr. Ever tried taking nightshots with a phone? They're bad. Very bad. Or high speed shots. Nuhuh, they cant. Or far-zoom?
Lets face it, cameras on phones are not meant for professionals. They're meant for people on facebook, twitter and instagram.
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ShadowLea said:
I use my phone for everyday rubbish shots (whatsapp and such) and storing information (bustimes, lists, important stuff i take a snapshot of.) .
It will NEVER replace my DSLR.
It simply lacks the functionalities of one. So long as I can't set aperture and change lenses, it's not a real camera. I need my telezoom and macro lenses.
You can't seriously expect a phone, even that 42mp one to be as high - quality as a dslr. Too many pixels crammed into way too small a sensor. As it has always been with phones.
Not to mention, phones lack the power of a dslr. Ever tried taking nightshots with a phone? They're bad. Very bad. Or high speed shots. Nuhuh, they cant. Or far-zoom?
Lets face it, cameras on phones are not meant for professionals. They're meant for people on facebook, twitter and instagram.
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Man how can you compare a DSLR with a smartphone camera??, a DSLR is a camera with an awesome quality and the smartphone camera is only a phone with a decent camera and not for pro- photographers.. i would always choose a DLSR over a smartphone camera. And by the way i agree with ShadowLea that you can't cram 42mp in a small lens!!! it is outrageous!

Well, it's to do with trends, if you agree or not is a different matter, but lots of pro photographers and teachers will tell you if you ask, about how important this new revolution is, the quality you can get is pretty good, even compared to digital cameras less than 10 years ago.
If it can take photographs then it's a valid form, there are pro photographers then spend lots of their time using phones for photography, 5MP and decent light is enough, some of these phones are better quality than the point and shoot cameras of recent past.
Instagram, though trendy is a very valid post processing tool, just because the majority of people use it recreationaly it doesn't diminish its power, and usage.
People use Polaroid cameras all the time, and they're quite limited, and the quality can vary greatly. You can't change the lens, and you can't really adjust any settings.
Polaroid is probably most comparable to the quality of the mid range smartphones.
As for the Nokia 41MP camera phone, if you actually look at the images you can get a good sense of the quality. The short article can be found here:
http://www.extremetech.com/electron...review-camera-finally-coming-to-windows-phone
You can also easily find examples by doing an image search on Nokia Pureview.
The convenience of a very good quality camera phone can allow for great photos, which is why it's really taking off as a trend.
Denying it is the same arguments as saying Digital is better than Film, though there are still counter arguments, benefits and people still use film cameras and Polaroid.
There's a statistic recently that goes something like; there have been more photographs taken in 2012 than all previous years since photography's invention combined.
I'm not sure if that's word for word correct, but I think it was on a Vsauce YouTube video not long back.
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I think you need to understand that Professional stands for "getting paid for your work" or "being an accomplished/awarded photographer" and not "I can hold a camera!".
Yes, there have been more photo's taken in the last year than since the invention of the photograph. I do hope you are also aware that this includes every halfbrained moron on Instagram and Facebook posting their friday-night drunk shots.
No selfrespecting real photographer uses a phone's camera for his or her work. The only ones that do are either A, doing an experiment, or B, people on the internet fooling themselves into thinking they're photographers.
PHONE CAMERAS DO NOT HAVE APERATURE SETTINGS. And that's where it all ends. There isn't a single pro or semi-pro who uses a fixed aperature camera.
42MP doesn't make a bloody difference if the sensor is meant for 2MP. The photo's may look fine on the internet, but newsflash: Your monitor is 72DPI, not 300. And a 6000x6000 pixel image is always going to look amazing when downsized to 1920x1080 or lower. (which is what every website does.)
As for trends, they're for the common cattle, not semi/professionals. People with knowledge and experience pay attention to specs, not to hypes.
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ShadowLea said:
I think you need to understand that Professional stands for "getting paid for your work" or "being an accomplished/awarded photographer" and not "I can hold a camera!".
Yes, there have been more photo's taken in the last year than since the invention of the photograph. I do hope you are also aware that this includes every halfbrained moron on Instagram and Facebook posting their friday-night drunk shots.
No selfrespecting real photographer uses a phone's camera for his or her work. The only ones that do are either A, doing an experiment, or B, people on the internet fooling themselves into thinking they're photographers.
PHONE CAMERAS DO NOT HAVE APERATURE SETTINGS. And that's where it all ends. There isn't a single pro or semi-pro who uses a fixed aperature camera.
42MP doesn't make a bloody difference if the sensor is meant for 2MP. The photo's may look fine on the internet, but newsflash: Your monitor is 72DPI, not 300. And a 6000x6000 pixel image is always going to look amazing when downsized to 1920x1080 or lower. (which is what every website does.)
As for trends, they're for the common cattle, not semi/professionals. People with knowledge and experience pay attention to specs, not to hypes.
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I think you're missing my point, I meant professional photographers that use iPhones for photography for non print, recreation, street photography etc.
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For those interested in hearing a pro talk about it, I present, Chase Jarvis.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buDa-m65RyA&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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