Hi, I cant wait till this phone comes out. The phone really rocks in every way. But the max it will record video at is only CIF (352x288 @ 20fps).
Ive seen a software before for other PPC phones called CoolCamera, that allowed higher resolutions on other phones, for example the Hermes (TYTN).
Is it possible for the devs here to maybe enable higher resolutions through the registry ? Even if its only 15fps. It would rock.
There was a thread awhile ago on the forums where you could enable higher video bit rate via reg hacks.
So do you guys think it can be done ?
CoolCamera link : http://www.ateksoft.com/features.html
Well, I am also concerned with the same matter.
Seeing the Raphael is coming out soon, alot of matter will be discussed and this can just be burried.
If you find a solution; create a thread with it as it is goin to come in handy
For now, there is no solution. Many people tried it on Diamond. I think we can say, that Diamond and Raphael are unable to do VGA records. BTW: This ios becouse some graphic chip. Better cameras (mobile) has only chip, no CPU like our phone, just dedicated photo saving chip, wchich allows them to work with 7 and more Mpx cameras. Even 624 MHz CPU can not do same work.
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For now, there is no solution. Many people tried it on Diamond. I think we can say, that Diamond and Raphael are unable to do VGA records. BTW: This ios becouse some graphic chip. Better cameras (mobile) has only chip, no CPU like our phone, just dedicated photo saving chip, wchich allows them to work with 7 and more Mpx cameras. Even 624 MHz CPU can not do same work.
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Yeah but still, look at the SE X1. It has the same chip as the Touch Pro and the Diamond but still does 30fps.
Yeah, one of the things I'm really sad about.
Was looking forward to the X1 till TP showed up.
TBH, was worried about the unusual screen size of X1 and no TV out.
Plus people seem to complain abt the QWERTY which is and important thing for me.
So, TP is the device for me; hopefully
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Yeah but still, look at the SE X1. It has the same chip as the Touch Pro and the Diamond but still does 30fps.
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After this I thought, OK lets get another phone that fits the bill. The only other one which has a VGA recorder and keyboard would be the Nokia E90.
So ive just come back from the local phone shop. They had a working E90 so I could test it. And guess what ? Apart from the VGA recording the Touch Pro is way better than the E90.
So ive decided the get the Touch Pro even if the video recording isnt good enough.
This has been a problem since the Kaiser days. There has to be something the devs here can do ? There has to be a way to up the res to VGA.
By the way does removing the lens cover from back (battery cover) improve quality like it did on the Kaiser ? Cause then I am gonna pop the glass out.
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After this I thought, OK lets get another phone that fits the bill. The only other one which has a VGA recorder and keyboard would be the Nokia E90.
So ive just come back from the local phone shop. They had a working E90 so I could test it. And guess what ? Apart from the VGA recording the Touch Pro is way better than the E90.
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Nokia? Buying a non-touchscreen phone in 2008 is like using a computer with no mouse. You can do it, but it will be a lot less comfortable and productive.
Even the latest Nokias feel like phones from 5 years ago. And I do mean that literally, because I had a Nokia once (N-Gage QD) and I have used an N95 and they are both equally bad.
Unless someone only wants to take pictures with the phone, I can't find a reason to buy one.
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Nokia? Buying a non-touchscreen phone in 2008 is like using a computer with no mouse. You can do it, but it will be a lot less comfortable and productive.
Even the latest Nokias feel like phones from 5 years ago. And I do mean that literally, because I had a Nokia once (N-Gage QD) and I have used an N95 and they are both equally bad.
Unless someone only wants to take pictures with the phone, I can't find a reason to buy one.
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Dont know if you read my whole post or not but thats exactly what I am saying the Touch Pro is a way better phone and thats what I am getting (Touch Pro). Just hope we can somehow fix the cameras recording res.
Don't worry too much about this, the SE X1 is almost exactly the same device inside as the Touch PRO, so when the SE X1 comes out I'm sure someone will release a hacked driver which works on the Touch PRO to enable VGA resolution video capture at 30fps
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Don't worry too much about this, the SE X1 is almost exactly the same device inside as the Touch PRO, so when the SE X1 comes out I'm sure someone will release a hacked driver which works on the Touch PRO to enable VGA resolution video capture at 30fps
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Thats what I am hoping for !
Hmm, TV-out is new thing, so I dont think that it is something that you need, for me it is thing that you use only few times in a year, maybe. About 3O FPS at VGA, yes, same chip, but something must be different. Raphael and Diamond would have it. There must be some hardware reason, becouse why to not include this nice feature, if hardwar can do it?
HTC have limited the hardware before too, like the Trinity camera and 3D on the Kaiser.
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Dont know if you read my whole post or not but thats exactly what I am saying the Touch Pro is a way better phone and thats what I am getting (Touch Pro). Just hope we can somehow fix the cameras recording res.
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Yes, I did read, I just meant it was an unfair comparison, because any modern PDA phone is years ahead of a Nokia.
I believe there are some licensing and patent issues regarding full 30 fps VGA recording in USA, which is why the Xperia will have VGA recording in Europe but only 15 fps CIF in USA.
Surur
Can't wait to pop in cool cam into this one.
Maybe clean the whole rom just to get the most out of Video recording.
Countdown 15 days
Noonski said:
Can't wait to pop in cool cam into this one.
Maybe clean the whole rom just to get the most out of Video recording.
Countdown 15 days
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Countdown 15 days ? For what ? Are they releaseing a CoolCamera for the Touch Pro ?
coolcamera 1.15.1 doesn't work on the Touch Pro, What a bummer. Ateksoft hasn't updated Coolcamera in over a year.
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Hi all,
I was hoping to upgrade to Diamond when its out in the UK. But now the Samsung Omnia is out, I am a bit confused as to which one to go for. I invite everyone to give your opinion on it. I am sure there are many like me out there.
MY initial views are;
Diamond is a cool phone and the HTC have years of experience with WM phones. But it does have its own flows like HTC doesnt seem to know how to make proper camera and issues with video drivers. And their headphones are good for nothing. I really think these areas will be better with Omnia, at least the 5MP camera and the headphone quality.
On the other side, Omnia is slightly bigger and and heavier than the Diamond. And the display is Qvga? (I am not an expert on this). Both have GPS and Accelerometer and stuff.
So guys give us your opinion on this.
Cheers
Jugulator
I'm desperatly trying to source my Omnia from Asia as its not out here in the UK yet. I currently have a G900 and whilst the screen is spanking, its camera is rubbish and it doesn't have GPS, which i REALLY want.
As for HTC, having had 3 HTC devices and having had to return said devices 6 times in total for hardware repairs I will never, ever, ever buy a HTC device again. Oh and just to add, the guy that sits oposite me in the office has an orange branded TyTN, i mentioned the build quality to him about 6 months ago and he laughed at me and said his worked perfectly. Guess what, he finaly threw the thing in the bin today as the last of the front hardware keys gave up on him.
So, don't care if HTC make the greatest phone on the planet, i ain't buying it.
I like the specs of the Omni, but the UI does not appear up to par on the whole compared to that of the Diamond/Rafael.
http://samsungomnia.com/omnia-videos/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoaXA9un7YE
Thanks for the video. Interesting GUI. I definately like the design of the Omnia. The GUI looks a little bit slugglish and unresponsive at times. But with a large screen (although low pixel dimension), 5MP camera & 16GB max storage--it's hard to say no. The widescreen QVGA is disturbing for a feature rich phone like this. The iPhone hides the pixel dimensions nicely so I'm hoping this one will too.
I'm passing on the Diamond (because of the 4GB max storage) and hoping for the Touch Pro. If you can port TouchFlo 3D on the Omnia and have it be as fluid as the iPhone UI, I would seriously buy it.
VGA and QVGA
Could someone shred some light on the difference between VGA and QVGA? If this is significantly different, I would favour Diamond than Omnia, plus smaller size and weight. But at the same time I would like to try something other than HTC..lol.
Get the Rapheal it will be better than both the Omnia and Diamond.
This Omni phones got my eye, will add it to the review list on the Formal '08 smart phone comparison. Check my signature.
Hmmm touch choice, X1, Pro, or Omnia. Depends on the Camera I get really, no camer -> probably omnia, Good camera-> one of the others. 5MP is sick, and considering HTC Cameras are ****, it makes the 5 even better.
Rory
Go for the Omnia. If you look at the videos from youtube, the omnia opens apps REALLY FAST. It may not be as responsive as we should want, probably due to the screen, but the processor speed makes up for it. Not to mention the 16 GB storage and micro SD slot. It has XVID and DIVX support out of the box, so you know it will definitely perform well with videos. The 5 MP camera also s a huge plus. The only drawbacks I could think off is how good will the battery last in a day of use, and the wide QVGA screen which might not be compatible with most or all available apps yet.
I had a dilemma choosing between the Advantage X7510 and the Omnia, but in the end, I opted for the BIG SCREEN and good battery life of the X7510.
But with the choices you have given, go for the Omnia.
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Could someone shred some light on the difference between VGA and QVGA? If this is significantly different, I would favour Diamond than Omnia, plus smaller size and weight. But at the same time I would like to try something other than HTC..lol.
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VGA is 640 by 480 screen resolution while QVGA is 320 by 240 resolution. Basically VGA screen have 4 times as much clarity and quality as QVGA screens, in theory atleast.
I too am thinking of the SGH-i907. I will be moving and need to switch to GSM and sense the i907 is going to AT&T that will work just fine for me. But I will have to use it in Verizon/AllHell network until I move. So I hope it will work ok. I think with the 8 or 16GB internal memory and the availability to use the external micro SD slot is nice. I guess to top it off they should have used a VGA screen but WGVA isn't too bad is it? What is the mp of the secondary camera? I am also wondering if Android can be ported to the i907?
Release Date: June, 2008
56.9x112x12.5mm, Microsoft Windows Mobile 6.1 Professional , 32bit Marvell PXA320, 128MiB RAM, 16000MiB ROM, 3.2" 400x240 color transflective TFT display, video out, Proprietary audio jack, GSM850/GSM900/GSM1800/GSM1900/UMTS2100, CSD, GPRS, EDGE, UMTS, HSDPA, microSD/microSDHC/TransFlash/SDIO, Proprietary port, Bluetooth, WLAN, GPS, A-GPS, FM radio, accelerometer, 5MP camera, AF, flash, secondary camera, 1440mAh removable battery.
Anyone know what version of Opera 9.5 the i900 is running?
I'm thinking between HTC Touch Pro and Omnia. If possible want to get both of them to compare. But still worry about omnia regarding below issues:
1. no support on forum such as tweaking, customize and cook rom.
2. where to download the rom update? Samsung will give new rom update to improve their performance or not?
3. inside the package seem not include the stylus and pouch. at samsung webpage indicate that is an optional.
4. how good is Marvell PXA300 series processor? Stable or not? Fast enough or not to handle such a bulky 3d software.
Samsung Omnia (i-900)
I just got the Omnia here in Singapore and so far, its great! You can turn off most of the "fancy" (but not so useful features to me) iPhone like features and you get a great WM6.1 device with 16GB storage (+ I can add another 8GB micro SD). The battery life is good and I can swap batteries if I need to. The camera is 5MP, with flash and the video is good.
For those of you interested, here's a good review of the Omnia:
http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles/view.php?id=2606&cid=24&pg=1
Cheers!
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3. inside the package seem not include the stylus and pouch. at samsung webpage indicate that is an optional.
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I just went to a samsung roadshow in singapore yesterday
and i tried out the i900 there.
The lady told me the stylus is included in the package.
however it is nt like normal PDA phones where the stylus can be kept
'in' the phone itself. i900's stylus is hung outside like an accessory.
5 megapixel camera but doesn't seem to take photos like a 5 megapixel camera should. nokia's n95's camera seems better.
anyway, placed an order as the stock ran out by the time i got there.
How much you got it in Sing Dollar?
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How much you got it in Sing Dollar?
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it will be $498 with a 2 year line contract with Starhub in Singapore.
luckily i have a $200 voucher and a phone to trade-in..
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I just got the Omnia here in Singapore and so far, its great! You can turn off most of the "fancy" (but not so useful features to me) iPhone like features and you get a great WM6.1 device with 16GB storage (+ I can add another 8GB micro SD). The battery life is good and I can swap batteries if I need to. The camera is 5MP, with flash and the video is good.
For those of you interested, here's a good review of the Omnia:
http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles/view.php?id=2606&cid=24&pg=1
Cheers!
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Thanks for posting the review! I really like it. The only deal breaker now is the $1000+ (US dollars?) price tag. With the falling value of the US Dollar, that's a hefty price to pay for a phone (those included features are great). 2 year contract for $500? I hope. But there's still the Touch Pro.
Hea-to-head Review
Here's a direct review of both phones plus side-by-side photos:
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_touch_diamond_vs_samsung_i900_omnia-review-262.php
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Here's a direct review of both phones plus side-by-side photos:
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_touch_diamond_vs_samsung_i900_omnia-review-262.php
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Excellent review. Seems unbiased and balanced, although, until someone has both handsets you can never be sure.
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http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles/view.php?id=2606&cid=24&pg=1
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Connectivity: GPS with Navigation
Bluetooth 2.0 with A2DP support
USB 2.0
Wi-Fi
Features:
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MS Office Document Viewer, Advanced PIM Apps,
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Dont think anyone in there right mind would call google maps "Navigation"? Also, MS Office VIEWER!? Reviews inaccurate from page one, not going to bother reading the rest.
After using my G900 (800 x 480) mobile for a year now, I can't say that High res screens float my boat. They are a massive drain on the battery and factoring in the physical size of the screen, really not that usefull in my opinion. Its seems to me like having a 1080p 32" tv, good in principle but unless its 46", you really don't see the full benefit.
I think i'm still looking at an I900 .... now if only they were in the shops in the UK!!!!!
p.s. Anyone from Singapore wana stick one on Ebay?
Reviews/Videos/Photos of the released HTC Touch Pro:
Review on PhoneArena
Russian Review on mobile-review.com (in russian - but great photos)
One week with the Pro report can be found on coolsmartphone.com
Day1
Day2
Day3
Day4
First real written review found on pocketnow.com (must see)
Video review and photos on mobility today (a must see)
New close up shots on OMIO
Unboxing video on pocketnow.com
Hardware close up on pocketnow.com (a must see)
Software and other features coverd in this video on pocketnow.com
First Video-review found on Omio Part I, here is part II
Q&A on the Touch Pro with OMIO
Unboxing video found on Omio
iPhone/Touch Pro text input challenge found on Omio
Touch Diamond / Pro Side-By-Side photos and benchmarks found on Phonereport (Original and Full spanish review found on lifemobility.blogspot.com/)
Stuff on Mobiletech Addicts (4 links): Benchmarks, Side-by-Side Photos, Video-look-at and review (including the look at video)
Unboxing Video at Tracy and Matt
TV-out photos on our forum
Hands-on photos found on Engadget
Pre-release stuff:
HTC Touch Pro HandsOn Hardware
HTC Touch Pro HandsOn Software
and
HTC Touch Pro - Getting started by HTC
The last video is probably an indicator that the pro release is not far away...
Update:
Just to have all the video footage together for those who are new, take a look at the following
PhoneMag Hands On
IDG spanish coverage
Early Promo Slideshow
Here is a report on some "quality time" with the Touch Pro on Cnet Asia... sounds promissing - and honestly: I like Touchflo with the upcoming TouchXperience a lot more than the Xperia Interface...
08/12/08: Check out new pics on engadget - HTC Touch Pro hands on - best image quality I have seen so far
Mod Edit: Adding these links to the wiki, great stuff
Nice sir, very nice.
Arne Hess also commented that he is going to post footage of the TV out feature and a running touch pro very soon
Should be nice...
Regarding the getting started video: I really like the fact that TouchFlo 3D really appears to be silky smooth now... I cannot wait any longer XD
Yup, i noticed that too, very smooth!
Software Review
I can't wait for the software review it should be good. I bet there are some differences compared to the Diamond.
Software Review!
The software review is up:
HTC Touch Pro Software and GUI Hands-on
i would guess, the extra ram should make a big diff in the TF3d performance compared to the diamond... right?
psperos said:
i would guess, the extra ram should make a big diff in the TF3d performance compared to the diamond... right?
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At least in the software video it appears to be the case. The TouchFlo 3D interface is very smooth and responsive.
I hope they are going to tweak TouchFlo in landscape mode a bit more to make it more "shiny". But honestly using the keyboard this is more than sufficient. What do you want with the weather panel while using the keyboard? Being able to access all the typing applications quickly with the keyboard out makes most sense to me.
And I guess that using the home button while being in any other application while sliding out the keyboard will bring you back to the landscape touch flo interface (3D it is not... )
damnit. my Nokia N73 committed suicide. It literally hanged and the service point says it can not be repaired. problem with the board.
I need this phone to be released immediately. =\
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The software review is up:
HTC Touch Pro Software and GUI Hands-on
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Lol @ the voice, wasn't any human available so they hired a robot?
Now being more serious, I expected more from the landscape mode, but I don't think that's a huge problem.
billybobjones said:
I need this phone to be released immediately. =\
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Signed
I don't like how they did away with all the hardware buttons. That's going to be a pain-in-the-rear.
KyleK29 said:
I don't like how they did away with all the hardware buttons. That's going to be a pain-in-the-rear.
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I agree 100%. This alone might make be enough to make me jump ship (and the driver debacle, that too). The jog wheel means that much to me.
<insertwittyusernamehere> said:
I agree 100%. This alone might make be enough to make me jump ship (and the driver debacle, that too). The jog wheel means that much to me.
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its a TOUCH category , so it should have less HW keys
I dont want to seem funny or anything, but in what little I can find out about this phone, I have deduced that it is everything the touch diamond is... except for it has a keyboard... and that the landscape "touchflo 3d" is pretty much 8 icons...
please, someone tell me im wrong and that ive missed something here...
Touch Pro has:
More RAM (288MB)
LED light for camera
Hardware keyboard
Higher battery capacity
TV out
microSDHC slot (instead of built-in 4GB in Diamond)
it's possible that I forgot something...
more RAM ay... i guess it depends on whether it really will speed up things, or whether itll go back to the usual problem of the graphics drivers being non-exsistant.
Personally, and im probably on my own here, it just seems that the pro will be £100+ more because it has a keyboard and a few more little things... dont get me wrong, i got my kaiser because i love having a real qwerty etc, i just wish that it had a bit more "oomph" behind it than the diamond... and some graphic drivers
Lanyz said:
Touch Pro has:
More RAM (288MB)
LED light for camera
Hardware keyboard
Higher battery capacity
TV out
microSDHC slot (instead of built-in 4GB in Diamond)
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Weight of 165g opposed the 110g from Diamond
comes with Worldcard mobile and JetCet print pre-installed.....??
Nah, doesn't excite me either!
Anyhoo, you end up with around 200MB Program memory and 320MB Storage Memory just after a hard reset. That's more than on my advantage!!
No demo of the camera in the software demo huh? That's not usually a good sign.
Sorry if this is completly out of place here but I just have to ask!
I am getting tired of all the problems with HTC devices, and I am considering buying another device just to be able to do what I want!
Let´s face it, I have had many different HTC devices, and there is always a problem somewhere! Either it´s the video driver or gps lag or whatever...
Now, I am not ready to give up on my TP just yet, and that is mainly becouse of this great forum. So I am keeping my TP to see if things get better in the future!
But I still want to be able to use my GPS software properly, and would also like to be able to watch movies without having to bring another set of devices with me where ever I go!
I was looking at the new Touch HD, but it seems that it has video issues as well!
So now I was thinking about the Samsung Omnia!
All the reviews I read so far seems promising, the device is very fast and is even DivX certified!
My question is, have you used or do you own a Samsung Omnia?
If yes, then what is your opinion about it? Is it really as good as I think it is or is it just another HTC like device with many buggs?
Will I be able to watch my videos smoothly or not?
Will I be able to use the gps without lag?
How does it compare to TP when it comes to other programs and games?
How is the screen compared to TP, does it feal much bigger or not?
Or maybe you can suggest another device that meets my demands, I am open for sugestion!
I know these are alot of questions, but I hope that some of you can help me out here! I am really frustrated that I have to bring several different devices with me to be able to do everything that my expencive TP was supposed to be able to do!
Thanks to all of you in advance!
my 2 cents...
list out ur priorities in what you want and then choose from there...
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video = get iphone
GSP = get nokia
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for what u have stated, i'd personally get the HD over the Omina as its more sexy but its a bit bigger which is a turn off. If ur choices are limited to HD or Omina then I'd choose HD as I would think the battery would be better and lets face it... all phone are crap if the battery sucks...
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my 2 cents...
list out ur priorities in what you want and then choose from there...
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video = get iphone
GSP = get nokia
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for what u have stated, i'd personally get the HD over the Omina as its more sexy but its a bit bigger which is a turn off. If ur choices are limited to HD or Omina then I'd choose HD as I would think the battery would be better and lets face it... all phone are crap if the battery sucks...
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The fact the HD is bigger then Omnia is no issue for me, and I also think that HD is the better looking device!
However I read in the HD forum that HD still has problems with video playback, now if that is true it´s a complete turn off for me!
A negative, Omnia won't have world 3G (850/1900 + 2100).
NuShrike said:
A negative, Omnia won't have world 3G (850/1900 + 2100).
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I live in Sweden, does that apply even here or just for US?
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The fact the HD is bigger then Omnia is no issue for me, and I also think that HD is the better looking device!
However I read in the HD forum that HD still has problems with video playback, now if that is true it´s a complete turn off for me!
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the default playback is not important to me as I only use CorePlayer... unless i'm mistaken and ur talking abt the phone hardware itself.... that i'm not technical enough to comment on.
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the default playback is not important to me as I only use CorePlayer... unless i'm mistaken and ur talking abt the phone hardware itself.... that i'm not technical enough to comment on.
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I think it is problem with hardware becouse they say that there is no smooth playback even with CP without converting!
Maybe another device is better then Omnia?
If Omnia is not as good, maybe you all can suggest me another device that will fit my needs?
Thanks!
I am responsible for the mobile devices in our company. I have a T-Mobile Vario IV (HTC Touch Pro) and a T-Mobile Vario III (HTC Kaiser) for my own use. I have ordered and configured 2 Samsung Omnia, 3 Vario IV, 3 Compact IV (HTC Diamond) and the best after all is the Vario IV.
The Omnia software feels not very well. The TF3D ist much more comfortable als feels really smooth.
If you can live without the g-sensor, get the Xperia X1 and put HD manilla on it.
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If you can live without the g-sensor, get the Xperia X1 and put HD manilla on it.
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I tought the X1 had a much smaller screen, and less RAM?
Bigger, higher res screen than touch pro, better battery too. And 3.5mm headphones. If only it had been available in Australia a month ago (still isn't). That said, I like my touch pro. The GPS isn't so bad it's not useful and it's a big improvement on my old Hermes...
I was trying to decide between the Omnia and the Pro myself. I ended up keeping my Touch Pro - largely because of the cost difference between identical plans with Sprint and Verizon.
Video will definitely run smoothly on the Omnia because it has a faster processor, and is not running a VGA screen. The screen is much lower resolution and nonstandard though it's bigger. That said, quality TV Out will be limited to files it's native player can output. Otherwise, you're only getting the resolution of the screen, 400 x 240 I think.
On the Touch Pro, I've gotten good performance with the files I normally play using either Coreplayer or Divx Player. I've heard bad reviews about unconverted files using TV Out - but am waiting for a cable to try myself.
When you're comparing screens - the Touch Pro is higher resolution but the Omnia is bigger. I can see positives and negatives to both in viewing webpages or images. But for video play and output the Omnia should be faster.
By the way, I should add that though the Touch HD has a bigger, 800 x 480 screen - video play should be slower/choppier than the Touch pro because it has the same processor. The same processor would have to move even more pixels, which is already causing slow performance with the Raphael's VGA screen.
The only possibility for better performance with a VGA (or higher) screen, is a faster processor or better integrated video drivers.
If I were you, I wouldn't sink a lot of money into a samsung phone. IMO they are generally not very good. That being said, the Omnia is obviously not a standard samsung.
pros
-it has innovative interface
-bigger screen
-good with media
cons
-lower res screen (is it wqvga? i think it is)
-NO STYLUS SLOT (huge turnoff)
no qwerty (we are comparing to touch pro here)
this being said, I feel that there is little the omnia can do that the pro can't. with coreplayer, video playback is flawless for me, even when i am viewing a 700mb divx encoded movie
I purchased omnia!
Okey, so I decided to buy the Omnia even if most of you voted against it!
Boy am I glad I did that!
I have spent almost this whole day testing the device, the first thing I tested was to copy a 1.2 gb Xvid movie to it, it played out of the box with it´s built in touch player so I did not even have to install CorePlayer! And do I even have to mention that it did not lag/stutter even once watching the whole movie, with alot of action scenes!
Then I installed TomTom 7 and BeeLine GPS and went out for a walk!
Testing BeelineGPS while walking was a whole different experience then with my Touch Pro, the compas view rotated and adjusted it´s position with every step I took! (With Touch Pro it only updated every 10 to 20 meters!) What a difference!
TomTom performed just as well, it followed my car exactly even in high speed!
And it is alot snappier then my Touch Pro even tho it has less ram! Rotating screen is an instant and overall performance is way better then the TP!
Bare in mind that I have installed custom speedy rom in my TP, and the Omnia is all original! Now imagine what this device can do with a custom rom!
I dont know about you, but I can just say that I dont believe I made a misstake with this device, but I have to keep testing it a bit more, just had it one day so far!
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my 2 cents...
list out ur priorities in what you want and then choose from there...
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video = get iphone
GSP = get nokia
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for what u have stated, i'd personally get the HD over the Omina as its more sexy but its a bit bigger which is a turn off. If ur choices are limited to HD or Omina then I'd choose HD as I would think the battery would be better and lets face it... all phone are crap if the battery sucks...
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As I said, I bought the omnia yesterday, and today after two days of pretty heavy use, I still have 40% battery left!
So the batter is in fact better then in my tp which did not even last for one full day!
What network has the Omnia? I want one! This fuze has done nothing but frustrate me! What carrier are you with?
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What network has the Omnia? I want one! This fuze has done nothing but frustrate me! What carrier are you with?
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I live in Sweden so I am not familiar with the networks in us, but this is what I see in my Omnia settings: Automatic, GSM 900/1800, GSM 850/1900 and WCDMA!
I should point out that this is a 3G device and it works great here in sweden, it also has HSDPA (Hight speed internet!)
Hope this helps!
I love my Omnia, but especially with this ROM: http://www.modaco.com/content/i900-...illa2d-with-flashlite-3-1-and-uc-dthj9-m2d03/
But I can get a great deal on a Fuze through work and I'm tempted to pick one up as well... this last month or so that I've had the Omnia is the first time since the Blue Angel came out that I haven't had an HTC device
I just saw the new HTC Touch Pro 2. But as usually, it is not perfect. It is always missing some specs.
So I build one as I think could be a perfect devise. The name is HTC Touch Pro 3.
What do you think if this devise was on sale?
Have a look on the specs at: http://marcustavares.wordpress.com/2009/02/22/htc-touch-pro-3-a-dream-pda
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What do you think if this devise was on sale?
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I think it would cost at least £1000 SIM-free and, frankly, wouldn't sell to most people, simply because of the price.
All the Touch-Pro-2 needs really is a 3.5mm headphone socket.
Like the one they put on the Touch HD, damnit!
Best things in it:
- OLED display
- the projector. Build in a tripod and the TV output is not so important.
What it lacks:
- 50-200mm F/1.8 lens with image stabilization.
- Windows Mobile with CE Core 6.0.
But they won't build such a device, because it would satisfy most people for about 5 years.
kosherpig said:
But they won't build such a device, because it would satisfy most people for about 5 years.
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I think this is the REAL PROBLEM here. All they could think of is how to squeeze more money from us.
Htc is trying to rip us off. I mean why can't they just focus on a particular phone like the iphone and build on it till its perfect. Instead they release all these new phones with the same features and slight difference and charge u an arm and a leg and i can just buy an iphone for $200usd. I mean what the hell is wron with those idiots at htc. I need to buy some shares and have a say in that company because clearly they a great at creating but horrible at business.
12.1MP camera.
Lol it would be 12.1 mp of blur.
the problem with HTC
do u guys realize the software support for HTC sucks big time? For example I have a HTC Advantage. They could have improved the video playback of the G-sensor. Instead they just ignored it and went on selling other new products.
I agree the cost might be too high. The 3.5mm headphone socket I don't need as I use the Motorola S9-HD but I agree it is important.
If I need to chose one item it will be the camera. 3.1 is defenetly low for a device is comming in the middle of 2009 and in the mean time lots of competitors like Samsung OmniaHD, Nokia N97 and others are comming with better camera.
3?! 2 won't even be out for a few months.
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Htc is trying to rip us off. I mean why can't they just focus on a particular phone like the iphone and build on it till its perfect. Instead they release all these new phones with the same features and slight difference and charge u an arm and a leg and i can just buy an iphone for $200usd. I mean what the hell is wron with those idiots at htc. I need to buy some shares and have a say in that company because clearly they a great at creating but horrible at business.
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HTC release devices like the TP2 for those that need a keyboard, the Diamond for those that want something small, the HD for those that want films etc. They've realised there is no perfect device, so why not make something for everyone?
Also, those complaining about incremental improvements, look at the iPhone. So, the second gen has 3G. Which it should have had the first time around. That's about the only new thing hardware wise.
Also, no one is forcing you to by HTC. If you love the iPhone so much, go and buy one, and regret it.
I read your specs, and while it is good to dream, even maybe hint at a potential HTC engineer what to do next...you should also keep in mind some physical constraints, so here are my few remarks ;-)
a screen of 10 cm of diagonal, and a 5 way dpad seems very difficult to fit in a 59x116mm device. Your screen is 85mm high, add 2*2mm for borders, 7mm up for the front camera and loudspeaker, and u have 10mm to fit a 5 way dpad... difficult! and a zoom bar? forget it ;-)
Fitting an optical zoom in a 17 mm thick device? difficult, u would need to use 45 degree mirror to angle the zoom/captor 90 degree (it will be set in the width of the device)...and then u can forget about the projector...
Also, such arangements (optical zoom OR microprojector) would change the physical layout of your device. Basically, it would look more like the G1 than the touch pro, the DPAD/zoom bar should stay fixed with regard to keyboard to have some room to fit those devices.
USB3 is not supported by snapdragon, so this is not possible (additional control chip is not possible, for space and energy usage reasons)
same for wimax and 802.11n wifi...not sure it support 1080P output either, I think it is 720p. Recording in 1080P/30fps is certainly out of reach of the snapdragon...but even if it could do it, no way u could use such a resolution with the small lens in anything less than bright sunlight or studio lighting. and even then, i am not sure it would be better than 720P. 1080P camcoders need a significant lens opening, you need a lot of photons to get an acceptable signal/noise at 30 fps with so many pixels...
scroll wheel would be very nice! I wonder why this has faded from all current smartphones, it was popular at one time, and for good reasons: some kind of side control is great for navigating in lists, webpage or ebooks...So yes, here I am 100% with you: it is time for a comeback
And last: I think it is not possible to fit a 2100 mAh battery given the size of the device and the presence of a physical keyboard: it would have to be thicker..or without keyboard...batteries with higher energy density could allow it, but they are not available right now, and hoping for such a significant progress would push your dream device to long term future ;-)
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I agree the cost might be too high. The 3.5mm headphone socket I don't need as I use the Motorola S9-HD but I agree it is important.
If I need to chose one item it will be the camera. 3.1 is defenetly low for a device is comming in the middle of 2009 and in the mean time lots of competitors like Samsung OmniaHD, Nokia N97 and others are comming with better camera.
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3 megapixels is enough for amateur photography, especially in mobile phone
I prefer less megapixel with less noise than the opposite.
Do you make prints bigger than 20x30cm (8x12in.) ?
I did 20x30cm prints from 3mpix DSLR camera (Sigma SD9) and quality was very good...
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Nice, but for the vid recording, how about CCD, its better than CMOS apparantly, and make the image quality really high, as that is what makes a photo look nicer. And seriously, a dream phone should have UMTS 850/900/1700/1900/2100, which is what the XPERIA should have had.
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Nice, but for the vid recording, how about CCD, its better than CMOS apparantly, and make the image quality really high, as that is what makes a photo look nicer. And seriously, a dream phone should have UMTS 850/900/1700/1900/2100, which is what the XPERIA should have had.
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I think multi-purposes camera are going back to CMOS. From what I understand, CMOS suffered from image non-uniformity...but this has been mostly solved. On the other hand, CMOS decrease price of supporting circuitry, but also allows for faster framerates. So the new photo/video camera with high framerate video recording (30fps/60fps/even more for slow motion) are going back to CMOS...
Oh, ok, thanks for the info man!
dream device= touch pro with faster cpu in a kaiser body.
i just have to have soft keys.
Dream device
1 ghz processor
3.5" screen
Universal unbeatable form factor: Microlap top-pda
great keyboard
Waiting for Phone after Touch Pro 2
I bought the Mogul in 8/07 and the Touch Pro 1 in 10/08 and don't see the need to jump at the Touch Pro 2 for $500-$600 with only minor improvements, even if I can sell (which I always do) my TP1 on ebay. I'll wait for the phone after the TP 2 from HTC that has:
-WM 7
-5 MP camera
-better battery life
-700+ MHz processor
-4GB ROM
-1GB RAM
-etc., etc.
Going from the TP 1 to TP 2 is a waste of money IMHO and everyone making the jump won't be able to get the 2 year contract discount which is still $400 with it. I'll put my $400 to the next upgrade due in late 2010 or early 2011. I'm good with Mighty ROM 6...LOL
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Dream device
1 ghz processor
3.5" screen
Universal unbeatable form factor: Microlap top-pda
great keyboard
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Add TV-Out or a projector and I'll dish out $ for that, as long as it'll have att 3G (preferably unbranded)
Touch Pro3
Android or Webos
Cortex A8 Processor or Snapdragon/tegra.
same form factor+headphone jack
slightly larger screen because of the omission of the zoom bar.
same screen resolution.
i tried to be realistic because all these things are possible right now not some fantasy device. (with the exception of licensing Webos or just building it for Palm)
Really liking the design thus far. The back looks rubberized, has better speakers, and on top of that, it looks like that there is some derivative of a xenon flash? I like how the name is put on the back too. Plus, 1 ghz is what's attracting me here.
From everything that I've read, it is either going to be 5 or 8 MP camera. I'll be happy with either so long as HTC makes the camera of good quality, not the crap we've seen on the diamonds.
Will definitely invest the ~$500-$600 for this phone, but chances are this may run up to $1,000
It looks fantastic, though in Australia it probably will cost $1k+ ;{
How does the Snapdragon measure up to Tegra?
See this active thread for the latest info on a very cool htc ppc:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=560143
Some discordance seems to be around---
As the line EDITED Pro product line is with hardware keyboard, like Rapahel aka touch pro and rhodium aka touch pro 2
So the EDITED pro 3 should have a keyboard
Anyone have this more clear?
what is shure is that leo is not the EDITED pro 3
orb3000 said:
Some discordance seems to be around---
As the line Touch Pro product line is with hardware keyboard, like Rapahel aka touch pro and rhodium aka touch pro 2
So the touch pro 3 should have a keyboard
Anyone have this more clear?
what is shure is that leo is not the touch pro 3
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Im actually glad this doesn't have a physical keyboard. with a 4.3" capacitative touch screen and 1ghz, this on screen keyboard should be even better. Plus, less bulk
Agree mate, I don't use the keyboard and I want a light weight HTC ppc, big screen & Powerful cpu! So this will be my next device
orb3000 said:
Some discordance seems to be around---
As the line Touch Pro product line is with hardware keyboard, like Rapahel aka touch pro and rhodium aka touch pro 2
So the touch pro 3 should have a keyboard
Anyone have this more clear?
what is shure is that leo is not the touch pro 3
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The Leo is actually HD2 instead of Touch Pro 3. I am very sure that a version with the slide out keyboard will follow very soon aka TP3 with the exact same spec as HD2.
For me, I will get the HD2 for the uprated hardware and capacitive touch screen and then change to TP3 when it launches in the near future (I hope).
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The Leo is actually HD2 instead of Touch Pro 3. I am very sure that a version with the slide out keyboard will follow very soon aka TP3 with the exact same spec as HD2.
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How long after the Touch HD launched did the Touch Pro 2 come out?
I think HTC is operating on a roughly annual cycle. The Touch HD2 is due out roughly a year after the original Touch HD. I wouldn't expect to see the successor to the TP2 and TD2 until May 2010.
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Really liking the design thus far. The back looks rubberized, has better speakers, and on top of that, it looks like that there is some derivative of a xenon flash? I like how the name is put on the back too. Plus, 1 ghz is what's attracting me here.
From everything that I've read, it is either going to be 5 or 8 MP camera. I'll be happy with either so long as HTC makes the camera of good quality, not the crap we've seen on the diamonds.
Will definitely invest the ~$500-$600 for this phone, but chances are this may run up to $1,000
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It's not a Xenon flash, it's simply dual-LED. And the camera is 5MP, not 8. I wouldn't hold your breath for an HTC phone with a good camera.
Shasarak said:
It's not a Xenon flash, it's simply dual-LED. And the camera is 5MP, not 8. I wouldn't hold your breath for an HTC phone with a good camera.
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It's good to have a phone maker focus on making great phones rather than making 12MP camera *cough*Samsung*cough* with the same crappy CMOS sensor as a $25 webcam.
I'm actually glad that HTC doesnt bother themselves with 1080p video and TV-out functions and actually focus on what's important -- improving the user experience WITHIN the phone.
orb3000 said:
Some discordance seems to be around---
As the line Touch Pro product line is with hardware keyboard, like Rapahel aka touch pro and rhodium aka touch pro 2
So the touch pro 3 should have a keyboard
Anyone have this more clear?
what is shure is that leo is not the touch pro 3
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The problem there is that you are completely inventing the word "Touch". It does not appear at all on the device! This is "Pro.Three" not "Touch Pro 3". Quite different.
Of course, it may not appear anywhere under the Pro.Three branding, and this may have even just been a prototype naming not for public release, and it will be HD2 everywhere.
Stop inventing the word "Touch"! Why are so many people doing this? I may as wonder why they are calling it the "Super Gopher Molester Pro 3" when it doesn't molest gophers! That's because "Supoer Gopher Molester" isn't in the name!
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I'm actually glad that HTC doesnt bother themselves with 1080p video and TV-out functions and actually focus on what's important -- improving the user experience WITHIN the phone.
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I'd quite like to see a phone with HDMI output so you can use it as a pocketsized media PC. Actually a phone with a built-in high-definition projector would be quite neat too. (They do make projector phones, but not in HD as far as I know).
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The Leo is actually HD2 instead of Touch Pro 3. I am very sure that a version with the slide out keyboard will follow very soon aka TP3 with the exact same spec as HD2.
For me, I will get the HD2 for the uprated hardware and capacitive touch screen and then change to TP3 when it launches in the near future (I hope).
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Thanks for the aclaration, I guess I´m going to wait till a harware keyboard comes out as is a must for me
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The problem there is that you are completely inventing the word "Touch". It does not appear at all on the device! This is "Pro.Three" not "Touch Pro 3". Quite different.
Of course, it may not appear anywhere under the Pro.Three branding, and this may have even just been a prototype naming not for public release, and it will be HD2 everywhere.
Stop inventing the word "Touch"! Why are so many people doing this? I may as wonder why they are calling it the "Super Gopher Molester Pro 3" when it doesn't molest gophers! That's because "Supoer Gopher Molester" isn't in the name!
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You´re right is not touch, but hey relax!
I was just searching about all this as I was not sure...
Peace,
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I may as wonder why they are calling it the "Super Gopher Molester Pro 3" when it doesn't molest gophers! That's because "Super Gopher Molester" isn't in the name!
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I'd buy that. Bill Murray should have had one, that gopher wouldn't have caused him so much trouble.
balf said:
I'd buy that. Bill Murray should have had one, that gopher wouldn't have caused him so much trouble.
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I'm not an advocate for man+gopher relationships, but I'd love to see that movie (FOR COMEDIC REASONS ONLY...I SWEAR!).
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You´re right is not touch, but hey relax!
I was just searching about all this as I was not sure...
Peace,
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Nothing against you, you're just the first one at hand to rant at!
It's just annoying the number of people that can't read a few simple words in front of their own eyes. Fair enough on a forum, but when you have supposed "news sites" that allegedly specialse in phone info reporting the release of the "Touch Pro 3", it's pretty darn annoying.
for example : http://www.fonearena.com/blog/2009/09/28/htc-leo-touch-pro-3-pics.html
Idiots! This crud is to quality reporting what herpes is to world peace.
Shame your way of thinking is so radical...
I wouldn´t call anyone an idiot
Respect is 1st, then our opinions come...
Leo doesn't cover my list of requirements . I need a 4 inch resistive screen, 1 ghz cpu, slide-out keyboard, quality speakers, WinMo and a d-pad.
Leo will be HD 2, but Leo with a keyboard might get to be TOUCH Pro 3. Anyway, TOUCH Pro 3 will have similar specs, judging by the current HTC policy. I am looking forward to hearing about the TOUCH Pro 3 and replacing my X1 with it. The X2 sucks, TP2 sucks and any device without a keyboard is pathetic as far as I'm concerned. TOUCH Pro 3 might be the one.
P.S. TOUCH, TOUCH, TOUCH, TOUCH, TOUCH, TOUCH...
Shasarak said:
How long after the Touch HD launched did the Touch Pro 2 come out?
I think HTC is operating on a roughly annual cycle. The Touch HD2 is due out roughly a year after the original Touch HD. I wouldn't expect to see the successor to the TP2 and TD2 until May 2010.
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In my country, the TP2 came out about 2 - 3 months after the HD.
I would like to think that May 2010 seems to be realistic for TP3... 4.3 inch capacitive, 1ghz snapdragon with slide out keyboard!
Right now I am just waiting to ditch my HERO for the HD2 the moment it comes out
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Leo doesn't cover my list of requirements . I need a 4 inch resistive screen, 1 ghz cpu, slide-out keyboard, quality speakers, WinMo and a d-pad.
Leo will be HD 2, but Leo with a keyboard might get to be TOUCH Pro 3. Anyway, TOUCH Pro 3 will have similar specs, judging by the current HTC policy. I am looking forward to hearing about the TOUCH Pro 3 and replacing my X1 with it. The X2 sucks, TP2 sucks and any device without a keyboard is pathetic as far as I'm concerned. TOUCH Pro 3 might be the one.
P.S. TOUCH, TOUCH, TOUCH, TOUCH, TOUCH, TOUCH...
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completly agree!!