So, Windows RT is dead. There is scheduled Update 3 in September, but it will only feature minor changes. It was also confirmed that Windows 10 Universal Apps will not run on RT Update 3. So, pretty much the same situation as Windows Phone 7(.8).
The question is simple. Could Windows 10 Mobile be ported to Windows RT devices? I know WP8 on WP7 was not possible because of lack of drivers, but this was largely due change of kernel (NT instead of CE). Windows 10 are based on NT kernel as well as Windows 10 Mobile, so it should theoretically work. What is your opinion?
WP8 is based on NT too. WP8 and W10M can be run on Surface RT, but only after unlock Secure Boot. Just wait Jailbreak for W8.1RT
I kind of have to agree with Dj_Art. If we can get a jailbreak that works with Windows RT 8.1 Update 3 that would be the best case scenario for RT devices.
Since Microsoft isn't supporting Windows Mobile on 10" devices at this time it's hard to tell what kind of experience it would provide on an RT device. That's assuming it is even possible to get it to install and boot, which is subject I don't have much knowledge of. I have heard that many Windows 8 drivers work in Windows 10, so it would stand to reason that perhaps the drivers for RT devices might be compatible with Windows 10 Mobile on a theoretical level. That's about all I can say on that.
I have a feeling that since that update is coming out the people working on the 8.1 jailbreak (that works just not released) will be witholding until the update in September is released
any updates on this ..
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Joshua Mr PC Repair said:
any updates on this ..
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IoT runs, https://twitter.com/never_released/status/660133493872140288, and with the SBexploit, I don't see why not
That's really great! Keep us updated about your works!
Awesome work!
Waiting on future updates.
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Waiting on future updates.
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wait as my Surface is in warranty service
So, any updates on the progress of this?
There is this software called Neverware / CloudReady. It is basically Chrome OS for lower end devices. Can we get this installed on there somehow?
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So, any updates on the progress of this?
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Redstone is signed with another(development) CA, I have to wait for the RTM to try
Are there any news about Win10 on the Surface RT?
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Are there any news about Win10 on the Surface RT?
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There is some bad news trying to create my own image. I created my packages, the HAL extensions are showing in the FFU, but the HAL extension isn't detected at boot, returning an HAL_INITIALIZATION_FAILED error.
I m waiting, or can we help?
luebby said:
I m waiting, or can we help?
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See my latest tweet
black_blob said:
There is some bad news trying to create my own image. I created my packages, the HAL extensions are showing in the FFU, but the HAL extension isn't detected at boot, returning an HAL_INITIALIZATION_FAILED error.
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How about you create an image for the Lumia 2520? Wouldn't it be easier to test?
Is there a chance to boot it to the "Continuum" Desktop too?
I think especially 10240 would be interesting, because people could use win10 Apps & Android Apps and the ROM for multiple devices (Lumia 930 / 1520 -> both have the same chipset as the Lumia 2520) leaked.
Any news?
Had a asus winrt tab here and "need" a win 10 (mobile) update ....
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Hi every one , simple question .
Does WM7 support flash ?
thanks
machhho said:
Hi every one , simple question .
Does WM7 support flash ?
thanks
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Windows Phone 7 doesn't support flash.
thanks for replying, but what about the mango release does it include flash support .
I think it doesn't. It gives better support for browsing (html5 and i think Silverlight). Other than that, nope, nothing.
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thanks for replying, but what about the mango release does it include flash support .
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HTML5 support has been added in Mango. Flash will never be an added functionality to the phone.
You get flash in windows 7 but not windows 7 phone seems pretty stupid to me, because they have the right hardware to support e.g. CPU.
dilzo said:
You get flash in windows 7 but not windows 7 phone seems pretty stupid to me.
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I dont think it's stupid. It has to do with licensing and the fact that flash is a competitor. Furthermore, flash is starting to become defunct and HTML5 is becoming the new standard. Microsoft is even starting to embrace html5 and say the hell with Silverlight.
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You get flash in windows 7 but not windows 7 phone seems pretty stupid to me
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What is "windows 7 phone?"
There's Windows 7, which is a PC OS, and there's Windows Phone 7, which is phone OS. They share the word "Windows" and the number 7 in their names, but they are not the same thing. In particular, Windows Phone 7 is not a mobile version of Windows 7.
It also seems to be an issue with Adobe even creating a Flash engine to work on the WP7 platform. They have supported Android and that is it as far as mobile.
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It also seems to be an issue with Adobe even creating a Flash engine to work on the WP7 platform. They have supported Android and that is it as far as mobile.
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Yeah it would require access to some low-level api that MS isn't willing to expose. I'll say they may have been able to get flash working on Nodo, but since Native code is disabled in Mango.. that's a DEFINITE NoGo ( )
Flash would also be another attack vector for the platform, over which Microsoft would have no control - it will solely depend on updates provided by Adobe. So a more Microsoft-based sandboxed environment, this problem is avoided.
Besides, I think soon enough we will see a migration to non-flash content for a lot of popular resources (e.g. YouTube, ScribDB, Vimeo), so spending time on implementing a 10+ year old technology inside a modern platform would not make much sense when much more attractive alternatives are available.
No flash support.....one of the reasons I left wp7. Among complete control over my device. I loved wp7 concept but y'all will never have total control over your devices.
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Well this topic has bound to come up as soon as it was announced Running Windows RT on Android devices.
What boundaries are there?
Limitations?
The first thing that comes to mind (obvious but....) are drivers. Can someone confirm that Windows RT supports mobile radios?
Yup, its supports mobile radios.....
Something related would be WP8 drivers on WRT...........
whats keeping us from just pulling the software and burning it as a bin to a usb drive then booting it on an android
Hi guys!
As you, I'm trying to port Windows RT to Android.
There are good possibilities, but I haven't got a ISO of Windows RT and a Android tablet .
I hope to find a iso as soon as possible.
Ciao, Marocco2
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Hi guys!
As you, I'm trying to port Windows RT to Android.
There are good possibilities, but I haven't got a ISO of Windows RT and a Android tablet .
I hope to find a iso as soon as possible.
Ciao, Marocco2
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Hey, what are you talking about?? Windows RT isn't in ISO form. because it is a flashable OS, it's not like Windows 8 or any other desktop OS, but like Windows Phone or Windows Mobile. Maybe flashing WinRT to system with Linux can be possible later, but not now.
Right now 8.1 is a preview but what happens when it is fully released? Will windows RT auto update to it even if we don't like 8.1 and want to stay on Windows 8 RT?
I know you can disable auto-updates by hacking the registry but Id rather not have to do that.
Any way to keep automatic updates but ensure your system never upgrades to 8.1?
Why? 8.1 works great.
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Any way to keep automatic updates but ensure your system never upgrades to 8.1?
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Windows RT is supported by WSUS. I never tested it myself, but you can setup your device to get updates not from MS site but from your local WSUS server - and just don't approve there the updates you don't like.
And similar to earlier service packs - there would be an "8.1 blocker" (look for Win7 SP1 blocker here: http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=22464). As this is just a registry key - it may work on RT too.
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Why? 8.1 works great.
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One massive issue with 8.1 which is enough to keep a large user base from updating: jailbreak.
Once there is a jailbreak for 8.1 though, then your argument would be valid.
Not sure why you wouldn't want to run updates but so far Windows 8.1 rocks! Makes RT so much better.
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One massive issue with 8.1 which is enough to keep a large user base from updating: jailbreak.
Once there is a jailbreak for 8.1 though, then your argument would be valid.
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You talking about a jailbreak for 8.1 RT? Is so what type of stuff can you do with the jailbreak?
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Why? 8.1 works great.
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Not sure why you wouldn't want to run updates but so far Windows 8.1 rocks! Makes RT so much better.
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Not on the Asus Vivo RT it doesn't :silly:
8.1 really f#&@'s up the trackpad
Wow that's good to know.. I'm currently running it on a Dell T3500 desktop both Surface RT & Pro.
Are you sure it's not a driver issue. Maybe Asus have some updates available for track pad?
@Dane Reynolds: You new here? The Windows RT jailbreak has been a pretty big deal - especially on the RT Dev&Hacking sub-forum here - since its initial reveal over half a year ago. It removes the signing restrictions that Microsoft uses to lock out third-party desktop apps. With the jailbreak, you can:
1) Run .NET 4 (or later) desktop programs.
2) Run open-source Win32 desktop programs that were recompiled for RT (there's a list of them; check my sig).
3) Run a handful of programs specifically written for Windows RT tablets, including an x86 emulation layer.
4) Run various non-.NET legacy programs (some x86 through the emulation layer, some Java through IKVM, some Python through an incomplete port, Perl, Ruby, Lua, and a bunch of game engines).
5) Install third-party drivers (such as the open-source program Process Hacker uses).
Windows RT 8.1 breaks the method used to jailbreak RT 8.0. There are people working on getting it back - the OS is a hell of a lot more useful when you can run things like PuTTY and 7-Zip and even WebKit-based web browsers - but until them, most people that hang out around here are either dual-booting 8.0 and 8.1 (if they have enough space) or just sticking with 8.0.
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Nah, I've been here since RT was released, I heard about the jailbreak but was never interested, but the only reason I wasn't interested was I never found any fun stuff to do with the jailbreak.
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Nah, I've been here since RT was released, I heard about the jailbreak but was never interested, but the only reason I wasn't interested was I never found any fun stuff to do with the jailbreak.
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no fun stuff? Quakes 1, 2 and 3. Numerous other games, MAME I think.
Python.
.NET
FreeDownloadManager
a torrent client
An html5 browser other than IE (hopefully chromium or Firefox eventually)
PuTTY (would be an absolute must have for me)
Loads of other software many either useful or fun or both.
It really opens up the desktop side of RT
Damn, quake sounds fun and I could use chrome ... I kind of regret getting 8.1
I see the use for a jailbreak but I think it brings the OS backwards. These desktop apps aren't optimized for touch. I think building apps for the new interface is the way to go.
Funny; I get around fine using touch on the desktop (no, my fingers aren't even tiny). Well, except for typing. That sucks, Desktop or Metro. So, I have a Touch Cover, which makes typing a lot nicer. It also has a trackpad, so I only use touch when it's better than using a trackpad.
So, now I have a keyboard and pointing device, in addition to touch, for the device to be useful to me. Care to explain to me again why using apps which are amenable to all three input methods, instead of only one, "brings the OS backwards"? Because the way I see it, taking a multi-input device and excluding all those apps which aren't (over) optimized for a single form of input is a hell of a lot *more* backward...
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Damn, quake sounds fun and I could use chrome ... I kind of regret getting 8.1
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I love quake and doom, been playing through doom again on my PSP actually (CFW-PRO to effectively jailbreak the PSP, then there are 2 or 3 ports for PSP)
Chrome isnt out for RT yet. GoodDayToDie had a look, but its complicated. Kudos to him for taking a look anyway, but so far 1 guy on his own hasnt managed to do it. Firefox also has its own issues. We may or may not see them eventually though. The jailbreak would be the first step before you could run them though.
As for 8.1. Trig0r has 8.0 recoveries for the surface RT which you could use to downgrade. Hopefully someone will get 8.1 jailbroken soon too, but microsoft patched the exploit that was being used before.
Thanks, I might ask for a recovery as I love gaming, speaking of gaming i know the Surface's hardware isn't high enough to run games but i was wondering if Onlive would be releasing an app for RT.
That would actually be a legitimate use for OnLive... wasn't sure I'd ever see one of those.
Surface (Pro or RT) are fine for light gaming, or for running older games. The RT does actually have NVidia graphics, they're just really underpowered. The Pro has only Intel graphics, but the Intel GMA for the i5 might actually be more powerful than the RT's Tegra 3 (haven't checked). In any case, there are lots of games known to work (if not always at max resolution / quality) on the Pro, and the RT has a number of older games which have been ported over working fine, and some old x86 games that run in the dynamic recompilation engine also working (though so far as I know, none of those ones are 3D).
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Not sure why you wouldn't want to run updates but so far Windows 8.1 rocks! Makes RT so much better.
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Not on the Asus Vivo RT it doesn't :silly:
8.1 really f#&@'s up the trackpad
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I own VivoTab RT 3g - no problems with trackpad in 8.1. Currently I have no major problems with 8.1 except for the blinking screen issue that is present in 8.0 too. Even VPN works fine, so I finally can connect to my workplace and read email with Outlook, use RDP or Citrix Receiver.
Good morning,
I just got a new surface 2 and I would like to instal the genymotion emulator on it?
How can do it??
Many thanks for your help
You don't.
As far as I'm aware Gene motion is x86 only.
Regards,
Dave
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You don't.
As far as I'm aware Gene motion is x86 only.
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Dave
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can you suggest me an alternative?
The windows store is poor of applications and I find the tablet almost unsefull.
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can you suggest me an alternative?
The windows store is poor of applications and I find the tablet almost unsefull.
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There isn't an alternative either.
As far as I'm aware, until there is a jailbreak for Windows RT 8.1, there is no way to install applications outside of those on the Windows Store.
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Dave
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There isn't an alternative either.
As far as I'm aware, until there is a jailbreak for Windows RT 8.1, there is no way to install applications outside of those on the Windows Store.
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Dave
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Not that there are any outside the Windows Store
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Not that there are any outside the Windows Store
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Apart from those Windows apps that have been recompiled for ARM and run on a jailbroken Surface!
Granted there aren't very many, and they will almost all be open source desktop applications, but they do exist.
If MS opened up the Surface so that desktop apps could be installed, you would likely see many more. For example, Google would port Chrome to RT if they could.
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There are dozens of ported applications (see the link in my signature) with more coming slowly but steadily. There are also lots of pure .NET applications, which work fine on RT once it has been jailbroken. In addition, there are a few custom-written applications for RT, the most important of which is probably @mamaich's x86 dynamic recompilation compatibility layer (sort of like Rosetta for old Macs) that allows running some (old and/or now-demand) x86 programs on RT without modification. Work on it appears to have largely stalled (although the current version is still available, and does work for some programs on RT 8.0) while the jailbreak for RT 8.1 is in development, but I'm confident it will pick up again.
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There are dozens of ported applications (see the link in my signature) with more coming slowly but steadily. There are also lots of pure .NET applications, which work fine on RT once it has been jailbroken. In addition, there are a few custom-written applications for RT, the most important of which is probably @mamaich's x86 dynamic recompilation compatibility layer (sort of like Rosetta for old Macs) that allows running some (old and/or now-demand) x86 programs on RT without modification. Work on it appears to have largely stalled (although the current version is still available, and does work for some programs on RT 8.0) while the jailbreak for RT 8.1 is in development, but I'm confident it will pick up again.
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great job but I have still wait for the jailbreak, have i?
Since you have 8.1, yes, you'll need to wait. Sorry...
Hello
I've been reading about jailbreak for windows rt 8.1 because I'm interested on this python for windows rt https://sellfy.com/p/vj3U/ but I read there was some developments but my question is if there is jailbreak for 8.1 rt?
And someone know if that python app would work on rt 8.0 because it dont mession the version of RT and know if this python app is like those we have on x86.
Thank you
No. It will be major news when there is.
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Hello
I've been reading about jailbreak for windows rt 8.1 because I'm interested on this python for windows rt https://sellfy.com/p/vj3U/ but I read there was some developments but my question is if there is jailbreak for 8.1 rt?
And someone know if that python app would work on rt 8.0 because it dont mession the version of RT and know if this python app is like those we have on x86.
Thank you
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You can only run desktop software on 8.0, there is no 8.1 jailbreak released yet.
It is python 2.7.3 as on x86, but its foreign function interface is broken so certain libraries do not work.
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You can only run desktop software on 8.0, there is no 8.1 jailbreak released yet.
It is python 2.7.3 as on x86, but its foreign function interface is broken so certain libraries do not work.
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so I would have to downgrade for 8.0 and some functions migth not work fine... so I think I will stay on 8.1 and using teaviewer xD
Thank you very much
Somebody has an experimental port of the FFI that should fix the issues, but I haven't had time to test it yet. But yes, until we get the jailbreak working, you would need to downgrade.
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Somebody has an experimental port of the FFI that should fix the issues, but I haven't had time to test it yet. But yes, until we get the jailbreak working, you would need to downgrade.
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Excellent news. If I could run Mercurial on my RT I would be one happy developer. I like fossil well enough, but just about everything that I've done for the past five years is on bitbucket in Hg repos.
Is this port available somewhere?
The message I received:
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Dear GoodDayToDie,
I included the libFFI port i made a while ago (if this doesn't work, please let me know because I have made 2 3 different port).
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByNfJPIJQw6hRnlPMHM3b1FFUFU/edit?usp=sharing
Cheer.
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Hi, _ctypes.pyd worked flawlessly. However, Python 2.7.3 test failed on asyncore (It passed all other tests). It could be due to my openssl port.
Edited:
LibFFI is to call a C/Java function at real-time. It allocates a memory to create a wrapper. This wrapper prepares the stack/registers according to ABI, then it calls the function and get back the results if any.
RT port is a just a source conversion from GAS's asm to ARMASM's asm. Since PC LSB bit is set under THUMB mode, I modified the wrapper's memory allocator so that it will increase address returned by VirtualAlloc by 1 (so that the wrapper can be called in THUMB.
(I ported python and posted it here under my coworker's account).
Hey, I did tried the python 27 in test mode and did signed it than, to work in Standard mode, works fine.
Is there the PIP tool ported as well ?