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Today Adobe has announced their next generation of Flash player 10.1 will be available across the wide range of mobile phones out there, including WM. Indeed a public beta will be available for WM phones later this year. Another reason to love our WM phone.
Check out the announcement at: www.adobe.com
Note that this this the full Flash 10, not Flash Lite. And the player is the browser plug-in.
This, I presume, is the announcement you're referring to...?
http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/pressroom/pressreleases/200910/100509AFPforMobileDevicesandPCs.html
There's an interesting omission, there. Check out the first paragraph:
A public developer beta of the browser-based runtime is expected to be available for Windows® Mobile, Palm® webOS and desktop operating systems including Windows, Macintosh and Linux later this year. Public betas for Google® Android™ and Symbian® OS are expected to be available in early 2010. In addition, Adobe and RIM announced a joint collaboration to bring Flash Player to Blackberry® smartphones, and Google joined close to 50 other industry players in the Open Screen Project initiative.
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Windows Mobile, Symbian, Android, Blackberry, Palm WebOS, desktop operating systems... but no mention of the iPhone! I wonder if that's an accidental omission or if they genuinely won't be porting it to the iPhone for a while? If the latter, then that might help some other phone platforms to survive in the face of the iPhone juggernaut, which is no bad thing.
The iPhone is rather conspicuous by its absence, but that's no doubt down to Apple rather than Adobe.
The fact that flash let's you load dynamic executable content from those darn interwebs means that Flash 10.1 is pretty darn unlikely to ever appear on the iPhone. Of course with 95%* of Flash content being ads, it's unclear if this is a plus or a minus for Apple.
*according to an in-depth survey of myself.
Apples terms don't scripted languages on the iPhone. Unless Apple change the policy flash will NEVER be on the iPhone.
I've used this many times to annoy my iPhone fanboy mate
Monty Burns said:
Apples terms don't scripted languages on the iPhone. Unless Apple change the policy flash will NEVER be on the iPhone.
I've used this many times to annoy my iPhone fanboy mate
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Adobe's Flash anyway. Apple has it's own engine I think. (but it of course is limited in what it can do)
Anyway, hurray for WM!
Reason why iPhone is not listed is because Steve Jobs would not allow Flash on iPhone. Apple is pushing its own Quicktime as a standard and would do anything to stop Flash being the standard.
Besides, supporting Flash would mean anyone can download and run a Flash apps without the need to go through the Apple App Store. Thereby bypassing Apple's total control of their platform.
So the above means that we won't see Flash on iPhone in the foreseeable future. At least not in its current form.
Now there are some developers who are writing a compiler that would compile a Flash app into native Apple app. But that is another story.
Monty Burns said:
Apples terms don't scripted languages on the iPhone. Unless Apple change the policy flash will NEVER be on the iPhone.
I've used this many times to annoy my iPhone fanboy mate
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No, the Flash app is a compiled app (compiled into binary code).
Lord_BlackAdder said:
No, the Flash app is a compiled app (compiled into binary code).
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Wire disagree with you and so do Apple.
REASON 1:
. "No interpreted code may be downloaded and used in an Application except for code that is interpreted and run by Apple’s Published APIs and built-in interpreter(s)."
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Taken from: http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2008/11/adobe-flash-on/
REASON 2:
That means Flash would open a new door for application developers to get their software onto the iPhone: Just code them in Flash
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Now....
Blackadder, its notthing to do with Quicktime. Its a technical issue and the way Flash allows extra code to be run outside of Apples control and the way it executes it (See reason 1 & 2 above and the next paragraph to clarify).
Besides, supporting Flash would mean anyone can download and run a Flash apps without the need to go through the Apple App Store. Thereby bypassing Apple's total control of their platform.
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This is the second of two reasons and with this you are correct!
That all said, looks like we might ALL be wrong (in a sense)!
http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/confirmed_apple_and_adobe_coll.php
It looks like Adobe have written a Compiler for Flash code allowing developers to compile there Flash code thus allowing them to be submitted to the App store for approval.
At its worldwide developer conference in Los Angeles, Adobe said it would be releasing Flash for mobile platforms including Microsoft Windows Mobile, Palm’s webOS and Google Android. But don’t expect Flash to come to the iPhone’s Safari mobile browser. Instead, Adobe is adding support to its Flash Professional CS5 developer kit to convert software written in Flash into standalone iPhone applications.
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Reference: http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/10/iphone-flash/
i.e change them from interpreted to compiled. Just like a normal EXE for example instead of a BAT file.
Sorry Monty Burn. The fact that Apple does not accept Flash is not because Flash App is an interpreted code. Flash App is compiled as binary code.
That fact that Flash CS5 can publish as native Apple code simply means that Flash CS5 can be used as a development tool to create Apple apps. And it has nothing to do with the Flash runtime though.
Ifits compiled, why do flash sites NOT work without a flash client being installed?
Maybe its only partialy compiled?
Either way, if you take the time to read the links I grabbed or even did some of your own googling you would quickly find that these TWO reasons are commonly and REPEATEDLY cited as to why Flash is currently not allowed.
Compiled? You better explain that to Apple as they keep using the Interpreted clause along with "no control".
Will adobe flash 10 be released for windows phone 7 browser later on? Can anyone confirm it
Google it.
Adobe themselves confirmed that it was coming.
Both Flash and HTML5 should be coming to WP7.
I am hoping that they improve it as the Android version I think was pretty bad.
Going by Microsoft's currently speedy reaction to the market/devs I would be surprised if Flash is not part of the early 2011 OS update that brings copy & paste and, hopefully, turn-by-turn navigation.
Adobe dependent obviously.
JEEtoP said:
Going by Microsoft's currently speedy reaction to the market/devs I would be surprised if Flash is not part of the early 2011 OS update that brings copy & paste and, hopefully, turn-by-turn navigation.
Adobe dependent obviously.
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Nope it is not Adobe dependent, it depends on the MS whether they will implement Active-X plug-in support into IE or not.
I think one of the wisest decisions MS have made with the mobile platform is do away from Active-X, even though I am not a fan of M$ by any means , however they have no other plug-in mechanism at the moment to support Adobe flash.
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Nope it is not Adobe dependent, it depends on the MS whether they will implement Active-X plug-in support into IE or not.
I think one of the wisest decisions MS have made with the mobile platform is do away from Active-X, even though I am not a fan of M$ by any means , however they have no other plug-in mechanism at the moment to support Adobe flash.
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The ability is definitely there for Adobe to implement Flash be it ActiveX or not - that's not the issue.
Getting the plugin out by the early 2011 update deadline is Adobe dependent because they are the ones developing it, not entirely I agree but it is there technology primarily here so a large part of the project depends on them and their roadmap.
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The ability is definitely there for Adobe to implement Flash be it ActiveX or not - that's not the issue.
Getting the plugin out by the early 2011 update deadline is Adobe dependent because they are the ones developing it, not entirely I agree but it is there technology primarily here so a large part of the project depends on them and their roadmap.
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Once again, the Adobe Flash support as it is provided in the current non mobile IE is Active-X plug-in, there is no other mechanism, unless Microsoft tells Adobe that they will re-introduce Active-X support or develop a new API Adobe can do nothing.
lqaddict said:
Once again, the Adobe Flash support as it is provided in the current non mobile IE is Active-X plug-in, there is no other mechanism, unless Microsoft tells Adobe that they will re-introduce Active-X support or develop a new API Adobe can do nothing.
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Not wishing to be rude but I don't think I see your point.
Yes the current non-mobile IE is an ActiveX plugin, I don't see how this directly pertains to Windows Phone 7's situation.
Flash for WP7 is in development, confirmed by Adobe themselves. Whether Microsoft have implemented a version of ActiveX into the new mobile browser or there is another method for Adobe to utilise it is all academic, it is in development. The mechanism is there.
People please tell me if I'm missing something...
Adobe has already said that the reason WinMo6.5 wasn't getting Flash 10.1 was because it was missing needed APIs that WP7 has. So however they are implementing it that sounds like the resources they need are already included in the OS.
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Not wishing to be rude but I don't think I see your point.
Yes the current non-mobile IE is an ActiveX plugin, I don't see how this directly pertains to Windows Phone 7's situation.
Flash for WP7 is in development, confirmed by Adobe themselves. Whether Microsoft have implemented a version of ActiveX into the new mobile browser or there is another method for Adobe to utilise it is all academic, it is in development. The mechanism is there.
People please tell me if I'm missing something...
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If you know what mechanism is there please share
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I have no idea
still no hope for this soon?
Flash Mobile has been killed by Adobe...
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/story/2011-11-09/mark-smith-adobe-flash-mobile/51135466/1
No hope, and i don't really want either... just look android, and how laggy the Flash is...
We are all hoping for a future of HTML5.
Microsoft said last year that they fully concertrate on plug GREE internet browsing, thats HTML5. adobe flash makes thing slower, ok it looks better but slower. they have stated that they will bring up an alternative with silverlight in the future... but that was at the end of last year. now we have march...
Strike_Eagle said:
Flash Mobile has been killed by Adobe...
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/story/2011-11-09/mark-smith-adobe-flash-mobile/51135466/1
No hope, and i don't really want either... just look android, and how laggy the Flash is...
We are all hoping for a future of HTML5.
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I always hear this but I've never experienced problems with flash being laggy on Android, although Android as a whole is laggy
But I agree, it's unnecessary for WP7...HTML5 already is pretty good to me.
Yup it's all HTML5 from here. Even the Metro-style IE10 in Windows 8 won't support it.
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there is an adobe flash app in the marketplace, it doesn't look real though. Can anyone confirm that?
japmeet said:
there is an adobe flash app in the marketplace, it doesn't look real though. Can anyone confirm that?
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the app in the marketplace does the thing and goes around, it "ports" some websites, to wp7 but it is still not flash! and i can only port some websites not every you want that the silly thing. but with silverlight and html5 we must find another way to "flash" because microsoft abandoned flash some time ago... they have full rights to silverlight, to flash they only can have some licenses. silverlight is the homemade alternative from microsoft. and it fits the needs, just look at some games on windows 8 consumer preview, cut the rope and some other as example, they all look like "flash" but have other functions, and suites more to the "low spec" windows 8 metro design. microsoft will that everything goes smooth, if you have to load an flash game 10 seconds or 20. in silverlight you could be allready in the game. my personal website is in flash but i think of moving to html5 and some other elements, that look like flash.
and i dont think flash will ever be on the future windows versions... on mozzila firefox (desktop) maybe, google chrome (desktop) maybe, but on the metro mozzila that is in work they can not build it in.
I have a Galaxy Note 10.1 WiFi GT-N8013. I would like to be able to watch live television coverage from CNN. Presently, they (CNN and Google) say that their app does not work on this device and they will not advise when, or if, this problem will be resolved.
Looking for an alternative solution, I turned to some apps that still run Flash Player, such as the UC Browser. I thought that I was getting close to getting the CNN website to load within UCB (as it was mimicking a desktop version), until it requested that I install MS Silverlight. Well, so much for that.
It seems that there is no equivalent to running Silverlight on the Android platform. Apparently, some time ago, there was a Moonlight project, but that appears to have come to a permanent halt based upon what I believe to be threats of litigation from M$.
So my question is whether this project may have come back to life in a different format? I can't imagine that I am the only GT-N8013 that has an interest in using the device from time to time to watch current events on CNN (or other live media cable networks). It seems to work fine on My Droid Razr Maxx XT-912, however I assume that it works there because of also being on the LTE network.
Does anyone know what the future holds for getting Silverlight working on Android?
bookbean said:
I have a Galaxy Note 10.1 WiFi GT-N8013. I would like to be able to watch live television coverage from CNN. Presently, they (CNN and Google) say that their app does not work on this device and they will not advise when, or if, this problem will be resolved.
Looking for an alternative solution, I turned to some apps that still run Flash Player, such as the UC Browser. I thought that I was getting close to getting the CNN website to load within UCB (as it was mimicking a desktop version), until it requested that I install MS Silverlight. Well, so much for that.
It seems that there is no equivalent to running Silverlight on the Android platform. Apparently, some time ago, there was a Moonlight project, but that appears to have come to a permanent halt based upon what I believe to be threats of litigation from M$.
So my question is whether this project may have come back to life in a different format? I can't imagine that I am the only GT-N8013 that has an interest in using the device from time to time to watch current events on CNN (or other live media cable networks). It seems to work fine on My Droid Razr Maxx XT-912, however I assume that it works there because of also being on the LTE network.
Does anyone know what the future holds for getting Silverlight working on Android?
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Silverlight is a dead platform for most practical purposes. Even netflix is working to switch from it. I dont think that anyone would bother to build an Android port for it.
It's closed source from Microsoft and mono can give you a try the .net framework but not silvernight.
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8redd said:
Silverlight is a dead platform for most practical purposes. Even netflix is working to switch from it. I dont think that anyone would bother to build an Android port for it.
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That's how I understood it as well. Strange that Amazon just switched over in the past month
ziddey said:
That's how I understood it as well. Strange that Amazon just switched over in the past month
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HTML5 will be the new standard.
so there is no way having silverlight on android? for now? I need to watch some programs on my tablet
sefra3 said:
so there is no way having silverlight on android? for now? I need to watch some programs on my tablet
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Like a workaround - you can use RDP or VNC and use a "normal" computer for opening silverlight pages...
it's a year later, and Microsoft is still reluctant to give an honest answer. However, if you go to their developer web site msdn.com and click on "I build Android apps", they take you to a page that tells you why and how to port your app to Windows 8. "Windows 8 is the fastest-growing mobile OS. Your app belongs here".
In other words, Microsoft considers *Android* to be a dead platform. Silverlight is closed source, so only Microsoft can port it. I think it's safe to say the chances of them changing their minds and porting Silverlight to Android after all, when they're taking such a bath on all Windows 8 platforms, is .... zero.
Is anybody still using Silverlight for web apps in 2013? Maybe this thread is moot.
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it's a year later, and Microsoft is still reluctant to give an honest answer. However, if you go to their developer web site msdn.com and click on "I build Android apps", they take you to a page that tells you why and how to port your app to Windows 8. "Windows 8 is the fastest-growing mobile OS. Your app belongs here".
In other words, Microsoft considers *Android* to be a dead platform. Silverlight is closed source, so only Microsoft can port it. I think it's safe to say the chances of them changing their minds and porting Silverlight to Android after all, when they're taking such a bath on all Windows 8 platforms, is .... zero.
Is anybody still using Silverlight for web apps in 2013? Maybe this thread is moot.
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I, too, am nneding Silverlight for my tablet. I am in a RN program that makes us test/quiz on a program called ATI that requires Silverlight to be able to answer and read test questions. I wish I had an answer for this. I know that if someone did figure this out that a great bounty would come from it. I would definitely donate.
rayandreas said:
I, too, am needing Silverlight for my tablet. I am in a RN program that makes us test/quiz on a program called ATI that requires Silverlight to be able to answer and read test questions. I wish I had an answer for this. I know that if someone did figure this out that a great bounty would come from it. I would definitely donate.
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acebeace had the best advice. Assuming you have access to a Windows PC, you can run the Silverlight app on the PC but use your tablet as a remote control: go to Google Play and search for "remote desktop". Note that there may be additional challenges if the PC and tablet aren't on the same local network; there are paid apps that handle this better. It's clear that Google is working towards their own version: see Chrome Remote Desktop.
If you don't have access to a Windows desktop, you might be able to find an online browser that supports Silverlight.
Finally, I've never tried this, but Onlive Desktop claims to have an Android app that connects to a virtual PC desktop in the cloud. Their browser was supposed to support Silverlight, but it's not clear if it actually does. Fortunately, there's a free trial.
bookbean said:
I have a Galaxy Note 10.1 WiFi GT-N8013. I would like to be able to watch live television coverage from CNN. Presently, they (CNN and Google) say that their app does not work on this device and they will not advise when, or if, this problem will be resolved.
Looking for an alternative solution, I turned to some apps that still run Flash Player, such as the UC Browser. I thought that I was getting close to getting the CNN website to load within UCB (as it was mimicking a desktop version), until it requested that I install MS Silverlight. Well, so much for that.
It seems that there is no equivalent to running Silverlight on the Android platform. Apparently, some time ago, there was a Moonlight project, but that appears to have come to a permanent halt based upon what I believe to be threats of litigation from M$.
So my question is whether this project may have come back to life in a different format? I can't imagine that I am the only GT-N8013 that has an interest in using the device from time to time to watch current events on CNN (or other live media cable networks). It seems to work fine on My Droid Razr Maxx XT-912, however I assume that it works there because of also being on the LTE network.
Does anyone know what the future holds for getting Silverlight working on Android?
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Did you guys heard about "Moonlight" project?
Source: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1207785
venki5star said:
Did you guys heard about "Moonlight" project?
Source: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1207785
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the more I use this Sony Xperia tablet the more I realise I should have purchased a pc......
Re-compiling Pipelight
Hi,
I have just been reading about a open-source project called pipelight and just thought that this could be re-compiled and used with ARM based devices (such as tablets).
If this is posible then you could have silverlight on tablets, alternatively re-compile moonlight (only problem with moonlight is that there is no DRM support).
Silverlight on android
Dear Medworthy
That gives us hope.
If you now more of this solution let us now.
Regards
Pierre:fingers-crossed:
medworthy said:
Hi,
I have just been reading about a open-source project called pipelight and just thought that this could be re-compiled and used with ARM based devices (such as tablets).
If this is posible then you could have silverlight on tablets, alternatively re-compile moonlight (only problem with moonlight is that there is no DRM support).
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medworthy said:
Hi,
I have just been reading about a open-source project called pipelight and just thought that this could be re-compiled and used with ARM based devices (such as tablets).
If this is posible then you could have silverlight on tablets, alternatively re-compile moonlight (only problem with moonlight is that there is no DRM support).
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Dear Medworthy
That gives us hope.
If you now more of this solution let us now.
Regards
Pierre:fingers-crossed:
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Pipelight uses Wine to run Silverlight on Linux based OSes. While there is some work being done to run Wine on Android, the binaries for Silverlight would still need to be rewritten for ARM. These aren't open source, I think it's way too simplistic to think those could be just "compiled" for ARM.
Unfortunately, I think we'll just have to wait until HTML5 completely supports DRM and the content providers make that switch. It's very irritating to see how they've chosen such a biased and proprietary system at the moment.
ehartwell said:
it's a year later, and Microsoft is still reluctant to give an honest answer. However, if you go to their developer web site msdn.com and click on "I build Android apps", they take you to a page that tells you why and how to port your app to Windows 8. "Windows 8 is the fastest-growing mobile OS. Your app belongs here".
In other words, Microsoft considers *Android* to be a dead platform. Silverlight is closed source, so only Microsoft can port it. I think it's safe to say the chances of them changing their minds and porting Silverlight to Android after all, when they're taking such a bath on all Windows 8 platforms, is .... zero.
Is anybody still using Silverlight for web apps in 2013? Maybe this thread is moot.
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I need silverlight on my HTC one for my school timetable :/
Silverlight Android
Not in a position to try this at the moment but pls see:
http://gizmodo.com/5037919/skyfire-...icrosoft-silverlight-plus-100-more-beta-codes
and report back if it works.
Cheers
bookbean said:
I have a Galaxy Note 10.1 WiFi GT-N8013. I would like to be able to watch live television coverage from CNN. Presently, they (CNN and Google) say that their app does not work on this device and they will not advise when, or if, this problem will be resolved.
Looking for an alternative solution, I turned to some apps that still run Flash Player, such as the UC Browser. I thought that I was getting close to getting the CNN website to load within UCB (as it was mimicking a desktop version), until it requested that I install MS Silverlight. Well, so much for that.
It seems that there is no equivalent to running Silverlight on the Android platform. Apparently, some time ago, there was a Moonlight project, but that appears to have come to a permanent halt based upon what I believe to be threats of litigation from M$.
So my question is whether this project may have come back to life in a different format? I can't imagine that I am the only GT-N8013 that has an interest in using the device from time to time to watch current events on CNN (or other live media cable networks). It seems to work fine on My Droid Razr Maxx XT-912, however I assume that it works there because of also being on the LTE network.
Does anyone know what the future holds for getting Silverlight working on Android?
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Silverlight on Android
This has now become a mute subject for me. I have given up on the CNN app in favor of Xfinity's app which works great. Not only can I watch CNN, I can now watch pretty much anything that I get on my TV.
opera
if this help...i use opera-browser(not opera-mini) on my android, because silverlight based sites works...
lorvix said:
if this help...i use opera-browser(not opera-mini) on my android, because silverlight based sites works...
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they dont ~ or well at least sky go etc doesnt work
Right now 8.1 is a preview but what happens when it is fully released? Will windows RT auto update to it even if we don't like 8.1 and want to stay on Windows 8 RT?
I know you can disable auto-updates by hacking the registry but Id rather not have to do that.
Any way to keep automatic updates but ensure your system never upgrades to 8.1?
Why? 8.1 works great.
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Any way to keep automatic updates but ensure your system never upgrades to 8.1?
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Windows RT is supported by WSUS. I never tested it myself, but you can setup your device to get updates not from MS site but from your local WSUS server - and just don't approve there the updates you don't like.
And similar to earlier service packs - there would be an "8.1 blocker" (look for Win7 SP1 blocker here: http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=22464). As this is just a registry key - it may work on RT too.
Dane Reynolds said:
Why? 8.1 works great.
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One massive issue with 8.1 which is enough to keep a large user base from updating: jailbreak.
Once there is a jailbreak for 8.1 though, then your argument would be valid.
Not sure why you wouldn't want to run updates but so far Windows 8.1 rocks! Makes RT so much better.
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One massive issue with 8.1 which is enough to keep a large user base from updating: jailbreak.
Once there is a jailbreak for 8.1 though, then your argument would be valid.
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You talking about a jailbreak for 8.1 RT? Is so what type of stuff can you do with the jailbreak?
Dane Reynolds said:
Why? 8.1 works great.
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phantomlightgames said:
Not sure why you wouldn't want to run updates but so far Windows 8.1 rocks! Makes RT so much better.
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Not on the Asus Vivo RT it doesn't :silly:
8.1 really f#&@'s up the trackpad
Wow that's good to know.. I'm currently running it on a Dell T3500 desktop both Surface RT & Pro.
Are you sure it's not a driver issue. Maybe Asus have some updates available for track pad?
@Dane Reynolds: You new here? The Windows RT jailbreak has been a pretty big deal - especially on the RT Dev&Hacking sub-forum here - since its initial reveal over half a year ago. It removes the signing restrictions that Microsoft uses to lock out third-party desktop apps. With the jailbreak, you can:
1) Run .NET 4 (or later) desktop programs.
2) Run open-source Win32 desktop programs that were recompiled for RT (there's a list of them; check my sig).
3) Run a handful of programs specifically written for Windows RT tablets, including an x86 emulation layer.
4) Run various non-.NET legacy programs (some x86 through the emulation layer, some Java through IKVM, some Python through an incomplete port, Perl, Ruby, Lua, and a bunch of game engines).
5) Install third-party drivers (such as the open-source program Process Hacker uses).
Windows RT 8.1 breaks the method used to jailbreak RT 8.0. There are people working on getting it back - the OS is a hell of a lot more useful when you can run things like PuTTY and 7-Zip and even WebKit-based web browsers - but until them, most people that hang out around here are either dual-booting 8.0 and 8.1 (if they have enough space) or just sticking with 8.0.
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@Dane Reynolds: You new here?
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Nah, I've been here since RT was released, I heard about the jailbreak but was never interested, but the only reason I wasn't interested was I never found any fun stuff to do with the jailbreak.
Dane Reynolds said:
Nah, I've been here since RT was released, I heard about the jailbreak but was never interested, but the only reason I wasn't interested was I never found any fun stuff to do with the jailbreak.
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no fun stuff? Quakes 1, 2 and 3. Numerous other games, MAME I think.
Python.
.NET
FreeDownloadManager
a torrent client
An html5 browser other than IE (hopefully chromium or Firefox eventually)
PuTTY (would be an absolute must have for me)
Loads of other software many either useful or fun or both.
It really opens up the desktop side of RT
Damn, quake sounds fun and I could use chrome ... I kind of regret getting 8.1
I see the use for a jailbreak but I think it brings the OS backwards. These desktop apps aren't optimized for touch. I think building apps for the new interface is the way to go.
Funny; I get around fine using touch on the desktop (no, my fingers aren't even tiny). Well, except for typing. That sucks, Desktop or Metro. So, I have a Touch Cover, which makes typing a lot nicer. It also has a trackpad, so I only use touch when it's better than using a trackpad.
So, now I have a keyboard and pointing device, in addition to touch, for the device to be useful to me. Care to explain to me again why using apps which are amenable to all three input methods, instead of only one, "brings the OS backwards"? Because the way I see it, taking a multi-input device and excluding all those apps which aren't (over) optimized for a single form of input is a hell of a lot *more* backward...
Dane Reynolds said:
Damn, quake sounds fun and I could use chrome ... I kind of regret getting 8.1
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I love quake and doom, been playing through doom again on my PSP actually (CFW-PRO to effectively jailbreak the PSP, then there are 2 or 3 ports for PSP)
Chrome isnt out for RT yet. GoodDayToDie had a look, but its complicated. Kudos to him for taking a look anyway, but so far 1 guy on his own hasnt managed to do it. Firefox also has its own issues. We may or may not see them eventually though. The jailbreak would be the first step before you could run them though.
As for 8.1. Trig0r has 8.0 recoveries for the surface RT which you could use to downgrade. Hopefully someone will get 8.1 jailbroken soon too, but microsoft patched the exploit that was being used before.
Thanks, I might ask for a recovery as I love gaming, speaking of gaming i know the Surface's hardware isn't high enough to run games but i was wondering if Onlive would be releasing an app for RT.
That would actually be a legitimate use for OnLive... wasn't sure I'd ever see one of those.
Surface (Pro or RT) are fine for light gaming, or for running older games. The RT does actually have NVidia graphics, they're just really underpowered. The Pro has only Intel graphics, but the Intel GMA for the i5 might actually be more powerful than the RT's Tegra 3 (haven't checked). In any case, there are lots of games known to work (if not always at max resolution / quality) on the Pro, and the RT has a number of older games which have been ported over working fine, and some old x86 games that run in the dynamic recompilation engine also working (though so far as I know, none of those ones are 3D).
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Not sure why you wouldn't want to run updates but so far Windows 8.1 rocks! Makes RT so much better.
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Not on the Asus Vivo RT it doesn't :silly:
8.1 really f#&@'s up the trackpad
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I own VivoTab RT 3g - no problems with trackpad in 8.1. Currently I have no major problems with 8.1 except for the blinking screen issue that is present in 8.0 too. Even VPN works fine, so I finally can connect to my workplace and read email with Outlook, use RDP or Citrix Receiver.
So, Windows RT is dead. There is scheduled Update 3 in September, but it will only feature minor changes. It was also confirmed that Windows 10 Universal Apps will not run on RT Update 3. So, pretty much the same situation as Windows Phone 7(.8).
The question is simple. Could Windows 10 Mobile be ported to Windows RT devices? I know WP8 on WP7 was not possible because of lack of drivers, but this was largely due change of kernel (NT instead of CE). Windows 10 are based on NT kernel as well as Windows 10 Mobile, so it should theoretically work. What is your opinion?
WP8 is based on NT too. WP8 and W10M can be run on Surface RT, but only after unlock Secure Boot. Just wait Jailbreak for W8.1RT
I kind of have to agree with Dj_Art. If we can get a jailbreak that works with Windows RT 8.1 Update 3 that would be the best case scenario for RT devices.
Since Microsoft isn't supporting Windows Mobile on 10" devices at this time it's hard to tell what kind of experience it would provide on an RT device. That's assuming it is even possible to get it to install and boot, which is subject I don't have much knowledge of. I have heard that many Windows 8 drivers work in Windows 10, so it would stand to reason that perhaps the drivers for RT devices might be compatible with Windows 10 Mobile on a theoretical level. That's about all I can say on that.
I have a feeling that since that update is coming out the people working on the 8.1 jailbreak (that works just not released) will be witholding until the update in September is released
any updates on this ..
Never mind...
Joshua Mr PC Repair said:
any updates on this ..
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IoT runs, https://twitter.com/never_released/status/660133493872140288, and with the SBexploit, I don't see why not
That's really great! Keep us updated about your works!
Awesome work!
Waiting on future updates.
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Waiting on future updates.
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wait as my Surface is in warranty service
So, any updates on the progress of this?
There is this software called Neverware / CloudReady. It is basically Chrome OS for lower end devices. Can we get this installed on there somehow?
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So, any updates on the progress of this?
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Redstone is signed with another(development) CA, I have to wait for the RTM to try
Are there any news about Win10 on the Surface RT?
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Are there any news about Win10 on the Surface RT?
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There is some bad news trying to create my own image. I created my packages, the HAL extensions are showing in the FFU, but the HAL extension isn't detected at boot, returning an HAL_INITIALIZATION_FAILED error.
I m waiting, or can we help?
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I m waiting, or can we help?
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See my latest tweet
black_blob said:
There is some bad news trying to create my own image. I created my packages, the HAL extensions are showing in the FFU, but the HAL extension isn't detected at boot, returning an HAL_INITIALIZATION_FAILED error.
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How about you create an image for the Lumia 2520? Wouldn't it be easier to test?
Is there a chance to boot it to the "Continuum" Desktop too?
I think especially 10240 would be interesting, because people could use win10 Apps & Android Apps and the ROM for multiple devices (Lumia 930 / 1520 -> both have the same chipset as the Lumia 2520) leaked.
Any news?
Had a asus winrt tab here and "need" a win 10 (mobile) update ....