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So the security system KNOX and the mobile payment system Samsung Pay has started the controversial debate about rooting/flashing your new S6/S6 Edge..
While we still are months (years?) away from a fully working system and large merchants adapting the system, it is still a very valuable and kind of cool feature to have on your phone.
But when you're browsing the forums you see custom ROMs and mods that could further power your S6 to unlock it's full potential and with root you can of course modify your Android experience to just the way you want it.
We have also yet to see a release date for other countries than the US and China. I live in Sweden and doubt I will see Samsung Pay working here since the magnetic terminals rarely can be used because of the chip-security VISA and MasterCard require.
The question still resides.. Is it worth tripping KNOX and losing Samsung Pay, which might never even come to your country (or at least not in 1-2 years), for unlocking Androids full power and the S6 full potential?
To flash or not to flash, that is the question...
I'd love to root, but it's not available for my version yet. I'm also not clear on what Samsung Pay does for me that's better than Google Wallet.
flu13 said:
I'd love to root, but it's not available for my version yet. I'm also not clear on what Samsung Pay does for me that's better than Google Wallet.
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Samsung Pay uses MST technology in addition to NFC, meaning that you can pay with your phone virtually anywhere credit cards are accepted.
flu13 said:
I'd love to root, but it's not available for my version yet. I'm also not clear on what Samsung Pay does for me that's better than Google Wallet.
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MST technology
Whaaaat?? How does that work? How will it work with an old-fashioned magnetic card swipe reader? Crazy.
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Whaaaat?? How does that work? How will it work with an old-fashioned magnetic card swipe reader? Crazy.
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It emulates an magnetic field that works exactly as you should swipe your card.
That makes my head spin.
I rooted. I have no desire to pay with my phone.
So do we know 100% that root definitely kills the option for Samsung Pay? Or that with Knox tripped it will negate Samsung Pay? I've read about here and there but I guess I haven't quite seen if someone actually tried to use the pay after root and it didn't work?
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So do we know 100% that root definitely kills the option for Samsung Pay? Or that with Knox tripped it will negate Samsung Pay? I've read about here and there but I guess I haven't quite seen if someone actually tried to use the pay after root and it didn't work?
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According to SamMobile tripping KNOX will disable Samsung Pay.
We've yet to get any official statement though, right?
ZoZo- said:
According to SamMobile tripping KNOX will disable Samsung Pay.
We've yet to get any official statement though, right?
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I am looking at buying one to replace my wife's S4 and hadn't really read up on it a whole little yet. Thanks for the info I had not looked there. Next time keep the attitude to yourself.
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I am looking at buying one to replace my wife's S4 and hadn't really read up on it a whole little yet. Thanks for the info I had not looked there. Next time keep the attitude to yourself.
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I'm sorry, you must've missunderstood me.. I didn't mean to have any attitude. I was mainly trying to get confirmation if there were any official statement from Samsung since I don't know if there is any..
No problem, guess I took it the wrong way too. It was just how it was written the "though?"
Anyhow, I have rooted (between my wife and I) our last 8+ phones so naturally I am looking to root the S6 when we get one, just wanted to find out for sure if it made things worse. I suppose if I am not going to use Sam Pay then it wouldn't matter. I just would rather not lose options or features. I did see a thread of a DEV that claims to have achieved root without tripping KNOX. Not sure if it will make it's way to us or not.
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No problem, guess I took it the wrong way too. It was just how it was written the "though?"
Anyhow, I have rooted (between my wife and I) our last 8+ phones so naturally I am looking to root the S6 when we get one, just wanted to find out for sure if it made things worse. I suppose if I am not going to use Sam Pay then it wouldn't matter. I just would rather not lose options or features. I did see a thread of a DEV that claims to have achieved root without tripping KNOX. Not sure if it will make it's way to us or not.
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Same here! Always been rooting the phones, when you have the option of complete flexibility with the OS, why not?
Yea, better to have the possibility of the feature, even if one will use it or not, than to lock yourself out directly, hopefully that Dev has found a way and if so it won't be long time before it gets to us.
Also, since installing Nova Launcher Prime I haven't really had the need to root it since the phone is blazing fast and you can you hide away the apps you don't use/want to see in the drawer.
does any know if s8 or s8+ can be rooted?
are there plans to do this or does samsung now block this?
some tools titanium backup et.al. need root access
Yeah I also want to root it. Plz anyone tell the method.
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Won't be a method until it's released, then I'm certain the devs here will start cracking on it. Give time, the guys here are pretty good at what they do but there's still no guarantee root will be achieved (US models that is).
waninae39 said:
does any know if s8 or s8+ can be rooted?
are there plans to do this or does samsung now block this?
some tools titanium backup et.al. need root access
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Root will happen
(If not I'll be suprised)
Look at s7 edge (exynos) if you want to have the approximate method.
Once twrp is released, I bet around the beginning of Mai, you will be able to install it using Odin (breaks knox, s pay, etc)
From there you'll be able to flash whatever you want (magisk, SuperSU, etc)
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Although I just stumbled over this:
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Finally, the Exynos 8895 also includes what Samsung is calling an “enhanced security sub-system with a separate security processing unit” for use with user authentication, mobile payments, and the like. Based on Samsung’s description this sounds a heck of a lot like Apple’s Secure Enclave, which would be a very welcome development, as in Apple’s case it has made their phones a lot harder to break into.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/11149/...-8895-soc-10nm
yeah, saw on their website that encryption layers are going to be a lot stronger. I still think it'll be cracked. It's a large enough phone. just might take longer than normal.
Even root on Verizon's locked bootloader?
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Yea root not enough for me, also need unlocked bootloader
geez the phones not even out yet. Gotta give the devs time to get there hands on the phone, then time to actually find a way to root it.
Would it be wise to right off the bat unenable automatic downloads of "Security Update: Improves Performance and Battery" in case someone finds a way to Root and they slip in an irreversible Firmware Update?
I bought this phone knowing it's going to be at least a year before at minimum root being achieved
if at all ,so I'm not getting my hopes up at all
This phone might be the straw the breaks the developers backs
I only needed a rooted phone for ARU unchained anyway ,but since the area51 got it to work unrooted
I can afford to wait
The Phone Company said:
Would it be wise to right off the bat unenable automatic downloads of "Security Update: Improves Performance and Battery" in case someone finds a way to Root and they slip in an irreversible Firmware Update?
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i mean yea, kinda, but your not gonna get updates. Personally I am just gonna update my phone, and hopefully they find a way to root. My biggest concern is using samsung pay with my Gear S3, while having my phone rooted. idk if that will be possible so until then im just gonna wait.
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i mean yea, kinda, but your not gonna get updates.
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What do you mean? Even my Note 4 after ages waiting for the newest Android (Lollipop and Marshmallow) and nothing else for some suspicious reason recently they have been pushing updates pretty regular with the exact same description I posted, "improves performance and enhances battery life" or some $h!t which from experience these updates definitely do NOT do anything of the sort so it makes you wonder…
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i mean yea, kinda, but your not gonna get updates. Personally I am just gonna update my phone, and hopefully they find a way to root. My biggest concern is using samsung pay with my Gear S3, while having my phone rooted. idk if that will be possible so until then im just gonna wait.
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I use Samsung pay with my gear S3 and it's linked to my rooted 6p.
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What do you mean? Even my Note 4 after ages waiting for the newest Android (Lollipop and Marshmallow) and nothing else for some suspicious reason recently they have been pushing updates pretty regular with the exact same description I posted, "improves performance and enhances battery life" or some $h!t which from experience these updates definitely do NOT do anything of the sort so it makes you wonder…
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I hear you, preference I guess, I just like being up to date. I find that sometimes you are unable to use certain features without the updates.
I have the note 4 myself, and the only update that was a problem with that phone was MM, you could not downgrade from it. I have the AT&T variant so, no root access, and the current temp root that they have listed on the forums is not viable because your only temp rooted on experimental testing firmware.
The main feature you'll be missing out on is Bixby most likely, idk how good it will be or how bad, but you'll be behind that, apparently Bixby is not finished yet, and will not be shipped with the phone, at least not the complete version.
bryce850 said:
I use Samsung pay with my gear S3 and it's linked to my rooted 6p.
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Thanks! Now I know.
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The main feature you'll be missing out on is Bixby most likely, idk how good it will be or how bad, but you'll be behind that, apparently Bixby is not finished yet, and will not be shipped with the phone, at least not the complete version.
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Haha, Buzby (as I call it) is the one INTRUSION I do NOT want!! Never asked for it, just forced upon us. This would be great, but I suspect the Phone already has Bixby embedded into it, what with all the hype (publicity for it) about it not functioning at launch I believe is a marketing ploy to bring attention to it. The part that is not being made available at launch is their end, nothing to do with needing an update for it to work (for those who blindly want it).
See, you watch, they will make such a big deal, like a major announcement when it is made to function and they "switch on their Bixby servers" it'll be posted all over the web like when the Note 7 fiasco (supposedly) happened.
Stop for second. And think. THINK. For yourself. That right there is invaluable advice. Bixby is not your friend.
bryce850 said:
I use Samsung pay with my gear S3 and it's linked to my rooted 6p.
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I use it also from my S7 Edge. Works just fine. I have the BT version of the Gear S3 tho. Pay dont work with international(the one on amazon) version of the S3.
i don't think i'm going to root my phone this time it has all the future and it freaking fast and blotware less , gonna give samsung apps a chance and use then for good . if you are going to root please give me some feedback on WHY ty.
i got myphone yesterday.
I will be rooting so I can use Viper4Android, AdAway and Titanium Backup
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if you are going to root please give me some feedback on WHY ty.
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IMHO, the main purpose for rooting is to boost the device security and privacy: to stop google, facebook et al. from spying on you.
I will root mine too, so i can use AFWall+, ADBlock, Tasker and Titanium Backup
saifullah90 said:
i don't think i'm going to root my phone this time it has all the future and it freaking fast and blotware less , gonna give samsung apps a chance and use then for good . if you are going to root please give me some feedback on WHY ty.
i got myphone yesterday.
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I've found that the best way to satisfy my rooting urges these days is to keep a stock Pixel handy and a Nexus 5x for rooting goodness. These other phones (be it Samsung, LG, HTC) I am now leaving completely stock and will enjoy them for what they are. Other than light debloating and an occasional launcher change, there just isn't the desire anymore to root these and ROM them up.
I'm on the T-Mobile JOD plan, and for those of you that also happen to be...it has come to light that T-Mobile doesn't have a way of tracking whether or not customers are using only 3 JOD's a year in their database. MEANING, you can theoretically jump into a new (or the same phone if you have issues w/ your current JOD phone) every 30 days if your heart desires. I jumped from the LG v20 to the dreaded iPhone 7plus within a 45 day timeframe while waiting on the s8+ release. I plan to hold onto it until the upcoming Note release, buttttttttt I guess it depends what else is released in the interim!
To think that you can stop Google or Facebook from spying on you with root is humorous, they don't care about you, unless you're in some terrorist group or something... There's a no-root adblocker for Samsung called Adhell, it works through modifying Knox, no VPNs, and works as well as any root adblocker. The S8 also has a built-in DAC that lets you modify sound settings like Viper
Annie the Eagle said:
I will be rooting so I can use Viper4Android, AdAway and Titanium Backup
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All I need is viper4android but I'm on tmobile and when I rooted my s7e it was never the same so with that being said my note 4 is rooted with all that I need for listening to loud tunes or podcasts for work... and I'll be keeping my s8+ unrooted because it's just too smooth and lag free for me at the moment hoping it doesn't crap out in a couple months....
The reason I was going to root was so I could force the phone into LTE only mode, but the 4G switcher app works and does that so now I don't really have a need for root!
Rooting mainly for full automation through tasker. Shell commands, GPS, etc needs root. Being able to do per apps settings for full screen, battery/performance, timeout and hw buttons.
I guess bixby button remapping would be another reason for root.
Except for this it looks like there's not that many more reasons to root anymore..:
Adhell and Adblock plugin for Sammy browser should take care of advertisemens and as sound settings and other functions in the ROM seems very good this year, so I'm not too bummed out if root doesn't happen.
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Always prefer XDA and Root ftw!
I pretty much stopped flashing different roms when I got my note 4, not that I had a huge choice since root came late. But when I did flash a ton, it was just a stock debloated and tweaked one.
But my number one reason for root is ad blocking. I absolutely hate ads. So I really only want to root my new s8+ so I can run ad block and install xposed to get the YouTube adblocker.
How do all of you plan on rooting when the bootloader is locked?
vibrantliker said:
How do all of you plan on rooting when the bootloader is locked?
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Perhaps they dont have snapdragons....
vibrantliker said:
How do all of you plan on rooting when the bootloader is locked?
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An exploit has to be found. One can have root with a locked bootloader obviously.
Of course an unlocked bootloader allows us to flash recoveries, custom roms and other goodies.
I do miss Titanium.
And centered clock and custom icons.
Package disabler pro helps a lot.
I had to kill bixby. Hitting that button when trying to turn down the volume and having that interrupt me was really annoying.
I'd like to have that button dedicated to something.
But for now, it's a dummy.
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An exploit has to be found. One can have root with a locked bootloader obviously.
Of course an unlocked bootloader allows us to flash recoveries, custom roms and other goodies.
I do miss Titanium.
And centered clock and custom icons.
Package disabler pro helps a lot.
I had to kill bixby. Hitting that button when trying to turn down the volume and having that interrupt me was really annoying.
I'd like to have that button dedicated to something.
But for now, it's a dummy.
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try bixremap it launches bixby then a mili sec later opens google now , you just need to undisable bixby from package disabler first
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How do all of you plan on rooting when the bootloader is locked?
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well once we got the chance i guess, but im skipping the root on s8 not necessary
saifullah90 said:
well once we got the chance i guess, but im skipping the root on s8 not necessary
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I HAVE to have Viper. Android should buy V4a and have it as a stock feature on all their phones.
Eddiemc said:
...for full automation through tasker. Shell commands, GPS, etc needs root....
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+1000
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I wont be rooting because Verizon. that's why
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How do all of you plan on rooting when the bootloader is locked?
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S7e boot was locked but we all rooted anyway different root from the norm tho....
I used to root my devices for years. Rooting a device allows installing apps which need root, and installing custom roms that allow more settings and tuning. Nowadays many settings are included stock, and most apps which need root have a similar app which doesn't. Since I bought my NEX, I didn't miss anything. So my question is: what's the need of rooting your nex?
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I used to root my devices for years. Rooting a device allows installing apps which need root, and installing custom roms that allow more settings and tuning. Nowadays many settings are included stock, and most apps which need root have a similar app which doesn't. Since I bought my NEX, I didn't miss anything. So my question is: what's the need of rooting your nex?
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I haven't rooted any of my phones for several years for the same reasons.
Guy1731 said:
I used to root my devices for years. Rooting a device allows installing apps which need root, and installing custom roms that allow more settings and tuning. Nowadays many settings are included stock, and most apps which need root have a similar app which doesn't. Since I bought my NEX, I didn't miss anything. So my question is: what's the need of rooting your nex?
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Well since you ask..
1, System-wide ad-blocking.. Yes browsers these days come with ad-blocking support. But have you been able to get rid of the stubborn ads that pop up in other apps. I know ads support the developer. But sometimes, they overdo it.
2, Substratum theming support (without Andromeda).. The Vivo's themes are garbage. Substratum could open up a world of opportunities.
3, Uninstalling junk system apps. Yes there is a method by which we can "uninstall" without root. But that's not a proper uninstall cuz the app is still in the phone and simply gets disabled for the user.
4. Making build.prop changes to add subtle tweaks that could improve usability in areas where the phone maker doesn't give a damn.
5. ViperFX..
So on.. And so forth.. Yes we can live without these things. But having them is definitely an improvement in smartphone usage... Especially with a beautiful beast like the Nex.
Cheers
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Well since you ask..
1, System-wide ad-blocking.. Yes browsers these days come with ad-blocking support. But have you been able to get rid of the stubborn ads that pop up in other apps. I know ads support the developer. But sometimes, they overdo it.
2, Substratum theming support (without Andromeda).. The Vivo's themes are garbage. Substratum could open up a world of opportunities.
3, Uninstalling junk system apps. Yes there is a method by which we can "uninstall" without root. But that's not a proper uninstall cuz the app is still in the phone and simply gets disabled for the user.
4. Making build.prop changes to add subtle tweaks that could improve usability in areas where the phone maker doesn't give a damn.
5. ViperFX..
So on.. And so forth.. Yes we can live without these things. But having them is definitely an improvement in smartphone usage... Especially with a beautiful beast like the Nex.
Cheers
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Meh!
1. My adblocking is system wide through my always-on vpn Windscribe and works better than most adblockers.
2. I don't use themes but I'd like to have a full dark mode.
3. I'm not bothered by them.
4. Not interested.
5. I can live without Viper.
I've never really been a modder but have used root to add functionality. These days the granular controls of miui, emui and funtouch take care of most of my needs.
Meh? I was voicing my opinion. Not giving you recommendations. If you are fine without them, good on you mate.
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Meh? I was voicing my opinion. Not giving you recommendations. If you are fine without them, good on you mate.
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Apologies. I was trying to be humorous. Should have put a smiley after it.
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Apologies. I was trying to be humorous. Should have put a smiley after it.
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No worries.. Cheers
It's my fault and I should have done due diligence, I am never buying another Chinese phone if I'm not sure it isnt rooatable.
No powerful adblocking
No powerful privacy apps/controls
Chinese malware/bloatware preinstalled that I can't remove. Some that run 24/7 and cant be locally uninstalled without breaking the phone. Drain battery life etc
Phone is way less customizable
I will never buy a Vivo phone again, its a shame because the NEX is awesome. Waiting on S10 release, I am getting rid of the NEX.
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It's my fault and I should have done due diligence, I am never buying another Chinese phone if I'm not sure it isnt rooatable.
No powerful adblocking
No powerful privacy apps/controls
Chinese malware/bloatware preinstalled that I can't remove. Some that run 24/7 and cant be locally uninstalled without breaking the phone. Drain battery life etc
Phone is way less customizable
I will never buy a Vivo phone again, its a shame because the NEX is awesome. Waiting on S10 release, I am getting rid of the NEX.
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this device its a shame..... its a global version bought with gearbest..... I gave it to my wife replacing her asus zf3 and replaced by a mi mix 3
rafik25 said:
this device its a shame..... its a global version bought with gearbest..... I gave it to my wife replacing her asus zf3 and replaced by a mi mix 3
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Your wife will love it and wonder what she did to deserve such an awesome phone. :laugh:
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Your wife will love it and wonder what she did to deserve such an awesome phone. :laugh:
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:good:
Guide to root Nex??
Please.
first of all, we need to find way to root nex, then talk about why lol
Could there be any downside to root my phone now (with Magisk) as if I were doing it later?
Is it possible that future versions of Magisk (or any other rooting method) will retain more original factory features (Google Pay, Samsung Pay, Widevien DRM etc...?
Or is this very unlikely?
At least everything related to Knox (e.g. Samsung Pay, Secure Folder....) will not work any more once unlocked and rooted - even if relocking and going back to full stock.
GPay should work now..... but this is judging from my experience with other current phones, still waiting for Samsung to deliver my S22U
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At least everything related to Knox (e.g. Samsung Pay, Secure Folder....) will not work any more once unlocked and rooted - even if relocking and going back to full stock.
GPay should work now..... but this is judging from my experience with other current phones, still waiting for Samsung to deliver my S22U
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What about warranty ? does unlocking bootloader or rooting or flashing custom rom break he warranty ?
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What about warranty ? does unlocking bootloader or rooting or flashing custom rom break he warranty ?
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Yes
Does relocking your bootloader revert to allowing you to use bank apps once again?
nabil427 said:
What about warranty ? does unlocking bootloader or rooting or flashing custom rom break he warranty ?
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I definitely want to root my phone to gain maximum control over it.
The conrol over my phone is more important to me than the warranty.
As far as I know sadly until now Knox was never bypassed.
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Yes
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I wish someone could find a solution to bypass Knox.
dj24 said:
Does relocking your bootloader revert to allowing you to use bank apps once again?
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I have read that banking apps work on rooted devices. You do not need to relock your bootloader.
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I have read that banking apps work on rooted devices. You do not need to relock your bootloader.
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They do, at least on my recently rooted phones and for the apps I use.... Safetynet passes, Gpay ist working fine....
But this is the usual cat&mouse game , actually for the S22U my intention is to try going unrooted - we'll see how long this holds
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Is it possible that future versions of Magisk ...?
Or is this very unlikely?
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Indeed we have no idea about "future of magisk" so don't rely on future verion of magisk
If you want to root, just look into current scenario and decide you want to root or not. As of now (On OneUI 4.0 on other devices) Samsung Pay & Samung Pass (and Knox thingy) doesn't work. Though it doen't mean everything other works, still you needs to patch multiple things like Samsung Health, Secure folder, Private sharing and may be more. Also many apps may not work but you needs to hide them with magisk (Still no guarantee it will work)
So my pesonal advice is to before jumping to rooting, read as much possible rooting and magisk thread. Rooting is one way, once you trip knox, it's for forever and some stuff never work again even after relocking bootloader.
Alibab said:
I definitely want to root my phone to gain maximum control over it.
The conrol over my phone is more important to me than the warranty.
As far as I know sadly until now Knox was never bypassed.
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There have been ongoing issues and failures with the variable rate displays going back to the N20U, it could to be an expensive gamble.
There's zero track record for this model but expect more of the same...
Relatively little display failures with the N10+ fixed rate display even after over 2 years.
The resale value will be diminished and forget a trade-in. Rooting will destroy some of its core functionality, forever. Too many "I bricked my phone" threads here already... at least take a few months to start to get to know your stock new phone. Better have deep pockets if you decide to root this Samsung...
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Indeed we have no idea about "future of magisk" so don't rely on future verion of magisk
If you want to root, just look into current scenario and decide you want to root or not. As of now (On OneUI 4.0 on other devices) Samsung Pay & Samung Pass (and Knox thingy) doesn't work. Though it doen't mean everything other works, still you needs to patch multiple things like Samsung Health, Secure folder, Private sharing and may be more. Also many apps may not work but you needs to hide them with magisk (Still no guarantee it will work)
So my pesonal advice is to before jumping to rooting, read as much possible rooting and magisk thread. Rooting is one way, once you trip knox, it's for forever and some stuff never work again even after relocking bootloader.
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dr.keaton you are my android guru!
Will you get your S22 next week?
What will you do with it? Will you root your device as soon as you have it?
On previous Note devices, I always waited for your first custom rom before I rooted my devices.
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at least take a few months to start to get to know your stock new phone.
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I just love the sexy hardware of this phone.
I have nausea from the original software-stack of this device.
I would never use it with factory software in everyday life.
If it would be possible I would wipe everything from it and would install some GNU/Linux distro on it.
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They do, at least on my recently rooted phones and for the apps I use.... Safetynet passes, Gpay ist working fine....
But this is the usual cat&mouse game , actually for the S22U my intention is to try going unrooted - we'll see how long this holds
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It’s pretty annoying that you have to play such a cat & mouse game after you paid the hefty price of this device.
It is annoying how much Samsung, Google et al. are trying to restrict users freedom.
The kind of topic that makes me want to leave Android and go iPhone.
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The kind of topic that makes me want to leave Android and go iPhone.
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I can't see any reason why iphone/apple ecosystem would be better than Android.
I wish the Linux phone ecosystem was more mature.
Alibab said:
I just love the sexy hardware of this phone.
I have nausea from the original software-stack of this device.
I would never use it with factory software in everyday life.
If it would be possible I would wipe everything from it and would install some GNU/Linux distro on it.
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Doesn't make much sense to buy this phone than if the native UI pukes you out.
The hardware is lacking; no SD card slot. A poorer form factor/layout than the N10+ as well and 1 mm thicker. No APTX HD and no 3.5 mm jack. Meh.
The most outrageous insult comes from Google Android itself; scoped storage is fully active. Nullifying some of the speed and efficiency; the old Intel/MS paradox reincarnates itself once again. With scoped storage come a slew of 3rd party app issues not create by Samsung at all.
Alibab said:
It’s pretty annoying that you have to play such a cat & mouse game after you paid the hefty price of this device.
It is annoying how much Samsung, Google et al. are trying to restrict users freedom.
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Hmm, honestly speaking nobody is forcing anybody to unlock and root his device
From an IT security standpoint there is a reason for preventing modifications to a phone used by many for things like paying, storing sensitive data, having access to restricted data via specific apps, to corporate email accounts for BYOD etc etc
I am among the first to embrace tweaking options but in the end it all depends on what I use root access for: easy backup/restore of apps including user data, adblocking, UI +system tweaking, limiting of (for me) unnecessary system processes to optimize battery - all of this could easily be integrated by the manufacturers ....
In the end the good thing about Android is that you have a choice and maybe for rooting/tweaking Samsung isn't the best due to Knox and it's irreversibility....
Alibab said:
dr.keaton you are my android guru!
Will you get your S22 next week?
What will you do with it? Will you root your device as soon as you have it?
On previous Note devices, I always waited for your first custom rom before I rooted my devices.
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Hopefully I am getting in couple of days.
First I will setup device and look if any hardware issue. If everything fine, will root same day.
dr.ketan said:
Hopefully I am getting in couple of days.
First I will setup device and look if any hardware issue. If everything fine, will root same day.
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What tests do you use to check hardware issues?