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I have noticed a major heating sometimes when making a phonecall, and I mean it becomes really hot...
Im not using the GPS what seems to be causing overheating to some users.
also please post your radioversion etc if you have this type of problems...
Make sure you don't hold the phone near where the battery is. If you look at the manual you will be exposed to dangerously high radiation levels! If you cover it with your finger or hand the phone module goes into high power mode which could account for the heat problem.
Well yes I did some investigating and it does not happen always. I think it could be happening when taking a phone call after charging. By this I don’t mean it’s hot when unplugging the device, it keeps getting hotter and hotter while speaking.
topspeclt said:
Make sure you don't hold the phone near where the battery is. If you look at the manual you will be exposed to dangerously high radiation levels! If you cover it with your finger or hand the phone module goes into high power mode which could account for the heat problem.
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What, my package and manual are put away. Sorry, I didn’t understand 100%, where I can’t place my finger exactly?
I looked at the manual and did not find anything unusual… What did you mean?
There is a wiki nearby, with links to the on-line manuals
(the part below the battery is where the antenna is )
Ok now that you said antenna I found the part from the manual, if you look at the previous post he says only don’t hold your finger near the battery…. The battery is ½ of the phone…
But seriously am I the only one that thinks this is TOTALLY crazy that if you hold your phone normally from the bottom half you will be exposed to DANGEROUS LEVELS OF RADIATION??? I have had mobiles for 15 years and this is the first one that cant be held in your hand without looking how you hold it…
Are others also experiencing overheating sometimes?
Yep, I said 'battery' - if you look at the picture in the manual (page 10 - see attachment below). The danger zone is bottom 1/3 of the back surface area.
As far as i'm concerned this device should not have had certification and approval for use because NORMAL handling includes the bottom part of the phone. They expect you to be at least 1.5cm away from it too so in practical terms it is extremely difficult and inconvenient to hold. If you hold the top part your palm will cover or get near the bottom anyway so their constraint is ridiculous.
I wasn't aware of this when I first used the phone and I remember my fingers getting hot with a sharp pain.
This device should therefore NOT have safety approval because the context of operation does not include normal and reasonable handling.
So you have to ask yourself: is the HTC Touch Pro worth getting cancer over?
Yes I found that page after I searched the manual "antenna"... That just sounds crazy to me...
But still I don’t know did the SERIOUS overheating I had resulted from that. I couldn’t replicate it... It could be it was caused by the charging before I answered.
I have to pay more attention to that, because I think I had it happen before also.
excuse me, topspeclt, but if you are that worried, why do you use a mobile phone
The top of the phone got really hot. The steel around the camera lens was so hot I could not keep my finger over it… I don’t know, am I the only one experiencing this type of behaviour?
karloe said:
excuse me, topspeclt, but if you are that worried, why do you use a mobile phone
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I used a Nokia N73 prior to this and no probs. So I'm in for a little dosage. But the handling contraint with the TP is a joke. I end up using the headset now because I can't maintain the ridiculous holding position without receiving hazardous SAR levels.
My observation is one that affects ALL users of the HTC TP and not necessarily other brands.
Had I known this BEFORE I bought the HTC TP I would have skipped it. Damn good for nothing 'Reviewers'.
Loco5150 said:
The top of the phone got really hot. The steel around the camera lens was so hot I could not keep my finger over it… I don’t know, am I the only one experiencing this type of behaviour?
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That doesn't sound right at all. My TP doesn't get that hot. You might want to swap it (if you can) or call HTC support.
I have to duplicate it and see when exactly it happens…
I’ve noticed it happening few times, but didn’t pay that much attention to it because I use the HF when I’m not home. I started to use that a year ago when there was more talk about the radiation. I talk about 2hrs a day, so the tumours are probably on their way already. Its much more convenient anyway to use the HF.
I got full warranty so I will chance the device when I have confirmed this.
I have to say also that I came from Kaiser WAY too soon… I should have given the real cooks and wizards of XDA few months to find and fix the major bugs for HTC (mind you, they are doing it for FREE to them). I just got a too good of a deal; I got this device almost for the price of my old Kaiser.
No one is experiencing heating around the camera flash/lens area when talking?
Plase confirm so I know do I need to return the device.
I have the same problem sometimes. But it is not conected to making phonecalls. I expreienced this temperture phenomen while browsig the web (wifi) and I think some other situations.
I'll keep an eye on that problem and let you know when it happens again.
I had this problem with my xda orbit 2 as well (when using tomtom while the phoen was plugged in for chargching)
Loco5150 said:
The top of the phone got really hot. The steel around the camera lens was so hot I could not keep my finger over it… I don’t know, am I the only one experiencing this type of behaviour?
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Perhaps a visit to HTC service centre?
I haven't had this extreme heating yet.
The TP becomes warm while charging, GPS use, Wifi, and even calls, but not to that extend that you can burn your fingers on the lense area.
I think your TP has a hardware problem.
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No one is experiencing heating around the camera flash/lens area when talking?
Plase confirm so I know do I need to return the device.
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My first TP have battery problem and really heat up at the camera metal area when using call/apps. I got a replacement and the new unit don't heat up so fast or so much.
First of all, I don't think that you can possibly expose yourself to any dangerous levels of radiation, no matter how you hold your TP. The SAR tests are done anyway with maximum transmit power, so if you hold your phone from the bottom part and so impair the reception the phone gets, you can only get the official specified SAR levels at most. It does increase battery usage (hence not recommended), as the phone needs to use more transmit power, but the SAR levels are definitely safe - always at or below spec. The design were the phone antenna is at the bottom of the phone is actually very advantageous from SAR point of view, because the antenna element is further away from your brain --> less radiation. However, I do agree that for best reception (holding the phone from the upper part) the handling of the phone is a bit awkward. HTC probably just put the "dangerous levels of radiation" warning there to keep off any possible Americans waiting to sue their a**
Also, looking at the back part of my TP, it seems that the Wifi and GPS antennas are at the top of the phone, so getting hot around the camera lens/upper area while using these features should be expected. Again, I think this is actually quite a good setup, as the phone and wifi/gps antennas are as far away from each other as possible, thus interference between different antennas is kept minimal.
Oh yeah, and you should definitely not burn your fingers on your phone, there's something wrong if you really did (it can get quite warm, but not that hot).
Just my 0.02
My TP aint that warm, but it does get a little warm when playing games but not hot, only a bit warm.
Time to put fans into mobile phones
I was sitting here with my phone in my hand connected to USB and went to clear dirt from my monitor. My phone was in my left hand and my right was on the monitor. My hands were a bit damp. When I touched the monitor I heard a LOUD buzzing sound and a spark came from my phone into my hand! Now I have a burn mark in my hand! I AM NOT KIDDING! It felt as bad as being hit by a wall outlet!
AGAIN! IM NOT KIDDING! My heart stopped for a brief moment!
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Wierd! VERY...
Welcome to static electricity 101
Does the room with the PC in it have carpets?
Ah after the initial shock i have settled down. It seems that the monitor's static discharged into the ground in the usb cable. Electricity will follow the path of least resistance
Thats weird. But at least you have a killer story to tell. I still have mine about the time I got electrocuted from plugging in faulty christmas lights. Great icebreaker.
Dave
iremember the time i tried to fellate a plug socket, honestl how was i to kno it has electricity in it
oh the memories
And this one time, in band camp...
statics should never be able to give you such a big chock
statics only cary a few miliamps for a very short period of time
only up to 100mimiamps across the heart could be a possible
threat to ones life
i would not trust that tv longer then i could throw it
i used to do this a lot when i was a kid,
take 2 fine copper wire (usually from discarded ac to dc adapters)
wrap it around a pencil or pen, remove them from the pen/pencil and open the spirals up slightly. hang on the side of the (dusty)CRT monitor in a + shape. Turn the monitor off and on - voila!!!
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Seems that the house doesn't have a ground. I know certian CRTs have a grounding harness around the screen to reduce static and transmission of rays. It seems with repeated testing the screen is building up a massive amount of static on the screen every 5 minutes when the screen is on. This is without turning the screen on or off. The air in the house is at 87% humidity, 67 degrees F with carpeted floors. The monitor is a old compaq 15" crt.
it seems without proper grounding the monitor is keeping a massive amount of static unchecked. There is also thousands of volts in the monitor and the CRT glass contains massive amounts of lead. Can anyone think that the monitor glass isn't grounded and there is a voltage leak? Hmm..
Its been a week or so and I still have a slight burn mark on my hand. Last time I touched a doorknob i didnt get any scarring
Yea, I bent over a horse fence once, not only did I not see the electric wire above it, it connected with the top of my head! I woke up and could not remember where I was or how I got there! About five min later I could walk agian! Note to self...... Horsefence BAD!!!!!
Good times, good times!
Reminds me of the time I decided to play with my tesla coil after getting out of the shower and standing bare foot in a puddle of water. Didn't think a tesla coil could hurt you. I learned different lol... Or the time I took an electrical socket apart while it was still live "granpa it makes my fingers tingle a bit" ... "shh, I turned it off at the breaker box I swear". "Hmm... lemme lay a screwdriver across the leads..." *FLASH BZZZZZZZZ*
Seriously though, get some grounded plugs!
Ha ha,
Reminded me of when I sold my last house. Part of the moving out process was removing all of my new ceiling fans. In my bedroom I hadn't yet bought the replacement fixture so I left the wires dangling.... BAD IDEA...
Walked into the room and directly under the fixture mount, wires contacted with my head. It was a shocking experience to say the least!
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Seems that the house doesn't have a ground. I know certian CRTs have a grounding harness around the screen to reduce static and transmission of rays. It seems with repeated testing the screen is building up a massive amount of static on the screen every 5 minutes when the screen is on. This is without turning the screen on or off. The air in the house is at 87% humidity, 67 degrees F with carpeted floors. The monitor is a old compaq 15" crt.
it seems without proper grounding the monitor is keeping a massive amount of static unchecked. There is also thousands of volts in the monitor and the CRT glass contains massive amounts of lead. Can anyone think that the monitor glass isn't grounded and there is a voltage leak? Hmm..
Its been a week or so and I still have a slight burn mark on my hand. Last time I touched a doorknob i didnt get any scarring
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That was my first thought, no ground. Lazy electrician.
Do you live in a place where homeowners can do electrical work themselves? Depending on how your walls are structured it may not be that hard to fix the ground yourself. I boosted a few of my circuits to 20 amps when I got an electric lawn mower, it's not to hard. That was all in the basement though so things were easily accessible.
rockerrock said:
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Seems that the house doesn't have a ground. I know certian CRTs have a grounding harness around the screen to reduce static and transmission of rays. It seems with repeated testing the screen is building up a massive amount of static on the screen every 5 minutes when the screen is on. This is without turning the screen on or off. The air in the house is at 87% humidity, 67 degrees F with carpeted floors. The monitor is a old compaq 15" crt.
it seems without proper grounding the monitor is keeping a massive amount of static unchecked. There is also thousands of volts in the monitor and the CRT glass contains massive amounts of lead. Can anyone think that the monitor glass isn't grounded and there is a voltage leak? Hmm..
Its been a week or so and I still have a slight burn mark on my hand. Last time I touched a doorknob i didnt get any scarring
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You indicated that the humidity level in you house is at 87%..... I don't mean to question your integrity or judgment but a humidity level of 87% is only appropriate in a bathroom after a hot shower or in a heated conservatory/greenhouse. If the humidity in your house is really that high for an extended period of time you are sure to have mold/mildew problems warped furnishings etc.
It may be time for a new hygrometer either that or a new hvac system.
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You indicated that the humidity level in you house is at 87%..... I don't mean to question your integrity or judgment but a humidity level of 87% is only appropriate in a bathroom after a hot shower or in a heated conservatory/greenhouse. If the humidity in your house is really that high for an extended period of time you are sure to have mold/mildew problems warped furnishings etc.
It may be time for a new hygrometer either that or a new hvac system.
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Gets that humid here sometimes if you open the windows (louisiana). AC usually runs like a river and drains away most of it though.
This is entertaining and all, but the important question is, how did your phone take it?
I once killed the touch screen on a device by going down a tubular plastic kids slide
(So now when I take the kids to the park and they want me to go down the slide, I put the phone down in a safe place)
The first of all, i think the monitor isnt grounded... your monitor is old and you have no carpets...
non of all are good for yourself...
you can look if the grounding of your home is good if yes, buy another monitor... and buy an carpet.....
if no just get your home grounded again!
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In an monitor is like 1000 volt... doesnt matter anyway, normally u dont get an shock if your monitor is grounded and is not old
but when an monitor isnt grounded... you can get an shock of like 230 volts on 16ampere....
its the normal voltage and ampere of an electro group in your home i think...
if it was only an statistic screen, it could be on minimal 3000 volts.... but thats anything u almost dont feel.... unless it is under the 2 mili ampere... when its higher you can feel it... and you can die after an little shock of 40+ volts on 100miliampere ...
so i think it was a little shock ... under the 100 mA but it could be like 10000volts...
next time, please use an volt meter
good story btw and hope you'll follow my guide
Don't die!
The house is my parents house. They don't take care of their stuff. I go over one in awhile and yes it seems they have some sort of mold issue because I get bad allergies if I stay over there..
The phone is fine, thankfully the discharge went right into the USB cable, now for the computer, I don't know if that usb port works, I haven't since tested it. The high humidity is attributed to numerous things such as a leaky toilet and while now it is winter and the air is dry, when it is over 40F, humidity frequently reaches 100% here.
I frequently remember working on computers growing up and getting shocked every time I brushed up against the steel case. Dangerous, indeed.
They buy the crappiest air filters for their furnace and smoke as well. I am lucky to be out of there. They won't switch to allergen filters because "they are too expensive" but ask them about changing their motor oil, they don't.
Which brings up this, They had a new SUV and my mother drives a lot, we had it since 2001 and it now sits at 263,000 miles. It has had 2 transmissions put in and a engine (threw rod) all due to improper maintenance. If this is any indication of habits on their behalf, then the house ground is the least of their issues.
I must defend them in some regard, They aren't nasty people, is that they have bent over for the last 20 years and have put work before family. They believe in the system and it has led to a failed family structure but still they remain the same.
Anyways, I do have a proper ground at home and use a nice UPS along with a "box fan filter" which i use a high quality filter taped to the fan. Sure, you can fight about aerodynamics and how this isn't the best way of doing it because the fan can't push air etc etc but it has at least reduced the amount of dust in the air and has made the air crisper. Of course the fan has a thermal switch and fuse so I don't have to worry about fires if it were to overheat. (I use allergen filters for furnaces).
We have 112V, maximum of 60 ampres per line. We have 220 going into the houses here but usually it's split into 112 for outlets and 220 @ 120A for things such as dryers and welders.
in that case, dieing with touching your phone and monitor will be easy indeed...
60ampere is a way tomuch for an normal electric wire in an home...
it has to be 16 because an wire/cable in the wall can be over heated to fast at higher when u use the full amperes....
an cable may be 85 celcius as most... but with 60 ampere you can get 360 celcius, that can but the rubber around the wire and could make fire on wood and on carpets...
be carefull, i shouldn't be happy to live in an dusty home with 360 celcius on wood
and whole not with the thoughts in my mind that i could die with touching ann monitor/tv while its connected to the computer and an phone in my hands whats connected to the same computer......
this because of an stupid electric group of 60!! Ampere....
Well all the outlets are fused to a certain amperage. As in, the normal amount allowed to come put of the socket is 10-15 amps before the magnetic fuse trips. The whole house shares a 60 amp line from the box and certain appliances can get up to and beyond 60 amps at 220V,
I may mention that the "official" output in the US is 110V but I regularly see 112 coming out of my outlets. Matter in fact, I see 80-160V coming out from time to time from "dirty' power, thanks to UPS's I don't have to worry about random crashes and it kicks on quite a bit.
Go to HKLM/Software/HTC/Camera/Common and change EnableFrameRateInfo to 1
ok now go back to either your camera or video camera and you'll see there's now a little box telling you the frames per second. If you play with it you'll notice that it gets very poor in low light (probably around 3 fps) to slightly better in bright light (15 or so). Either way, these frame rates are probably causing the blurry photos. Not sure of the answer, but this shows the problem. Any one have thoughts on if this is a software or hardware issue or any way to tweak this? If you're getting 3fps then the image needs to be entirely still to not blur...
thanks bugsy. i've tried powering off the screen while in camera mode for 10-15 secs and then turning it back on which seems to reduce some of the camera lag or low framerates and now i can more accurately judge what the difference really was. i went from 3-5 fps, to 15-20 fps.
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10x for the tip bugsy i never got to 20fps even ouside in day lite so i really
hate the way TP is recording....if you move your hand it records like
crap...found a funny one: while using flash lite the lite is reflecting in the
picture so i try to fix it (take one photo with flash lite in dark and then
take another one with the back cover from TP off ) look in the right side of picture to see the diference ,to fix it i painted with a black marker inside the
phone back cover near camera and flash !!!
any ideas how to fix this? 3 frames per second is a total joke. I can point it at a light and move the camera all over and get 15 fps with all sorts of movement. If I move it to low light I'm at 3fps... 15 is tolerable...3 is almost unusable.
dansobolanu said:
10x for the tip bugsy i never got to 20fps even ouside in day lite so i really
hate the way TP is recording....if you move your hand it records like
crap...found a funny one: while using flash lite the lite is reflecting in the
picture so i try to fix it (take one photo with flash lite in dark and then
take another one with the back cover from TP off ) look in the right side of picture to see the diference ,to fix it i painted with a black marker inside the
phone back cover near camera and flash !!!
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I had noticed that flash reflection too, it really ruined flash shots! Well, I did like you said and took a dark marker and marked the metal part on the inside of the back cover, and now no more crappy flash photos, THANK YOU much for this tip!
bugsykoosh said:
Go to HKLM/Software/HTC/Camera/Captparam/Common and change EnableFrameRateInfo to 1
ok now go back to either your camera or video camera and you'll see there's now a little box telling you the frames per second. If you play with it you'll notice that it gets very poor in low light (probably around 3 fps) to slightly better in bright light (15 or so). Either way, these frame rates are probably causing the blurry photos. Not sure of the answer, but this shows the problem. Any one have thoughts on if this is a software or hardware issue or any way to tweak this? If you're getting 3fps then the image needs to be entirely still to not blur...
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On mine, that key is found under HKLM/Software/HTC/Camera/Common.
californiarailroader said:
On mine, that key is found under HKLM/Software/HTC/Camera/Common.
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you're right - I'll change the first post
No worries, thanks for the registry tip on this!
eastvanchinaman said:
thanks bugsy. i've tried powering off the screen while in camera mode for 10-15 secs and then turning it back on which seems to reduce some of the camera lag or low framerates and now i can more accurately judge what the difference really was. i went from 3-5 fps, to 15-20 fps.
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10x but not really working for me,but i see that it works for many other people so i think that this have something to do with the battery power then i unchek Auto adjust backlight from power menu then start the camera it shows 8 to 12fps then in 1-2secs it checks it self somehow Auto adjust backlight box automatic and gose back to 3fps .... :-?? so i think the problem is from battery power that camera uses .... !!! (sry for my english )
californiarailroader no need to Thank me mate,i'm really glad i can help xda-developers with something (more or less) !
I'm going on a backpacking trip, and I would like to bring my phone to use in the car on the trip there and back (it's something like 5 hours each way, so I would like to have something to do in the car).
I would like to leave my phone in the car during the actual trip (2 days). I know that heat can be bad for a phone, but would leaving my phone in the car be a bad idea? What's the best location for it? Trunk, glove compartment, under a seat?
The high for each day is listed as 80F, low of 50-60F, and the car most likely will be parked in at least partial shade.
Does anyone have experience with this / any recommendations?
Depends on how hot your car actually gets, which will depend on how much shade you're actually talking about. It's not just a matter of the electronics, it can also be the possibility of adhesives in the phone softening if the heat is too high. If possible I'd just find somewhere safe to keep it in your gear and take it with you.
Oh man, 80 degrees in the shade is nothing, well at least not to me since it gets up to over 100 here. Putting it in the trunk will keep it cooler because it won't be exposed to any sunlight.
Yeah, keeping it out of direct sunlight is key. I kept an old iPhone 3G in my car at all times (played music off it) in North Carolina, even in the mid-90 degree summers, and have never had any issues with it aside from the screen perhaps getting a little washed out. I would just stick it in the glove compartment on particularly hot days.
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I'm going on a backpacking trip, and I would like to bring my phone to use in the car on the trip there and back (it's something like 5 hours each way, so I would like to have something to do in the car).
I would like to leave my phone in the car during the actual trip (2 days). I know that heat can be bad for a phone, but would leaving my phone in the car be a bad idea? What's the best location for it? Trunk, glove compartment, under a seat?
The high for each day is listed as 80F, low of 50-60F, and the car most likely will be parked in at least partial shade.
Does anyone have experience with this / any recommendations?
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Ya' know what. Two years ago had same experience. Have Galaxy Ace and kept it in the box for accesories (in front of front passengers legs) and everthing went well. Hope helped you. Sry for bad english
754boy said:
Oh man, 80 degrees in the shade is nothing, well at least not to me since it gets up to over 100 here. Putting it in the trunk will keep it cooler because it won't be exposed to any sunlight.
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I've actually read reports that the trunk can get just as hot or close to the same temp as the inside of the car. on a 95 Deg day it could be 120 in the trunk :/
Turn it off when you leave it in the car.
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yeah at least turn it off, because the battery will live longer though
Sorry I never responded sooner.
I just got back from the trip, and everything worked out great. I left the phone in the trunk of the car, parked in the shade, and there were no problems when I got back. This is at least partially due to the shade and the cool-ish weather.
How hot should it get in the sun?
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Or in general? Mine hit 118 -120 F in sun walking outside
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Mine is hot near the top too. Makes in uncomfortable to hold though the bottom is alright. I guess a case would help it. Would a software update solve it? Or maybe it only happens during a lot of I/O or charging? I don't want to RMA this phone, so perfect in every other way.
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Or in general? Mine hit 118 -120 F in sun walking outside
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In the sun, that is not out of the ordinary. Now if it gets that hot in an AC controlled environment you might get concerned. Of course that is nothing to what an M9 can do.