Lollipop for more camera-control? - Galaxy Note 3 General

Hi folks,
I am thinking of upgrading to Lollipop to profit from the new camera-controls. From what I read, there is an app called "Manual Camera" (not allowed to post external links, hmpf) which makes use of Lollipop's Camera2 API to gain more control over camera settings like shutter-speed, aperture etc. This attracts me a lot, since I am quite a photo-geek.
BUT BUT BUT: everything runs super-smooth with my rooted stock 4.4.2 system on my N9005 right now (see specs below), and it is my one and only phone in everyday use. So, I am really not sure if I should throw the L-word to it?!? ...I was already about to do it, made all the neccessary backups, but then started to brood.
After all: it seems not so clear if there will be a way to root it again afterwards?! Anyone knows anything about the issue? After a lot of searching I downloaded a 6.48.4 PhilZTouch Recovery, that is said to be compatible with Lollipop. Even if that was true, havn´t found a rooted kernel yet...
Not to talk about the re-configuration-struggle...
So, I would love to hear your opinions, in order to somehow make some progress with this decision...
Thank you so much!
PS: It seems I won´t get any update via Samsung servers because of the rooting... possible?
My Phone:
SM-N9005, hlte, CSC: BTU (orig. & act.)
PDA: N9005XXUGNG1
CSC: N9005OXAGNJ3

I'm quite curious how an app would be able to change a hardware-fixed aperture...
Plenty of camera apps that allow manual settings, as much as the hardware permits. Personally I quite like ProCapture and Camera FV-5. Though I find I generally reach for my DSLR when I intend to take a decent photo, rather than my Note 3.

ShadowLea said:
I'm quite curious how an app would be able to change a hardware-fixed aperture...
Plenty of camera apps that allow manual settings, as much as the hardware permits. Personally I quite like ProCapture and Camera FV-5. Though I find I generally reach for my DSLR when I intend to take a decent photo, rather than my Note 3.
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Hi Lea, I already expected this objection to come but I wasn´t sure if the aperture was fixed or not. Does not really matter to me anyway, because even with the fixed aperture, there could be much more control over the exposure settings than there is at the moment.
I have been using ProCapture for years and recently tried Camera FV-5 to see if it would satisfy my needs. Unfortunately it does not. Here are some examples of what I would like to do, and what should be possible from the hardware aspects, but none of the available apps seem to allow.
But before the examples, here is the reason, why I would love to get the max. out of my Note3's camera: I use to be in the austrian mountains a lot doing all kinds of mountain-sports. Mostly it is not an option whatsoever to take my Nikon D700 with me. I have ordered a Canon Powershot S200 a few days ago to fill the gap, but if I could do all the work with my Note3 (e.g. taking good pictures in addition to navigating, communicating, route planning etc.) I would be even happier because often times I really need to be strict about weight...
1) Bracketing for later HDR processing.
Often times (e.g. small but strong light source from the front) the exposure metering of the phone does not find the correct setting as a starting point for the bracketing. That can easily lead to the point, that not even the "furtherest away exposure" (plz. excuse my english) of the bracketing (e.g. +/-2 ) neither is what I want and that makes the whole series unusable for later HDR processing. With ProCapture, Bracketing is not available at all and with Camera FV-5 when using Bracketing, the manual exposure compensation is not available.
2) Timer + Bracketing.
If you give this a try, you will see what bloody nonsense Camera FV-5 does: it runs the timer before every exposure of the series when all I want is to later create an HDR image on which I appear myself. -> Not possible.
3) ISO control.
Camera FV-5 shows the ISO values when taking a picture. Assuming it tells us the truth, there can also be values below 100 ISO. But why can´t I set such values manually?
Conclusio: I don´t know anything about the hardware, as you already revealed but I assume there must be much more than the current software allows to get out of N9005's lens.

@don-juan i tried to install but its not compatible on my n9005 lollipop 5.0.
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thahim said:
@don-juan i tried to install but its not compatible on my n9005 lollipop 5.0.
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Hi thank you!
Do you mean, Manual Camera was not compatible on your device running Lollipop?

thahim said:
@don-juan i tried to install but its not compatible on my n9005 lollipop 5.0.
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Same here with lolipop aryamod rom.

We don't have the proper camera2 API on our lollipop ROM. It's just a wrapper of the old camera API.

Lollipop is the most unstable Android so far for me. In every single way. Going back to kitkat
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horiakyys said:
Lollipop is the most unstable Android so far for me. In every single way. Going back to kitkat
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your decision of course but can you perhaps elaborate at least a little bit. i'm asking because i cannot say the same but then it's possible that your usage defers significantly from mine so that i just did not encounter your issues. what exactly is unstable for you ?

don-juan said:
Hi thank you!
Do you mean, Manual Camera was not compatible on your device running Lollipop?
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exactly

@thahim: are you on a stock rom or other?

don-juan said:
@thahim: are you on a stock rom or other?
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Stock TouchWiz

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The best camera app for Nexus 5

Hi,
Since the N5 has good camera with numerous functionnality i was wondering which camera app fits the best to it ?
I'm waiting for my n5 to arrived..
But i like camera FX, can someone try it on its nexus 5 and report if it's working well or not ?
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Stock Camera App
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I've tried CameraFX and Focal, and the pictures come out darker in low light and less precise... It seems the optimisation is built into the stock app at the moment so there's little point going 3rd party.
AndiTails said:
I've tried CameraFX and Focal, and the pictures come out darker in low light and less precise... It seems the optimisation is built into the stock app at the moment so there's little point going 3rd party.
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Thanks for testing
I'm looking for third party app since stock doesn't allow us to choose ISO for instance
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What about focal? Not sure if it works for the nexus 5 since I don't have the phone yet but focal has been pretty good for me on the n4
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The stock Android app is rubbish and fiddly to use, but ive not found a third party one that works very well yet. As has been said they seem to be optimising the camera in the camera app rather than in the firmware and Kernel. Rather cheeky for a Nexus..
Camera FV-5
Lots of options to take advanced control of the camera. Buy the pro version.
Scotty_Two said:
Camera FV-5
Lots of options to take advanced control of the camera. Buy the pro version.
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It doesn't work on the N5 so save your money.
Having tested a few 3rd party camera apps on my N5 yesterday I can say they all seem to be bugging out a bit at the moment.
I can also say, for gods sake, why are there no 3rd party camera apps for android with a UI that doesn't make me want to claw my eyes out. All I want is something neat like camera+ for iOS, is it too much to ask?
Dredyouall said:
Having tested a few 3rd party camera apps on my N5 yesterday I can say they all seem to be bugging out a bit at the moment.
I can also say, for gods sake, why are there no 3rd party camera apps for android with a UI that doesn't make me want to claw my eyes out. All I want is something neat like camera+ for iOS, is it too much to ask?
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Sounds like opportunity knocking, better get yourself an Android SDK and a few development/programming books and crank out such an app - there's money to be made, man!
br0adband said:
Sounds like opportunity knocking, better get yourself an Android SDK and a few development/programming books and crank out such an app - there's money to be made, man!
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That's a damn good point. Although knowing me we'll see this grand project started a few years late.
AndiTails said:
I've tried CameraFX and Focal, and the pictures come out darker in low light and less precise... It seems the optimisation is built into the stock app at the moment so there's little point going 3rd party.
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Does that mean no 3rd party cam app will likely ever operate acceptably with it?
Hope not, I was counting on some manual control options (that aren't in stock) to try and squeeze out some quality from this cam.
Give Focal a try.
I'm generally "not happy" with the camera so far (understatement). So far "A better camera" is the best. Here's what I've tried, I'll try to be brief:
Stock camera sort of focuses but can still be blurry, and sucks at low light and the menu stinks.
Focal isn't able to focus well.
Moto X camera seems to work but is lacking in options.
Camera FV-5 looks like a nice camera app with tons of features, but had a couple force closes and the demo is WAY too limiting to see if I can actually get a decent shot out of it. If android had a longer return period for purchases I would try it out.
A Better Camera does a good job of focusing and taking a sharp picture. It's fast and so far, has some nice features, the UI looks a little low res, but that's pretty minor.
if anyone has any others to comment about, please share.
paddylaz said:
Does that mean no 3rd party cam app will likely ever operate acceptably with it?
Hope not, I was counting on some manual control options (that aren't in stock) to try and squeeze out some quality from this cam.
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The phone has been out for less than a week. Give the devs the chance to at least update the apps.
If you're new to the nexus line, better get used to this. Your phone gets android updates first, which means that at Day0 of each update a lot of your 3rd party apps will stop working
Maybe the camera app from LG G2 is worth a try?
The camera apps are buggy. Maybe due to the bad auto focus in the stock camera ? Hopes this gets fix because when it focus right the pictures are gorgeous from looking at the screen.
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Try Lenovo Super Camera app. I used it on S3 and it kept crashing however on N5 its working a lot better than the stock app. I didn't try all mods and effects however I tested HDR mode and kind of liked it better than stock HDR+ but YMMV ... so give it a shot ... installs like a regular apk. Please post your experience here as I just got my phone a few hours ago so still looking for best apps.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2427015
P.S. By the way I am using 3.1.3 and since its working I am not going to bother updating to 3.5.5
My problem is the lack of burst mode on the stock camera. Other than that and the limited settings, I'm quite happy with the way the shots come out. I've tried a few 3rd party apps so far with burst shot but they all seem to be geared towards slower phones so they tend to severely reduce output quality to compensate.
Come on Google....sort the camera app.
Maybe a petition might help?
enaybee said:
Try Lenovo Super Camera app. I used it on S3 and it kept crashing however on N5 its working a lot better than the stock app. I didn't try all mods and effects however I tested HDR mode and kind of liked it better than stock HDR+ but YMMV ... so give it a shot ... installs like a regular apk. Please post your experience here as I just got my phone a few hours ago so still looking for best apps.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2427015
P.S. By the way I am using 3.1.3 and since its working I am not going to bother updating to 3.5.5
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How did you get it to work?
After installing the app I get force close every time i try to open it
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Galaxy s4 lollipop touchwiz vs stock

I am thinking about installing stock lollipop on my Galaxy S4, touchwiz lollipop just looks gross and I don't want it. Is this good idea? Which features will I loose compared to stock? First of all, i heard camera isn't that good... I currently have kitkat on I9505
Just install CM12.1
It's super fast, smooth and according to my month of usage the battery life is better (without using greenify)
Am pretty sure you won't miss the gimmicks like air stuff...
The only thing you'll be missing is the camera app (use the htc one camera app it's faster and better)
Make sure you install the right modem for better call quality and the right Gapps
In conclusion TW rom is good but full of bloat and unnecessary apps that takes too much space
Sooo go ahead with the stock feel of goole rom
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Stol3x said:
I am thinking about installing stock lollipop on my Galaxy S4, touchwiz lollipop just looks gross and I don't want it. Is this good idea? Which features will I loose compared to stock? First of all, i heard camera isn't that good... I currently have kitkat on I9505
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go ahead with touchwiz lollipop. you could install google now launcher and google keyboard and say goodbye to almost all touchwiz grossness. camera in cm12 its a shame compared to tw and nobody has solved it.
good luck
Install Camera MX from the Play Store if you want a free option that has working HDR on CM12/12.1. However, be aware that like the Touchwiz S4 camera, the effect is entirely done using software. The better HDR apps such as Camera Zoom FX Pro (what I'm using) or A Better Camera take multiple images and layer them to create the final image.
The only thing you'll be missing is the camera app
Stol3x said:
I am thinking about installing stock lollipop on my Galaxy S4, touchwiz lollipop just looks gross and I don't want it. Is this good idea? Which features will I loose compared to stock? First of all, i heard camera isn't that good... I currently have kitkat on I9505
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You won't have any of those fancy air gestures. Nor any of the samsung apps. And the camera features. It's not about the picture quality, it's more about the features the touchwiz camera has compared to the other camera apps.
Realistically, some features in the stock camera, for example motion picture or dual shot, are gimmicks. Everything else, including HDR, is a filter, which for the average person isn't a bad thing. Thankfully the stock camera's HDR filter isn't overblown and cartoonish, and using a filter does allow the end user to capture motion shots which multi-shot HDR (exposure bracketing) cannot.
Besides the fact it's free on the Play Store, the reason I recommended Camera MX if the OP goes to CM12.1 is because it has most of the same filters as the stock camera. It does have a couple gimmick features of its own, such as Mirror, where the right hand side of the image is a mirror of the left, and Kaleidoscope, where it literally takes a slice of the image and duplicates it in a 360-degree circle. While the app can be used "out of the box" without adjustments, unlike the stock camera you can change the intensity of the chosen filter, or even go with some really weird effects. For example, a HDR image where you have a rainbow of colors overlaying it instead of the expected "popping" of color.
ttabouch said:
Just install CM12.1
It's super fast, smooth and according to my month of usage the battery life is better (without using greenify)
Am pretty sure you won't miss the gimmicks like air stuff...
The only thing you'll be missing is the camera app (use the htc one camera app it's faster and better)
Make sure you install the right modem for better call quality and the right Gapps
In conclusion TW rom is good but full of bloat and unnecessary apps that takes too much space
Sooo go ahead with the stock feel of goole rom
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and you will lose bluetooth. that's a big deal.
rootuser11 said:
and you will lose bluetooth. that's a big deal.
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Bluetooth nowadays is used only for a wireless headset mostly and hooking the device up with your car. Other than that are there any other uses?
I have my device since november and used bluetooth only twice or thrice.
I doubt anyone uses bluetooth to send files anymore. Especially since you can do that now using NFC.
So it mostly depends on how often you use that particular feature.
I don't use Bluetooth at all. I have a wireless headset and never use it. So bluetooth is not a deal breaker.
Bluetooth works with me
I can evev connect my ps3 controller to play games
There are no issues either in NFC or anything else
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Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
I don't use Bluetooth at all. I have a wireless headset and never use it. So bluetooth is not a deal breaker.
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To each his own.
Maybe you dont use BT as often as I do, but when you especially need it imagine how frustrating it will be.
nonetheless, touchwiz lollipop has its own ****ty problems like video lag and recents lag. I am gonna give another shot at cm12 and decide which one is less annoying and tolerable.
I regret selling off nexus 5.
So how about enlightening the audience and explaining what you use bluetooth for? That way the OP can come to an informed decision based upon his needs, rather than listening to us prattle on about whether the bluetooth in CM12.1 is ready for prime time.
Personally, stock 5.0.1 Touchwiz is running really well on my 9505, rooted with alot of apps disabled/deleted though. Battery life is great, around 3-4 hours of screen on time with data/wifi all day and over 5 hours with just wifi on all day, pretty much no lag (except for the awful recent app screen). I'd recommend it. If you really can't handle touchwiz, then i'd say go with a Google Play Edition room (9505 only).
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Personally, stock 5.0.1 Touchwiz is running really well on my 9505, rooted with alot of apps disabled/deleted though. Battery life is great, around 3-4 hours of screen on time with data/wifi all day and over 5 hours with just wifi on all day, pretty much no lag (except for the awful recent app screen). I'd recommend it. If you really can't handle touchwiz, then i'd say go with a Google Play Edition room (9505 only).
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+1
And does anybody know how is camera in Google Play Editions?
Does it use Samsung drivers?
According to my tests and usage
The quality is the same, no changes at all but the features in cm12 or Google play edition are few and way less than TW ao if you want HDR and stuff go for camera FX or some other camera apps
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The main problem in the GPE ROM is that the stock camera is the Google camera, and as you note, it's limited, though unlike CM12.1, HDR does work. Danvdh & Kryten's GPE ROM does have an add on where you can replace the Google camera with the OnePlus One or Motorola cameras. I personally recommend the OnePlus camera. A nicer interface and you can store photos on the MicroSD. Compared to the Google camera you don't get photosphere, but you do have working effects.
For CM12.1, Camera MX for the free option with working adjustable HDR and other effects filters, or if you go with a paid option, I recommend any camera app that includes three-shot exposure bracketed HDR, e.g. Camera FX Zoom Pro.
Cm12.1, actually sabermod12.1 all the way!!!
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really bad battery and very very bad ram management on stock official ROM

[REQ] Flashable Stock Camera for CM13 ROMs

as the title says, i dont want to revert back to stock firmware, but would like to make use of the original camera app, since every other one doesnt really utilize the available hardware to its full potential...
painanddoom said:
as the title says, i dont want to revert back to stock firmware, but would like to make use of the original camera app, since every other one doesnt really utilize the available hardware to its full potential...
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As i know, i don't think you can, but try to use the Camera FV-5,looks very good to me
Have u tried my emui 4.0 camera port ?
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Well, for a fully working one...honorust provided the camera blop
Sheldd said:
As i know, i don't think you can, but try to use the Camera FV-5,looks very good to me
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Helped me.
gopinaidu77 said:
Have u tried my emui 4.0 camera port ?
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im not quite sure what you mean, but the hwcamera from either honor8 or p9 are not working on a CM ROM. it needs libs to actually be shown as an installed app.
i tried every proper camera app: cameringo+, retrica, fv5, camera-fx, open camera
and even silly ones: 360, candy camera
all of the above either dont run at all, produce sub-par results since they dont address the camera api/kernel properly, and none can capture video properly at min 30fps.
as long as this very decent camera in this phones pricerange isnt properly used in custom ROMS, im not even bothering with any builds. its just a waste of time, when the core selling point for this phone isnt working properly.
id love to keep using resurrectionremix, since i love that ROM, but as mentioned above - waste
painanddoom said:
im not quite sure what you mean, but the hwcamera from either honor8 or p9 are not working on a CM ROM. it needs libs to actually be shown as an installed app.
i tried every proper camera app: cameringo+, retrica, fv5, camera-fx, open camera
and even silly ones: 360, candy camera
all of the above either dont run at all, produce sub-par results since they dont address the camera api/kernel properly, and none can capture video properly at min 30fps.
as long as this very decent camera in this phones pricerange isnt properly used in custom ROMS, im not even bothering with any builds. its just a waste of time, when the core selling point for this phone isnt working properly.
id love to keep using resurrectionremix, since i love that ROM, but as mentioned above - waste
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This is something you deal with when you CM/aosp based roms. People think they can have their cake and eat it to. This is not the case. CM has had bad camera code for years and they really can't do anything about it without recording their libs and system from the ground up.

Is possible to install (and run) the XZP/S camera on orther smartphone?

HI comunity!
I'm pretty much noob in practice... I do not think it will work.. But if I take XZ's camera software, and install it on another cellphone (along with the camera), can it work? Or if someone is already working on it?
What for? Surely all current Sony phones are running pretty much the same camera software with different features enabled depending on the hardware?
alexp999 said:
What for? Surely all current Sony phones are running pretty much the same camera software with different features enabled depending on the hardware?
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In practice I would install the camera on another smartphone , Because I prefer (except for automatic mode, but I do not use it ever) it, As well as being able to make superslowmotion (960 fps), the photos are more natural, and not oversatureted likely s8/g6 etx, Good details, good stabilization.. etx
I went a bit ot, anyway, basically I want to install the XZp/s's camera (hardware) on another device , and make it running, And so I think I would need a software (probably special, Although I hope [though I doubt] that I can run with sony software) to turn it into another smartphone
Well without the camera sensor found on the XZP/s you can't do super slow motion as it has built in DRAM to cache the video.
alexp999 said:
Well without the camera sensor found on the XZP/s you can't do super slow motion as it has built in DRAM to cache the video.
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isn't it install on the sensor?
so is not possible to try to install the camera in orther smartphone?
ps: sorry for bad english
No
Xenoyr said:
isn't it install on the sensor?
so is not possible to try to install the camera in orther smartphone?
ps: sorry for bad english
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It's DEFINITELY not possible to use key features on other phones. It's all about hardware sensors, not only software.
There are "general" camera applications that can be installed on pretty muh every phone. This is a specific application, designed for XZP.

Important for community

I bought a new gr5 2017 its a very awesome phone but we need more threads for best camera setup how to take better photos also best battery life guides and custom rom/ kernel whos agreed?
What do you mean with best camera setup, exactly? I think that the camera setup (except the automatic mode obviously) will always vary depending by different situations... So experimenting various modalities and camera settings is a great chance to take confidence and create a personal setup of yours. I agree on battery life threads, i mean there are already threads about it but new tricks and tweakings to prolong the duration would always be appreciated. Guides for custom roms, if i got what you're saying, are already in custom rom thread's OP... Or you was referring to something else?
I think he meant camera setup in pro mode (like ISO, shutter speed...etc)
PalakMi said:
I think he meant camera setup in pro mode (like ISO, shutter speed...etc)
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Yes and it is just what i meant too. An unique camera setup won't never fits with all the situations you'll encounter, nor every ambiance obviously since that focus, aperture, iso and every you can modify to obtain a nice pic would immediately vary from a situation to another, so a "default" best camera settings isn't a doable thing to me
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Yes and it is just what i meant too. An unique camera setup won't never fits with all the situations you'll encounter, nor every ambiance obviously since that focus, aperture, iso and every you can modify to obtain a nice pic would immediately vary from a situation to another, so a "default" best camera settings isn't a doable thing to me
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Yes, it depends on the situation, the object, the lighting...etc there's not a perfect setup.
Unfortunately I'm not a photographer, I use auto mode always :silly:
PalakMi said:
Yes, it depends on the situation, the object, the lighting...etc there's not a perfect setup.
Unfortunately I'm not a photographer, I use auto mode always :silly:
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Same here ahahah now that we're in argument, the auto mode normally detects by itself the best settings for the environment on THAT moment, so it should automatically be classified as the best setup available, if we're not professional photographers and overall if Huawei's synchronized that function with the camera in a good manner.
I totally agree with you on this one
Do you guys use the EMUI camera app or another app ?
Thordelan said:
Do you guys use the EMUI camera app or another app ?
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I use EMUI camera
EMUI here too at the moment...
The only thing that makes me angry a little bit is that US model didn't get the update to use the monochrome lens only (unlik EU variant)
Rommco05 said:
Guys u can try if works this OP5 camera on 6X https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B63ZqpBoL_d8dHNHNFJMdmdUakk/view?usp=drivesdk
Here is small comparison https://forum.xda-developers.com/honor-9/how-to/comparison-emui-camera-op5-camera-t3663761
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Some one tried by flashing the op5 zip but didn't worked .
Rommco05 said:
But this just apk, not flashable zip
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Ho my mistake , let wait for a try.

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