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http://www.zifnab06.net/2010/05/evo-root/
Enjoy!
Looks more like a positive and not a possible.
http://grack.com/blog/2010/05/23/root-on-an-htc-evo-4g/
I'll wait to congratulate when I can test it
If this is legit, consider my pants wet and my credit card ready to purchase an EVO Can't wait to load stock 2.2 onto it. Sayonara Sense!!!
**fingers crossed**
BenjRubenstein said:
If this is legit, consider my pants wet and my credit card ready to purchase an EVO Can't wait to load stock 2.2 onto it. Sayonara Sense!!!
**fingers crossed**
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For some reason I read that as Sayonara Sensei, gave me a bit of a giggle.
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For some reason I read that as Sayonara Sensei, gave me a bit of a giggle.
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Glad I could be of service
I have no reason to believe any of the 3 would lie, esp after talking to ozzeh and Joshua over the past few weeks.
Its legit and real.
BenjRubenstein said:
If this is legit, consider my pants wet and my credit card ready to purchase an EVO Can't wait to load stock 2.2 onto it. Sayonara Sense!!!
**fingers crossed**
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froyo is great
I'm just going to leave this here:
http://i50.tinypic.com/2h4xa34.jpg
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I'm just going to leave this here:
http://i50.tinypic.com/2h4xa34.jpg
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work of art.
I'm working on a 2.2-specific game right now. My Android experience is on an Ion with an engineering SPL. After reading a bit about how root has gone for newer-model HTC phones, I was saddened by the prospect of having FroYo sitting in AOSP for the taking, but having my phone refuse to take any non-Sprint-blessed medicine awaiting root.
Like the rest of you, I'm hopeful that this method is easy, stable, safe, and successful. I'm also hopeful that the WiMAX support in FroYo is compatible with this phone.
Great work guys!
Any ideas when you guys will be releasing the exploit? I am dying to delete some of these apps and have access to root programs!
i'd say that we probably shouldn't expect to find the methods for root until at least the evo comes out... maybe a few weeks after so HTC can't patch it immediately.
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i'd say that we probably shouldn't expect to find the methods for root until at least the evo comes out... maybe a few weeks after so HTC can't patch it immediately.
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I highly doubt they'd stop the release of the device (with the hype that they have going for this phone) to fix an exploit, then go back into testing. Knowing Sprint / HTC that would prevent them from getting it out on the 4th.
In all reality the amount of people that buy this phone, less than 5% will root it. Some could argue that % is high even. With all the people I've met with Hero's... only one person has it rooted. He's a computer nerd like myself, and he doesn't even flash nearly as often as I do... maybe once every few months...
ill now its true when its on my phone and i have all the sprint bloat gone
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Roaming Lol
Awesome work guys!
I wonder if they have system write access too or if this is a limited root like the Desire and Legend.
This is quite amazing, a week and a half before launch and already there's a method for root. Hopefully the guys behind it can give out the instructions on June 4th.
Its a shame really..but with all the shenanigans its hard to just say great job. I am grateful if this is indeed true as I have already pre ordered mine and would love root on it.
Its almost as if your not doubting that they gained root, but more that you question yourself if what they say is true lol...make any sense?
If this is true, great work.
I've been looking around the internet and I see no progress on s-off. It looks like the one x is close but why is no one willing to work on s-off for our one s. I've heard talk of piggybacking off the one x s-off solution but that is getting us no where. If I had the ability and know how that's what I'd be doing so can't one of our few dev's stop making ROMs and make some real progress on this. I have a lot of respect for our developers don't get me wrong but why not work on something that'll make a big change. That's the way I see it and I figured maybe by sharing my thoughts and people getting on board we can get something done on this phone. I'm tired of having to flash boot.img's in fastboot and I'm sure others with higher hboots are sick of it too. Its a big inconvenience for people who are not always home and downloaded the latest ROM over WiFi. Doesn't s-off make it easier for the devs so why not?
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tylerjholmgren said:
I've been looking around the internet and I see no progress on s-off. It looks like the one x is close but why is no one willing to work on s-off for our one s. I've heard talk of piggybacking off the one x s-off solution but that is getting us no where. If I had the ability and know how that's what I'd be doing so can't one of our few dev's stop making ROMs and make some real progress on this. You can constantly update ROMs and never be done so why doesn't somebody just finish something for once and get us s-off. I have a lot of respect for our developers don't get me wrong but why not work on something that'll make a difference instead of continually adding changes to your ROMs from cm. That's the way I see it and I figured maybe by sharing my thoughts and people getting on board we can get something done on this phone. I'm sick of having to flash boot.img's in fastboot and I'm sure others with higher hboots are sick of it too its a big inconvenience for people who are not always home and downloaded the latest ROM over WiFi.
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Wow, show some respect to the developers. They are not you lackies, and just because they make roms doesn't mean they can magically create S-Off. Oh, and just because they don't publish a progress report doesn't mean that there are not devs working on it.
I'm sorry I went too far there And I deserved it but a progress update would be nice don't you wanna know where were at?
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Vain III said:
Wow, show some respect to the developers. They are not you lackies, and just because they make roms doesn't mean they can magically create S-Off. Oh, and just because they don't publish a progress report doesn't mean that there are not devs working on it.
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You should have seen how feisty people got in the Amaze forums a while back hahaha.
We're never going to get s-off. Not enough developers. It's hard work. Don't complain, at least we HAVE developers working for our device.
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We're never going to get s-off. Not enough developers. It's hard work. Don't complain, at least we HAVE developers working for our device.
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What I was saying was if some of our dev's took time off making ROMs they might be able to get us s-off. Go look at one x forums and it'll make you a little mad....
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You should have seen how feisty people got in the Amaze forums a while back hahaha.
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That forum was crazy...
And there's a HUGE difference between a rom developer and someone who could actually get S-off on a device. Not many people can do it.
Technically, ROM makers are considered "chefs" and being a developer is actually more work isn't it?
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We're never going to get s-off. Not enough developers. It's hard work. Don't complain, at least we HAVE developers working for our device.
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There were even less developers on the Amaze yet they achieved it.. took a while, but it happened. I remember checking the bounty thread like everyday lol. Same exact thing for the mytouch 3g slide, there were even less than the amaze back in the day. they achieved it too though
This kind of talk is so depressing for people like me who were on the fence about getting this device lol. When I had the offer to get the HTC One S I first looked in these forums and seen a lot going on, so I thought it was well supported but it wasn't til after i got it that I dug a little deeper to find out things like this. And now here I am stuck with the higher hboot. Very depressing but hey, it's still one of the best phones out. It just seems it is gonna turn into an EOL device. Pretty soon everyone we'll say to hell with it and go to a nexus only attitude!
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You should have seen how feisty people got in the Amaze forums a while back hahaha.
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LOL RIGHT!
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stratax said:
There were even less developers on the Amaze yet they achieved it.. took a while, but it happened. I remember checking the bounty thread like everyday lol. Same exact thing for the mytouch 3g slide, there were even less than the amaze back in the day. they achieved it too though
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True, even though by the time they got S-off I sold my Amaze for the One S. I feel like their was more motivation for S-off in the Amaze their was more talk. We don't even have a sticky discussion thread like the Amaze did.
Don't complain and be happy that we are at least able to flash boot.img. Look at AT&T One X forums. They are not even able to unlock their bootloaders with the latest hboot.
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I've been looking around the internet and I see no progress on s-off. It looks like the one x is close but why is no one willing to work on s-off for our one s. I've heard talk of piggybacking off the one x s-off solution but that is getting us no where. If I had the ability and know how that's what I'd be doing so can't one of our few dev's stop making ROMs and make some real progress on this. I have a lot of respect for our developers don't get me wrong but why not work on something that'll make a big change. That's the way I see it and I figured maybe by sharing my thoughts and people getting on board we can get something done on this phone. I'm tired of having to flash boot.img's in fastboot and I'm sure others with higher hboots are sick of it too. Its a big inconvenience for people who are not always home and downloaded the latest ROM over WiFi. Doesn't s-off make it easier for the devs so why not?
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If you don't understand the difference between a Rom developer and a team of people that can break the security created by large multi-national corporations maybe you don't have a right to complain?
Besides the majority of the need to do it has already been removed. The only real reason that you would want to do it now is to not unlock the bootloader through HTC dev and we already know the method to avoid that anyways.
Just a run down on what we CAN do with s-on
Root
Unlock Bootloader
Change Radios
Change Kernels
Super cid
And most phones can SIM unlock also
What exactly are you hoping S-off will achieve?
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LOL RIGHT!
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True, even though by the time they got S-off I sold my Amaze for the One S. I feel like their was more motivation for S-off in the Amaze their was more talk. We don't even have a sticky discussion thread like the Amaze did.
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I stayed a while after they achieved S-OFF, then I sold the phone for a nokia n9 and then traded that for the iphone 4 then traded that for this phone hahah
yeah, they sure did have motivation, I guess people are getting sick and tired of achieving something that we shouldn't have to achieve. almost every other manufacture allows their bootloader to be unlocked, etc. HTC is going to have to make more changes if they want to succeed in this market.
edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9Z2cOGHC8Q&feature=g-all-u @2:20 my point
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If you don't understand the difference between a Rom developer and a team of people that can break the security created by large multi-national corporations maybe you don't have a right to complain?
Besides the majority of the need to do it has already been removed. The only real reason that you would want to do it now is to not unlock the bootloader through HTC dev and we already know the method to avoid that anyways.
Just a run down on what we CAN do with s-on
Root
Unlock Bootloader
Change Radios
Change Kernels
Super cid
And most phones can SIM unlock also
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Yeah but the time it took to get to this point distracts dev's from even considering purchasing this phone. DOA
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Besides the majority of the need to do it has already been removed.
Just a run down on what we CAN do with s-on
Root
Unlock Bootloader
Change Radios
Change Kernels
Super cid
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..Change recoveries.
We do have a big difference between the 'old' and 'new' hboots, tho.
The older ones can flash pretty much anything from normal recovery. The newer hboots are way more restricted. Even if we can't get permanent s-off, it would be very nice if we got the means to downgrade hboot to 1.06 or 1.09.
-Jobo
tylerjholmgren said:
I've been looking around the internet and I see no progress on s-off. It looks like the one x is close but why is no one willing to work on s-off for our one s. I've heard talk of piggybacking off the one x s-off solution but that is getting us no where. If I had the ability and know how that's what I'd be doing so can't one of our few dev's stop making ROMs and make some real progress on this. I have a lot of respect for our developers don't get me wrong but why not work on something that'll make a big change. That's the way I see it and I figured maybe by sharing my thoughts and people getting on board we can get something done on this phone. I'm tired of having to flash boot.img's in fastboot and I'm sure others with higher hboots are sick of it too. Its a big inconvenience for people who are not always home and downloaded the latest ROM over WiFi. Doesn't s-off make it easier for the devs so why not?
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Great idea! Let us know when you get us s - off...
One, as previously stated that is a serious pain especially when there's no good place to start. It's completely different than making roms. Next I had the amaze long after they achieved s-off which people threw hundreds of dollars and hours into... Guess how much changed because of it? Nothing really changed. And so here you are asking devs who already take tons of their free time to do this for free. And you're asking them to go out of their way to do more so you can save 60 seconds when you are flashing a rom. This sounds incredibly lazy and selfish. It's not that hard to go to fastboot and flash a kernel. If you want s-off you should have at least made a better argument than that you're lazy...
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lorddart said:
Great idea! Let us know when you get us s - off...
One, as previously stated that is a serious pain especially when there's no good place to start. It's completely different than making roms. Next I had the amaze long after they achieved s-off which people threw hundreds of dollars and hours into... Guess how much changed because of it? Nothing really changed. And so here you are asking devs who already take tons of their free time to do this for free. And you're asking them to go out of their way to do more so you can save 60 seconds when you are flashing a rom. This sounds incredibly lazy and selfish. It's not that hard to go to fastboot and flash a kernel. If you want s-off you should have at least made a better argument than that you're lazy...
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Its not the fact that I'm lazy its the fact that I'm never really home to be able to access my computer I work almost full time and go to college full time maybe you shouldn't call someone lazy before you know the real story it makes you look bad if I had more time to get on a computer I wouldn't have made the argument in the first place. I'm not here to start arguments I'm here to get something to change and if all your going to do is jump my **** then go somewhere else.
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Its not the fact that I'm lazy its the fact that I'm never really home to be able to access my computer I work almost full time and go to college full time maybe you shouldn't call someone lazy before you know the real story it makes you look bad if I had more time to get on a computer I wouldn't have made the argument in the first place. I'm not here to start arguments I'm here to get something to change and if all your going to do is jump my **** then go somewhere else.
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I too am in this thread to get something to change. I want people who work almost full time and go to college full time to stop what they are currently working on and start working on S-OFF. Seems like a dumb request huh? That's what you're asking the dev to do......
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Its not the fact that I'm lazy its the fact that I'm never really home to be able to access my computer I work almost full time and go to college full time maybe you shouldn't call someone lazy before you know the real story it makes you look bad if I had more time to get on a computer I wouldn't have made the argument in the first place. I'm not here to start arguments I'm here to get something to change and if all your going to do is jump my **** then go somewhere else.
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I get ya, but it really came across as, it's a pain to boot to fastboot to flash a kernel. Which sounds incredibly lazy. Because it doesn't take long at all. I probably came across harsh I get that. But at least if you're asking devs to do something for you at least offer something, some help, suggestions, time, donations, something. I don't think it's good practice to come in asking devs who are busy and already do all this without asking anything in return to cater to just your needs. When you are not offering anything in return and even donations are to show appreciation. Most devs do have a life and as stated above me, are busy as hell too. So remember before asking this that you wouldn't have anything to complain about if the devs weren't already sacrificing their time, because you'd have no roms to flash to even be concerned with changing kernels.
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I mean I myself will wait until the last day to return it, and hope the bootloader issue has been solved. But what a shame, this device is nice. To hear the htc one already has cm10 is kinda of disappointing. So the question I ask what device will you get instead? Is it even worth it to get the international gs4 version?
I'm sticking with the GS4. I can live with the Disable option for now.
Also, I'm coming from a GSM Galaxy Nexus, so I'm already familiar with Samsung's hardware.
I don't care about the locked bootloader
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Why not have some faith in the awesome developers of XDA to crack it?
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I don't care about the locked bootloader
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Why not have some faith in the awesome developers of XDA to crack it?
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I'm sure it will be unlocked, its just a matter of time. Some people don't wait to wait for that time. The HTC One will most likely have a better CM10.1 experience because of the devs that have been working on it.
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I don't care about the locked bootloader
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Why not have some faith in the awesome developers of XDA to crack it?
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Trust me I do, but at the same time samsung needs to be sent a message on this. What a better way than to return their locked device. There are alot of unhappy campers here.
joshuadjohnson22 said:
I'm sure it will be unlocked, its just a matter of time. Some people don't wait to wait for that time. The HTC One will most likely have a better CM10.1 experience because of the devs that have been working on it.
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Time does not always mean a better ROM. Different developers pump out different stuff and once the bootloader is unlocked, the excitement will steamroll over to the GS4 development side. Guaranteed the GS4 has better custom roms at the end of the year :fingers-crossed:
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I don't care about the locked bootloader
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Why not have some faith in the awesome developers of XDA to crack it?
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If you have faith in what our awesome developers say, you should be as skeptical as they are about getting the bootloader unlocked. djrbliss tweeted yesterday that he doesn't think the bootloader can be cracked without a leak from Samsung. A few days ago, Entropy pointed out that since the S3, Samsung devices have gotten harder to crack, and they seem to be learning from their past mistakes and stepping up their bootloader security.
Still, AdamOutler is working on getting it unlocked, which is encouraging.
My point is, people shouldn't get their hopes up. If the bootloader is cracked(and I sincerely hope it happens), then great. But if it isn't, and you can't live without custom roms, then the AT&T S4 isn't the phone for you.
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Time does not always mean a better ROM. Different developers pump out different stuff and once the bootloader is unlocked, the excitement will steamroll over to the GS4 development side. Guaranteed the GS4 has better custom roms at the end of the year :fingers-crossed:
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It will all depend It is way to early to say which one will have better devs and roms but I do know a lot of good devs have picked up the HTC One and that mixed with the international version having the same hardware as AT&T will be HUGE! I think the big question will be with the HTC One camera on a CM build. if they can't get the drivers for the camera it may just be a 4 MP? Who knows. But Mr. Cyanogen himself has the One and other great devs. I hope for a quick unlock
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If you have faith in what our awesome developers say, you should be as skeptical as they are about getting the bootloader unlocked. djrbliss tweeted yesterday that he doesn't think the bootloader can be cracked without a leak from Samsung. A few days ago, Entropy pointed out that since the S3, Samsung devices have gotten harder to crack, and they seem to be learning from their past mistakes and stepping up their bootloader security.
Still, AdamOutler is working on getting it unlocked, which is encouraging.
My point is, people shouldn't get their hopes up. If the bootloader is cracked(and I sincerely hope it happens), then great. But if it isn't, and you can't live without custom roms, then the AT&T S4 isn't the phone for you.
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Cool! Thanks for the informative post..
I am not really following any of this as I don't have any interest in custom ROM's.
I have not even rooted yet but may do so once we have a way to restore back to factory. I'm pretty simple these days (I was a chronic flasher in years past) but now I only consider root if I want to use Titanium and AdFree..
I know a lot of users want custom ROM's though so hopefully the bootloader can and will be cracked.
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It will all depend It is way to early to say which one will have better devs and roms but I do know a lot of good devs have picked up the HTC One and that mixed with the international version having the same hardware as AT&T will be HUGE! I think the big question will be with the HTC One camera on a CM build. if they can't get the drivers for the camera it may just be a 4 MP? Who knows. But Mr. Cyanogen himself has the One and other great devs. I hope for a quick unlock
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Cyanongen ...has both the One and S4 " https://plus.google.com/100275307499530023476/posts/eGmW8e8sCn4 "
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wttisme said:
Personally right now I'm fine with a root and de-bloating. I do know it's possible to remove the root and return to stock if you need or want to return the phone because I had to. I just deleted the SU binary along with Busybox from system/xbin and the phone status went back to custom and lock on boot went away.
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Yeah I am ok with that to but man the UI is so ugly... I hope to see some changes lol
As for the bootloader, the biggest problem is the number of potential developers. I'm not buying the device (full price) and a jtag just to test. And the fact that they're using an open source system is not encouraging..But let's see what happens! It does reaffirm my distain for ATT though.
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Is this bootloader directly tied to the ability to Overclock? That is the only thing I care about. I find the stock rooted rom to be best on my s3 and my current s4. Just want some OC lol
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Borii said:
Is this bootloader directly tied to the ability to Overclock? That is the only thing I care about. I find the stock rooted rom to be best on my s3 and my current s4. Just want some OC lol
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Yes... No way to OC without a custom kernel or recovery to flash said kernel.
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SysAdmNj said:
Trust me I do, but at the same time samsung needs to be sent a message on this. What a better way than to return their locked device. There are alot of unhappy campers here.
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Yeah... a few thousand units being returned will surely make samsung cry when they're counting how many millions they've sold
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Yeah... a few thousand units being returned will surely make samsung cry when they're counting how many millions they've sold
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They may not notice but at&t sure will
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They may not notice but at&t sure will
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No, AT&T will not notice. They don't make their money from device sales; they make their money from monthly bills. So, all those who returned their S4's for One's and didn't switch to a different carrier won't even get AT&T's attention.
Personally I'm just going to wait for the bootloader to be unlocked before I buy one, if it turns out that the bootloader is not unlockable I'll just buy a GS3.
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No, AT&T will not notice. They don't make their money from device sales; they make their money from monthly bills. So, all those who returned their S4's for One's and didn't switch to a different carrier won't even get AT&T's attention.
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Thanks for the info but you have not changed my mind on the matter. I'll wait as long as I can.
I have been trying to figure this out for the past 4.5 hours. I have searched numerous forums but cannot figure out what i am doing wrong. I am using OSX and thought that might be the source but this is my second HTC One (M8) and I had no problem with the first one.
I have also tried this on a Windows 7 computer and get the same results... as follows, i only put the end after you except the firewater exploit with a "Yes".
!!If firewater hangs for more than 2 minutes or device enters qhusb mode, hold power for 60 seconds !!
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preparing, one moment
The first bottle is open
chugging..........
whelp, that bottle is empty, opening bottle 2
chugging..........
XXXXXXX-MacBook-Pro: platform-tools XXXXXXX$
has anyone else had an issue with this? Im wondering if the "HTC Sync Manager" that is on the phone is screwing up the process. because im using the WeakSause Temproot and When I'm in the shell waiting for root so i can enter "su" the HTC Sync Manager pops up and knocks me out of the Shell.
Please help this is driving me nuts and is ruining my weekend!
Yes, you gotta uninstall it and leave the driver
aer0zer0 said:
Yes, you gotta uninstall it and leave the driver
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This.
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If you're on a Mac you can just uninstall HTC sync manager. Don't worry about the drivers.
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Yes, you gotta uninstall it and leave the driver
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I understand that. I'm talking about the window that pops up when u plug the phone into the computer. It pops a window up for u to install HTC sync. I think it's inturupting the shell commands since root takes 30+ sec for me to get su du to the delay in the weaksause exploit
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If you're on a Mac you can just uninstall HTC sync manager. Don't worry about the drivers.
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I did uninstall sync. From what I'm reading I think the updated boot loader might be the issue? That is according to other posts. I'm not sure.
It seems like if this is the case the sunshine s-off method is the only choice I have I just want to make triple sure before I invest $25
Its because firewater no longer works, you have to use the sunshine app now to get s-off. And sunshine is not a donation type of deal, you have to fork over $25 up front if you want s-off and that is $25 per phone. The saying goes nothing is for free anymore, unless you count the polluted air lol. Have to give them credit though as they know they have you over a barrel and they really thought this one through.
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Its because firewater no longer works, you have to use the sunshine app now to get s-off. And sunshine is not a donation type of deal, you have to fork over $25 up front if you want s-off and that is $25 per phone. The saying goes nothing is for free anymore, unless you count the polluted air lol. Have to give them credit though as they know they have you over a barrel and they really thought this one through.
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Edit: just saw your reply in the other thread.
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Yeah supposedly the exploit for firewater no longer works and it says that when you try to use firewater and it fails. I had it work on the newest software a couple weeks ago, but now it wouldnt work on another verizon m8 I tried for a friend. For all we know the people that made firewater joined in with the team that made sunshine and both share the $25 per device fee. If you think about it that fee probably really adds up to some serious cash. Or for all we know its all done by htc and they are the ones charging the $25 fee as a way to get more money lol, but then they would probably do that on the other models of m8 also, unless sprint, at&t & tmobile requested that htcdev be able to unlock their customers devices. No matter how you look at it someone is making some good money from sunshine.
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Yeah supposedly the exploit for firewater no longer works and it says that when you try to use firewater and it fails. I had it work on the newest software a couple weeks ago, but now it wouldnt work on another verizon m8 I tried for a friend. For all we know the people that made firewater joined in with the team that made sunshine and both share the $25 per device fee. If you think about it that fee probably really adds up to some serious cash. Or for all we know its all done by htc and they are the ones charging the $25 fee as a way to get more money lol, but then they would probably do that on the other models of m8 also, unless sprint, at&t & tmobile requested that htcdev be able to unlock their customers devices. No matter how you look at it someone is making some good money from sunshine.
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Makes sense I suppose...better save my old download haha. I did donate to the firewater team twice when it first came out for the m7, though.
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For all we know the people that made firewater joined in with the team that made sunshine and both share the $25 per device fee.
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Ummm, the people who made firewater are the same people who came up with sunshine. No great conspiracy here.
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Ummm, the people who made firewater are the same people who came up with sunshine. No great conspiracy here.
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Haha! I was literally going to post the exact same thing, but I didn't have enough time earlier.
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Ummm, the people who made firewater are the same people who came up with sunshine. No great conspiracy here.
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Yeah so I"am really curious to know if the firewater has been changed at all including the download to rule out this being done deliberately, as firewater worked for me 2 weeks ago on the same new verizon software and now all of a sudden firewater no longer works ? Makes you wonder doesnt it ?
My Firewater file's MD5 is f63ac6f73bf369cfcc5b1c046221fabf and that worked for me on my second try.
I've been following this Firewater vs SunShine S-Off thing, and while I generally support the idea of a fee for a guaranteed S-Off, I think it's a tad unreasonable that they want $25 per device. I mean, how many people are gonna need it for more than one? You got the one, and if it works like it says, what's the other one? Your next phone? That's not gonna be a ton of people. And for those it is, so what? They paid. So many apps are per user for however many devices; you'd think a more expensive one would have looser, not more restrictive licensing.
But I also understand where the devs are coming from. They bricked a bunch of phones to get us this exploit, and if you got the One M8 for $200 or less (I got it for far less) and you saved hundreds by not buying it unlocked or the GPE model, $25 for S-Off ain't a bad deal.
I'm actually surprised custom ROMs don't cost money. It's a great thing what our developers here, and elsewhere, do for our devices. Of course if you pay for a ROM you want it to work flawlessly. How would y'all feel about an Android custom firmware ecosystem where you paid for (or subscribed annually to) your ROM of choice, got updates via email, good one on one support, and with that money, the developers were able to... I don't know... do more somehow? If the prices were fair I'd like to see developers get paid more.
So, I'm not surprised to see an exploit have a fee. It does seem high and the license restrictive. But I think, if it's a sure thing, it's not a step in the wrong direction.
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My Firewater file's MD5 is f63ac6f73bf369cfcc5b1c046221fabf and that worked for me on my second try.
I've been following this Firewater vs SunShine S-Off thing, and while I generally support the idea of a fee for a guaranteed S-Off, I think it's a tad unreasonable that they want $25 per device. I mean, how many people are gonna need it for more than one? You got the one, and if it works like it says, what's the other one? Your next phone? That's not gonna be a ton of people. And for those it is, so what? They paid. So many apps are per user for however many devices; you'd think a more expensive one would have looser, not more restrictive licensing.
But I also understand where the devs are coming from. They bricked a bunch of phones to get us this exploit, and if you got the One M8 for $200 or less (I got it for far less) and you saved hundreds by not buying it unlocked or the GPE model, $25 for S-Off ain't a bad deal.
I'm actually surprised custom ROMs don't cost money. It's a great thing what our developers here, and elsewhere, do for our devices. Of course if you pay for a ROM you want it to work flawlessly. How would y'all feel about an Android custom firmware ecosystem where you paid for (or subscribed annually to) your ROM of choice, got updates via email, good one on one support, and with that money, the developers were able to... I don't know... do more somehow? If the prices were fair I'd like to see developers get paid more.
So, I'm not surprised to see an exploit have a fee. It does seem high and the license restrictive. But I think, if it's a sure thing, it's not a step in the wrong direction.
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Charging for roms is not allowed here. The whole spirit of Android is open source and sharing. Charging for roms wouldn't be great for the community for a lot of reasons. Services such as s-off I can understand because we're saving a ton of money not getting a developer edition phone. $25 isn't unreasonable.
Main reason why we love android so much is because of the spirit of open source and sharing. Imagine if the big aosp rom names, such as cm and aokp start charging to use their roms. The countless of other custom roms that use their base as a source would be unable to use it. All the great development and features we get wouldn't be pushed by different rom developers because each would be building completely from source.
Trust me, everyone charging for a rom is exactly what we all don't want. Just donate when you can, no rom developer is looking to become rich anyway. Just give what you can so they can get something for their hobby and obvious talents. They appreciate anything you can give.
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My Firewater file's MD5 is f63ac6f73bf369cfcc5b1c046221fabf and that worked for me on my second try.
I've been following this Firewater vs SunShine S-Off thing, and while I generally support the idea of a fee for a guaranteed S-Off, I think it's a tad unreasonable that they want $25 per device. I mean, how many people are gonna need it for more than one? You got the one, and if it works like it says, what's the other one? Your next phone? That's not gonna be a ton of people. And for those it is, so what? They paid. So many apps are per user for however many devices; you'd think a more expensive one would have looser, not more restrictive licensing.
But I also understand where the devs are coming from. They bricked a bunch of phones to get us this exploit, and if you got the One M8 for $200 or less (I got it for far less) and you saved hundreds by not buying it unlocked or the GPE model, $25 for S-Off ain't a bad deal.
I'm actually surprised custom ROMs don't cost money. It's a great thing what our developers here, and elsewhere, do for our devices. Of course if you pay for a ROM you want it to work flawlessly. How would y'all feel about an Android custom firmware ecosystem where you paid for (or subscribed annually to) your ROM of choice, got updates via email, good one on one support, and with that money, the developers were able to... I don't know... do more somehow? If the prices were fair I'd like to see developers get paid more.
So, I'm not surprised to see an exploit have a fee. It does seem high and the license restrictive. But I think, if it's a sure thing, it's not a step in the wrong direction.
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I agree with you on most, but usually any bricked phones at the beginning can usually be unbricked so I cant imagine there really being many if any m8's that were not able to be fixed and sold off after at almost break even on the phones used, as usually new phones the value stays pretty high especially when its the best smartphone on the market like the m8 is and many months later its still on top.
It works still someone posted yesterday they just got it working an just got there phone...he said he used superuser instead of SuperSU.
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I can confirm what @Tigerstown stated. I had 2 M8's on the new software and firewater worked just fine on both. The red M8 took a second try though.
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I can confirm what @Tigerstown stated. I had 2 M8's on the new software and firewater worked just fine on both. The red M8 took a second try though.
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If firewater says "no amount of retrying can fix this" then firewater simply isn't going to work. If it fails while chugging and just doesn't work, but doesn't display that error message, then it's a different story.
It all depends on what the internals of the phone are, but people who get that "whelp, that sucks" message won't get a different result running it multiple times. Maybe newer batches of M8's will work with firewater, it's certainly worth trying it.
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I think its a supersu issue because with weaksauce the supersu will keep listing it needs to update binary and saying reboot and try again and it does it non stop. So I think you get past the supersu update binary issue like using superuser like others listed, get past that and firewater may work for you even if it does list that it wont work for you, get your supersu issues fixed and try firewater again. Dont give up easily and it may save you the $25 for sunshine and keep it in your pocket.
I just got the update and for the first time it was nice to be up to date with security patches for a change lol... the previous updates were usually a month or two behind..
But the download didn't specify fixes or improvements, I wonder if anyone knows a way to find out if there are any, like at the sprint website with a change log.. I can't seem to find one as I used to find one with previous phones with sprint.
the update was about 650 mb.
and nobody to update it to zv9. Seems the rom community has halted.
hi guys my phone update to zv8 can i do downgrade firmware to zv6 or earlier ?
No u cant unfortunately
I'm almost willing to forego my root and hotspot for an updated phone at this point. Particularly because every rom I've tried has been a goddamn Bluetooth nightmare, and somehow I suspect aosp isn't going to be better because I've never had a phone run aosp without Bluetooth issues, and I've tried 9 phones.
Hey guys, this is a new phone to me (was rocking a release date Note 3 until last week), and unfamiliar with this forum specifically. (Not sure how I like sticking all the carrier variants in one section, but given the relative obscurity of the phone, I guess it makes sense...)
This seems like as good as any place to ask fellow Sprint V20 user w/o creating a new(b) thread unnecessarily?
I'm also on the ZV9, and it's been so long since I've had an unrooted phone, I had forgotten how much of a pain in the ass it is. True adblocking alone is driving my need for root here.
Is my phone rootable with this version of software? Is the Dirty Santa the way to go? Thanks in advance!
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No its not unfortunately
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No its not unfortunately
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Ugh. Thanks for the response.
The phone is brilliant (after rocking the same phone for over 4 years, even last years phone feels like magic), but this might end up being a deal breaker for me.
Do you know off the top of your head what carrier models are still rootable?
My MNVO carrier (Ting) has other options of carrier models I can use, but T-Mob seems to be the most compatible.
Either way, thanks again for the quick response. ((I apologize for the non-searching, noobish questions, it's been a few years since I was an XDAddict, and still feeling my way around this new forum section.))
kingdazy said:
Ugh. Thanks for the response.
The phone is brilliant (after rocking the same phone for over 4 years, even last years phone feels like magic), but this might end up being a deal breaker for me.
Do you know off the top of your head what carrier models are still rootable?
My MNVO carrier (Ting) has other options of carrier models I can use, but T-Mob seems to be the most compatible.
Either way, thanks again for the quick response.
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Unfortuanely none right now unless u can find one that hasnt been updated
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Unfortuanely none right now unless u can find one that hasn't been updated
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No s**t. That's abysmal. How long has this model been like this? Is root a WIP, or a done deal unless LG/carriers relinquish?
I swear to F'ing gawd, this is the last time I buy a device w/o researching the ... heck out of it here first. IDK what I was thinking.
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No s**t. That's abysmal. How long has this model been like this? Is root a WIP, or a done deal unless LG/carriers relinquish?
I swear to F'ing gawd, this is the last time I buy a device w/o researching the ... heck out of it here first. IDK what I was thinking.
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Its been like this since june nobody updated root but they have a life you know people do it for free.. Development is pretty much dead except for los rom there updating pretty fast.
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Its been like this since june nobody updated root but they have a life you know people do it for free.. Development is pretty much dead except for los rom there updating pretty fast.
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yeah, the unpaid work of XDA devs is a thankless job. I try to make donations to devs that have made my life better.
And I suspect with the relative obscurity of this phone, there won't be much more root dev'ing happening at all.
Might have to make a new device gameplan. And I really, really, never want to go back to Samsung.
Thanks for entertaining my questions, you've been helpful, man.
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yeah, the unpaid work of XDA devs is a thankless job. I try to make donations to devs that have made my life better.
And I suspect with the relative obscurity of this phone, there won't be much more root dev'ing happening at all.
Might have to make a new device gameplan. And I really, really, never want to go back to Samsung.
Thanks for entertaining my questions, you've been helpful, man.
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I just got the v20 ls 997 also has zv9 preinstalled. I've been reading the forums and there is still active work on root for these phones. Thats all I know. Seems like they are trying to create a kdz or tot file since sprint never released one for this phone. Also there is a thread about creating a universal lg bootloader solution. I think there is some active work in the G6 forum and they talk about how it could help other models.... Just keeping my fingers crossed because I too haven't had a nonrooted phone in about 5 years and I don't like it. nope. don't like it one bit. The v20 is good but would be a dream if I could get root. heres to staying hopeful and keeping an eye on the resale market value.
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I just got the v20 ls 997 also has zv9 preinstalled. I've been reading the forums and there is still active work on root for these phones. Thats all I know. Seems like they are trying to create a kdz or tot file since sprint never released one for this phone. Also there is a thread about creating a universal lg bootloader solution. I think there is some active work in the G6 forum and they talk about how it could help other models.... Just keeping my fingers crossed because I too haven't had a nonrooted phone in about 5 years and I don't like it. nope. don't like it one bit. The v20 is good but would be a dream if I could get root. heres to staying hopeful and keeping an eye on the resale market value.
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Interesting! Good info, I'm still digging through this forums on this device, trying to wrap my head around it.
This really is a 'best bang for the buck' phone right now, esp if one is on a budget, getting a slightly older device. (I was limited to 300 or less by the wife in my search for a device to replace my old Note3) Plus the removable batt, the SD card use, a jack, a great cam...
I don't even use root that extensively (not a flashaholic anymore), but for the 2 or 3 reasons I do, it's important.
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Interesting! Good info, I'm still digging through this forums on this device, trying to wrap my head around it.
This really is a 'best bang for the buck' phone right now, esp if one is on a budget, getting a slightly older device. (I was limited to 300 or less by the wife in my search for a device to replace my old Note3) Plus the removable batt, the SD card use, a jack, a great cam...
I don't even use root that extensively (not a flashaholic anymore), but for the 2 or 3 reasons I do, it's important.
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I switch ROMs but really just being able to block all the ads! I didn't realize there was so many. And creating a back up shouldn't be so hard. Don't even get me started on all the background stuff apps are doing! And really there are so many great features missing from stock experience.
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I switch ROMs but really just being able to block all the ads! I didn't realize there was so many. And creating a back up shouldn't be so hard. Don't even get me started on all the background stuff apps are doing! And really there are so many great features missing from stock experience.
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Yup. That's the NUMBER ONE reason for me. True adblocking.
Been doing my normal browsing for the last week on this unrooted device, and (long stream of explitives here) the amount ads that I had forgotten about are stunning.
Getting rid of bloatware would be nice as well.
Have to admit though, stock LG isn't horrible, compared to Samsung.
(used all my thanks for the day, damnit)
anybody knows if zv9 nougat version for sprint lg v20 can be gsm unlocked?
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Yup. That's the NUMBER ONE reason for me. True adblocking.
Been doing my normal browsing for the last week on this unrooted device, and (long stream of explitives here) the amount ads that I had forgotten about are stunning.
Getting rid of bloatware would be nice as well.
Have to admit though, stock LG isn't horrible, compared to Samsung.
(used all my thanks for the day, damnit)
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I've been using Ad-guard and does a pretty good job at blocking ads for the most part.