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The black levels...

They're not at all awesome!
I'm coming from a Galaxy Nexus (Amoled display) which has close to perfect black levels, and a ASUS Transformer (IPS display) which while it wasn't to brag about, it was better than the Galaxy Note 10.1's screen.
I was really looking forward to the PLS display on the Note, I heard nothing but great reviews on the tech, but this is really bad.
I mean the blacks aren't even even, its more purple than black.
Is this normal for PLS?
Is anyone else having this issue?
Were there any mods that can be done that fix this issue on other Samsung PLS tablets?

I don't see anything wrong with the black level but I haven't tried using the tablet in the dark yet. Don't compare AMOLED with LCD. LCD will always have ****ty black because of the backlight. The only LCD type I know that has decent black level is CPVA but it's not used in tablets and it's still far from perfect. Asus Transformer TF101 has much worse black level (I have both). Are you talkin about some newer Transformer? Or maybe your brightness is set too high?

Also keep in mind that a lot of websites don't use pure black fonts.
Try turning the display mode up to vibrant and reducing the the brightness.
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if he's referring to the infinity, it's got a very annoying dynamic contrast. the screen dims and brightens as the screen changes, but it's not very discreet at doing so. my main reason for rooting the tf700 was to disable this stupid feature.

I'm sure I'm missing aomething, but I have a decent sum tied up in a plasma and HT equipment to get blacks close to right at home, so am always amazed to see people moan about black levela on $500 mobile device. I'm still amazed I can watch pretty hifh quality movies and even live tv on a mobile device like this, and just cant imagime being worried about blacks unless just atrocious. Am I expecting too little froma device like this?

I was referring to the tf101, but I went to best buy again and compared it to the demo model and realized mine was completely off.
So I TiB backed it up, flash that bad boy back to stock and exchanged it. This new screen is way better.
Although the viewing angles aren't amazing its still an awesome tablet.

Yeah, the viewing angles are the only disappointment for me.

toenail_flicker said:
Yeah, the viewing angles are the only disappointment for me.
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Ive never really gotten the whole viewing angle argument. I pretty much look right at my tablet when using it.
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mitchellvii said:
Ive never really gotten the whole viewing angle argument. I pretty much look right at my tablet when using it.
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maybe his significantly other has confiscated the device and the only way to use it is over her shoulder

mitchellvii said:
Ive never really gotten the whole viewing angle argument. I pretty much look right at my tablet when using it.
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Some are pretty bad like the iPad3 where if you're not directly front and center there is significant brightness fall off.

Improving viewing angles for Locked Bootloaders

Hey guys!
Good news for those ones who have locked bootloaders! Install this app: Screen Filter
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.haxor
It works with White Balance and can improve screen viewing angles! No need custom ROM, specific Kernel or Root!
Try it!
Thumbs up for the developers of Haxor!
Just remember that the app works like as gamma control of DoomKernel, which also tends to darken the display.. Just see my other thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=2710684
Cheers!

This is just wrong -.-
It's a screen dimmer just because when you dim your screen you can see some stuff better at an angle doesn't mean that you improved viewing angels
Doesn't work.

ak800i said:
This is just wrong -.-
It's a screen dimmer just because when you dim your screen you can see some stuff better at an angle doesn't mean that you improved viewing angels
Doesn't work.
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So, you say that "you can see some stuff better at an angle", doesn't that literally mean "improved viewing angles", which essential IS seeing things better at an angle? :laugh:
Yes I think dimming the screen is not such a great solution, but better than nothing. Technically, it does improve viewing angles to an extent.

tomascus said:
So, you say that "you can see some stuff better at an angle", doesn't that literally mean "improved viewing angles", which essential IS seeing things better at an angle? :laugh:
Yes I think dimming the screen is not such a great solution, but better than nothing. Technically, it does improve viewing angles to an extent.
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The brightness level can be adjusted in the application, so that does not become so dark, you have tested?
For those who have the locked bootloader is a breakthrough yes! I invite people to test.
Cheers!

Not really a breakthough, I used this app about a year ago. Its nothing amazing...It just dims the screen, ideal if you use your phone as alarm clock in a dock and you cant dim the screen enough with the native brightness control. But that's it
And unsure why you think this is a breakthough for locked bootloaders. The app is compatible with android 1.6+ and has never needed an unlocked bootloader to work

This application works like this that was shown in the video of Anirudh Srinivas:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PqJYw8ci6c
For me, it works better because it works on all display, including in the softkey area.
Cheers

tomascus said:
So, you say that "you can see some stuff better at an angle", doesn't that literally mean "improved viewing angles", which essential IS seeing things better at an angle? :laugh:
Yes I think dimming the screen is not such a great solution, but better than nothing. Technically, it does improve viewing angles to an extent.
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What im trying to say is
Dimmed Angle is better when Dimmed
But Bright Angle is better than Dimmed Angle

The intent was to help people who do not want to unlock the bootloader. It is quite obvious that the app works for both Locked or unlocked bootloaders, needless to say. Let the people test.
Not everyone knows the application or have tried something like that, and not everyone here is a developers or advanced users.
I tested the app, liked and saw some improvement in the display.
Let's be more friendly here and less kicking in the colleagues ass ok?

Sorry, not having a go..just wondering why this was meant ot be a breakthough
Of course people can test themselves

Just remember that the app works like as gamma control of DoomKernel, which also tends to darken the display.. Just see my other thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2710684
Cheers!

gregbradley said:
Sorry, not having a go..just wondering why this was meant ot be a breakthough
Of course people can test themselves
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Agreed....
It allows you to lower the brightness more than normal, WOW what a breakthrough.....
The viewing angles issue is a hardware one, sorry but lowering the brightness is not solving anything. The issue is using crappy tft technology. That being said it is still miles ahead of the original xperia z, the display on that was so bad I got rid of it after about a week.

[Q] AMOLED cinema mode.

Hi, so I am currently set to the AMOLED cinema mode in settings/display/screen mode as it helps with my red green colorblindness. However, I am wondering if the over saturated color gamut of cinema mode will possibly accelerate the rate of screen degradation.
To reiterate, will having my screen set to a more saturated setting speed up the process of screen burn in/degradation?

You'll be on to the next flagship before that happens...

0dBu said:
You'll be on to the next flagship before that happens...
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Yes, but I just wanted to know if there was any kind of difference using this screen setting, as I plan to keep this phone for about 2 years.

th30utcast said:
Hi, so I am currently set to the AMOLED cinema mode in settings/display/screen mode as it helps with my red green colorblindness. However, I am wondering if the over saturated color gamut of cinema mode will possibly accelerate the rate of screen degradation.
To reiterate, will having my screen set to a more saturated setting speed up the process of screen burn in/degradation?
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No, of course not. That's ridiculous.

AMOLEDs are known to suffer from burn in, but they've gotten a lot better than they used to be.

Brava27 said:
No, of course not. That's ridiculous.
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Why exactly wouldn't the higher levels of saturation lead to faster burn of those subpanel colors?

th30utcast said:
Why exactly wouldn't the higher levels of saturation lead to faster burn of those subpanel colors?
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Because you're worrying too much. Enjoy your phone.

Brava27 said:
Because you're worrying too much. Enjoy your phone.
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Quite right sir. Plus if something does happen I have insurance on it, so I suppose it is rather silly to be fretting over such minor issues
Thanks

th30utcast said:
Quite right sir. Plus if something does happen I have insurance on it, so I suppose it is rather silly to be fretting over such minor issues
Thanks
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I've broken two screens in a month and paid $400. I also have an s3 from 3 years ago that is impeccable. Screens are built to last for a very long time if taken care of. If not, just get a new one [emoji4]

0dBu said:
AMOLEDs are known to suffer from burn in, but they've gotten a lot better than they used to be.
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Yep, I know for a fact the S2 I had before my now old M7 had ridiculous notification bar burn in (out?), never had that problem with the M7's screen.
Hoping my S6 isn't affected like the S2 was

Color Mode? New Feature

So I have no idea how no one has noticed or mentioned about this feature in the new Moto X Pure Edition but it has a new feature under display settings called "Color Mode" where you can now choose between "normal" and "vibrant" screen colors.
Since they moved this year from AMOLED to TFT LCD this year I guess they wanted to give us an option to choose from

Here is the phone

Do you see a big difference between the two? Which do you prefer? My pure was delivered this morning but I'm away and won't get it till Monday ?

jrdnkasparek said:
Here is the phone
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Is that the dark teal?
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It comes on Vibrant as default. At first, when I changed it to normal, it looked a little flat, but after a while I could live with it. But I left it on vibrant anyways, coming from saturated amoled screens in the past, I'm pretty much used to it.

buggerritt said:
Is that the dark teal?
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yes it is, with a silver accent

toyanucci said:
Do you see a big difference between the two? Which do you prefer? My pure was delivered this morning but I'm away and won't get it till Monday
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Normal looks a little flat and less attractive than the vibrant setting in my opinion

Vibrant uses more battery I believe.
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sdelcegno said:
Vibrant uses more battery I believe.
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I don't believe so
but I will let you know after a day or two of switching between modes

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yes it is, with a silver accent
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I got that with silver and white front too. Is that a blue bumper around the edges?
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buggerritt said:
I got that with silver and white front too. Is that a blue bumper around the edges?
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I do not have any bumper on my phone. That is a pic straight out of the box

buggerritt said:
I got that with silver and white front too. Is that a blue bumper around the edges?
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He has the black/dark trim

So I will say after switching between modes for the past couple days, on and off. Vibrant mode is definitely the better color mode. With normal the colors seem more washed out and whiter, while vibrant makes the colors darker and less white, while at the same time making the whites whiter(if that makes sense)

jrdnkasparek said:
So I will say after switching between modes for the past couple days, on and off. Vibrant mode is definitely the better color mode. With normal the colors seem more washed out and whiter, while vibrant makes the colors darker and less white, while at the same time making the whites whiter(if that makes sense)
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Depends on what your definition of better is. The normal mode provides more accurate colors than vibrant mode, nearly matching my 2015 MacBook Pro. Most people are just used to oversaturated screens, especially those coming from AMOLED screens, so they will probably prefer the vibrant mode. I'm just glad Motorola gave us the option because everyone has their own preference between accurate and sexy and this way we can all be happy.

This is true, I will agree with you there

I prefer more accurate color reproduction within the limits of the display technology. My eyes hurt when dealing with high contrast screens. But superficially, "vibrant" will seem better, just like how people will gravitate towards the TVs in a store with the higher contrast and brighter colors even if it's just a setting. Having had a couple TVs professionally calibrated in the past, I'm not into artificially adding more color than exists normally. Vibrant probably crushes blacks too.

Saturated just has more punch and seems more contrasty. I refer color accuracy. The blacks are probably blacker on normal mode, just the whites don't get as bright so the blacks lose their depth. Speaking from experience in general, and not having moto x in hand experience.

cronoc said:
I prefer more accurate color reproduction within the limits of the display technology. My eyes hurt when dealing with high contrast screens. But superficially, "vibrant" will seem better, just like how people will gravitate towards the TVs in a store with the higher contrast and brighter colors even if it's just a setting. Having had a couple TVs professionally calibrated in the past, I'm not into artificially adding more color than exists normally. Vibrant probably crushes blacks too.
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Couldn't agree more....
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Samsung needs to get rid of the ambient light sensor used by always on display.

always on display is a great tool. but it isn't nearly as effective when it is displayed so dimly. the ambient light sensor of this app is terrible. it is almost impossible to see most of the time. i think that samsung needs to give us a setting to use adaptive sensor, 50% or 100% on. this would benefit everyone. it is NOT bright enough to bother anyone trying to go to sleep, when it is on its brightest. but it is sharp and easy to see when it is on its brightest. so please samsung, people want the ability to make decisions about these kinds of things. allow us a few brightness choices for the always on display.

Totally agree! I've found it is useless for me especially at night with how dim it is.
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Devhux said:
Totally agree! I've found it is useless for me especially at night with how dim it is.
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It would be harder to see during the day, not at night.
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I like it when its dim most of the time, and bow bright it goes when i look at it outside to see the clock without turnin on the screen. My issue is its not reliable. Sometimes it doesnt turn off when i put it in my pocket, or it turns off in my pocket but when i take it out it doesnt turn on ?? Anyone with this issue ?? Im on .22 version.

I like how dim it is now. I put my phone on a wireless charger stand on my desk and it was annoying see it bright and bouncing around so I stopped using then.

I beg to differ.... as I actually prefer it to be as dim as possible - especially in a dark room.
Remember what the purpose it is for...
That being said, I do agree with the OP for wanting it to be adjustable - it should be!

kittiyut said:
I beg to differ.... as I actually prefer it to be as dim as possible - especially in a dark room.
Remember what the purpose it is for...
That being said, I do agree with the OP for wanting it to be adjustable - it should be!
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I feel the same. Someone above said it was especially hard to see at night, but that makes no sense as it is perfectly visible at night.

If you applied the update, and want to get rid of the dimmer display, just go into the Application Manager and delete AOD. That will uninstall the update and revert to the original version.

CuBz90 said:
I feel the same. Someone above said it was especially hard to see at night, but that makes no sense as it is perfectly visible at night.
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To be fair, I usually would use it at night. I don't have the best vision and usually do want it a bit brighter than most would.
I guess I should have clarified that - for my case I commented on nighttime viewing since that's where I usually had it enabled. It really is something that needs to be adjustable
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Devhux said:
To be fair, I usually would use it at night. I don't have the best vision and usually do want it a bit brighter than most would.
I guess I should have clarified that - for my case I commented on nighttime viewing since that's where I usually had it enabled. It really is something that needs to be adjustable
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Ah ye I understand what you mean. Sorry if I caused any offense.
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