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Companies like HTC , Samsung & LG ...ect each one developing their own special Android Rom to differentiate their products from others.
I wish to see things in the opposite side, like why we can't see something like CyanogenMod Phone, we saw something like HTC First (Facebook phone), pure Android with Facebook application, but why people in CyanogenMod until now didn't try to go for a company like HTC and let HTC for example make their phone.
I like CyanogenMod but, mostly it will not work like the stuck rom, because of that I removed every CyanogenMod I installed it after few days from trying it, in spite of that I loved each CyanogenMod rom I have installed .
whish people in CyanogenMod listen to me
I heard that in China Miui made their smartphone and they released 3 smartphones until now, I know it is such a big step but they can give it a try
Guys, do you agree with me ?
They just might make their own phone....
Sounds good, which company is gonna do it?
you're right, with cyanogen mod phone we can have hard-hardware optimization, a tsock phone with no stock limits, like Xiaomi...
Cyanomgen is a team who builts the most stable roms. Their roms have became the baseroms for all the other roms for each device. Also canonical used cm files for ubuntu touch builds.
In other words cm iys a team who helps a lot of devices- whose oems have stopped supporting them- to stay alive.
It's very difficult to see a device which would be developed by Cyanogen Team and an Oem like HTC first as building an CM device would be against oem's philosophy and marketing. Evwn morw impossible is to see a device by CM as building a device from the zero is very very expensive
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You're asking why a free software development team hasn't tried to mass-manufacture a cellphone? It's a whole different game my man, cyanogenmod is not a multi-billion dollar corporation.
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Maybe thered be a cyanogenmod edition gs4 :sly:
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Or have a huge government backing like Xiaomai did
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Well, they are a software team, I know that guys, the Roms created by CyanogenMod are the most popular in Android world,..
Ok let's say we don't want CyanogenMod to manufacturer a smartphone, but as "jordanishere" said, there should be a smartphone with CyanogenMod rom.
Why to install this rom I have to root my smartphone.
I'm looking for a solution like when I turn my phone on there should be an option weather to use CyanogenMod or what ever stock or company rom, same way you select one from different launchers .
so my smartphone will work smoothly without a missing drivers or stuff that doesn't work.
the manufacturing companies also have to open their minds .............. the company which will take such step ..I believe it will dominate the market.
I believe that in Android world we should have the ability to choose what we want, buying Android device from X company doesn't mean that I have to use their Rom
one-option said:
Well, they are a software team, I know that guys, the Roms created by CyanogenMod are the most popular in Android world,..
Ok let's say we don't want CyanogenMod to manufacturer a smartphone, but as "jordanishere" said, there should be a smartphone with CyanogenMod rom.
Why to install this rom I have to root my smartphone.
I'm looking for a solution like when I turn my phone on there should be an option weather to use CyanogenMod or what ever stock or company rom, same way you select one from different launchers .
so my smartphone will work smoothly without a missing drivers or stuff that doesn't work.
the manufacturing companies also have to open their minds .............. the company which will take such step ..I believe it will dominate the market.
I believe that in Android world we should have the ability to choose what we want, buying Android device from X company doesn't mean that I have to use their Rom
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Oh boy you must be really new, This has always been the way OEM seperate themselves from each other. And with the open nature of android they have no reason not to make their own Distro of android. Also you have to understand that the missing drivers are not always an option as Base android or AOSP has rules about things being open and most OEM use closed sourced drivers because they dont make the drivers. A whole other company does and they are in control of how those drivers are used. As an example. HTC doesnt own all the software drivers in their device. The BT drivers are done by another company, the wifi drivers done by a different company, radio drivers another comapny and so on and so on.
Even CM changes the base android coding a whole lot from the base AOSP coding.
one-option said:
Well, they are a software team, I know that guys, the Roms created by CyanogenMod are the most popular in Android world,..
Ok let's say we don't want CyanogenMod to manufacturer a smartphone, but as "jordanishere" said, there should be a smartphone with CyanogenMod rom.
Why to install this rom I have to root my smartphone.
I'm looking for a solution like when I turn my phone on there should be an option weather to use CyanogenMod or what ever stock or company rom, same way you select one from different launchers .
so my smartphone will work smoothly without a missing drivers or stuff that doesn't work.
the manufacturing companies also have to open their minds .............. the company which will take such step ..I believe it will dominate the market.
I believe that in Android world we should have the ability to choose what we want, buying Android device from X company doesn't mean that I have to use their Rom
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That would be ideal.
But we have, democracy, corporate unfortunately.:crying:
one-option said:
Hi All
Companies like HTC , Samsung & LG ...ect each one developing their own special Android Rom to differentiate their products from others.
I wish to see things in the opposite side, like why we can't see something like CyanogenMod Phone, we saw something like HTC First (Facebook phone), pure Android with Facebook application, but why people in CyanogenMod until now didn't try to go for a company like HTC and let HTC for example make their phone.
I like CyanogenMod but, mostly it will not work like the stuck rom, because of that I removed every CyanogenMod I installed it after few days from trying it, in spite of that I loved each CyanogenMod rom I have installed .
whish people in CyanogenMod listen to me
I heard that in China Miui made their smartphone and they released 3 smartphones until now, I know it is such a big step but they can give it a try
Guys, do you agree with me ?
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yes ! its just like a 'google phone'
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yes ! its just like a 'google phone'
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No it wouldnt.
ok I had that wish, to see something like in my mind..............maybe one day It will happen
I can see something close to what is in my mind ....it is the "Ubuntu Edge" smart phone, more information about that phone here
It is high end smart phone with two operating systems, nothing impossible my friends
Some one listened to me !!!
Oppo pushing a new 5.9" phablet /smart phone with CyanogenMod rom :laugh:
for more information read this
I felt that I will see one day something like what in my mind
joshm.1219 said:
You're asking why a free software development team hasn't tried to mass-manufacture a cellphone? It's a whole different game my man, cyanogenmod is not a multi-billion dollar corporation.
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Well, in a few years we will see about that if they can do it right..
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013...o-with-cyanogen-inc-and-7-million-in-funding/
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one-option said:
Hi All
Companies like HTC , Samsung & LG ...ect each one developing their own special Android Rom to differentiate their products from others.
I wish to see things in the opposite side, like why we can't see something like CyanogenMod Phone, we saw something like HTC First (Facebook phone), pure Android with Facebook application, but why people in CyanogenMod until now didn't try to go for a company like HTC and let HTC for example make their phone.
I like CyanogenMod but, mostly it will not work like the stuck rom, because of that I removed every CyanogenMod I installed it after few days from trying it, in spite of that I loved each CyanogenMod rom I have installed .
whish people in CyanogenMod listen to me
I heard that in China Miui made their smartphone and they released 3 smartphones until now, I know it is such a big step but they can give it a try
Guys, do you agree with me ?
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No major company is going to give you all those features so their tech support has to be on the phone 24/7 talking to idiots that fried their device.
That being said unless Cyogen people made their own device and marketed it themselves(read lots and lots of money) it wouldn't be the same at all except for the name.
Sindroid said:
Well, in a few years we will see about that if they can do it right..
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013...o-with-cyanogen-inc-and-7-million-in-funding/
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Yes it's very exciting.
It's Oppo N1.
Lastly, at the event Oppo announced their rumored partnership with Cyanogen. While no further details were given, the Oppo N1 is going to be able to run pure Android thanks to CyanogenMod. It's speculated that customers will be able to choose between Color OS and CyanogenMod upon ordering the N1 from the Oppo website.
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http://www.gsmarena.com/oppo_n1_is_official_and_the_first_to_run_on_cyanoenmod_os-news-6841.php
http://www.mobileburn.com/22040/new...xel-camera-that-can-swivel-from-back-to-front
After all my dream became true and One plus one now is a reality
I believe I can claim a free one plus one with shipping to my door since I'm one of the first whom asked for a Cyanogenmod phone.
Link to article is below.
"Amid the mad rush to buy new iPhones this week, Android was still in the headlines. Perhaps the biggest news was in regards to CyanogenMod (CM): The group behind the custom Android software is now an official company and may have its first hardware partner.
Not familiar with CM? Most mainstream Android device owners probably aren’t and they’re missing out. CM has long been a great software option for those that want what may be an even better version of Android than Android itself. The small group of developers behind CM have made their custom software available for at least four years. So why isn’t CM software on mainstream phones? Users need to have root access to their handset; something that most people have no idea how to gain, or even know about.
Still, in the overall market — particularly with Android enthusiasts — CM has a solid base: It’s estimated that more than 7.5 million Android phones run the software with its custom improvements over native Android. And why not when CM offers features such as performance boosts due to CPU overclocking, better custom theme options and support for FLAC audio files, to name a few.
CM raised $7 million in venture capital this week and one of the easiest ways it can boost usage of its software is to make it easier to install. That’s exactly what the new company plans to do. Instead of a multi-step process that requires a computer to install CM, the company is working on an app for the Google Play store that will do all of the hard work.
It would also help CM if phones were launched with its software and it appears that may happen next week. Oppo’s N1 could be the first handset partner for the young company. An announcement is planned for September 23 and based on a teaser video, it appears a version of the N1 will ship with CM pre-installed."
http://gigaom.com/2013/09/21/android-this-week-cyanogenmod-is-a-new-company-while-ol-hp-has-new-slates/
Looks like it's not all sunshine and rainbows.
https://plus.google.com/106978520009932034644/posts/L8FJkrcahPs
Yeah, I read about the corp thing a few days ago on Facebook.
Not sure how I feel about it.
What will it mean to all the awesome AOSP ROM's produced around here that are based off CM's code.
But, I do hope it means I'll eventually get to use an AOSP ROM with the APT-X bluetooth codec. It's the only thing CM doesn't have, that I really, really want.
Anyways, anytime a new company is formed, there will be moral mistakes made and also some pretty awesome things should happen. So give CM time to make and fix mistakes, and then get settled in as a company.
I know that I am VERY late on this, but give me a break. I had an iPhone for years, and iPhone users get everything...just much later.
Google has been transitioning so smoothly that it was hard to tell. I just read an article that brought this to my attention and kind of scares me:
http://www.slashgear.com/google-seeks-to-control-android-by-making-more-apps-closed-source-21302205/
And now that I think about it, even though I had an iPhone long before I could get my hands on a high-end, off-contract Android phone, I still was obsessed with jailbreaking on the iPhone, and by extension, rooting and flashing on Android phones. If I remember correctly, back in the days of Cupcake, flashing a ROM meant flashing just the ROM. There was no gapps to worry about.
That has changed at some point between now and then, and has indirectly caused many users that want an "Android fork" to slowly start losing really cool and innovative features, and for people that make the mistake of buying locked-down devices, like those that most carriers sell in retail stores, unnecessary "features" made by OEM's as a back-up plan in case Google loses it and completely goes closed-source.
This is very troublesome for me. Android is the perfect OS right now, and it's variants (CM, AOKP, PACROM, etc.) make it completely untouchable by any other mobile OS. Hands-down, it has the most features, a great UI (better than all others in my opinion), and an amazing capability for app-integration. The latter being something that iOS users have had to wait all the way up to iOS 5 to get, and even then, for just a single social media app.
What is being done by devs to combat this? I know OmniROM is in the works right now, and that is very exciting, but in the event that Google completely bars off the Play Store and it's API's, where will that leave users of custom ROMs? Smart phones are made and broken by their apps and their developer base. Apple knew this, Google knows it, and Microsoft learned the hard way. Now that Google is manipulating that, and trying to bar-off non-Google anything, will having an Android custom ROM just mean have bare-bones Android with a severely-maimed homebrew-based app store?
I wouldn't mind if it could grow as much as Cydia did for iPhone, but I have a hombrewed/modded/jailbroken PS3, PSP, psVita, Xbox 360, Wii, NDS, Ouya, and probably more stuff I'm forgetting. I know what a hombrew-based market looks like. There are a couple of great applications and tweaks that add a lot of functionality, but if you want to find something that looks more like the finished product that the average end-user gets to enjoy, you have to search very hard, and sometimes only to find that very few of them exist. I don't want to see Android end up that way.
Thoughts on this?
A bit blown out of proportion.
Yes, gapps are great. Yes, gapps are closed source. Yes, there's alternative to gapps. Yes, your phone still works wonderfully without gapps.
All OEMs include closed source apps too, and no one whines about that. A lot of them are casually moving users to these instead of gapps, and for the most part, people don't notice it. At XDA it's mostly power users, but mom and pop don't care about gmail over samsung email and such.
I don't expect answers this very second and hope HTC veterans would kindly express their opinions. Both good and bad are needed to see if Project Treble is indeed the answer to the ever growing problems of Android OS versions and security patch fragmentation. If nothing else hoping HTC at least provides faster updates compared to older flagships
8bitbang said:
I don't expect answers this very second and hope HTC veterans would kindly express their opinions. Both good and bad are needed to see if Project Treble is indeed the answer to the ever growing problems of Android OS versions and security patch fragmentation. If nothing else hoping HTC at least provides faster updates compared to older flagships
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Hard to tell. They gotten two updates out so far and it's been what like three months since release?
Project treble from my understanding is more focused towards separating Android and OEM drivers. So HTC should in theory be able to release Android Pie faster without waiting for Qualcomm etc to update their drivers. The only real delay being them compiling Android with Sense and testing for suitable stability.
Potentially pushing a major update out the door and then following up later on with HAL, Modem updates etc.
You'll run into some battery life and performance issues at first since the underlying hardware code isn't matched up with Android Pie.
Security patches and minor updates won't necessarily benefit from treble. Since those are just minor changes to the system that didn't require an entire system rebuild.
In the it's a matter of what HTC makes their shrinking software department focus/prioritize.
They need to fully embrace the idea behind Project Treble. Google already requires them to provide a fully working vanilla Android build. They then customize the system and Kernel once Google gives their approval. They need to just accept and use all the stock apps Google already makes and just push out HTC launcher and Camera updates. Leave the rest to Google and the component makers.
Sorry, kinda just went off on a tangent/rant.
Tachi91 said:
Hard to tell. They gotten two updates out so far and it's been what like three months since release?
Project treble from my understanding is more focused towards separating Android and OEM drivers. So HTC should in theory be able to release Android Pie faster without waiting for Qualcomm etc to update their drivers. The only real delay being them compiling Android with Sense and testing for suitable stability.
Potentially pushing a major update out the door and then following up later on with HAL, Modem updates etc.
You'll run into some battery life and performance issues at first since the underlying hardware code isn't matched up with Android Pie.
Security patches and minor updates won't necessarily benefit from treble. Since those are just minor changes to the system that didn't require an entire system rebuild.
In the it's a matter of what HTC makes their shrinking software department focus/prioritize.
They need to fully embrace the idea behind Project Treble. Google already requires them to provide a fully working vanilla Android build. They then customize the system and Kernel once Google gives their approval. They need to just accept and use all the stock apps Google already makes and just push out HTC launcher and Camera updates. Leave the rest to Google and the component makers.
Sorry, kinda just went off on a tangent/rant.
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Your absolutly right, they should focus on launcher and app updates and leave the rest to google. Not only the launcher, also the apps are very outdated and it seems they didnt touched the phone/contact app for ages. I am using HTC since the legendary HD2 :/
I was hoping that trenble will speed up updates by a lot.
Yes I read reviews.
I owned a Oneplus One years ago and I gave up waiting for an upgrade and bought something else.
I here that OnePlus is better at upgrading today than they were four years ago. Is this true ?
Like I said I read and I know OnePlus 6 has available an Oxygen Beta (Android Pie) but it has not been officially released ? Is true if I buy a device I may need to wait several months until they Officially release Android Pie.
Now I know you will say just run the Beta it is stable but here is the make of break question I need Android Pay and Wear OS. My experience tells me if I flash a Beta required apps like Android Pay and Wear OS may stop working.
If I buy today I think the safe thing will be to wait for Oxygen OS (Android Pie) to be released. Customer ROMs or Beta OS will break for sure Android Pay.
Other than hating to wait for official releases this device looks fine.
No wireless charging sucks but I can live without it.
The Pixel camera maybe better but I read the OnePlus 6 camera is not bad
The OnePlus 6T will be out in November but ..... THERE IS ALWAYS A NEW DEVICE around the corner. Wait for the OnePlus 6T..... oh but it a few months this will be released.
This device gives better value for the dollar.
Android pay is not working in Beta, you should read the OP forum in the beta thread to see all the things being said.
The 6T rumor is that it will come with Pie installed but since it isn't out yet nobody knows if it will really be installed out from the gate.
Personally, I think Oxygen OS is a mess and from what I see on the threads for Pie, they're just patching it yet again and putting a new UI on it over starting from scratch. All they keep doing is carrying over bugs from previous versions and then trying to re-patch them again for either the new device model and/or new Android system. Considering treble is now installed on both the 5 and 6, IMO they should have started fresh and should have been working on coding an entirely new OS 2 years ago.
If I were you, I would wait until Pie is released in the fall and see how it goes and what the complaints are before buying anything.
Official Pie has been released, you can already download the firmware and flash it.
As for updates and kernel source upload speed, the OP6 gets both the fastest among all devices I had.
As for taking pics, use the gcam port for great picture quality and the oos cam for [email protected] recording.
The Official build for Android pie has been released today which is nice as it took only about 1.5 months after Google released it themselves.
Thanks I jumped on a sale, and ordered one.
I am not even sure at this point I care about the Pixel, it may have a better camera but I am sure ordering the One Plus 6 I saved hundreds of dollars.
The OP 6T is set to be released in the next couple months. Unless you're in need of a headphone jack, I'd wait to get the latest version.
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Android pay is not working in Beta, you should read the OP forum in the beta thread to see all the things being said.
The 6T rumor is that it will come with Pie installed but since it isn't out yet nobody knows if it will really be installed out from the gate.
Personally, I think Oxygen OS is a mess and from what I see on the threads for Pie, they're just patching it yet again and putting a new UI on it over starting from scratch. All they keep doing is carrying over bugs from previous versions and then trying to re-patch them again for either the new device model and/or new Android system. Considering treble is now installed on both the 5 and 6, IMO they should have started fresh and should have been working on coding an entirely new OS 2 years ago.
If I were you, I would wait until Pie is released in the fall and see how it goes and what the complaints are before buying anything.
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... That's not how android works .. even less since treble... You don't simply "patch" your Android version up to date, especially when it's a major revision that is changed. Most oftenly they start from scratch with some cherry picks. And rebuild blobs whenever necessary... files come from AOSP in it's normal form, then every time android releases a new version, this has to be merged with the current existing release yes, but that means that every difference from x that y has changes into x (x being the updated file, any of em, Y Being the old, already installed one)... Bringing something on /system over from one of the earlier oos, to a newer oos, would break alot. I mean.. we can't even run ob3 custom kernels on GM pie... Because changes... Having something stick around doesn't mean it hasn't been touched, porting is another thing, and there is also maybe a chance that it's the same group of devs handling this as it was back then. It's still oneplus. Also. Oos isnt nearly as bad as you make it sound.. Oos is by far the best fork of Android I've seen launched as an OEM specific android experience, and I've seen alot of phones. Simply due to its close resemblance of the pure experience, with it's small addins for simplicity, performance, and ease of use. The UI is Google's own new material guideline. Not oneplus'. And there was 3 pie betas wherein other Companies reach up to 18-20 betas... Are we owning the same device?
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... That's not how android works .. even less since treble... You don't simply "patch" your Android version up to date, especially when it's a major revision that is changed. Most oftenly they start from scratch with some cherry picks. And rebuild blobs whenever necessary... files come from AOSP in it's normal form, then every time android releases a new version, this has to be merged with the current existing release yes, but that means that every difference from x that y has changes into x (x being the updated file, any of em, Y Being the old, already installed one)... Bringing something on /system over from one of the earlier oos, to a newer oos, would break alot. I mean.. we can't even run ob3 custom kernels on GM pie... Because changes... Having something stick around doesn't mean it hasn't been touched, porting is another thing, and there is also maybe a chance that it's the same group of devs handling this as it was back then. It's still oneplus. Also. Oos isnt nearly as bad as you make it sound.. Oos is by far the best fork of Android I've seen launched as an OEM specific android experience, and I've seen alot of phones. Simply due to its close resemblance of the pure experience, with it's small addins for simplicity, performance, and ease of use. The UI is Google's own new material guideline. Not oneplus'. And there was 3 pie betas wherein other Companies reach up to 18-20 betas... Are we owning the same device?
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I didn't say they were patching Android, I said they were patching their OS. Yes, I know they are 2 different things and I know things are working differently since treble. They can fully keep taking their Oxygen OS and throwing it over the latest version of Android and patch it to make it work with the new code, which is exactly what they've been doing. Yes, they get a guideline, that doesn't mean they are stuck doing only that and making no improvements/changes. There are literally hundreds of options they can code for, but don't.
I'm sorry, but it's not only simple, it's downright beyond basic even to what Google turns on and codes for features. Spare me the dribble of "pure android" please, it's a ridiculous mantra. I've not put the beta's on my phone but have been reading the forum and I have not yet received the stable update that has been just pushed out. But I already see some of the complaints coming in and no I'm not talking about the nonsensical postings.
If you think that OP is doing a great job on their OS, then you and I clearly have different standards. I'm glad you love it so much, to each his own in that regard.
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I didn't say they were patching Android, I said they were patching their OS. Yes, I know they are 2 different things and I know things are working differently since treble. They can fully keep taking their Oxygen OS and throwing it over the latest version of Android and patch it to make it work with the new code, which is exactly what they've been doing. Yes, they get a guideline, that doesn't mean they are stuck doing only that and making no improvements/changes. There are literally hundreds of options they can code for, but don't.
I'm sorry, but it's not only simple, it's downright beyond basic even to what Google turns on and codes for features. Spare me the dribble of "pure android" please, it's a ridiculous mantra. I've not put the beta's on my phone but have been reading the forum and I have not yet received the stable update that has been just pushed out. But I already see some of the complaints coming in and no I'm not talking about the nonsensical postings.
If you think that OP is doing a great job on their OS, then you and I clearly have different standards. I'm glad you love it so much, to each his own in that regard.
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To each their own indeed. And it's not a ridiculous mantra.just as countless many others, I do prefer to be able to switch over countless amounts of phone but still have the same familiar, debloated and resource friendly UI. Having to learning all the different "UX"s gets pretty dull, as soon as ie Samsung gets settled with one, they change design language. And that, for me, is a deal breaker, I don't feel like having to relearn the same basics over and over, and where I usually have to install another AOSP based ROM on ie my Xperia, HTC or Samsung. Whilst the OnePlus just has the familiarity and non-rubbish feel to it that AOSP has. But don't get me wrong, as you said, to each their own, and if it wasn't for people like you that don't want the stock feel, we wouldn't have custom kernels and/or ROMs. And I've ran all the betas except ob3 and currently run the stable... And I've yet to run into any app not loading, crashing, or features not working as intended. But I would recommend not jumping on the bandwagon as I regret doing so, until there are some more data and user reviews of the stable branch. And I'm not trusting anyone doing a forum post not being previously recognized or a proper reviewer. The stable build is solid, but it's still early to tell.