This thread is OT. It is a place for the freedom of speech.
I believe that XDA needs such a place more than ever.
Here you can discuss and share your opinion about ANY matter. No censorship here, as long as you follow the standard rules of conduct you are also using in the real world. You can share your opinion, even if some won’t agree/won’t like it, as long as you are still polite in the way you express yourself.
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As a starter i want to bring up a topic that does bother many of you too for sure. It’s about that XDA is becoming a place where people come to make money more and more. One thing that concerns me most of all at the moment is the current S-OFF situation of several devices.
This text here was made by me and @neniick and it represents our opinion about something, that could not have been discussed anywhere for a long time now, although it’s a topic up-to-the-minute.
We dont want to disrespect jcase or beaups or any dev for that matter, we all know they put hours of work into these exploits to get it working and make it user friendly.
BUT they sell their product, and they ask a way too high amount for it. We get that they need to buy phones and tools for these exploits, their website/ hosting costs etc, but think about it, if only 1000 people use sunshine, they get $25000(!). Thats just insane. Also, this is not xda sharing anymore, this is pure business. Business because they can. Because they are the only ones able to do this.
And for us, the argument that their work is of a “higher” quality than the work/contributions of others is invalid in our opinion. We believe in SHARING. Everyone gives the community what he is CAPABLE of. There is NO need to distinguish the “deliverables”. Every dev/modder/whatever contributes time in his own way. BUT NO ONE charges anything for it. You can donate if you want to of course, but no one is allowed to CHARGE something. It just doesn’t match the spirit of XDA. Something that was possible only some time ago, is now not “possible” anymore to be shared for free… C’mon.
We really think xda is going down the way things are going right now. We would not use sunshine s-off, since it goes just against what XDA stands for (or at least once did), and that should not be supported. People are abusing their monopoly. It's about making money. Not about helping/doing it for the community anymore, don't even mention "sharing". Of course nobody owes anything to anyone here.
But that's exactly the point. They don't owe us s-off, but also, they should not be allowed to sell it here. There are xda rules applying to everyone, no matter what they do/share here. No matter if you are a simple member or a mega-dev/mega-ultra-mod.
But mysteriously, with sunshine it gets tolerated. Remember revone/moonshine/rumrunner s-off solutions? They were all free. You could donate if you wanted to show your appreciation. But what happens now is monopolization. And greed. And we don't think this is fair. And we won't support it. This is simple abuse of "market position". Also we won’t just shut up about it.
That you can't say anything about/against it anymore without being attacked/censored/etc. anymore... It proves everything we said. We most likely will get nearly banned for this statement now and these open words. And that's exactly what should make us start thinking people. We need to start a discussion here.
We won't go s-off this way. We just can't stand this behaviour anymore. And we think many of you guys are thinking the same way.
We should set an example against capitalism on xda. Capitalism that does not even try to hide anymore.
Now we would really like to hear about the opinions of you guys
Seriously, you opened a thread to basically cry about 25˘$?
I hope @jcase or @beaups raise it to 30$ just to piss you off :laugh:
I don't believe he was crying while typing his opinion. You don't need to worry, he doesn't seem depressed.
I think they have all the right in the world to sell their product for the price they want. Just not in XDA, because those have been the rules for as long as I am a member and I remember some devs from HD2 being expelled from here for similar reasons.
ivicask said:
Seriously, you opened a thread to basically cry about 25˘$?
I hope @jcase or @beaups raise it to 30$ just to piss you off [emoji23]
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If you would have read the statement closely, you would have realized that it's not about the amount. They can charge 100$ if they want to. But not on XDA then. This is my opinion.
Edit: Also this thread is not only meant to cry about s-off. It should be a space where your opinion has a right to stay. So please, either discuss with us or don't. But it's not about provoke here.
I am going to happily pay mu $25 when the M9 exploit is out, they could easily sit on whatever exploit they have had to basically make public (indirectly) and those exploits could themselves be worth thousands.
Electronic Punk said:
I am going to happily pay mu $25 when the M9 exploit is out, they could easily sit on whatever exploit they have had to basically make public (indirectly) and those exploits could themselves be worth thousands.
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I get your point. But don't you think XDA should not furnish the advertising space for a profit-orientated organization? I have seen devs get banned for less...
Here on XDA i'd like to see voluntarily shared stuff.
ivicask said:
Seriously, you opened a thread to basically cry about 25˘$?
I hope @jcase or @beaups raise it to 30$ just to piss you off :laugh:
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its not only about the price. its also about that they have a monopoly position on s-off atm and that they have a certain status on xda which puts them in a position where they can do/ask whatever they want. and yes of course there would be a lot less people having problems with this if the price was a bit lower.
herwegan said:
I get your point. But don't you think XDA should not furnish the advertising space for a profit-orientated organization? I have seen devs get banned for less...
Here on XDA i'd like to see voluntarily shared stuff.
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What type of software would you expect to see discussed/promoted/advertised in the "Paid Software Announcement and Discussion" forum?
--beaups
herwegan said:
This thread is OT. It is a place for the freedom of speech.
I believe that XDA needs such a place more than ever.
Here you can discuss and share your opinion about ANY matter. No censorship here, as long as you follow the standard rules of conduct you are also using in the real world. You can share your opinion, even if some won’t agree/won’t like it, as long as you are still polite in the way you express yourself.
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As a starter i want to bring up a topic that does bother many of you too for sure. It’s about that XDA is becoming a place where people come to make money more and more. One thing that concerns me most of all at the moment is the current S-OFF situation of several devices.
This text here was made by me and @neniick and it represents our opinion about something, that could not have been discussed anywhere for a long time now, although it’s a topic up-to-the-minute.
We dont want to disrespect jcase or beaups or any dev for that matter, we all know they put hours of work into these exploits to get it working and make it user friendly.
BUT they sell their product, and they ask a way too high amount for it. We get that they need to buy phones and tools for these exploits, their website/ hosting costs etc, but think about it, if only 1000 people use sunshine, they get $25000(!). Thats just insane. Also, this is not xda sharing anymore, this is pure business. Business because they can. Because they are the only ones able to do this.
And for us, the argument that their work is of a “higher” quality than the work/contributions of others is invalid in our opinion. We believe in SHARING. Everyone gives the community what he is CAPABLE of. There is NO need to distinguish the “deliverables”. Every dev/modder/whatever contributes time in his own way. BUT NO ONE charges anything for it. You can donate if you want to of course, but no one is allowed to CHARGE something. It just doesn’t match the spirit of XDA. Something that was possible only some time ago, is now not “possible” anymore to be shared for free… C’mon.
We really think xda is going down the way things are going right now. We would not use sunshine s-off, since it goes just against what XDA stands for (or at least once did), and that should not be supported. People are abusing their monopoly. It's about making money. Not about helping/doing it for the community anymore, don't even mention "sharing". Of course nobody owes anything to anyone here.
But that's exactly the point. They don't owe us s-off, but also, they should not be allowed to sell it here. There are xda rules applying to everyone, no matter what they do/share here. No matter if you are a simple member or a mega-dev/mega-ultra-mod.
But mysteriously, with sunshine it gets tolerated. Remember revone/moonshine/rumrunner s-off solutions? They were all free. You could donate if you wanted to show your appreciation. But what happens now is monopolization. And greed. And we don't think this is fair. And we won't support it. This is simple abuse of "market position". Also we won’t just shut up about it.
That you can't say anything about/against it anymore without being attacked/censored/etc. anymore... It proves everything we said. We most likely will get nearly banned for this statement now and these open words. And that's exactly what should make us start thinking people. We need to start a discussion here.
We won't go s-off this way. We just can't stand this behaviour anymore. And we think many of you guys are thinking the same way.
We should set an example against capitalism on xda. Capitalism that does not even try to hide anymore.
Now we would really like to hear about the opinions of you guys
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I think the topic misses the real purpose of this thread, this thread is not about off topic, it should have been about the fact that people use the xda community to make money.
The whole idea of xda was allowing developers to express themselves and contribute to the community, by volunteering to do so. This drew a lot of people with variaty of skills and knowledge to contribute as well with reviews, opinions and more. The community would then donate to the contributors who invest large amount of their free time to encourage them to continue.
That's what made xda successful.
The case with the s-off is just non-sense, the developers of sunshine, with the skills they have, used the contributors and knowledge of xda to make profit for themselves, this is pure selfishness. They were not only benefited from xda, they even included some of chainfire's work in their product, the supersu.
The most annoying thing is that some of the community think they deserve it, well, imagine how the other contributors who have their work for free must feel, they must have been expecting to benefit from the other contributors' work as well, the feeling must be unfair.
I ask the managers of xda to think about it, and disallow profit making at xda, except for donations of course, which is common at many other forums and crucial for the community to keep growing.
Yep.
For what was created that section if not for paid software?
C'mon guys
beaups said:
What type of software would you expect to see discussed/promoted/advertised in the "Paid Software Announcement and Discussion" forum?
--beaups
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cyrusct82 said:
Yep.
For what was created that section if not for paid software?
C'mon guys
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It's the place/paid section itself that should not exist imo. If your argument was valid, every single contributor could just post his work there in this section and charge something for it.. Imagine what the XDA community would become then... We don't want that. And the point is: the other contributors don't have their threads in this sections. We want to stop this movement and come back to the XDA spirit. Sharing. Voluntary. And if you don't feel like sharing, just don't. But let's not make XDA a place of profit.
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It's the place/paid section itself that should not exist imo. If your argument was valid, every single contributor could just post his work there in this section and charge something for it.. Imagine what the XDA community would become then... We don't want that. And the point is: the other contributors don't have their threads in this sections. We want to stop this movement and come back to the XDA spirit. Sharing. Voluntary. And if you don't feel like sharing, just don't. But let's not make XDA a place of profit.
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Yes SHARING
And some clever guys that make money from the work of devs like @beaups and @jcase repacking their software and making money out of it. (It was happened in the past with their software).
cyrusct82 said:
Yes SHARING
And some clever guys that make money from the work of devs like @beaups and @jcase repacking their software and making money out of it. (It was happened in the past with their software).
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I'm fine with paying for s-off, even 25$ or whatever they ask for it. Also fine with them making a profit out of this if that's the case.
Problem I have with it is why is it 25? Because that's a pretty high price for something that could be achieved by free software in the past.
Maybe beaups or jcase would be so kind to shed some light on the costs/time/etc they put into this? so that us users can better understand what it takes to develop this.
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I'm fine with paying for s-off, even 25$ or whatever they ask for it. Also fine with them making a profit out of this if that's the case.
Problem I have with it is why is it 25? Because that's a pretty high price for something that could be achieved by free software in the past.
Maybe beaups or jcase would be so kind to shed some light on the costs/time/etc they put into this? so that us users can better understand what it takes to develop this.
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Why does the price needs to be discussed?
HTC didn't discuss with me before asking a hefty 769 euros for the M9 in my country?/
If I believe that any price is worthy for what it gives me, I will buy the service or product, if not, I wont.
It doesn't get more simple than that.
RollingSnowBall said:
I think the topic misses the real purpose of this thread, this thread is not about off topic, it should have been about the fact that people use the xda community to make money.
The whole idea of xda was allowing developers to express themselves and contribute to the community, by volunteering to do so. This drew a lot of people with variaty of skills and knowledge to contribute as well with reviews, opinions and more. The community would then donate to the contributors who invest large amount of their free time to encourage them to continue.
That's what made xda successful.
The case with the s-off is just non-sense, the developers of sunshine, with the skills they have, used the contributors and knowledge of xda to make profit for themselves, this is pure selfishness. They were not only benefited from xda, they even included some of chainfire's work in their product, the supersu.
The most annoying thing is that some of the community think they deserve it, well, imagine how the other contributors who have their work for free must feel, they must have been expecting to benefit from the other contributors' work as well, the feeling must be unfair.
I ask the managers of xda to think about it, and disallow profit making at xda, except for donations of course, which is common at many other forums and crucial for the community to keep growing.
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This seems weird coming from a user of 4 days on XDA.
Care to shed some light on this? Was there a previous account you were using and if so why aren't you using it at present?
neniick said:
I'm fine with paying for s-off, even 25$ or whatever they ask for it. Also fine with them making a profit out of this if that's the case.
Problem I have with it is why is it 25? Because that's a pretty high price for something that could be achieved by free software in the past.
Maybe beaups or jcase would be so kind to shed some light on the costs/time/etc they put into this? so that us users can better understand what it takes to develop this.
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We've shared some of our costs and time investments dozens of times and frankly, we shouldn't have to. Most of that free software in the past you referenced was also developed by some of the same people behind SunShine (myself included).
--beaups
RollingSnowBall said:
I think the topic misses the real purpose of this thread, this thread is not about off topic, it should have been about the fact that people use the xda community to make money.
The whole idea of xda was allowing developers to express themselves and contribute to the community, by volunteering to do so. This drew a lot of people with variaty of skills and knowledge to contribute as well with reviews, opinions and more. The community would then donate to the contributors who invest large amount of their free time to encourage them to continue.
That's what made xda successful.
The case with the s-off is just non-sense, the developers of sunshine, with the skills they have, used the contributors and knowledge of xda to make profit for themselves, this is pure selfishness. They were not only benefited from xda, they even included some of chainfire's work in their product, the supersu.
The most annoying thing is that some of the community think they deserve it, well, imagine how the other contributors who have their work for free must feel, they must have been expecting to benefit from the other contributors' work as well, the feeling must be unfair.
I ask the managers of xda to think about it, and disallow profit making at xda, except for donations of course, which is common at many other forums and crucial for the community to keep growing.
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Get your facts straight.
1.) We used no "contributors and knowledge of xda to make" profit. We developed SunShine with our own research and nothing to do with XDA.
2.) We don't include SuperSU with SunShine, or any other work from CF.
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Seriously, you opened a thread to basically cry about 25˘$?
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its XDA since did we lose the right to open threads? in the most general areas non the less
may I remind you that it's 25$ per device. how many times do you exchange your device? whether for warranty, a weaker chip set or maybe for desiring a different color, everytime you do so, in order to have full firmware flashing functionality you will need to repay the amount, if your family members bought a bad import and you need to do them a favor, well you guess it you have to pay it again
the reason why HTC owners want s-off so bad, is that a vital part of the flashing functionality are linked to s-off, such as modem firmware or downgrade
more importantly SO many countries still faill to support paypal
now let's talk about fairplay, how many kernel devs out there; who sweat under our daily cries; provide their kernels exclusively for money? and i can go on about every single soul sweating time and blood for contributing in this community
alas clap blindly
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2.) We don't include SuperSU with SunShine, or any other work from CF.
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Yawn, I have permission to distributing SuperSU if I wish to.
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I asked for it explicitly because I know someone would try to accuse me of stealing his work at somepoint, didn't think it would be someone on XDA but w/e.
ChainFire is one of the few "internet people" I've met. Great guy, living in a beautiful country.
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I think they have all the right in the world to sell their product for the price they want. Just not in XDA
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this wasnt this always the rule? why bend it now?
now punish us for saying our opinion
Related
Hi all,
I've posted about this trash before but now it is really annoying me.
We all do our work here for free and for the better good of the community and those who use these PDA's.
I am so sick of people abusing our work and selling it on Ebay without even a thank you let alone any form of re-imbursement for the hard work we do.
I know it's not piracy, and what we do here is pretty much open-source if you like, but this stuff is really getting on my nerves.
Everytime I go on Ebay and search for PDAs the same trash pops up, some idiot making a fast buck off the back of hard working Developers like us.
The guy is selling a Uni with Laurentius's and mine Rom on it and trying to make an extra £50- £70 for our hard work, since the Uni is normally going for between £160- £200 these days.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI....ndexURL=4&photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting
I have no idea what we can do about it, I am reporting him to Ebay and would be gratefull for the support of the community in doing the same with this guy and others like him.
It ruins this community and really winds me up to the point that I wonder if should even bother any more.
Cheers,
A very p....ssd off Beasty
I am more surprised that people actually paying to buy ROMs which are available for free. Beasty maybe you should be listing the ROMs since people don’t really want to hit the donation icon here. And I will give you a good feedback to get you started.
beast0898 said:
Hi all,
I've posted about this trash before but now it is really annoying me.
We all do our work here for free and for the better good of the community and those who use these PDA's.
I am so sick of people abusing our work and selling it on Ebay without even a thank you let alone any form of re-imbursement for the hard work we do.
I know it's not piracy, and what we do here is pretty much open-source if you like, but this stuff is really getting on my nerves.
Everytime I go on Ebay and search for PDAs the same trash pops up, some idiot making a fast buck off the back of hard working Developers like us.
The guy is selling a Uni with Laurentius's and mine Rom on it and trying to make an extra £50- £70 for our hard work, since the Uni is normally going for between £160- £200 these days.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI....ndexURL=4&photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting
I have no idea what we can do about it, I am reporting him to Ebay and would be gratefull for the support of the community in doing the same with this guy and others like him.
It ruins this community and really winds me up to the point that I wonder if should even bother any more.
MODS PLEASE STICKY THIS
Cheers,
A very p....ssd off Beasty
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I don't wish to sell them, and besides that it would be illegal to do so.
My point is that we do this for free and scum bags try to make money for nothing from others contributions to this community.
I know how stupid Microsoft will look if people start selling their modified ROMs. But I did discover one thing when you are pissed you do lose your sense of humor.
beast0898 said:
I don't wish to sell them, and besides that it would be illegal to do so.
My point is that we do this for free and scum bags try to make money for nothing from others contributions to this community.
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Yes... a lot of time goes in cooking\developing rom's and we are offering this ROM's for free here. How would you feel if we stop doing this!
I have no good words for people who are selling our ROM's on Ebay.
I might have to think about that if you stop making ROM how will I feel? I think then I will have no good words for you. Just kidding I guess then I will be disappointed because I keep coming back to your ROMs and you don’t even appreciate that I go through all that trouble and flash your ROMs. A little bit of appreciation will be nice from you people. No, seriously I do appreciate all the time you spend her and then even let people criticize you. If I was you I would just say “MAKE YOUR OWN BLOODY ROMs IF YOU CAN DO a BETTER JOB”.
Laurentius26 said:
Yes... a lot of time goes in cooking\developing rom's and we are offering this ROM's for free here. How would you feel if we stop doing this!
I have no good words for people who are selling our ROM's on Ebay.
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And I do appriciate you flash our ROM's my friend
Thank you!
Regards,
Leo
faraz.riaz said:
I might have to think about that if you stop making ROM how will I feel? I think then I will have no good words for you. Just kidding I guess then I will be disappointed because I keep coming back to your ROMs and you don’t even appreciate that I go through all that trouble and flash your ROMs. A little bit of appreciation will be nice from you people. No, seriously I do appreciate all the time you spend her and then even let people criticize you. If I was you I would just say “MAKE YOUR OWN BLOODY ROMs IF YOU CAN DO a BETTER JOB”.
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Support
Hi Beasty,
I'm behind you guys 100% on this one, if you come up with a way we can all help then let us know. I guess this arse wipe is a member of this group, can we have him or them removed from it to start with. It might not be illegal to sell it on eBay, but it must be some kind of fraud. As a paramedic I am (when given permission) able to use a persons medical history to further my knowledge, but I've no right to sell it in a book on EBAY if you see my point!!!
Kind regards
Jay
THANK YOU
i would be very pissed off too if i'd work my butt off to get nothing some times not even a "thank you" and other motHer%$$·$% is getting the money for my hard-work. if anyone can come up with some good ideas to avoid this type of persons here in this wonderful comunity would be great (maybe get his IP address somehow and ban him/her for good)
i have no words for all you people that spend many hours cooking and developing, hours that maybe your wife, husband or kids would need or deserve but just think about the 1000s of happy faces we have everytime we flash you piece of artworks or all the countless hours we wait for a new ROM to come out or just the big smile we have in our faces everytime the flash is finished and we see the new ROM for the first time. Just think that he/she migth be making a few bucks, but you have the appreciation, respect, knowledge and the love of many (maybe thousands) of people every single day with every new ROM . To all this you may have notice that english is not my maiden language(im from mexico) but i do want to show you my respects, i wish i could donate but in the country i live...life is not easy and all i can do is say...... !!!!!GRACIAS!!!!!!
BEST REGARDS. Erik.
Although I do agree with Beast on this issue - I don't think anyone (other that a Developer) can really comment on it.
Consider, most developers for the Universal have been using my hosting - which I welcome them to do. However, not a single person who has downloaded a ROM from my hosting has donated a cent to me to help pay the hosting cost.
Don't get me wrong - I don't want the developers to pay (they're already contributing a huge amount to the community). But, when was the last time you (being a random forum member) have donated to a developer for their work or to me for my hosting? Truly, unless you have put something back into the community, you are being a hypocrite by posting in this thread!
Anyway, thats my 2 cents (Australian Cents ) on the issue - and I apologise to no one that I may have offended
So Disgusting
This is very disgusting if anyone is doing so........as a members of this community we should really stop this .This forum is for us and we should appriciate our developers for giving us such ROM's........which they develope by contributing their valuable time for us.
I really feel very sad about it.
Hi all,
I have no desire to make money from my work here, or demand donations for anything I contribute, all I request is the common decency from fellow human beings not to ruin this community by exploiting others.
TehPenguin does have a point though, his hosting does cost him money and adds great value to this community, the FTP Server and BugTracker are invaluable (when used correctly) and TehPenguin and this site could really use donations to help them keep running costs down.
TehPenguin said:
Although I do agree with Beast on this issue - I don't think anyone (other that a Developer) can really comment on it.
Consider, most developers for the Universal have been using my hosting - which I welcome them to do. However, not a single person who has downloaded a ROM from my hosting has donated a cent to me to help pay the hosting cost.
Don't get me wrong - I don't want the developers to pay (they're already contributing a huge amount to the community). But, when was the last time you (being a random forum member) have donated to a developer for their work or to me for my hosting? Truly, unless you have put something back into the community, you are being a hypocrite by posting in this thread!
Anyway, thats my 2 cents (Australian Cents ) on the issue - and I apologise to no one that I may have offended
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I feel so ashamed of myself that I have decided not to download any ROM from your domain for one week. Seriously, did people have a bad weekend because everyone seemed to be pissed off? I am disappointed that you called me a hypocrite because I have been accused of this before and I’m anxiously waiting for someone to come up with something new. Everyone whom posted in this thread will have to send a handsome amount of donation to the “hosting dude” starting with Beasty who started this thread. Honestly, I do agree people should pay a little back to help those who are trying to help others. I think even if everyone pays as little as US $1 it will make a huge difference. I am surprised myself people come up with so many ideas how to change the ROM (Whisper: Most of them are lame) and they are more like demanding. I really don’t get why developers put up with that and I told Beasty that why he’s apologetic.
I do agree that we should do a little something to help. So what you need me to do?
TehPenguin said:
Although I do agree with Beast on this issue - I don't think anyone (other that a Developer) can really comment on it.
Consider, most developers for the Universal have been using my hosting - which I welcome them to do. However, not a single person who has downloaded a ROM from my hosting has donated a cent to me to help pay the hosting cost.
Don't get me wrong - I don't want the developers to pay (they're already contributing a huge amount to the community). But, when was the last time you (being a random forum member) have donated to a developer for their work or to me for my hosting? Truly, unless you have put something back into the community, you are being a hypocrite by posting in this thread!
Anyway, thats my 2 cents (Australian Cents ) on the issue - and I apologise to no one that I may have offended
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Why don't you guys make a solution
Hey beast,
Why don't you developer make a credits section in your roms that is listing your names and all your comments.
I'm not a developer, but let me give an idea, why don't you create a program, that makes a watermark comment on the todays screen, which makes it clear to everyone that this rom is free and nmt for sale, and calling everyone that purchase this rom to contact you guys through the xda-developers web site.
it is just an idea, and I'm sure that most of the guys here is supporting you and the other developers for the great work
TehPenguin said:
However, not a single person who has downloaded a ROM from my hosting has donated a cent to me to help pay the hosting cost.
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Ive found the same when i set up htc-devs.com (when the ftp was wiped of m$ files)
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Don't get me wrong - I don't want the developers to pay (they're already contributing a huge amount to the community). But, when was the last time you (being a random forum member) have donated to a developer for their work or to me for my hosting? Truly, unless you have put something back into the community, you are being a hypocrite by posting in this thread!
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I concur, In since i started developing my total donations are barely double digits (<£50) people think that things should be handed to them on a golden platter, and when they are not 100% to thier satisfaction that you shoudl put it right, immediately, but they would never consider donating
my 2p
I am not a developer too..or not considering me in that sort of group,because of the amount of time I spend in this (about 1-2hrs a week).
Just customized a Rom to my needs and I will be glad to share if someone wants it,freely!
Every person needs to find a good balance to Private life and Rom Developement,etc.. If this development is such time consuming,calm down..review your time!
Don't pretend donations (they are always appreciated but not to be Pretended or cast something up)
Development (and programming in general) in this forum are passions that we share together..
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Although I do agree with Beast on this issue - I don't think anyone (other that a Developer) can really comment on it.
Consider, most developers for the Universal have been using my hosting - which I welcome them to do. However, not a single person who has downloaded a ROM from my hosting has donated a cent to me to help pay the hosting cost.
Don't get me wrong - I don't want the developers to pay (they're already contributing a huge amount to the community). But, when was the last time you (being a random forum member) have donated to a developer for their work or to me for my hosting? Truly, unless you have put something back into the community, you are being a hypocrite by posting in this thread!
Anyway, that's my 2 cents (Australian Cents ) on the issue - and I apologise to no one that I may have offended
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I don't think ANYONE is being a hypocrite on this thread, we are just supporting developers who have had their work abused and used by another party. I have the greatest admiration for the clever people who develop the amazing Rom's for our chosen PDA, without them our universals would now be an out of date device. I personally provide files and work to the LIMIT of my own abilities, and any rom I feel worth using, then I donate to the developer. I feel thats what this forum is all about. Yes I am guilty of not supporting ANY host of download sites, and was not aware that this puts you out of pocket till now. without the hosts support to this forum it would be useless but it is not unreasonable for people to express their OWN opinion.
Respectfully
Jay
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I don't think ANYONE is being a hypocrite on this thread, we are just supporting developers who have had their work abused and used by another party. I have the greatest admiration for the clever people who develop the amazing Rom's for our chosen PDA, without them our universals would now be an out of date device. I personally provide files and work to the LIMIT of my own abilities, and any rom I feel worth using, then I donate to the developer. I feel thats what this forum is all about. Yes I am guilty of not supporting ANY host of download sites, and was not aware that this puts you out of pocket till now. without the hosts support to this forum it would be useless but it is not unreasonable for people to express their OWN opinion.
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Jay
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Thats a good point to note as well - Hosting cost me money, but it also costs the people who host this forum money. So, I wonder how many people have noticed the Donate link at the top of this page (near the Wiki link)...
Disagree with Beastie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I totally disagree with Beastie on this matter! If you take a look at the installed software on that Uni it has SPB Finance, Weather and Pocket Plus retailing at 70$ as well as a quite long list of other appz. More than that what we do here isn't fully legal either or at least moral. For example in our ROMs we include software that we do not have a licence or any right to use like MSVoiceCommand, MSOffice, HTC Stuff etc, etc, if you compare this to a PC it would be like buying a PC with Win98 then taking a copy(image) of a friend WinXP(with Office, and other apps) and loading it on your one. Do you thing this is right? And also if someone would do the same and sell this "New" PC complain about it. You develop for your own fun and hobby. If you decided to share something not very moral with others, don't complain when someone does something that is not fully moral by your judgement. Morality or legality of this matter is a subjective matter. And do understand the concept of open source. I'm coming from a Mozilla exdeveloper background. And Mozilla is used in numerous commercial applications with proper credits. You have no right to claim that someone used your work to make money on it, as you are using someone else work in your own interests (name, hobby, any reason). You have your reasons to make just what that guy did for his reasons(in his case money). One thief is judjung another!!! How moral is that??? Of course you do develop your own tools and enchacements, BUT on top of a STOLEN OS!!! Microsoft, HTC,etc invested money and time in their developers, designers, markeing depts. to bring this OS to life, and if they decide they don't want to give it for free it is their choice as a business model. You do not have the right to steal this OS tweak it and claim that it is YOUR and someone should pay you for this. Look a the whole picture not that just some guy used the ROM you dont own but tweaked it and claim it is yours.
PS. Last night i posted my 1st ever ROM on this forum wich is as vanilla as possible(for me), the reasons behind postin it here was exactly that. Anyone can download it and tweak it to his own use, or install new soft one it, new soft keybd, new media player, fast GPS soft etc, etc. I didn't own that OS, I took it of Thingonasping wich took it from someone else. You spend a some time and money in "developing" "your" ROMs, corporations spend billions on that, and someone comes along and steals it. Now that person do not have the need to upgrade his device anymore as "his" new OS will keep him happy for a while. How much damage do you do then to even HTC themselves who didn't sell another unit as their potential customer didn't buy it cos he's got his old device new features(without permision from legal developer).
PS. And how do you know or are so sure that he used "Your" ROM? Maybe he took your kitchen and compiled it, (wich in your view and interpretation), makes it "His" ROM now, isn't it?
I feel sorry for the poor sod who will buy this Universal:
1. As far as legality is concerned, any stolen goods doesn't pass the title of ownership to the buyer. Even though the buyer is unaware of this theft and he/she is innocent, the ownership title doesn't pass to him/her. A case in point about Spb software on the phone, which we are assuming installed on the phone illegally.
2. To add to this the poor sod's nightmare, he/she will be lumbered with Windows Mobile 6 with full of bugs. For sure it won't have video calling.
KOR!
Just curious what everyone's opinion is on this.
When I got my first android phone in 2010, a Samsung Fascinate, it seemed to be a burgeoning scene with the developers doing dev'ing for the fun of it and getting rewarded by an appreciative end user.
Fast forward nine months and I am ready for 4g so I slap down my $600 for a charge and watch a molasses like and seemingly dormant dev scene.
There is excuse after excuse as to why the scene is quiet and then there is wind of an "in development" ICS ROM. This is put forth via twitter and then shows up on XDA not even by the developer mind you and everyone gets excited and is flooding said dev with donations on a ROM he labels "the most unsupported ROM ever" and proceeds to let it sit due to the same reason the phone has not had any real attention all along; no RIL code.
When said dev is called on about putting something out labelled "unsupported" and then has the gall to say donate to me(which the dev or mods remove from the thread) if you want the work finished; is this acceptable behaviour?
I am not an end user who is unappreciative and expecting of a dev's work.
I do play with some of the custom stuff for fun on occasion but always come back to stock.
You can keep the simple petty rhetoric that typically ensues to yourself. I am entitled to my $600 phone and that is what I use. Not anyone's work on the forums or IRC! If I do use anything I will test for problems and report back before jumping back to stock and pass along a gesture of appreciation.
Now that I have hopefully made you understand my intentions and absolve anyone of the typical schoolyard bashing that frequents these hallowed walls, is it acceptable for a dev to whip together a ROM that is useless and collect money on it from all of the hopeful and anticipating end users that will not realize an end product?
Especially now that manufacturers are pumping out new phones at an alarming rate that a new phone will be in the shadows every six months.
Thoughts?
Just allow electronic Darwinism to take its course! If someone is taking the piss, they'll soon die out, if people use common sense and don't encourage them
Most devs that I see, Or rather use ROMS from are quite active and very supportive and NEVER even spoke anything about donation. I was happy to donate for a few of them coz it is really worth it.
I think this opinion you speak of might have been due to your ill luck or some pretty bad devs you have encountered.
I'm not saying you are wrong but I'm saying that your prespective might be due to a unlucky or bad dev (one bad apple) incident.
As far as my phone the Desire Hd is concerned, the developers are still just as helpful and enthusiastic as ever.
There is no developer like a bad or good developer, its because of them 99% of people are using roms without donating, 1 % donates to developers
I know a lot of developer who work on projects for free, but even the developers out there like to drink a beer paid from their projects
-> Donations are welcome!
Well,a developer who makes something for XDA and then actually tries to sell it is a downright asshole.Pardon the word,but it's the most accurate description I can give.
This is a community of developers,for developers to share their work.Users are more like guests,who get to use everything for free and just help developers by pointing out flaws in their work.Users enjoy developers' work and developers make their work better constantly,because they want to.No one forced them or employed them here.But then again,it's only right that we should donate to them sometimes.They donate their free time and put large efforts for what's done here,so it's a fair "exchange".But that's it.Donating is optional,as it should be and as is right.The "developers" who try to sell their work here are in the wrong place.
Generally,the better the work,the more donations they will get,so actually instead of asking for money they could just make something better than what's already available and money will come.
We aren't fools who expect everyone to selflessly give us their work in this world,but for Christ's sake,at least pretend that you're selfless!
Anyway,this is in no way an attack or rant against developers,but rather to those self-called developers who exploit the community spirit for their gains.True developers,as most here are I hope,are more than just respected here.
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Well,a developer who makes something for XDA and then actually tries to sell it is a downright asshole.Pardon the word,but it's the most accurate description I can give.
This is a community of developers,for developers to share their work.Users are more like guests,who get to use everything for free and just help developers by pointing out flaws in their work.Users enjoy developers' work and developers make their work better constantly,because they want to.No one forced them or employed them here.But then again,it's only right that we should donate to them sometimes.They donate their free time and put large efforts for what's done here,so it's a fair "exchange".But that's it.Donating is optional,as it should be and as is right.The "developers" who try to sell their work here are in the wrong place.
Generally,the better the work,the more donations they will get,so actually instead of asking for money they could just make something better than what's already available and money will come.
We aren't fools who expect everyone to selflessly give us their work in this world,but for Christ's sake,at least pretend that you're selfless!
Anyway,this is in no way an attack or rant against developers,but rather to those self-called developers who exploit the community spirit for their gains.True developers,as most here are I hope,are more than just respected here.
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So developers on xda-developers are not allowed to sell software now? There's actually a forum dedicated to paid software, so you're wrong.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=993
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So developers on xda-developers are not allowed to sell software now? There's actually a forum dedicated to paid software, so you're wrong.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=993
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Developers should be able to sell software they created, for example; applications, scripts, hell even mods that don't include any work from someone else. In my opinion this shouldn't include ROMs, why? Because with the possible exception of building completely from source, you are essentially selling modifications of someone else's software. Especially when you include proprietary drivers and software. Touchscreen drivers, camera drivers, audio drivers, radio drivers and the like in many cases are proprietary and licensed to be resold only by the maker of the device. Receiving donations for development is questionable at best, demanding donations for development is basically selling software you don't have rights to sell.
I think one of the reason I've previously seen mods block these sort of attempts is because it creates a legal issue for XDA itself. Plus you have people who donated but developers wanting more and the person who donated feel cheated.
Thankfully I haven't seen a lot of this in the Evo3D forums, I have seen a lot of RESPECT THE GPL immediately after DON'T EVEN LOOK AT MY CODE when half their code is kanged from someone else's hard work. Usually though, people start getting annoyed and those roms start to die off.
Or you have the case with Chad.Goodman, where he writes decent stuff on his own and people get annoyed by that and contact beats & qualcomm all while they release 'beats' mods on their own stuff. (which still doesn't make any sense to me)
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Developers should be able to sell software they created, for example; applications, scripts, hell even mods that don't include any work from someone else. In my opinion this shouldn't include ROMs
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I totally agree with that.
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I totally agree with that.
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As does XDA, hence the rules at present
This is not a platform to make money from. For anyone who cares, I have made a total of £0.00 from XDA. I don't wish to make personal profit from here.
I spend large numbers of hours on the site, doing stuff behind the scenes. If I was to draw up a "bill" for the past year, it would be in the hundreds of thousands of pounds, based on the price I charge for my services.
But I wouldn't ever want to see myself as selling something here. That's not what this site is about! There's plenty of places to sell stuff. If you make your own app, fair enough. If you modify something belonging to someone else, then nope
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Just curious what everyone's opinion is on this.
When I got my first android phone in 2010, a Samsung Fascinate, it seemed to be a burgeoning scene with the developers doing dev'ing for the fun of it and getting rewarded by an appreciative end user.
Fast forward nine months and I am ready for 4g so I slap down my $600 for a charge and watch a molasses like and seemingly dormant dev scene.
There is excuse after excuse as to why the scene is quiet and then there is wind of an "in development" ICS ROM. This is put forth via twitter and then shows up on XDA not even by the developer mind you and everyone gets excited and is flooding said dev with donations on a ROM he labels "the most unsupported ROM ever" and proceeds to let it sit due to the same reason the phone has not had any real attention all along; no RIL code.
When said dev is called on about putting something out labelled "unsupported" and then has the gall to say donate to me(which the dev or mods remove from the thread) if you want the work finished; is this acceptable behaviour?
I am not an end user who is unappreciative and expecting of a dev's work.
I do play with some of the custom stuff for fun on occasion but always come back to stock.
You can keep the simple petty rhetoric that typically ensues to yourself. I am entitled to my $600 phone and that is what I use. Not anyone's work on the forums or IRC! If I do use anything I will test for problems and report back before jumping back to stock and pass along a gesture of appreciation.
Now that I have hopefully made you understand my intentions and absolve anyone of the typical schoolyard bashing that frequents these hallowed walls, is it acceptable for a dev to whip together a ROM that is useless and collect money on it from all of the hopeful and anticipating end users that will not realize an end product?
Especially now that manufacturers are pumping out new phones at an alarming rate that a new phone will be in the shadows every six months.
Thoughts?
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My thoughts? If your main concern was dev scene, why would you get a locked down motorola?
Ok, I have been trolling here for sometime and have seen some devs who ask for donations. However, the vast majority just contribute their time and hard work for the betterment of the platform and the community as a whole.
As for slow development, I think a lot of that has to do with the phone. I have the SGS 2 and there is active development for that with a lot of great roms. My wife has the 4g Slide and the development is slightly slower. It all comes down to the popularity of the phone.
If devs make a product good enough for people to pay for then good for them. On the other hand, if they ask for donations but their software is crap then no one will buy it.
It's a free market, let them try.
It is alot of work and it requires a special skill set to do what devs do, so I can appreciate them asking for a couple bucks for their trouble.
I buy beers/coffee when i see two things..
#1 a good working Rom/ Root / hack /tweak that has a history of upgrades/work/tweaks from the chef.
# 2 the chef is active in the thread, helping others with questions/ issues etc etc..
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=993
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I agree with Cabe24i.See below.
Cabe24i said:
Developers should be able to sell software they created, for example; applications, scripts, hell even mods that don't include any work from someone else. In my opinion this shouldn't include ROMs, why? Because with the possible exception of building completely from source, you are essentially selling modifications of someone else's software. Especially when you include proprietary drivers and software. Touchscreen drivers, camera drivers, audio drivers, radio drivers and the like in many cases are proprietary and licensed to be resold only by the maker of the device. Receiving donations for development is questionable at best, demanding donations for development is basically selling software you don't have rights to sell.
I think one of the reason I've previously seen mods block these sort of attempts is because it creates a legal issue for XDA itself. Plus you have people who donated but developers wanting more and the person who donated feel cheated.
Thankfully I haven't seen a lot of this in the Evo3D forums, I have seen a lot of RESPECT THE GPL immediately after DON'T EVEN LOOK AT MY CODE when half their code is kanged from someone else's hard work. Usually though, people start getting annoyed and those roms start to die off.
Or you have the case with Chad.Goodman, where he writes decent stuff on his own and people get annoyed by that and contact beats & qualcomm all while they release 'beats' mods on their own stuff. (which still doesn't make any sense to me)
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The point isn't whether they are allowed to accept money for their work.They surely should put their creations on sale.And exactly here is where I agree with you.ROMs and kernels aren't their work.As good as someone's modifications can be,it's not new code written by them entirely(except for some patches,etc).While their work is and should be rewarded,it should in no way become mandatory that we pay to use it.It should be optional as it is.It's fair for everyone that way.Those who deserve it will get paid,end of story.
Selling apps on XDA is another story,but it's also completely right to do so,as they could just sell those on the market and be done with it.But it's about applications written anew,not modified ones.Did anyone sell a modified copy of a game?I don't think so.
We should show our appreciation to developers,but they should also show us some respect(I am more than content with what's going on here on the dev side,it's XDA's ungrateful noobs that I'm mad with like most of you here).Fraud is a crime after all.
I can see both sides of that argument actually. Whilst I do think it's unreasonable for a developer to request money for merely tweaking a ROM, it's the same as a painter painting your living room. He's not made you a brand new living room from scratch. He's just painted your existing one. That's similar to a ROM tweaker.
That said, I do understand and abide by the rules - I'm not arguing them. Just playing devil's advocate.
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Not sure if you are asking me. I have a Droid Charge.
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I buy beers/coffee when i see two things..
#1 a good working Rom/ Root / hack /tweak that has a history of upgrades/work/tweaks from the chef.
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This is one of the best posts I have seen on xda. Judging by this, the developer who posted a no effort ROM in a stagnant phone development scene who says donate and does nothing with the ROM is nothing but a modern day P.T. Barnum.
First of all, you don't have to donate
But I agree with OP it's not done to demand donations to finish work.
If your work is good and you support it well, possibilities for a donation are much higher.
But it is no guarantee for donations.
But isn't respect from others the best payment for your work? That's the reason I do my share for the community
Should we pool in for an AOSP ICS build for the skyrocket? Whichever dev comes up with it, gets the cash.
To Developers : PM me and i'll give you the details on how it's going to be ran. I've got a rough draft of a guideline that I think will get a lot of people to donate for the cause.
Update : If I get this up and running, there are going to be some pretty cool, exclusive and interactive things that only backers of this program will experience while the developer works on the roms!
Few facts :
I will not have access to the money raised
If the goal is not met, you will get your money back
The community will choose the winner
Exclusive early access for users who donate
Would that be the first AOSP that works 100% without bugs or the one that is full of little bugs or the one that is delivered half working.
Or maybe the first one that is promised days before it's delivered?
I'd pitch in $5-10 for this. (no idea what a normal contribution would be)
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Should we pool in for an AOSP ICS build for the skyrocket? Whichever dev comes up with it, gets the cash.
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Your to new to know this bountys are frownd upon donations are fine and all but bountys are bad juju
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Would that be the first AOSP that works 100% without bugs or the one that is full of little bugs or the one that is delivered half working.
Or maybe the first one that is promised days before it's delivered?
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Works 100%. Minor bugs are okay. The community will decide which dev will get the lump-sum based on best functionality and fluidity of the AOSP rom
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I'd pitch in $5-10 for this. (no idea what a normal contribution would be)
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That would be great.
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Your to new to know this bountys are frownd upon donations are fine and all but bountys are bad juju
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I'm sorry, I'm having a hard time comprehending you. I'm not new to this board, just never made an account until January. Previous bounties might've gone bad due to bad management. But as long as it's managed properly and have a well thought-out guidelines, I can guarantee it will work.
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Works 100%. Minor bugs are okay. The community will decide which dev will get the lump-sum based on best functionality and fluidity of the AOSP rom
That would be great.
I'm sorry, I'm having a hard time comprehending you. I'm not new to this board, just never made an account until January. Previous bounties might've gone bad due to bad management. But as long as it's managed properly and have a well thought-out guidelines, I can guarantee it will work.
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ok guy if you think your the first evil genius and gods gift to the human mind why rush something that's actively being worked on mostly by a group how about patience I know you noobs are bad with that concept but whatever kid waste your money as you see fit me I'll stick to using my money not on the first but the best
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ok guy if you think your the first evil genius and gods gift to the human mind why rush something that's actively being worked on mostly by a group how about patience I know you noobs are bad with that concept but whatever kid waste your money as you see fit me I'll stick to using my money not on the first but the best
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I'm not saying I'm some genius trying to take over the game. I know it requires quality time to make something perfect and I'm not trying to change that. You do have to agree if there is a great reward in the end, people will try their best to get it. If you're here to shed some negativity, that's your free-will, I'm not here to stop you. As for money being wasted, there will be none. This fundraiser will only generate interest with the developers and boost productivity thus creating the final piece of work in a timely manner. All the proceeds will go to the winning developer and I will not take ANY cut from it. Say what you will, but I'm only trying for the best of the Skyrocket community.
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I'm not saying I'm some genius trying to take over the game. I know it requires quality time to make something perfect and I'm not trying to change that. You do have to agree if there is a great reward in the end, people will try their best to get it. If you're here to shed some negativity, that's your free-will, I'm not here to stop you. As for money being wasted, there will be none. This fundraiser will only generate interest with the developers and boost productivity thus creating the final piece of work in a timely manner. All the proceeds will go to the winning developer and I will not take ANY cut from it. Say what you will, but I'm only trying for the best of the Skyrocket community.
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I'm not trying to shoot you down bro just saying in the past these things have gone bad at one point mods were squashing these before they could start. The problem is that these guys already do this on their own time on top of having familys, scool, jobs, etc. If you really wanna bolster development buy the guys doing this a beer a bounty never improves quality while speeding things up it just speeds things up with a bare minimum quality I know you have provisions and such but still id say find a dev you trust throw a few his way and watch I don't speak from ignorance good sir only from experience
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Good thought!
But I feel like you clearly do not know the purpose or the theme of XDA Community! Most of the devs and themers work on their project part time and do not ask for money its their hobby! And most of the devs hate when they are being asked for ETAS! So Good Luck On Your thought!
appdroid said:
Good thought!
But I feel like you clearly do not know the purpose or the theme of XDA Community! Most of the devs and themers work on their project part time and do not ask for money its their hobby! And most of the devs hate when they are being asked for ETAS! So Good Luck On Your thought!
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Appdroid you sir always pop in at wonderful moments
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appdroid said:
Good thought!
But I feel like you clearly do not know the purpose or the theme of XDA Community! Most of the devs and themers work on their project part time and do not ask for money its their hobby! And most of the devs hate when they are being asked for ETAS! So Good Luck On Your thought!
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I understand this. I understand that they have busy lives and this is something they do on a part time. This will only happen during a short period of time and they will be rewarded for their hard work. I'm only here to try gather the reward for their hard work. It's not everyday that you get paid for something you love doing on your own time. While I understand some devs hate questions regarding ETAs but something in this case, they surely will be rewarded and have fun in the process. I have some very interesting plans for this and only want nothing but the best outcome for the Skyrocket community.
The way I'm going to run this should be a fun experience for people who are donating to this cause!
I have messaged 5 developers about this idea. Depending on their feedback, I will either go forth or scrap the idea altogether. No harm done. I do appreciate nrm5110 and your concerns though.
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I understand this. I understand that they have busy lives and this is something they do on a part time. This will only happen during a short period of time and they will be rewarded for their hard work. I'm only here to try gather the reward for their hard work. It's not everyday that you get paid for something you love doing on your own time. While I understand some devs hate questions regarding ETAs but something in this case, they surely will be rewarded and have fun in the process. I have some very interesting plans for this and only want nothing but the best outcome for the Skyrocket community.
The way I'm going to run this should be a fun experience for people who are donating to this cause!
I have messaged 5 developers about this idea. Depending on their feedback, I will either go forth or scrap the idea altogether. No harm done. I do appreciate nrm5110 and your concerns though.
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I appologize if I insulted you but I just wanted you to be aware man you know what your doing if the devs are cool then by all means
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It's okay. The end goal (I hope) is that we, Skyrocket users, will have a smooth running AOSP ICS build! It's a win-win for both devs and the community!
As long as the community has the same desire for an AOSP build as much as I do then there isn't any doubt that this will work out. You don't know how much I HATE TouchWiz. The hate has been refueled ever since I flashed the leaked ICS build. There's no way out for us ICS users right now.
How about this, just an idea. Get a dev who is willing to make Aosp for Skyrocket and get him a skyrocket! Just like what we did for other two devs! Like t989 ppl got raver a t989 and now he is working on aosp. Let's get a dev from other section!
i also would chip in, but i wouldnt trust someone with 53 posts...sorry, i just need someone with a little more rep, unless you set something up that wouldnt involve you having the money
He was one of the 5 dev I've contacted. Since giving the devs a skyrocket in previous cases (as you have stated) has not really worked, this program will get a final build within a month and a half of time with (hopefully) a bigger payout in the end.
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i also would chip in, but i wouldnt trust someone with 53 posts...sorry, i just need someone with a little more rep, unless you set something up that would involve you having the money
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I will have something set up where I won't have access to the money (no paypal or other shady outlets). I understand your concerns and I already have devised a strategy to give the users who donate confidence that this program is not a scam. Like I've stated before in this thread, participating users who donate will get interactive exclusive access throughout the process. If for some reason that this programs goal is not met, everyone will get their donations back. It's a win-win-win situation. It will be an experience you'd most enjoy! (if it launches)
If you haven't noticed by now, I have started a Skyrocket section over at reddit and manage it with the most up-to-date information about the device (link in my signature). I only care about our community having the best that there is.
Couldn't help but notice you had this posted in your "skyrocket" subreddit...
http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/com...le_to_launch_android_50_jelly_bean_in/c3ruc2t
Now, how are we to trust you again?
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Couldn't help but notice you had this posted in your "skyrocket" subreddit...
http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/com...le_to_launch_android_50_jelly_bean_in/c3ruc2t
Now, how are we to trust you again?
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Everyone is entitled to their opinions. Take it with a grain of salt. That link was an opinion about how a "Forum" system is outdated for advancements in the Android platform. Some threads are bombarded with irrelevant information about the original post that the conversations gets so diluted that it confuses the users.
If I gain interest with the developers I've contacted, I'm pretty sure we can all make this work and will have backers to support the cause.
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Couldn't help but notice you had this posted in your "skyrocket" subreddit...
http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/com...le_to_launch_android_50_jelly_bean_in/c3ruc2t
Now, how are we to trust you again?
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Oh, that's nice! Bashing the whole community, outstanding!
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Everyone is entitled to their opinions. Take it with a grain of salt. That link was an opinion about how a "Forum" system is outdated for advancements in the Android platform. Some threads are bombarded with irrelevant information about the original post that the conversations gets so diluted that it confuses the users.
If I gain interest with the developers I've contacted, I'm pretty sure we can all make this work and will have backers to support the cause.
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Well the poster of that comment clearly doesn't understand what XDA is. It is a community of hobbyists that do this in their spare time. They are free to do it however they please and condemning them for sharing their work that they could very well just keep to themselves is just arrogant and obtuse. If you truly appreciated XDA for what it was then that wouldn't have been there.
You are most definitely right that everyone is entitled to their opinions but if your opinion is that XDA is a 90's style development community then by all means, go elsewhere.
Thats just MY opinion
I am giving away a new S7edge to a developer of my choice to work on and create root/unlock for the snapdragon version.
If you feel you are competent enough to provide root for this device then send me a PM.
If you feel you know a dev that can do it if they had the device in hand then post their name here in this thread or send me a PM. In the end I choose who gets it based on their background. I will pay for shipping, etc for the developer of choice. All I ask is for you to work diligently on this device.
This device is the future of locked, unrootable devices. The sooner we get through this barrier the better for the sake of all future devices. This isn't the end, only the beginning.
There will be no developer bashing in this thread and will have this thread closed immediately if it happens.
Taking one for the team. Thank you.
@jcase @geohot
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Please, if you are going to do this, make sure it goes to a developer with a real track record of finding vulnerabilities and successfully exploiting them. There are not a lot of us, but there are a lot that like to pretend, I've seen threads like this where the same pretender ended up with multiple phones, and was just selling them on swappa immediately then claiming they bricked them.
If you want a review of candidates, I'm more than willing to do so privately with the OP.
If OP runs into an issue with this thread, he can report it or let me know and ill take care of it myself.
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@jcase @geohot
Sent from my SM-G935T using XDA-Developers mobile app
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I have no interest, but thank for the nomination.
@dwitherell @friedrich420
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Please, if you are going to do this, make sure it goes to a developer with a real track record of finding vulnerabilities and successfully exploiting them. There are not a lot of us, but there are a lot that like to pretend, I've seen threads like this where the same pretender ended up with multiple phones, and was just selling them on swappa immediately then claiming they bricked them.
If you want a review of candidates, I'm more than willing to do so privately with the OP.
If OP runs into an issue with this thread, he can report it or let me know and ill take care of it myself.
I have no interest, but thank for the nomination.
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Lol i was really hoping you would consider but I will definitely be calling for your opinion when I collect more names. Its hard to dev for a device that one does not own. I hope some talented XDA members will step forward to the challenge. I really feel it will be a difficult task but I think it's something we all need to work on being this may be the start and future of unrootable devices. I hope they step forward now as they may face the issue in the near future. I appreciate your concern and hope to speak with your on your recommendation in the final decision.
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Please, if you are going to do this, make sure it goes to a developer with a real track record of finding vulnerabilities and successfully exploiting them. There are not a lot of us, but there are a lot that like to pretend, I've seen threads like this where the same pretender ended up with multiple phones, and was just selling them on swappa immediately then claiming they bricked them.
If you want a review of candidates, I'm more than willing to do so privately with the OP.
If OP runs into an issue with this thread, he can report it or let me know and ill take care of it myself.
I have no interest, but thank for the nomination.
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You were actually the first person that came to mind. I can't remember which device I was on that you deved for, but I do remember that you were invaluable to the community. Sorry to hear that you are not interested, but I am sure you already have enough on your plate. Thanks for the reply!
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I am a software developer in Windows. As a devI have to shout out against this self propogating fiscal scam called FunkyHuawei who is making a fortune out of FOSS. Android is Open Source , Free , and COMMUNITY based. As a long time dev the community prides itself on providing innovative solutions for the Free World that allow us to enhance our experience and grow the community. PLEASE do not pay FunkyHuawei for bootloader unlocks (which can be obtained other ways - you just need to spend time like we do figuring it out, learning, and developing your skills). PLEASE do not pay for firmware which should be free anyway. And PLEASE dont install software on your Windows machine using Admin when you do not know what you are installing. You have been warned. Outlets like FunkyHuawei are not community , they are not us. Devs enjoy what they do and if you want to contribute all the better, make a donation. But do not pay the stupid amounts of money to people making a fortune from FOSS
In the meantime, add your voice to those who are protesting with Huawei in the hope that they will rejoin the community and reverse their decision to remove free codes for unlockers like you. Only by adding your voice will you make a difference. Paying guys like FunkyHuawei stupid money like $50 for unlock is stupid ... your just creating a demand when instead we need to engage Huawei.
Thank you
Thumbs up.
People who buy those codes are not doing good to the community, its really a bad style.
Tweetytek said:
I am a software developer in Windows. As a devI have to shout out against this self propogating fiscal scam called FunkyHuawei who is making a fortune out of FOSS. Android is Open Source , Free , and COMMUNITY based. As a long time dev the community prides itself on providing innovative solutions for the Free World that allow us to enhance our experience and grow the community. PLEASE do not pay FunkyHuawei for bootloader unlocks (which can be obtained other ways - you just need to spend time like we do figuring it out, learning, and developing your skills). PLEASE do not pay for firmware which should be free anyway. And PLEASE dont install software on your Windows machine using Admin when you do not know what you are installing. You have been warned. Outlets like FunkyHuawei are not community , they are not us. Devs enjoy what they do and if you want to contribute all the better, make a donation. But do not pay the stupid amounts of money to people making a fortune from FOSS
In the meantime, add your voice to those who are protesting with Huawei in the hope that they will rejoin the community and reverse their decision to remove free codes for unlockers like you. Only by adding your voice will you make a difference. Paying guys like FunkyHuawei stupid money like $50 for unlock is stupid ... your just creating a demand when instead we need to engage Huawei.
Thank you
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I totally agree with you, paying $50 bucks, this is the first time i ever had to pay for the unlocker code, i already used samsung, motorola, xiaomi, none of them charged for the unlock code. For me isn't onle 50 bucks, is RS 200 + charges. I don't feel good spending this money like this, i prefer to donate to some one that really help the community.:good:
Is someone forcing you guys to use their service? I don't get it.
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Is someone forcing you guys to use their service? I don't get it.
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If you see something wrong. Let others know. XDA is a community.
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I prefer to pay XDA-Developers instead of FunkyHuawei. Please help them put some kind of service or some way to get the codes through donations. I would gladly donate
Unfortunately it doesnt work like this. If there is a demand there will be proposal.
I don't think that paying for unlocking Bootloader is right. But at this situation you should better ask Huawei, why did they make this happen?
Huawei is the only one to blame and next time before buying huawei phone, I'd think twice
vandal_ said:
Unfortunately it doesnt work like this. If there is a demand there will be proposal.
I don't think that paying for unlocking Bootloader is right. But at this situation you should better ask Huawei, why did they make this happen?
Huawei is the only one to blame and next time before buying huawei phone, I'd think twice
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Exactly. The timing of this thread is also comical. At this point, even funky huawei cannot provide bootloader keys - at any cost. The bootloader unlock "service" is down/discontinued.
Also, the guy running Funky is an XDA member. (and was before it's existence) I agree that his prices are absurd, but it's not a service anyone else provides nor is it something you have to use - just wait for Huawei to (hopefully) push the update to your phone.
the only thing comical, is your response @Goronok
you clearly are devoid of intelligence and further, you fail to grasp what me and development devs do for fools like you.
SO DO NOT PAY THESE SCAMMERS
join the communuty...stop being comical!!
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the only thing comical, is your response @Goronok
you clearly are devoid of intelligence and further, you fail to grasp what me and development devs do for fools like you.
SO DO NOT PAY THESE SCAMMERS
join the communuty...stop being comical!!
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Clearly. What have you developed? And you consider your time free and never want to be paid for it? Get a grip.
Tweetytek said:
the only thing comical, is your response @Goronok
you clearly are devoid of intelligence and further, you fail to grasp what me and development devs do for fools like you.
SO DO NOT PAY THESE SCAMMERS
join the communuty...stop being comical!!
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Look at this guy, lost all respect for you for this comment. Xda have allowed funky to do what he does. Accept it, Goronok is correct, nobody is forcing you to use funky, if people are stupid using in your eyes, let them be. This has been discussed to death already
No need for your insults
Tweetytek said:
I am a software developer in Windows. As a devI have to shout out against this self propogating fiscal scam called FunkyHuawei who is making a fortune out of FOSS. Android is Open Source , Free , and COMMUNITY based. As a long time dev the community prides itself on providing innovative solutions for the Free World that allow us to enhance our experience and grow the community. PLEASE do not pay FunkyHuawei for bootloader unlocks (which can be obtained other ways - you just need to spend time like we do figuring it out, learning, and developing your skills). PLEASE do not pay for firmware which should be free anyway. And PLEASE dont install software on your Windows machine using Admin when you do not know what you are installing. You have been warned. Outlets like FunkyHuawei are not community , they are not us. Devs enjoy what they do and if you want to contribute all the better, make a donation. But do not pay the stupid amounts of money to people making a fortune from FOSS
In the meantime, add your voice to those who are protesting with Huawei in the hope that they will rejoin the community and reverse their decision to remove free codes for unlockers like you. Only by adding your voice will you make a difference. Paying guys like FunkyHuawei stupid money like $50 for unlock is stupid ... your just creating a demand when instead we need to engage Huawei.
Thank you
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I couldn't agree with this more if i tried. Funkyhuawei is a cancer to this community.
Tweetytek said:
I am a software developer in Windows. As a devI have to shout out against this self propogating fiscal scam called FunkyHuawei who is making a fortune out of FOSS. Android is Open Source , Free , and COMMUNITY based. As a long time dev the community prides itself on providing innovative solutions for the Free World that allow us to enhance our experience and grow the community. PLEASE do not pay FunkyHuawei for bootloader unlocks (which can be obtained other ways - you just need to spend time like we do figuring it out, learning, and developing your skills). PLEASE do not pay for firmware which should be free anyway. And PLEASE dont install software on your Windows machine using Admin when you do not know what you are installing. You have been warned. Outlets like FunkyHuawei are not community , they are not us. Devs enjoy what they do and if you want to contribute all the better, make a donation. But do not pay the stupid amounts of money to people making a fortune from FOSS
In the meantime, add your voice to those who are protesting with Huawei in the hope that they will rejoin the community and reverse their decision to remove free codes for unlockers like you. Only by adding your voice will you make a difference. Paying guys like FunkyHuawei stupid money like $50 for unlock is stupid ... your just creating a demand when instead we need to engage Huawei.
Thank you
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Agreed 100%.
I am sorry to hear it might be considered a cancer. I'm just a user (with only a little amount of understanding) that wants to put Nova Launcher on my EVR-AL00. I guess I'm being a tad selfish.
Tweetytek said:
I am a software developer in Windows. As a devI have to shout out against this self propogating fiscal scam called FunkyHuawei who is making a fortune out of FOSS. Android is Open Source , Free , and COMMUNITY based. As a long time dev the community prides itself on providing innovative solutions for the Free World that allow us to enhance our experience and grow the community. PLEASE do not pay FunkyHuawei for bootloader unlocks (which can be obtained other ways - you just need to spend time like we do figuring it out, learning, and developing your skills). PLEASE do not pay for firmware which should be free anyway. And PLEASE dont install software on your Windows machine using Admin when you do not know what you are installing. You have been warned. Outlets like FunkyHuawei are not community , they are not us. Devs enjoy what they do and if you want to contribute all the better, make a donation. But do not pay the stupid amounts of money to people making a fortune from FOSS
In the meantime, add your voice to those who are protesting with Huawei in the hope that they will rejoin the community and reverse their decision to remove free codes for unlockers like you. Only by adding your voice will you make a difference. Paying guys like FunkyHuawei stupid money like $50 for unlock is stupid ... your just creating a demand when instead we need to engage Huawei.
Thank you
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Thanks for your post brother!!! This is exactly what I have been shouting about in my other post, glad there are people on this earth who have same vision as me! Im suprised the mods did not ban you yet!! they have deleted some of my posts regarding funky! definitely there is some affiliation.
That being said, How can we obtain the codes for a lower price, perhaps even free, as it should be? I refuse to pay these 3d parties, not because of money, but out of principle. I'm a business owner, and even if I had an unlocker in my hands, I would not charge for it, I would release it in the public. Android is open and should stay open. Period.
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Thanks for your post brother!!! This is exactly what I have been shouting about in my other post, glad there are people on this earth who have same vision as me! Im suprised the mods did not ban you yet!! they have deleted some of my posts regarding funky! definitely there is some affiliation.
That being said, How can we obtain the codes for a lower price, perhaps even free, as it should be? I refuse to pay these 3d parties, not because of money, but out of principle. I'm a business owner, and even if I had an unlocker in my hands, I would not charge for it, I would release it in the public. Android is open and should stay open. Period.
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I do not know why XDA would remove some of your posts. I suppose if a post is against their forum policies in some way , i could accept that. But if there is indeed affiliation to paid services without express declaring such, then I would find that most alarming for a forum as huge as XDAdev and it would without doubt proceed to lose integrity and trust. I have not seen any evidence of affilation but that's just me. Objectively, as I say, there's no harm provided there is transparency and members are 100% aware that XDA are affiliated to this individual for whom I have the utmost contempt for becuase he is profiting from what is a FOSS community and doing so on the back of Huwaei corporate decisions which XDA are openly objecting to. Can't have it both ways !!
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I do not know why XDA would remove some of your posts. I suppose if a post is against their forum policies in some way , i could accept that. But if there is indeed affiliation to paid services without express declaring such, then I would find that most alarming for a forum as huge as XDAdev and it would without doubt proceed to lose integrity and trust. I have not seen any evidence of affilation but that's just me. Objectively, as I say, there's no harm provided there is transparency and members are 100% aware that XDA are affiliated to this individual for whom I have the utmost contempt for becuase he is profiting from what is a FOSS community and doing so on the back of Huwaei corporate decisions which XDA are openly objecting to. Can't have it both ways !!
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I posted something like why would you pay for such service in a funky thread, and my post got deleted. From that day I've made a statement in each post I made for the mods to stop deleting my posts. You can read back my older posts. It made me aware that something was going on this forum that was supposed to be free speach to help the open community..
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I am sorry to hear it might be considered a cancer. I'm just a user (with only a little amount of understanding) that wants to put Nova Launcher on my EVR-AL00. I guess I'm being a tad selfish.
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You can do that without the need for FH
freeza said:
You can do that without the need for FH
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I'm sorry mate. Seems beyond me. Tried today, I can't seem to get past the bootloader so. No code. No unlocked phone, So can't remove the APK using adb, right?
Or do I need to find earlier firmware before it was KOd...
This is starting to go into the too hard basket. I'm not in the tech industry.
I think it would be easy enough if I had the unlock code...... If Huawei are no longer giving them out, I mean how do I get it? Does seem to be interesting that the while of China closes down, the codes are no longer available though. I guess it points toward that it is more of a Guanxi thing than a coding thing, so...
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You can do that without the need for FH
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I am an idiot.
I did not need unlock. My problem was my dodgy work PC....... I have always used it, mostly successfully. Your name though, signifies being correct. So I went onto my MAc and tried again. OMG. It worked
I am now running NOVA sans the launcher.
Oh - I am so sorry for annoying people here.
On the plus side, I have saved my self coin once the CNY is over and unlock codes are being sold again.
sigh... I posted in multiple comments too. I guess I need to go apologiZe and edit in those ones too.
Thank you, Freeza,