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My brother and I came up with this idea to bribe devs into making cool little ideas we come up with. We "pledge" money to an idea and then when a working product is reviewed, the dev claims the bounty. pretty simple idea.
you can read more here http://tinyurl.com/aa5mgd
the idea it not fully fleshed out and we are trying to improve upon it. so please i would like to hear anyones thoughts on this. criticism is welcome
I'd say a pledge isn't going to do squat (check's in the mail) :/
Now if you were to have people donate $$ to a dedicated per app paypal account I think you've got something.
Another problem you might have is you need a dev with mad knowledge of android and the hardware of the G1 to tell if said app can even become a reality.
Just my 2 cents, I'm no dev but people aren't good at keeping promises over the internet...Dam u stacy29582..lol
Seems interesting enough. I'd do it if the right app came along.
Yes, we plan on setting up a dedicated paypal account soon. I am just using my personal one for now. For this first idea I guarantee the pledge will be paid in full.
oh cool, so the cash will exist during the time of the builds. I was a bit confused. I thought you were thinking more like a grade school jog-a-thon, where once the app 'has' been created you'd have to go around and try to get money out of all the folks that claimed they'd pledge.
Thanks for the feedback. A couple people responded and it looks like the first app idea might happen. We got a few other pledges as well. Just need to wait and see if any support builds up around the idea.
I hope the bounty idea itself will take off. Every day I wish some specific app existed and I'd be willing to pay for it to be developed. I don't know if other people think that way though. Seems everyone just wants stuff for free.
np, tho take my feedback with a grain of salt as I don't know much about development... hopefully your getting more 'developer' feedback elsewhere, Wish ya the best of luck with this
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well we did root the phone.... we are used to free apps.... yea it sucks for developers i'll give you that. Nothings wrong with free, but people are to used to things being "free" nowadays
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well we did root the phone.... we are used to free apps.... yea it sucks for developers i'll give you that. Nothings wrong with free, but people are to used to things being "free" nowadays
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Yup look at JFs releases. They are "free" but several people have donated, including myself, to thank him for his work and encourage him to keep going.
Thats all we aim to do. Encourage devs to code ideas and then reward them for their hard work.
good idea, but as soon as paid apps get going properly and all the (hopefully) decent apps start arriving, i don't think this will be needed
Hello Guys,
My name is John, I recently became the social media analyst at Samsung mobile. I wanted to start opening the lines of communication between XDA and Samsung. First I wanted to say I have noticed your work on our devices on the XDA forums. I think you guys do an outstanding job, I myself am a developer for mobile devices. So let’s get down to business, we’re going to be in Austin from March 10-15 for the SXSW(south by southwest http://sxsw.com/convention). I was wondering if any of you guys are going so that we could meet up and share a couple of ideas I have. I am looking forward to meeting some of you GREAT developers!
Thanks in advance,
John
Social Media Analyst
Samsung Mobile USA
Twitter: @SamsungJohn
Is this for real? Please provide some proof you work for samsung.
Sooooo...what's the hold up with Froyo, John?
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Sooooo...what's the hold up with Froyo, John?
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I honestly hope you are authentic. It is about time that the people who make the phones embrace the superior developmental process.
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I honestly hope you are authentic. It is about time that the people who make the phones embrace the superior developmental process.
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Or at least attempt to embrace some kind of something. That'd be a start for Samsung.
Sounds like BS advertising to get people in seats at this event.
Interesting...go through his previous posts once, not exactly his first time posting on the forums...
So let’s get down to business, we’re going to be in Austin from March 10-15 for the SXSW(south by southwest http://sxsw.com/convention).
The link doesn't work....
Troll.....
Yeah, sounds troll to me, but it will be nice for them to show here...and learn a bit of how things are done
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Real
Yes I am the real deal, I am a developer/social media analyst. I don't mind taking a picture of my badge or something to prove my credibility.
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Yes I am the real deal, I am a developer/social media analyst. I don't mind taking a picture of my badge or something to prove my credibility.
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I think he's legit, folks.
If you are indeed an analyst for Samsung, welcome to XDA. I'm sure you've already noticed by now that there is a lot of cynicism both for Samsung and your claim of being an employee. Simple reason for this is that most everyone here feels that Samsung has ignored their pleas for help, didn’t deliver promised upgrades, and left millions of Galaxy S owners with buggy software/hardware, etc.
If your goal is to reach out to Samsung users at the grassroots level, you're in the right place. However, you also have a tough job ahead of you. The disenfranchisement runs deep and it will take a lot of effort to fix.
Here are some suggestions for you to escalate internally within Samsung:
1. Support the development efforts of the XDA developers. There are many talented people working quite hard to customize, fix and generally improve Samsung firmware. Samsung should make some effort to provide these developers with source code, tools, and help.
2. Take an honest and upfront approach to product defects that find their way onto store shelves (e.g. GPS, battery, etc). I guarantee the cost of addressing the problem will be fully offset by the shift in customer loyalty. An unreliable product is perceived many times worse if the OEM denies or ignores the issues.
3. Set a release schedule with carrier partners and stick to it. Apple has set the benchmark for frequent over the wire software updates. Android applications are updated with fixes and improvements on a regular basis. In stark contrast, our firmware lags far behind Google’s releases and FOTA is failing more than it’s working. This has to change. Samsung needs to push out regular firmware updates that are applied seamlessly without loss of data. Forget FOTA and do it like Apple does OTW (over the wire).
4. Allow users the option of switching to AOSP. Some people like TouchWiz and some don’t. Give them the choice.
BTW, in addition to being an informed consumer, I work in the mobile industry. I know a fair amount about how it should work. The Samsung Galaxy product suite is performing very well but the real question is how long will it last. Loyalty takes effort to maintain and is easy to lose.
P.S. I may very well be at SXSW but I won’t know for sure until a week or so beforehand.
I understand I have a lot of work ahead of me. As I said before, Im here to establish a partnership with XDA developers. Inbox me to let me know if your going to be there so i can arrange somewhere to meet.
If he was legit, one of the Admins would be announcing that SamsungJohn is a rep from Samsung; he wouldn't be doing it himself as a post in the forum.
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If he was legit, one of the Admins would be announcing that SamsungJohn is a rep from Samsung; he wouldn't be doing it himself as a post in the forum.
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^^^^^^ that's a good point!
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I understand I have a lot of work ahead of me. As I said before, Im here to establish a partnership with XDA developers. Inbox me to let me know if your going to be there so i can arrange somewhere to meet.
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If you are in fact telling the truth, I warmly welcome you to the true birthplace of the galaxy s.
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If he was legit, one of the Admins would be announcing that SamsungJohn is a rep from Samsung; he wouldn't be doing it himself as a post in the forum.
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Why? There's quite a bit of speculation in your claim--why would he have to go through admins to post here?
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Why? There's quite a bit of speculation in your claim--why would he have to go through admins to post here?
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You would think that someone who is in the position he claims to be in, would come in a little more professional than just a random post.
He said he has been lurking the forums and likes what he sees. So he has also seen all the dissapointment that is running through these forums as well.
If you were in his position would you not want to come in here, with support and proof of who you are? (there is multiple threads of the same post in other categories, all have been asking for proof for hours)
I'm not saying hes not who he says he is, just think he could have introduced himself a little better.
Guys, do a little research. Pretty easy to figure out that he is either very thorough or he's actually legit.
Maybe we should tell him that it is a welcome first step to see him here.
He is an analyst so he's going to have to escalate pretty far up the food chain to be effective. Hope you're a good communicator John.
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Should we pool in for an AOSP ICS build for the skyrocket? Whichever dev comes up with it, gets the cash.
To Developers : PM me and i'll give you the details on how it's going to be ran. I've got a rough draft of a guideline that I think will get a lot of people to donate for the cause.
Update : If I get this up and running, there are going to be some pretty cool, exclusive and interactive things that only backers of this program will experience while the developer works on the roms!
Few facts :
I will not have access to the money raised
If the goal is not met, you will get your money back
The community will choose the winner
Exclusive early access for users who donate
Would that be the first AOSP that works 100% without bugs or the one that is full of little bugs or the one that is delivered half working.
Or maybe the first one that is promised days before it's delivered?
I'd pitch in $5-10 for this. (no idea what a normal contribution would be)
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Should we pool in for an AOSP ICS build for the skyrocket? Whichever dev comes up with it, gets the cash.
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Your to new to know this bountys are frownd upon donations are fine and all but bountys are bad juju
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Would that be the first AOSP that works 100% without bugs or the one that is full of little bugs or the one that is delivered half working.
Or maybe the first one that is promised days before it's delivered?
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Works 100%. Minor bugs are okay. The community will decide which dev will get the lump-sum based on best functionality and fluidity of the AOSP rom
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I'd pitch in $5-10 for this. (no idea what a normal contribution would be)
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That would be great.
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Your to new to know this bountys are frownd upon donations are fine and all but bountys are bad juju
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I'm sorry, I'm having a hard time comprehending you. I'm not new to this board, just never made an account until January. Previous bounties might've gone bad due to bad management. But as long as it's managed properly and have a well thought-out guidelines, I can guarantee it will work.
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Works 100%. Minor bugs are okay. The community will decide which dev will get the lump-sum based on best functionality and fluidity of the AOSP rom
That would be great.
I'm sorry, I'm having a hard time comprehending you. I'm not new to this board, just never made an account until January. Previous bounties might've gone bad due to bad management. But as long as it's managed properly and have a well thought-out guidelines, I can guarantee it will work.
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ok guy if you think your the first evil genius and gods gift to the human mind why rush something that's actively being worked on mostly by a group how about patience I know you noobs are bad with that concept but whatever kid waste your money as you see fit me I'll stick to using my money not on the first but the best
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ok guy if you think your the first evil genius and gods gift to the human mind why rush something that's actively being worked on mostly by a group how about patience I know you noobs are bad with that concept but whatever kid waste your money as you see fit me I'll stick to using my money not on the first but the best
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I'm not saying I'm some genius trying to take over the game. I know it requires quality time to make something perfect and I'm not trying to change that. You do have to agree if there is a great reward in the end, people will try their best to get it. If you're here to shed some negativity, that's your free-will, I'm not here to stop you. As for money being wasted, there will be none. This fundraiser will only generate interest with the developers and boost productivity thus creating the final piece of work in a timely manner. All the proceeds will go to the winning developer and I will not take ANY cut from it. Say what you will, but I'm only trying for the best of the Skyrocket community.
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I'm not saying I'm some genius trying to take over the game. I know it requires quality time to make something perfect and I'm not trying to change that. You do have to agree if there is a great reward in the end, people will try their best to get it. If you're here to shed some negativity, that's your free-will, I'm not here to stop you. As for money being wasted, there will be none. This fundraiser will only generate interest with the developers and boost productivity thus creating the final piece of work in a timely manner. All the proceeds will go to the winning developer and I will not take ANY cut from it. Say what you will, but I'm only trying for the best of the Skyrocket community.
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I'm not trying to shoot you down bro just saying in the past these things have gone bad at one point mods were squashing these before they could start. The problem is that these guys already do this on their own time on top of having familys, scool, jobs, etc. If you really wanna bolster development buy the guys doing this a beer a bounty never improves quality while speeding things up it just speeds things up with a bare minimum quality I know you have provisions and such but still id say find a dev you trust throw a few his way and watch I don't speak from ignorance good sir only from experience
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Good thought!
But I feel like you clearly do not know the purpose or the theme of XDA Community! Most of the devs and themers work on their project part time and do not ask for money its their hobby! And most of the devs hate when they are being asked for ETAS! So Good Luck On Your thought!
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Good thought!
But I feel like you clearly do not know the purpose or the theme of XDA Community! Most of the devs and themers work on their project part time and do not ask for money its their hobby! And most of the devs hate when they are being asked for ETAS! So Good Luck On Your thought!
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Appdroid you sir always pop in at wonderful moments
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appdroid said:
Good thought!
But I feel like you clearly do not know the purpose or the theme of XDA Community! Most of the devs and themers work on their project part time and do not ask for money its their hobby! And most of the devs hate when they are being asked for ETAS! So Good Luck On Your thought!
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I understand this. I understand that they have busy lives and this is something they do on a part time. This will only happen during a short period of time and they will be rewarded for their hard work. I'm only here to try gather the reward for their hard work. It's not everyday that you get paid for something you love doing on your own time. While I understand some devs hate questions regarding ETAs but something in this case, they surely will be rewarded and have fun in the process. I have some very interesting plans for this and only want nothing but the best outcome for the Skyrocket community.
The way I'm going to run this should be a fun experience for people who are donating to this cause!
I have messaged 5 developers about this idea. Depending on their feedback, I will either go forth or scrap the idea altogether. No harm done. I do appreciate nrm5110 and your concerns though.
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I understand this. I understand that they have busy lives and this is something they do on a part time. This will only happen during a short period of time and they will be rewarded for their hard work. I'm only here to try gather the reward for their hard work. It's not everyday that you get paid for something you love doing on your own time. While I understand some devs hate questions regarding ETAs but something in this case, they surely will be rewarded and have fun in the process. I have some very interesting plans for this and only want nothing but the best outcome for the Skyrocket community.
The way I'm going to run this should be a fun experience for people who are donating to this cause!
I have messaged 5 developers about this idea. Depending on their feedback, I will either go forth or scrap the idea altogether. No harm done. I do appreciate nrm5110 and your concerns though.
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I appologize if I insulted you but I just wanted you to be aware man you know what your doing if the devs are cool then by all means
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It's okay. The end goal (I hope) is that we, Skyrocket users, will have a smooth running AOSP ICS build! It's a win-win for both devs and the community!
As long as the community has the same desire for an AOSP build as much as I do then there isn't any doubt that this will work out. You don't know how much I HATE TouchWiz. The hate has been refueled ever since I flashed the leaked ICS build. There's no way out for us ICS users right now.
How about this, just an idea. Get a dev who is willing to make Aosp for Skyrocket and get him a skyrocket! Just like what we did for other two devs! Like t989 ppl got raver a t989 and now he is working on aosp. Let's get a dev from other section!
i also would chip in, but i wouldnt trust someone with 53 posts...sorry, i just need someone with a little more rep, unless you set something up that wouldnt involve you having the money
He was one of the 5 dev I've contacted. Since giving the devs a skyrocket in previous cases (as you have stated) has not really worked, this program will get a final build within a month and a half of time with (hopefully) a bigger payout in the end.
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i also would chip in, but i wouldnt trust someone with 53 posts...sorry, i just need someone with a little more rep, unless you set something up that would involve you having the money
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I will have something set up where I won't have access to the money (no paypal or other shady outlets). I understand your concerns and I already have devised a strategy to give the users who donate confidence that this program is not a scam. Like I've stated before in this thread, participating users who donate will get interactive exclusive access throughout the process. If for some reason that this programs goal is not met, everyone will get their donations back. It's a win-win-win situation. It will be an experience you'd most enjoy! (if it launches)
If you haven't noticed by now, I have started a Skyrocket section over at reddit and manage it with the most up-to-date information about the device (link in my signature). I only care about our community having the best that there is.
Couldn't help but notice you had this posted in your "skyrocket" subreddit...
http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/com...le_to_launch_android_50_jelly_bean_in/c3ruc2t
Now, how are we to trust you again?
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Couldn't help but notice you had this posted in your "skyrocket" subreddit...
http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/com...le_to_launch_android_50_jelly_bean_in/c3ruc2t
Now, how are we to trust you again?
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Everyone is entitled to their opinions. Take it with a grain of salt. That link was an opinion about how a "Forum" system is outdated for advancements in the Android platform. Some threads are bombarded with irrelevant information about the original post that the conversations gets so diluted that it confuses the users.
If I gain interest with the developers I've contacted, I'm pretty sure we can all make this work and will have backers to support the cause.
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Couldn't help but notice you had this posted in your "skyrocket" subreddit...
http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/com...le_to_launch_android_50_jelly_bean_in/c3ruc2t
Now, how are we to trust you again?
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Oh, that's nice! Bashing the whole community, outstanding!
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Everyone is entitled to their opinions. Take it with a grain of salt. That link was an opinion about how a "Forum" system is outdated for advancements in the Android platform. Some threads are bombarded with irrelevant information about the original post that the conversations gets so diluted that it confuses the users.
If I gain interest with the developers I've contacted, I'm pretty sure we can all make this work and will have backers to support the cause.
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Well the poster of that comment clearly doesn't understand what XDA is. It is a community of hobbyists that do this in their spare time. They are free to do it however they please and condemning them for sharing their work that they could very well just keep to themselves is just arrogant and obtuse. If you truly appreciated XDA for what it was then that wouldn't have been there.
You are most definitely right that everyone is entitled to their opinions but if your opinion is that XDA is a 90's style development community then by all means, go elsewhere.
Thats just MY opinion
This thread is OT. It is a place for the freedom of speech.
I believe that XDA needs such a place more than ever.
Here you can discuss and share your opinion about ANY matter. No censorship here, as long as you follow the standard rules of conduct you are also using in the real world. You can share your opinion, even if some won’t agree/won’t like it, as long as you are still polite in the way you express yourself.
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As a starter i want to bring up a topic that does bother many of you too for sure. It’s about that XDA is becoming a place where people come to make money more and more. One thing that concerns me most of all at the moment is the current S-OFF situation of several devices.
This text here was made by me and @neniick and it represents our opinion about something, that could not have been discussed anywhere for a long time now, although it’s a topic up-to-the-minute.
We dont want to disrespect jcase or beaups or any dev for that matter, we all know they put hours of work into these exploits to get it working and make it user friendly.
BUT they sell their product, and they ask a way too high amount for it. We get that they need to buy phones and tools for these exploits, their website/ hosting costs etc, but think about it, if only 1000 people use sunshine, they get $25000(!). Thats just insane. Also, this is not xda sharing anymore, this is pure business. Business because they can. Because they are the only ones able to do this.
And for us, the argument that their work is of a “higher” quality than the work/contributions of others is invalid in our opinion. We believe in SHARING. Everyone gives the community what he is CAPABLE of. There is NO need to distinguish the “deliverables”. Every dev/modder/whatever contributes time in his own way. BUT NO ONE charges anything for it. You can donate if you want to of course, but no one is allowed to CHARGE something. It just doesn’t match the spirit of XDA. Something that was possible only some time ago, is now not “possible” anymore to be shared for free… C’mon.
We really think xda is going down the way things are going right now. We would not use sunshine s-off, since it goes just against what XDA stands for (or at least once did), and that should not be supported. People are abusing their monopoly. It's about making money. Not about helping/doing it for the community anymore, don't even mention "sharing". Of course nobody owes anything to anyone here.
But that's exactly the point. They don't owe us s-off, but also, they should not be allowed to sell it here. There are xda rules applying to everyone, no matter what they do/share here. No matter if you are a simple member or a mega-dev/mega-ultra-mod.
But mysteriously, with sunshine it gets tolerated. Remember revone/moonshine/rumrunner s-off solutions? They were all free. You could donate if you wanted to show your appreciation. But what happens now is monopolization. And greed. And we don't think this is fair. And we won't support it. This is simple abuse of "market position". Also we won’t just shut up about it.
That you can't say anything about/against it anymore without being attacked/censored/etc. anymore... It proves everything we said. We most likely will get nearly banned for this statement now and these open words. And that's exactly what should make us start thinking people. We need to start a discussion here.
We won't go s-off this way. We just can't stand this behaviour anymore. And we think many of you guys are thinking the same way.
We should set an example against capitalism on xda. Capitalism that does not even try to hide anymore.
Now we would really like to hear about the opinions of you guys
Seriously, you opened a thread to basically cry about 25˘$?
I hope @jcase or @beaups raise it to 30$ just to piss you off :laugh:
I don't believe he was crying while typing his opinion. You don't need to worry, he doesn't seem depressed.
I think they have all the right in the world to sell their product for the price they want. Just not in XDA, because those have been the rules for as long as I am a member and I remember some devs from HD2 being expelled from here for similar reasons.
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Seriously, you opened a thread to basically cry about 25˘$?
I hope @jcase or @beaups raise it to 30$ just to piss you off [emoji23]
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If you would have read the statement closely, you would have realized that it's not about the amount. They can charge 100$ if they want to. But not on XDA then. This is my opinion.
Edit: Also this thread is not only meant to cry about s-off. It should be a space where your opinion has a right to stay. So please, either discuss with us or don't. But it's not about provoke here.
I am going to happily pay mu $25 when the M9 exploit is out, they could easily sit on whatever exploit they have had to basically make public (indirectly) and those exploits could themselves be worth thousands.
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I am going to happily pay mu $25 when the M9 exploit is out, they could easily sit on whatever exploit they have had to basically make public (indirectly) and those exploits could themselves be worth thousands.
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I get your point. But don't you think XDA should not furnish the advertising space for a profit-orientated organization? I have seen devs get banned for less...
Here on XDA i'd like to see voluntarily shared stuff.
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Seriously, you opened a thread to basically cry about 25˘$?
I hope @jcase or @beaups raise it to 30$ just to piss you off :laugh:
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its not only about the price. its also about that they have a monopoly position on s-off atm and that they have a certain status on xda which puts them in a position where they can do/ask whatever they want. and yes of course there would be a lot less people having problems with this if the price was a bit lower.
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I get your point. But don't you think XDA should not furnish the advertising space for a profit-orientated organization? I have seen devs get banned for less...
Here on XDA i'd like to see voluntarily shared stuff.
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What type of software would you expect to see discussed/promoted/advertised in the "Paid Software Announcement and Discussion" forum?
--beaups
herwegan said:
This thread is OT. It is a place for the freedom of speech.
I believe that XDA needs such a place more than ever.
Here you can discuss and share your opinion about ANY matter. No censorship here, as long as you follow the standard rules of conduct you are also using in the real world. You can share your opinion, even if some won’t agree/won’t like it, as long as you are still polite in the way you express yourself.
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As a starter i want to bring up a topic that does bother many of you too for sure. It’s about that XDA is becoming a place where people come to make money more and more. One thing that concerns me most of all at the moment is the current S-OFF situation of several devices.
This text here was made by me and @neniick and it represents our opinion about something, that could not have been discussed anywhere for a long time now, although it’s a topic up-to-the-minute.
We dont want to disrespect jcase or beaups or any dev for that matter, we all know they put hours of work into these exploits to get it working and make it user friendly.
BUT they sell their product, and they ask a way too high amount for it. We get that they need to buy phones and tools for these exploits, their website/ hosting costs etc, but think about it, if only 1000 people use sunshine, they get $25000(!). Thats just insane. Also, this is not xda sharing anymore, this is pure business. Business because they can. Because they are the only ones able to do this.
And for us, the argument that their work is of a “higher” quality than the work/contributions of others is invalid in our opinion. We believe in SHARING. Everyone gives the community what he is CAPABLE of. There is NO need to distinguish the “deliverables”. Every dev/modder/whatever contributes time in his own way. BUT NO ONE charges anything for it. You can donate if you want to of course, but no one is allowed to CHARGE something. It just doesn’t match the spirit of XDA. Something that was possible only some time ago, is now not “possible” anymore to be shared for free… C’mon.
We really think xda is going down the way things are going right now. We would not use sunshine s-off, since it goes just against what XDA stands for (or at least once did), and that should not be supported. People are abusing their monopoly. It's about making money. Not about helping/doing it for the community anymore, don't even mention "sharing". Of course nobody owes anything to anyone here.
But that's exactly the point. They don't owe us s-off, but also, they should not be allowed to sell it here. There are xda rules applying to everyone, no matter what they do/share here. No matter if you are a simple member or a mega-dev/mega-ultra-mod.
But mysteriously, with sunshine it gets tolerated. Remember revone/moonshine/rumrunner s-off solutions? They were all free. You could donate if you wanted to show your appreciation. But what happens now is monopolization. And greed. And we don't think this is fair. And we won't support it. This is simple abuse of "market position". Also we won’t just shut up about it.
That you can't say anything about/against it anymore without being attacked/censored/etc. anymore... It proves everything we said. We most likely will get nearly banned for this statement now and these open words. And that's exactly what should make us start thinking people. We need to start a discussion here.
We won't go s-off this way. We just can't stand this behaviour anymore. And we think many of you guys are thinking the same way.
We should set an example against capitalism on xda. Capitalism that does not even try to hide anymore.
Now we would really like to hear about the opinions of you guys
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I think the topic misses the real purpose of this thread, this thread is not about off topic, it should have been about the fact that people use the xda community to make money.
The whole idea of xda was allowing developers to express themselves and contribute to the community, by volunteering to do so. This drew a lot of people with variaty of skills and knowledge to contribute as well with reviews, opinions and more. The community would then donate to the contributors who invest large amount of their free time to encourage them to continue.
That's what made xda successful.
The case with the s-off is just non-sense, the developers of sunshine, with the skills they have, used the contributors and knowledge of xda to make profit for themselves, this is pure selfishness. They were not only benefited from xda, they even included some of chainfire's work in their product, the supersu.
The most annoying thing is that some of the community think they deserve it, well, imagine how the other contributors who have their work for free must feel, they must have been expecting to benefit from the other contributors' work as well, the feeling must be unfair.
I ask the managers of xda to think about it, and disallow profit making at xda, except for donations of course, which is common at many other forums and crucial for the community to keep growing.
Yep.
For what was created that section if not for paid software?
C'mon guys
beaups said:
What type of software would you expect to see discussed/promoted/advertised in the "Paid Software Announcement and Discussion" forum?
--beaups
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Yep.
For what was created that section if not for paid software?
C'mon guys
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It's the place/paid section itself that should not exist imo. If your argument was valid, every single contributor could just post his work there in this section and charge something for it.. Imagine what the XDA community would become then... We don't want that. And the point is: the other contributors don't have their threads in this sections. We want to stop this movement and come back to the XDA spirit. Sharing. Voluntary. And if you don't feel like sharing, just don't. But let's not make XDA a place of profit.
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It's the place/paid section itself that should not exist imo. If your argument was valid, every single contributor could just post his work there in this section and charge something for it.. Imagine what the XDA community would become then... We don't want that. And the point is: the other contributors don't have their threads in this sections. We want to stop this movement and come back to the XDA spirit. Sharing. Voluntary. And if you don't feel like sharing, just don't. But let's not make XDA a place of profit.
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Yes SHARING
And some clever guys that make money from the work of devs like @beaups and @jcase repacking their software and making money out of it. (It was happened in the past with their software).
cyrusct82 said:
Yes SHARING
And some clever guys that make money from the work of devs like @beaups and @jcase repacking their software and making money out of it. (It was happened in the past with their software).
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I'm fine with paying for s-off, even 25$ or whatever they ask for it. Also fine with them making a profit out of this if that's the case.
Problem I have with it is why is it 25? Because that's a pretty high price for something that could be achieved by free software in the past.
Maybe beaups or jcase would be so kind to shed some light on the costs/time/etc they put into this? so that us users can better understand what it takes to develop this.
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I'm fine with paying for s-off, even 25$ or whatever they ask for it. Also fine with them making a profit out of this if that's the case.
Problem I have with it is why is it 25? Because that's a pretty high price for something that could be achieved by free software in the past.
Maybe beaups or jcase would be so kind to shed some light on the costs/time/etc they put into this? so that us users can better understand what it takes to develop this.
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Why does the price needs to be discussed?
HTC didn't discuss with me before asking a hefty 769 euros for the M9 in my country?/
If I believe that any price is worthy for what it gives me, I will buy the service or product, if not, I wont.
It doesn't get more simple than that.
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I think the topic misses the real purpose of this thread, this thread is not about off topic, it should have been about the fact that people use the xda community to make money.
The whole idea of xda was allowing developers to express themselves and contribute to the community, by volunteering to do so. This drew a lot of people with variaty of skills and knowledge to contribute as well with reviews, opinions and more. The community would then donate to the contributors who invest large amount of their free time to encourage them to continue.
That's what made xda successful.
The case with the s-off is just non-sense, the developers of sunshine, with the skills they have, used the contributors and knowledge of xda to make profit for themselves, this is pure selfishness. They were not only benefited from xda, they even included some of chainfire's work in their product, the supersu.
The most annoying thing is that some of the community think they deserve it, well, imagine how the other contributors who have their work for free must feel, they must have been expecting to benefit from the other contributors' work as well, the feeling must be unfair.
I ask the managers of xda to think about it, and disallow profit making at xda, except for donations of course, which is common at many other forums and crucial for the community to keep growing.
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This seems weird coming from a user of 4 days on XDA.
Care to shed some light on this? Was there a previous account you were using and if so why aren't you using it at present?
neniick said:
I'm fine with paying for s-off, even 25$ or whatever they ask for it. Also fine with them making a profit out of this if that's the case.
Problem I have with it is why is it 25? Because that's a pretty high price for something that could be achieved by free software in the past.
Maybe beaups or jcase would be so kind to shed some light on the costs/time/etc they put into this? so that us users can better understand what it takes to develop this.
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We've shared some of our costs and time investments dozens of times and frankly, we shouldn't have to. Most of that free software in the past you referenced was also developed by some of the same people behind SunShine (myself included).
--beaups
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I think the topic misses the real purpose of this thread, this thread is not about off topic, it should have been about the fact that people use the xda community to make money.
The whole idea of xda was allowing developers to express themselves and contribute to the community, by volunteering to do so. This drew a lot of people with variaty of skills and knowledge to contribute as well with reviews, opinions and more. The community would then donate to the contributors who invest large amount of their free time to encourage them to continue.
That's what made xda successful.
The case with the s-off is just non-sense, the developers of sunshine, with the skills they have, used the contributors and knowledge of xda to make profit for themselves, this is pure selfishness. They were not only benefited from xda, they even included some of chainfire's work in their product, the supersu.
The most annoying thing is that some of the community think they deserve it, well, imagine how the other contributors who have their work for free must feel, they must have been expecting to benefit from the other contributors' work as well, the feeling must be unfair.
I ask the managers of xda to think about it, and disallow profit making at xda, except for donations of course, which is common at many other forums and crucial for the community to keep growing.
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Get your facts straight.
1.) We used no "contributors and knowledge of xda to make" profit. We developed SunShine with our own research and nothing to do with XDA.
2.) We don't include SuperSU with SunShine, or any other work from CF.
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Seriously, you opened a thread to basically cry about 25˘$?
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its XDA since did we lose the right to open threads? in the most general areas non the less
may I remind you that it's 25$ per device. how many times do you exchange your device? whether for warranty, a weaker chip set or maybe for desiring a different color, everytime you do so, in order to have full firmware flashing functionality you will need to repay the amount, if your family members bought a bad import and you need to do them a favor, well you guess it you have to pay it again
the reason why HTC owners want s-off so bad, is that a vital part of the flashing functionality are linked to s-off, such as modem firmware or downgrade
more importantly SO many countries still faill to support paypal
now let's talk about fairplay, how many kernel devs out there; who sweat under our daily cries; provide their kernels exclusively for money? and i can go on about every single soul sweating time and blood for contributing in this community
alas clap blindly
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2.) We don't include SuperSU with SunShine, or any other work from CF.
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Yawn, I have permission to distributing SuperSU if I wish to.
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I asked for it explicitly because I know someone would try to accuse me of stealing his work at somepoint, didn't think it would be someone on XDA but w/e.
ChainFire is one of the few "internet people" I've met. Great guy, living in a beautiful country.
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I think they have all the right in the world to sell their product for the price they want. Just not in XDA
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this wasnt this always the rule? why bend it now?
now punish us for saying our opinion
Cm 13 for Note 5. Will it show up for the note 5 line up or are we stuck with touchwiz.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3280294
[Device Fundraiser] Cyanogenmod on the Note 5
So we have to raise money to buy a phone to hopefully have cm 13
i no longer have a note 5 *sad face* .....donation sent still....$10.00 though...couldn't make the $20 as stated initially due to unforeseen stuff.
I am not doubting him but buying some one a new phone don't know
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I am not doubting him but buying some one a new phone don't know
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Then you probably shouldn't be on XDA. That's how devs get devices when they can't afford one for themselves, or when a dev already owns a different device but wants to help the other parts of the community.
Your funny.
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You're*
And thank you.
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cdnsnOw said:
Your funny.
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Well friend, then to answer your question, no, we won't have CM13 on the Note5. Not if people like you come on here simply to take the work that devs do and never contribute to the community that makes things like CM13 on the Note5 possible.
You're funny.
What work am I taking away I would just be a little concerned sending a bunch of money who I or other people have not have meet before I am sorry about that.. people get the wrong the wrong idea and start freaking out instead of explaining anything just say
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What work am I taking away I would just be a little concerned sending a bunch of money who I or other people have not have meet before I am sorry about that.. people get the wrong the wrong idea and start freaking out instead of explaining anything just say
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I get that, but the idea of this community is to contribute to the community. A lot of people come here simply to download free ROMs and Kernels. Devs work hard on this stuff and it wouldn't kill the community to give back. Especially if something like CM13 has the possibility of coming to our devices, which a lot of people would love to see. If we want a dev to develop for our device, they need to have our device. Simple as that.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3280294
[Device Fundraiser] Cyanogenmod on the Note 5
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Get that as well, but did you ever see the bounty for the note 4 att/vzw? 13k for root and 16k for no knox trip. I'm pledging 10 USD and if it goes to waste, than oh well. Xda is a great community and I'm just glad to give some effort to support the cause.
cdnsnOw said:
What work am I taking away I would just be a little concerned sending a bunch of money who I or other people have not have meet before I am sorry about that.. people get the wrong the wrong idea and start freaking out instead of explaining anything just say
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jaxenroth said:
Get that as well, but did you ever see the bounty for the note 4 att/vzw? 13k for root and 16k for no knox trip. I'm pledging 10 USD and if it goes to waste, than oh well. Xda is a great community and I'm just glad to give some effort to support the cause.
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This is a great attitude to have. You could also look at it this way: If the dev isn't able to complete the project you donated for, consider your donation payment for some of the other work the dev has more than likely already put out.
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I am not doubting him but buying some one a new phone don't know
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I am the one taking donations to buy the device for the developer. You do not know me, neither do most people on this board but it comes down to the fact that the developer needs the phone we want him to attempt to get CM, AOSP or any other version of android besides stock running on. He graciously agreed to attempt it but said he will not start a thread asking for donations, which I understand. I agreed to start it, if you are not comfortable with donating to purchase the device, you don't have to and I understand that as well.
I have been a good standing, registered member since 09, lurking for some time before that. I have compiled CM for several devices that I have owned and shared them on these boards, I have been a part of other donation/bounty drives understanding my donation, small as they may be equals strength in numbers and is a small risk I am willing to take because I belive people are generally good and have faith in the xda community. Obviously you do not share that thought and that's OK, but if you have ever used a mod, ROM, freely published apps here or anything of the like you should contribute something to that dev, if they do not take donations most have a link to a charity you can donate to. I am not saying you haven't, just saying in general that's how things work.
I understand that the possibility of me, or once I send the device to the developer, him just disappearing is a fear some may have but that's when you look at how long the person has been here, what they have contributed, have they been helpful etc and make your own decision. It's unrealistic for developers to acquire numerous, expensive devices, develop for them then freely make their work available, yet that's what happens at times, other times the community steps up.
Did not mean to start a big thing and sorry if you all took it the wrong way.. I was just concerned other all and I thank everyone for there comments. Duster thank you for all your hard work I am not doubting you at all I love the work you put in..
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Did not mean to start a big thing and sorry if you all took it the wrong way.. I was just concerned other all and I thank everyone for there comments. Duster thank you for all your hard work I am not doubting you at all I love the work you put in..
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It's all good man. We may come off a little strong here on XDA because we; for lack of a better work, care about our devs because they do a lot of stuff without even demanding payment. That particular dev has a history here on XDA for bringing AOSP/CM based work onto previous Note devices so he is reputable. However I definitely understand your concerns as it does come up here in the community from time to time. I remember there were a few devs that let the money get to them and they ended up leaving because they took the money and ran. That was a few years ago though.
I wouldn't sweat it though. I do encourage you to donate at least $10. We are close to getting the funds needed to get the device for him so that work can begin. Though it's not a gaurantee that he will be able to get CM on the Note 5, progress has already been made getting it onto the Sprint version, so we are very hopeful that it'll happen for the other variants as well.
CM 13 will NEVER come to our Note 5. Don't get all your hopes up guys/girls. This guy is blowing smoke up our a$$es.. If it was able to be done, don't you think CM would be doing it for us?! The day I buy a stranger a phone, just to make my $600 purchase a better experience will NEVER happen. Sorry
lightninbug said:
CM 13 will NEVER come to our Note 5. Don't get all your hopes up guys/girls. This guy is blowing smoke up our a$$es.. If it was able to be done, don't you think CM would be doing it for us?! The day I buy a stranger a phone, just to make my $600 purchase a better experience will NEVER happen. Sorry
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CM doesn't develop for Exynos devices so no, I don't think they'd do it.
Also, you're not really buying him a phone, you're just chipping in (doesn't even have to be that much) to make your $600 purchase a better experience. Seems worth it to me. It's okay though, you're allowed to not chip in. It's totally your choice.
Too bad most of the devs here are really nice people. If I were a dev, and I managed to get CM working on the Note 5 because the community chipped in and got me one, I'd privately release it to only the people who donated. That's just me, though.
lightninbug said:
CM 13 will NEVER come to our Note 5. Don't get all your hopes up guys/girls. This guy is blowing smoke up our a$$es.. If it was able to be done, don't you think CM would be doing it for us?! The day I buy a stranger a phone, just to make my $600 purchase a better experience will NEVER happen. Sorry
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Funny, yet you want people to donate to you! For what?!
Buy Me A Drink Or Two
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Akw6190 said:
CM doesn't develop for Exynos devices so no, I don't think they'd do it.
Also, you're not really buying him a phone, you're just chipping in (doesn't even have to be that much) to make your $600 purchase a better experience. Seems worth it to me. It's okay though, you're allowed to not chip in. It's totally your choice.
Too bad most of the devs here are really nice people. If I were a dev, and I managed to get CM working on the Note 5 because the community chipped in and got me one, I'd privately release it to only the people who donated. That's just me, though.
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People are just overly salty for no reason these days. I think they are just trying to make everyone else a debbie downer like they are.
If it actually EVER gets released, feel free to tag me and say you told you so... Until then, I'll be laughing at the ones waiting.
And to the post above, overly salty?!.. No, I'm just being a realist and acknowledging that it will never be released for our device.
Want CM?!? Get a damn nexus!