Well, here is my first complaint about the S6 (on AT&T). It sure is fast and I have little grief about lag (had some weird lag this morning), but I was disappointed when I finally checked my RAM usage. No 3rd party apps running and everything stock AT&T and Samsung (except TW) disabled. 373mb left. Just 12% of 3gb. This leftover was the usual on my S5 with more stuff running in background. On my S6, about 50mb is background stuff I've added.
Is this how all phones are? All carriers?
It seems that Samsung only added ram and debloating for their own purposes. I'd be loathe to see what would have been leftover if they hadn't slimmed their features.
Rant over. Anyone else getting numbers like this?
natefish said:
Well, here is my first complaint about the S6 (on AT&T). It sure is fast and I have little grief about lag (had some weird lag this morning), but I was disappointed when I finally checked my RAM usage. No 3rd party apps running and everything stock AT&T and Samsung (except TW) disabled. 373mb left. Just 12% of 3gb. This leftover was the usual on my S5 with more stuff running in background. On my S6, about 50mb is background stuff I've added.
Is this how all phones are? All carriers?
It seems that Samsung only added ram and debloating for their own purposes. I'd be loathe to see what would have been leftover if they hadn't slimmed their features.
Rant over. Anyone else getting numbers like this?
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Same here, i need to debloat the device once it can be rooted.
This is how Android works. Unused RAM is wasted RAM in the Android world. Google "Android RAM usage" and you'll see plenty of articles explaining why.
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http://www.androidcentral.com/ram-what-it-how-its-used-and-why-you-shouldnt-care
I thought that is the way android work , Apps will consume portion of your ram so that they will launch quickly once you need it.
I have 1gb free
kemo6600 said:
I thought that is the way android work , Apps will consume portion of your ram so that they will launch quickly once you need it.
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That much is true, but I have less apps running on my S6 than I did on my S5. That's the crazy part.
brianfields33 said:
I have 1gb free
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On AT&T?
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On AT&T?
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Yes. I've also eliminated the cell standby battery drain
Uh you are supposed to have ram filled up, that's it works.
Well what do you expect if you can't even disable ****ing facebook.... There are always 2 processes of Facebook running even though you disable the main Facebook app and you have no option to disable those 2 facebook components.
Looking in the pre installed system apps, you might notice that Galaxy S6 is NOT debloatet like everyone claims.
For what ****ing purpose can't you disable these bloatware apps that you don't need or only need if you buy some special hardware and other extras? :
- ANT + DUT (Some bull**** that is required for some special hardware that you can connect your phone with)
- ANT HAL Service (This one is a special kind of retarded, uses up to 100mb ram)
- com.facebook.appmanager (for **** sake i don't want facebook running on my phone, i most certainly don't need it using my network connection for what reason ever, let me disable this god damnit)
- com.facebook.system
- com.sec.chromecast.remote.... (WHYY? Send me a free chromecast then it would make sense to leave this on all the time)
- Gear VR Service/SetupwizardStub/Shell (Why Samsung, just why don't you let this stuff to get disabled, i don't have a ****ing Gear VR, can't you stop wasting my battery and ram for this nonsense?)
- Musik (Such critical program, of course it can't be disabled, must also run in background all the time)
- Samsung Keyboard(Well sorry Samsung, i don't want to use this iPhone copy keyboard, why can't i disable it?)
- SIM-Toolkit
Coming from HTC One M7, I am really disapointed of Samsung S6s bloatware. Won't be long before i root this and remove all of this crap, just waiting to make sure that everything works fine with this phone before i kill my warranty.
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Uh you are supposed to have ram filled up, that's it works.
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The point was how full it is with not much extra running. If it were like that while I had several apps open, your point would be valid.
BBs19 said:
Well what do you expect if you can't even disable ****ing facebook....
Coming from HTC One M7, I am really disapointed of Samsung S6s bloatware. Won't be long before i root this and remove all of this crap, just waiting to make sure that everything works fine with this phone before i kill my warranty.
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Thank you for supplying that lift. I'll keep that in mind whenever I can also root my phone and disable those things. there is so much about the phone that I really do like a lot and it is still way better than the GS5. The camera and processor speed are amazing.
Rooting the S6 has been ready since before it was available for users. I've been rooted and de-bloated for over a week now.
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Rooting the S6 has been ready since before it was available for users. I've been rooted and de-bloated for over a week now.
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On AT&T? Thought it was the one carrier that wouldn't work. That's what I heard. I'd love to be wrong.
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On AT&T? Thought it was the one carrier that wouldn't work. That's what I heard. I'd love to be wrong.
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Ahh, my bad. T-Mobile.
BBs19 said:
Well what do you expect if you can't even disable ****ing facebook.... There are always 2 processes of Facebook running even though you disable the main Facebook app and you have no option to disable those 2 facebook components.
Looking in the pre installed system apps, you might notice that Galaxy S6 is NOT debloatet like everyone claims.
For what ****ing purpose can't you disable these bloatware apps that you don't need or only need if you buy some special hardware and other extras? :
- ANT + DUT (Some bull**** that is required for some special hardware that you can connect your phone with)
- ANT HAL Service (This one is a special kind of retarded, uses up to 100mb ram)
- com.facebook.appmanager (for **** sake i don't want facebook running on my phone, i most certainly don't need it using my network connection for what reason ever, let me disable this god damnit)
- com.facebook.system
- com.sec.chromecast.remote.... (WHYY? Send me a free chromecast then it would make sense to leave this on all the time)
- Gear VR Service/SetupwizardStub/Shell (Why Samsung, just why don't you let this stuff to get disabled, i don't have a ****ing Gear VR, can't you stop wasting my battery and ram for this nonsense?)
- Musik (Such critical program, of course it can't be disabled, must also run in background all the time)
- Samsung Keyboard(Well sorry Samsung, i don't want to use this iPhone copy keyboard, why can't i disable it?)
- SIM-Toolkit
Coming from HTC One M7, I am really disapointed of Samsung S6s bloatware. Won't be long before i root this and remove all of this crap, just waiting to make sure that everything works fine with this phone before i kill my warranty.
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You can disable all of those with Package Disabler.
pjs312 said:
You can disable all of those with Package Disabler.
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But you still need root for that
I think there is a memory leak tbh..
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But you still need root for that
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No you don't, I did it without root on mine.
Pretty well the same on note 4.. frack I am comming from nexus with 2gb ram, where even after all installed and runing apps is with 1.5-1.6GB free. And the mighty note 4 is like s6 with 3gb ram.. guess what it is rooted, almost all bloat removed or disabled and still top free mem is 1.2-1.5gb after reboot... what the heck?
This is defenetly my last samsung phone! Do not care even if next s-line or note line is with 10gb ram... samsung guys will fill it up with more bloat.
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Related
http://iphone.appleinsider.com/arti...talled-including-instagram-microsoft-onedrive
im hoping theyre trolling
Just read that also. And you can hide them in the app drawer but can't uninstall them as previously thought
The S6 in the "hands on" thread, which the OP said is an international model, has 50 apps.
50 non deletable apps?
i was trying to get a less laggy samsung phone with the s6, im not sure now
Of course there are, just like there are 50 preinstalled apps on Windows - Notepad, Internet Explorer, WMP, Windows Defender, etc.
Android has components, that people who want to strike Android will count as preinstalled - Media Library, Music Player, Play Store; do I need to continue to make it any more clear?
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Of course there are, just like there are 50 preinstalled apps on Windows - Notepad, Internet Explorer, WMP, Windows Defender, etc.
Android has components, that people who want to strike Android will count as preinstalled - Media Library, Music Player, Play Store; do I need to continue to make it any more clear?
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Exactly....I should have clarified. No reason to get overly excited in my opinion.
how many forced apps like instagram, 3 messaging apps, svoice etc.
then i have to add apps like cookie jam that my carrier pushed on my phone.
i barely use any of the included apps on my note 4. and ive only installed apps that work on my nexus so the lag is really a samsung thing.
my s5 wasnt laggy at all, just the internet was crawling cos the antana. so i upgraded to the note 4. signal is great but phone lags so bad
GreeleyXda said:
how many forced apps like instagram, 3 messaging apps, svoice etc.
then i have to add apps like cookie jam that my carrier pushed on my phone.
i barely use any of the included apps on my note 4. and ive only installed apps that work on my nexus so the lag is really a samsung thing.
my s5 wasnt laggy at all, just the internet was crawling cos the antana. so i upgraded to the note 4. signal is great but phone lags so bad
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As long as your carrier does not screw up the software, I can assure you S6 does not lag. I have played with both S6 and S6 Edge and they are as lagless as I can imagine.
These so called review sites form a opinion about a product and then try their best to generalize it. Why nobody talks about all the Google apps that come pre-installed?
I have myself checked S6 out and those apps and all are basic necessities after you buy a new phone.
It is true I was messing around with one yesterday and it's impossible to uninstall only disable, it will consume space on a device that's not expandable in terms of memory ?
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It is true I was messing around with one yesterday and it's impossible to uninstall only disable, it will consume space on a device that's not expandable in terms of memory ?
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And if you could uninstall them you would still only have xx amount of usable storage. The apps are stored in a partition of the memory. This is why I wonder why people get so bent out of shape over bloat. Disable it. You can't use that memory anyways.
What is the point of this nonsense! Cramming their phones with apps most of their customers don't want or use. If I want any of Samsung apps, I could go to the store and download it. Samsung itself knows that Touchwiz is hated by the majority and that is why their trimmed 40% of it but I think more trimming could have been done.
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And if you could uninstall them you would still only have xx amount of usable storage. The apps are stored in a partition of the memory. This is why I wonder why people get so bent out of shape over bloat. Disable it. You can't use that memory anyways.
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atleast you wouldnt have things in the background making you lag.
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atleast you wouldnt have things in the background making you lag.
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D I S A B L E them......
zathus said:
And if you could uninstall them you would still only have xx amount of usable storage. The apps are stored in a partition of the memory. This is why I wonder why people get so bent out of shape over bloat. Disable it. You can't use that memory anyways.
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GreeleyXda said:
atleast you wouldnt have things in the background making you lag.
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D I S A B L E them......
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Quoted for truth.
The apps shouldnt be there to begin with. But they take less than a GB of storage so I dont really care.
Can someone make a list of apps that Samsung have removed from the S6. I think the usual lot are still there. And they have added a Smart Manager and 3 MS apps... Sammobiles report of there being only 2 samsung apps was waay off
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What is the point of this nonsense! Cramming their phones with apps most of their customers don't want or use. If I want any of Samsung apps, I could go to the store and download it. Samsung itself knows that Touchwiz is hated by the majority and that is why their trimmed 40% of it but I think more trimming could have been done.
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What kind of thinking is that? Do you also expect Apple os MS not to include the most basic software on the OS either? Notepad or Paint? Do you expect Samsung to be different here? Everyone says it has been heavily debloated already, yet you have not seen the phone yet and already complaining?
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What kind of thinking is that? Do you also expect Apple os MS not to include the most basic software on the OS either? Notepad or Paint? Do you expect Samsung to be different here? Everyone says it has been heavily debloated already, yet you have not seen the phone yet and already complaining?
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its fluid, not denloated. samsung is the one who said it wasnt going to put its app on the phone, instead allowing ppl to download them, but instead they forced partner apps too (mircrosoft apps and whatsapp)
i dont understand the brush it under the carpet response. yes its a nice phone, but samsung lied. its fluid, but thats mostly because of its specs.
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its fluid, not denloated. samsung is the one who said it wasnt going to put its app on the phone, instead allowing ppl to download them, but instead they forced partner apps too (mircrosoft apps and whatsapp)
i dont understand the brush it under the carpet response. yes its a nice phone, but samsung lied. its fluid, but thats mostly because of its specs.
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Do you have S5? Have you compared how much stuff is gone from S5 to S6? I have, and can tell you it is heavily debloated and 5 apps fo not change that at all.
i had an s5.
i compared the best buy S6 to my Note 4. they had all kinds of junk apps on it.
every single samsung phone ive played with that has flipboard, that thing always feels horrible. other than that the S6 was fluid and videos on the S6 edge looked fantastic.
Anyone else notice this?
For example. I'll open up chrome, go to a webpage, exit chrome, and then when I come back to chrome it starts reloading the page again. I've noticed it refreshes or restarts a ton of apps after I come back to them after a short amount of time and it never puts me where I last left off in the app. Even my two year old phones keep apps open longer.
What's up with this?
brian85 said:
Anyone else notice this?
For example. I'll open up chrome, go to a webpage, exit chrome, and then when I come back to chrome it starts reloading the page again. I've noticed it refreshes or restarts a ton of apps after I come back to them after a short amount of time and it never puts me where I last left off in the app. Even my two year old phones keep apps open longer.
What's up with this?
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There is a thread about this problem... it sucks and hope sammy fixes this issue soon.
Video of the problem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUw9PUlFUF0
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s6/help/s6-vs-m9-vs-iphone-6-t3083188
brian85 said:
Anyone else notice this?
For example. I'll open up chrome, go to a webpage, exit chrome, and then when I come back to chrome it starts reloading the page again. I've noticed it refreshes or restarts a ton of apps after I come back to them after a short amount of time and it never puts me where I last left off in the app. Even my two year old phones keep apps open longer.
What's up with this?
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You have to setup your device properly then you have enough free ram for multitasking. Out of the box the system alone uses like 2gb+ of ram which is to much imo. Stock lollipop uses around ~500mb of ram. After all these years touchwiz is still a ramhog nr.1
Just some quick tips:
- use stock launcher from google or nova or other lightweight launchers
- deactivate facebook and messenger and almost every google app that you dont use
this alone will save you like 500mb ram alone. Everything else you'll find in the ram usage settings from there you can see what uses most ram and if you dont need it just deactivate or deinstall this ****.
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You have to setup your device properly then you have enough free ram for multitasking. Out of the box the system alone uses like 2gb+ of ram which is to much imo. Stock lollipop uses around ~500mb of ram. After all these years touchwiz is still a ramhog nr.1
Just some quick tips:
- use stock launcher from google or nova or other lightweight launchers
- deactivate facebook and messenger and almost every google app that you dont use
this alone will save you like 500mb ram alone. Everything else you'll find in the ram usage settings from there you can see what uses most ram and if you dont need it just deactivate or deinstall this ****.
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Problem is that I did not have this problem on my Note 3(with lollipop 5,0) so why should I have it on the touchwiz "lite" on the S6? same RAM on both devices.
johanbiff said:
There is a thread about this problem... it sucks and hope sammy fixes this issue soon.
Video of the problem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUw9PUlFUF0
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s6/help/s6-vs-m9-vs-iphone-6-t3083188
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This issue is discussed in the other thread, but this one is appropriately named. The issue is driving me nuts, but I didn't find anyone else complaining until I saw this thread.
Bloat or no bloat, it's incomprehensible to me how you can't even have three apps running on a phone with 3 GB of ram. My OPO could easily have six or more apps running at the same time.
Well, my galaxy s6 is going back to T-Mobile. LG G4 here I come.
I don't think ram is the issue. I just checked: system is using 1.2gb of ram and apps using 400mb. I have over 1gb of free ram. That's a ton.
brian85 said:
I don't think ram is the issue. I just checked: system is using 1.2gb of ram and apps using 400mb. I have over 1gb of free ram. That's a ton.
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they will fix this, I think it`s just some bad RAM management.. I love this phone so far so I belive that sammy will fix this on an update
johanbiff said:
they will fix this, I think it`s just some bad RAM management.. I love this phone so far so I belive that sammy will fix this on an update
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I really like the phone too, but I'm constantly down to about 200-400 MB of RAM although I've removed most of the bloat and I'm not running any weird apps that I haven't used on other phones in the past.
Not too keen on rooting cause of all the warranty issues either...sure hope you're right about them fixing it.
You're not supposed to have free RAM...
Android’s operating system has its own native handler for assigning RAM to apps and making sure that all of it is being used in the most optimal way. In fact, Android purposely tries to keep apps loaded into RAM for better performance. RAM is fast, remember? On mobile devices, every bit of speed is critical for a good user experience, so keeping apps in RAM is actually a good thing.
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http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/ram-boosters-task-killers-bad-android/
There definitely seems to be an issue with apps being closed too quickly but I don't think it has anything to do with the free RAM numbers you're looking at.
I wonder if there is anyway to submit something to samsung so they are aware of this issue. If this wasn't an issue, this phone would be nearly perfect.
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You're not supposed to have free RAM...
http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/ram-boosters-task-killers-bad-android/
There definitely seems to be an issue with apps being closed too quickly but I don't think it has anything to do with the free RAM numbers you're looking at.
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Thanks, I know this. Doesn't change the fact that my OPO had about 600 MB more free RAM at any given moment and multitasked like a champ.
Hope they'll fix it soon.
Really don`t think it`s the issue with to low RAM, I belive this is a management issue or a bug thats just kills the apps to quickly or even maybe lollipop 5,0,2 issue that samsung missed? I sent samsung a mail about it yesterday so hopefully they will contact me back.
I'd be very interested to know whether someone who has rooted and changed the minfree settings still experience the issues described here.
Also, did you receive any response from Samsung, Johan?
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I wonder if there is anyway to submit something to samsung so they are aware of this issue. If this wasn't an issue, this phone would be nearly perfect.
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Call Samsung customer support. I did for the flash remaining lit, and they weren't even aware of it. We need to be notifying Samsung of these issues, not our carriers.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Galaxy-S6-exhibiting-overzealous-RAM-management-report-users_id68745
made a tip to phone arena about this, hopefully Samsung will get some eyes open so they can fix this.
B.R
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Fruktsallad said:
I'd be very interested to know whether someone who has rooted and changed the minfree settings still experience the issues described here.
Also, did you receive any response from Samsung, Johan?
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sorry no :\ but made a tip to phone arena about it and they announced it today so lets se what happens
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Galaxy-S6-exhibiting-overzealous-RAM-management-report-users_id68745
B.R
Same problem here. Sammy, please...
now also up on Sammobile site
http://www.sammobile.com/2015/04/28/poor-ram-management-affecting-the-galaxy-s6-and-s6-edge/
update is comming according to Samsung UK
just got this answer fron Sammy UK.
let`s see what will happen
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just got this answer fron Sammy UK.
let`s see what will happen
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Fingers crossed. Thanks johanbiff
Just a quick link to my S6 edge thread - also about same issue so we can all keep track of this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s6-edge/help/aggressive-ram-management-t3090492/page1
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johanbiff said:
now also up on Sammobile site
http://www.sammobile.com/2015/04/28/poor-ram-management-affecting-the-galaxy-s6-and-s6-edge/
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Also Gizmodo India
http://www.gizmodo.in/indiamodo/RAM...he-Samsung-Galaxy-S6/articleshow/47083669.cms
Overview UI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sq-DPSDxBIo
How To: Debloat S7 and S7 edge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wb_vHmVaHn0
Thanks for sharing all the vids.
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Overview UI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sq-DPSDxBIo
How To: Debloat S7 and S7 edge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wb_vHmVaHn0
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This is not a true debloat you are simply disabling the app and hiding it and once it updates it should reactivate.
A true debloat comes with root and uninstalling all the crap we dont need or want on our phone! I wish they would stop trying to make money. They already get us for at least $300 for the phone and then charge companies to put their crap on it so we can't get rid of it...
mcwoods said:
This is not a true debloat you are simply disabling the app and hiding it and once it updates it should reactivate.
A true debloat comes with root and uninstalling all the crap we dont need or want on our phone! I wish they would stop trying to make money. They already get us for at least $300 for the phone and then charge companies to put their crap on it so we can't get rid of it...
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I'm pretty sure when you disable apps, they don't run in the background and also won't be able to get updates unless they are enabled.
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I'm pretty sure when you disable apps, they don't run in the background and also won't be able to get updates unless they are enabled.
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That is what I thought too. But I have had several over the years such as Polaris office (on my s3, s4, and s5) that I disable on day one to find out that it has updated and re-enabled the app sometime down the road. Maybe because I have it set up to auto update but if it is disabled then it shouldn't look for it. I'm not sure that is just what has happened to me.
I'm debating between the two. I have a change to get one soon but I'm leaning on keeping the S7e since the U firmware runs well. I also think the S7e looks way better than the XL. It also means giving up SPay, Qi, IP68, compact body,... But Android 7.0 with the new goodies... hmmmm
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Samsung Pay, and the sleek look of the S7edge are the only things that keep me on.
I've never liked the camera UI of vanilla android.... also water resistant, sd card support & big ass battery
wait for the Galaxy S8 edge it will have all the upgraded specs and way more.
to get rid of touchwiz..... in a heartbeat
I'll put an end to this. The S7 Edge has the following advantages over the Pixel XL:
Bigger battery
Edge shortcuts
Waterproof
Better always on display
SD card
Wireless charging
Floating window
Screen gets brighter in daylight and darker at night
Scroll capture
Samsung widgets, magazine, weather, calendar..
Can still use JOD
Can use T-Mobile insurance
Samsung backup
Samsung pay
Better price
Dimensions are way better
As you can see the choice is a no-brainer. Shouldn't even require any thought actually. The only thing the Pixel has is android 7.1 and some software tricks for the camera. 7.1 doesn't do much (I have it on my Nexus) and the photos look better in all lighting conditions on the S7e, even though the Pixel has really great stabilization and is faster at snapping the photo.
The only thing the Pixel has is android 7.1 and some software tricks for the camera.
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...Yeah, what's "real root on a usable kernel" anyway?
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...Yeah, what's "real root on a usable kernel" anyway?
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I don't know why don't you explain to me exactly what you'll be gaining with root. And then explain how that is worth throwing away android pay.
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I don't know why don't you explain to me exactly what you'll be gaining with root. And then explain how that is worth throwing away android pay.
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Host-file based ad blocking, Xposed and everything that goes along with that, viper, freezing system apps you don't like, DriveDroid...
All for the low low price of "having to swipe a credit card instead of tapping your phone on a thing"
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Host-file based ad blocking, Xposed and everything that goes along with that, viper, freezing system apps you don't like, DriveDroid...
All for the low low price of "having to swipe a credit card instead of tapping your phone on a thing"
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Ad blocking can be done without root.
Viper is buggy and totally unnecessary.
Freezing system apps can be done without root.
DriveDroid? Lol
Xposed is the only decent thing on your list and even it is buggy and questionable.
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Ad blocking can be done without root.
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Not very effectively
seh6183 said:
Viper is buggy and totally unnecessary.
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Untrue, dont even know where to start on this..
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Freezing system apps can be done without root.
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Again yea kinda
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Xposed is the only decent thing on your list and even it is buggy and questionable.
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WTF are you even doing on XDA? Are you a shill for closed systems and locked bootloaders? If you are that naive about the benefits of real root then you really should do some homework.
Custom roms
debloating
Overclocking
Expanded app features
Root explorer and the like (and if you say samsungs file manger is good enough I'll beat you with a sack of doorknobs)
Titanium backup
X touchwiz
Feature tweaking and customization
Busybox
Actual Privacy control
Actual control to do what you want with your property
And more, not to mention each of those has a bunch of reasons all their own.
Android and samsung pay and any other mobile pay option are jokes. I have credit cards that also are tap and pay and have been for many years. You feel free to explain why something available in cards already is worth throwing all that away just to put it on a phone that is unless all youre doing is trolling.
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Not very effectively
Untrue, dont even know where to start on this..
Again yea kinda
WTF are you even doing on XDA? Are you a shill for closed systems and locked bootloaders? If you are that naive about the benefits of real root then you really should do some homework.
Custom roms
debloating
Overclocking
Expanded app features
Root explorer and the like (and if you say samsungs file manger is good enough I'll beat you with a sack of doorknobs)
Titanium backup
X touchwiz
Feature tweaking and customization
Busybox
Actual Privacy control
Actual control to do what you want with your property
And more, not to mention each of those has a bunch of reasons all their own.
Android and samsung pay and any other mobile pay option are jokes. I have credit cards that also are tap and pay and have been for many years. You feel free to explain why something available in cards already is worth throwing all that away just to put it on a phone that is unless all youre doing is trolling.
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Ad blocking is not very effective without root? I don't see a single ad, don't have root. Seems pretty effective to me.
I have 180 apps frozen on my phone right now. What is this "kinda" you speak of?
XDA was created when phones NEEDED to be rooted and tweaked just to make them enjoyable. The OEMs are eliminating the need for root one item at a time and eventually it will be totally unnecessary. Believe it or don't but that's reality and it will hit you in the face like a ton of bricks in the next year or two.
Every single thing that you mentioned can be done without root or is unnecessary.
If you have to have those features you mentioned, excellent then go ahead and choose a phone that can be rooted, and root your heart out so you can change the color of your status bar LOL
I personally prefer not to give up things such as Samsung pay. If you cant wrap your head around why Samsung pay is popular and useful then there is nothing I can say to educate you. Maybe you don't even know what mst is? Anyway have fun with whatever it is that you do.
Your arrogance is amazing, do you purport know better than everyone else?
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Ad blocking is not very effective without root? I don't see a single ad, don't have root. Seems pretty effective to me.
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LOL wow so because you dont have any adds that means the method you use is just as good for everyone? If everyone uses your method there would be no adds whatsoever, is that what you are saying?
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I have 180 apps frozen on my phone right now. What is this "kinda" you speak of?
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As for freezing, you cant freeze certain system apps w/o root that's why I said kinda. See how that works? Not to mention the overall problem of freezing instead of removing. But yea keep the bloatware and limit your space.
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XDA was created when phones NEEDED to be rooted and tweaked just to make them enjoyable. The OEMs are eliminating the need for root one item at a time and eventually it will be totally unnecessary. Believe it or don't but that's reality and it will hit you in the face like a ton of bricks in the next year or two.
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As far as you rationale on xda and rooting, OEMs are not eliminating the need for root, otherwise most people wouldnt be on here. And who are you to say what is needed to make other's phones more enjoyable? The fact that people want root is indicative of their need to make modifications to make their phone enjoyable to them. And also is that why the international versions have unlocked bootloaders? To educate you, OEMS lock bootloaders at the request of carriers. Locked bootloaders have been available to be instituted for many years, and seeing as US carriers are starting to utilize them the demand for unlocked phones are increasing.
https://news.samsung.com/global/samsung-introduces-unlocked-galaxy-s7-and-galaxy-s7-edge-in-the-u-s
Samsung even admits it and has released a carrier independent unlocked s7
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Every single thing that you mentioned can be done without root or is unnecessary.
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Again who says its unnecessary? You? Since when do you speak for the majority?
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If you have to have those features you mentioned, excellent then go ahead and choose a phone that can be rooted, and root your heart out so you can change the color of your status bar LOL
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Again I will and many others will to due to our need to make our phones more enjoyable
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I personally prefer not to give up things such as Samsung pay. If you cant wrap your head around why Samsung pay is popular and useful then there is nothing I can say to educate you.
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AGAIN so... because you have settled on that tradeoff and others dont agree with your opinion, you are saying that we must not be educated? What a narrow world view, agree with everything I say and do or you're wrong and must be corrected. The Nazis had the same idea but took it a step further and eliminated opposition.
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Maybe you don't even know what mst is?
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Do you? Yes I know what MST is, its Samsung's latest push towards wireless payment technology utilizing NFC. And if the merchant doesnt use it then samsung pay will go ahead and use older "Less Secure" Technology or wont work at all resulting in you having to pull out your bank card and use it either by tap and pay, chip or good old fashioned swiping.
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Anyway have fun with whatever it is that you do.
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Yes, I like many others, will keep trying to get real root because of OUR need to make our devices more enjoyable.
Oh and btw I forgot to mention Xposed by itself, does absolutely nothing, its a framework for root apps to make the modifications and in fact most apps are quite stable on real root. Real root enables the users to fix and streamline the performance of their devices not just customize. Like disabling DVFS, odex/deodex, custom kernels, these are not for aesthetic purposes but functional. To make up for problems like this
http://bgr.com/2016/03/25/galaxy-s7-performance-test-us-vs-global-pt-2/
But keep drinking the koolaid and insist that security is paramount to freedom. The establishment will love you for it.
Nirrik said:
a bunch of annoying babbling
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Look buddy take a hike. No one cares. Go to a forum for a phone that has "proper root" and tell them about how much you love root and all the cool things you can do with it.
The fact of the matter is, like I've stated before, almost everything can be accomplished without root. I don't need you to believe this for it to be fact.
Go buy the inferior pixel so you can load a custom rom that allows you to have a floating side bar or buggy app addons and then wait for the dev to fix them all.
Either way just go away. This isn't a root thread, it's about the s7e vs the pixel and I've already blown that argument out of the water.
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Look buddy take a hike. No one cares. Go to a forum for a phone that has "proper root" and tell them about how much you love root and all the cool things you can do with it.
The fact of the matter is, like I've stated before, almost everything can be accomplished without root. I don't need you to believe this for it to be fact.
Go buy the inferior pixel so you can load a custom rom that allows you to have a floating side bar or buggy app addons and then wait for the dev to fix them all.
Either way just go away. This isn't a root thread, it's about the s7e vs the pixel and I've already blown that argument out of the water.
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LOL awwwww did I make the troll mad? "the fact of the matter is" I respond with structured facts and refrences, you refuse to refute my points with anything other than a tantrum and unfounded opinions. YOU were the one that tried to act like everything you said was fact with no proof, You began this debate and now that its plain to see that you have no real ground to stand on, you are gonna knock the pieces off the board. And apparently people care, you may not but others do. So your "No one cares" is yet another unfounded opinion that has no basis in truth. And as far as going to a forum where people care about root, I did, that's what XDA is, all of it! Its XDA DEVELOPERS! Maybe you should find a new site to spout your locked bootloader/anti root vitrol and where you can refuse to act like a reasonable adult. LMFAO.
All my ads are blocked.
I can freeze every single process on my phone.
You don't know how mst works.
FAIL.
Im eating popcorn while reading all this.
I would not trade the GS7E for a pixel or any other Google branded phone. Had bad experiences with prior Nexus phones. To put it simply, the plusses of this phone easily outweigh the plusses of the pixel, which really is only that it has stock Android and quick updates. I couldn't care less about root, as another poster stated, ad blocking and freezing apps can be done without. Never had good experiences with xposed. And lastly, if you want the UI to look stock, Samsung good lock has you covered. Overall, this phone doesn't lag, doesn't crash, has excellent battery life, water resistance, and reasonably quick updates. Life is too short to deal with rooting and other nonsense. I want a phone that works with minimal input from me, and this gives me that.
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You don't know how mst works.
FAIL.
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This is literally all I saw...the failure to realise what MST is and/or how it works. NFC is kind of weak...android pay uses it some cards have it the samsung gear s2 watch uses it for sam pay....but mst...mst since nobody wanted to educate the other guy...creates an electromagnetic field of sorts that mimics the magnetic frequency resonance whatever what have you of said card (well actually a secondary card number to protect yours) to emulate a card swipe...works places NOTHING else does..android pay apple pay paypal none of them work because you are in the country somewhere at some hillbilly gasstation that has only a card reader...sam pay will save you. It should even work with square pay readers ?. I will say though...v4a Viper4Android...is VERY useful especially if you are an audiophile. No other app compares...period...coming from someone with an s7e that isnt rooter because i use sam pay. And i must say yea i miss the abilities of a rooted phone...but ive been fine since march without. Also heard tmobile was checking to see if devices were rooted now on insurance....i already cracked my screen once(sparks shooting across the room actually did it)...if thats true i would have been a $$ out if rooted...oh and to answer your question...not in a million years...tmobiles bill credit isnt even enticing enough coupled with the note7 fiasco. Ill be getting the 5.5 s8 or s8e however they will market the moniker as soon as it drops
I didn't want to explain mst to the guy because I was hoping he would continue to live his life believing that mst is just nfc lol
I guess I just don't see what is so great about viper. An equalizer is very important to me but that is built into the apps these days. All the other functions of viper are unimportant to me. I'm not an audiophile so I'm probably missing it, but adding an echo or virtual surround to my music is not important. And I've had bugs and drain with viper before (only on certain devices)
Does anyone know of any way to completely disable S Health or delete it from the Gear?
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Does anyone know of any way to completely disable S Health or delete it from the Gear?
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Why?
For those who want to free up memory or don't use it I would think. I frankly don't use sheath and have it deleted on my rooted phone. If I could remove it from the watch I would too
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Why?
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Why not? Shouldn't pretty much every app on a device have an option to disable them if you do not need it?
I just don't use S Health. I know it's a good fitness app but I'd like to turn it off completely if possible, and enable it if needed.
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Why not? Shouldn't pretty much every app on a device have an option to disable them if you do not need it?
I just don't use S Health. I know it's a good fitness app but I'd like to turn it off completely if possible, and enable it if needed.
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I guess your right, but that one of the main focal points of the watch. It's like saying getting rid of Samsung pay. But I understand.
Ha, I didn't buy this watch bc of S health. Nor do I care about it. That's much like saying you bought a ferrari bc it's fast. Most people don't drive their ferrari at the track to take advantage of their speeds.
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Ha, I didn't buy this watch bc of S health. Nor do I care about it. That's much like saying you bought a ferrari bc it's fast. Most people don't drive their ferrari at the track to take advantage of their speeds.
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Ha, you don't have to race a Ferrari to go fast? But, I guess you trying to say you can buy a Ferrari and not drive it fast? Doesn't make sense, but it's your money and you can do whatever you want.
Just wanted to know the reason for removing a key feature and i got my answer.
you missed the whole point... oh well
I find it quite annoying these days how manufacturers of these devices including phones force you to have apps you don't want. It is like you really don't own it, they just let you use it, as long as you use it the way THEY want. I can see including by default but if a user doesn't want the app why are they forced to have it anyway? The attitude is kind of like "we know better than you what you want". All apps should be removable within reason (you shouldn't be able to remove things so much as to brick the device obviously). All of these apps could be made available on the store so if you change your mind in the future and want a deleted app back, just download it. I would nix probably 1/2 of the crap they pre-load on these things if I could. Not only would that free up storage but also increase battery life too (not only do they force you to have these things, but they also insist on running them in the background too even if you never use them).
This is a pretty big issue on a device like this with limited memory and battery life. Why eat up valuable storage with things you don't want and not have room for the things you do want? The S3 is so loaded with bloat that out of 4GB of storage you really only have 1.5GB left for what you actually want. That is terrible. I guess we are all to stupid to know what we want, thankfully Samsung is so much smarter than us and they save us from ourselves.
DaveC1964 said:
I find it quite annoying these days how manufacturers of these devices including phones force you to have apps you don't want. It is like you really don't own it, they just let you use it, as long as you use it the way THEY want. I can see including by default but if a user doesn't want the app why are they forced to have it anyway? The attitude is kind of like "we know better than you what you want". All apps should be removable within reason (you shouldn't be able to remove things so much as to brick the device obviously). All of these apps could be made available on the store so if you change your mind in the future and want a deleted app back, just download it. I would nix probably 1/2 of the crap they pre-load on these things if I could. Not only would that free up storage but also increase battery life too (not only do they force you to have these things, but they also insist on running them in the background too even if you never use them).
This is a pretty big issue on a device like this with limited memory and battery life. Why eat up valuable storage with things you don't want and not have room for the things you do want? The S3 is so loaded with bloat that out of 4GB of storage you really only have 1.5GB left for what you actually want. That is terrible. I guess we are all to stupid to know what we want, thankfully Samsung is so much smarter than us and they save us from ourselves.
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agreed. I would also like to remove s-health completely!
Any way to remove this crap yet? It's actually recording data and uses battery and I haven't given it permission to.