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Pure vanilla Android.
There's a bunch of stuff preinstalled on it, but it's all Google stuff; I don't think there's any third-party apps.
It's not plain android, there's a bunch of Google bloatware.
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It's not plain android, there's a bunch of Google bloatware.
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I'm curious as to what you consider Google bloatware, because the Nexus S is about as plain as you can get. Most of the time bloatware is stuff added by OEMs, such as the preinstalled demo games on the MT4G. Mind elaborating?
I can't speak for JC, but in my mind, anything that comes preinstalled on a device which I neither want nor need is bloatware. This, of course, makes the entire concept subjective, but in general with things like Android, I think less is more, since you can download nearly all of these things from the Market anyway. The consumer-side justification of "bloatware" (revenue for the provider, of course, being the primary, producer-side justification) is to present the user with access to a service they might otherwise not know to look for. ("Oh, hey, my phone can play TV/can display YouTube/has internet radio/whatever!"). For most of us though, particularly anyone savvy enough to be on XDA in the first place, most of it ends up falling into one of three categories:
-Don't care about
-Use a different app for
-Would have downloaded if it wasn't included.
In any case, I've observed that what most people have the biggest issue with isn't that stuff may come preinstalled on their phone, it's that you can't get rid of it, and if you do, you may well open yourself to a world of trouble should you ever wish to install an OTA update.
I would consider it plain android, as the "bloatware" on it is really only google apps, which come with all android phones. It doesn't have bloatware from a third party though like some of the other android phones. Either way, bloatware can be removed off any rooted phone with titanium backup
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I can't speak for JC, but in my mind, anything that comes preinstalled on a device which I neither want nor need is bloatware. This, of course, makes the entire concept subjective, but in general with things like Android, I think less is more, since you can download nearly all of these things from the Market anyway. The consumer-side justification of "bloatware" (revenue for the provider, of course, being the primary, producer-side justification) is to present the user with access to a service they might otherwise not know to look for. ("Oh, hey, my phone can play TV/can display YouTube/has internet radio/whatever!"). For most of us though, particularly anyone savvy enough to be on XDA in the first place, most of it ends up falling into one of three categories:
-Don't care about
-Use a different app for
-Would have downloaded if it wasn't included.
In any case, I've observed that what most people have the biggest issue with isn't that stuff may come preinstalled on their phone, it's that you can't get rid of it, and if you do, you may well open yourself to a world of trouble should you ever wish to install an OTA update.
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Fair enough points.
Unfortunately, we still run into that last issue even on the Nexus S. Folks were unable to update via the stock 2.3.1 OTA if they had modified system files, such replacing the stock Mms.apk or Gmail.apk with the black/custom ones from the Themes & Apps section or deleting any of their relevant .odexs. Even placing the missing files back on the system partition didn't seem to work, at least for me. It was a very curious update.
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Fair enough points.
Unfortunately, we still run into that last issue even on the Nexus S. Folks were unable to update via the stock 2.3.1 OTA if they had modified system files, such replacing the stock Mms.apk or Gmail.apk with the black/custom ones from the Themes & Apps section or deleting any of their relevant .odexs. Even placing the missing files back on the system partition didn't seem to work, at least for me. It was a very curious update.
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Yeah, I soft-bricked my Vibrant trying to grab T-Mobile's OTA after I took it upon myself to delete all the extraneous crapware that came with it. They can be very touchy indeed. It's a steep learning curve for newbies. x_x
Next question,how is t mobiles 4G .I live in knox tn. Anyone know?
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So it doesn't have the useless Amazon mp3 app anymore like the nexus one?
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Next question,how is t mobiles 4G .I live in knox tn. Anyone know?
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No HSPA+ (it's not 4G!) on the Nexus S. Don't ask me why, it boggles my mind too.
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So it doesn't have the useless Amazon mp3 app anymore like the nexus one?
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No Amazon MP3 app installed. Just made me look at my app drawer to confirm, lol.
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So it doesn't have the useless Amazon mp3 app anymore like the nexus one?
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Nope, they put google earth in its place.
There is also that office app that is NOT a google product...so yea, there is a bit of bloat, but pretty much it is vanilla.
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No HSPA+ (it's not 4G!) on the Nexus S. Don't ask me why, it boggles my mind too.
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True, but it does still support up to 7.2Mbps down which you'll only get in a t-mobile 4g area.
I was just in Orlando and i was getting around 5-6Mbps on my N1 and in a Nexus S i was testing at best buy and it was pretty damn fast. puts my DSL connection at home to shame.
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There is also that office app that is NOT a google product...so yea, there is a bit of bloat, but pretty much it is vanilla.
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I don't think Google has an office app for Android. Every device has launched with some kind of partnered 3rd party, either ThinkFree, or Quickoffice. At least, I think those are the two they've used.
If they didn't, you wouldn't be able to read any kind of text document on your phone and that's just kind of a silly thing to not be able to do, imo.
EDIT: And on that note, Google should probably make a office app! lol
Who really cares whats installed or not, EVERYTHING can be uninstalled.
after using ThinkFREE for a while on the Galaxy S, i can say it's really good
way better than the Docs To Go and/or QuickOffice which i'm using on the XT720
but truth is... you don't need any of those with Google Office online, it's so much easier to keep things and work with documents using Google Office Online
Have my Xoom WiFi pre-ordered and delivery is supposed to be next week. I am coming from a Viewsonic G-Tablet (will still have two of them, just I won't be using) where the ONLY way to make use of them is by rooting and installing a third-party ROM.
With the Xoom, it seems like rooting it is more of an intellectual exercise than something that would make a big difference in day to day use. Is there something I'm missing?
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Have my Xoom WiFi pre-ordered and delivery is supposed to be next week. I am coming from a Viewsonic G-Tablet (will still have two of them, just I won't be using) where the ONLY way to make use of them is by rooting and installing a third-party ROM.
With the Xoom, it seems like rooting it is more of an intellectual exercise than something that would make a big difference in day to day use. Is there something I'm missing?
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1) Delete the crap you don't want
2) Overclock
3) Titanium backup
4) Usb Hosting
5) One day custom roms
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1) Delete the crap you don't want
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Anything in particular you are thinking of?
2) Overclock
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Unless that helps video playback, I doubt I want to run my battery down or possibly overheat the tablet.
3) Titanium backup
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I use that on my G-Tablet because I can't be sure the market will be stable from one refresh to the next. But is there a real need for it on the Xoom?
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Nothing that ES File Manager and a Network drive won't take care of, but point taken
5) One day custom roms
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Given Google's announcement about the HC stuff not being released anytime soon, I wouldn't be holding my breath on that.
So basically, the same reasons I might want to do it on my Nexus One. But it's not like the G-Tablet where I'm going to go from hardly acceptable to Notebook replacement is what I'm hearing.
True...as far as deleting apps I delete a ton. The browser, the games, and quick office is just a few. I backup my evo files and bring them over to the xoom (like games).
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bwcorvus said:
True...as far as deleting apps I delete a ton. The browser, the games, and quick office is just a few. I backup my evo files and bring them over to the xoom (like games).
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woa! you deleted the browser? i use opera mostly, but i would sooo not be comfortable doing that. just raised an eyebrow, i'm sure you have your reasons, just never heard of someone doing that. and i've been using/tweaking android for years now.
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woa! you deleted the browser? i use opera mostly, but i would sooo not be comfortable doing that. just raised an eyebrow, i'm sure you have your reasons, just never heard of someone doing that. and i've been using/tweaking android for years now.
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I use dolphin so i delete it from all my devices Don't need programs that i don't use taking up space i need.
I don't recommend deleting the stock browser, and here is why;
I have a rooted Droid running UD 7.0. It's set up with Sweeter Home, etc,just the way I like it.
When Google Gesture Search came out, I spent days trying to figure out why I couldn't get it to work. I found out by trial & error (and a LOT of restoring ROMs!) that it was because I had deleted the stock browser in favor of Dolphin.
-Prob'ly nuttin, but because of all the unknowns, I expect I'll keep the stock basics until I can do a systematic, controlled delete. Just my 2 sense, err, cents.
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I use dolphin so i delete it from all my devices Don't need programs that i don't use taking up space i need.
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dude, on the xoom, how much space do you need? the browser is what 8meg, max? i use other browsers too, just would never delete the stock browser, to each their own.
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dude, on the xoom, how much space do you need? the browser is what 8meg, max? i use other browsers too, just would never delete the stock browser, to each their own.
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I NEED IT ALL
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I NEED IT ALL
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Agreed.
Not to mention its worth it for the overclock alone. I have not noticed a change in battery life, and in terms of heat the dual core runs around 90 tops under heavy use.
These threads are useless, this Guy has a rooted device and knows what functions root already does. Why is he asking us what we will do with it when he already knows. Someone says removed crapware, then he gives an argument. Someone says overclock or custom then he gives another argument. C'mon man you already know what root brings, just determine if you need it or not because everyone's needs and wants are different.
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These threads are useless, this Guy has a rooted device and knows what functions root already does. Why is he asking us what we will do with it when he already knows. Someone says removed crapware, then he gives an argument. Someone says overclock or custom then he gives another argument. C'mon man you already know what root brings, just determine if you need it or not because everyone's needs and wants are different.
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Just to clarify, I have a couple of rooted Viewsonic G-Tablets. I haven't rooted my Xoom yet because:
A) I haven't got it yet (3/29 according to UPS)
B) It looks like it's a more complicated procedure at this point since there isn't native SD Card support
So I was trying to decide whether rooting was necessary (which it very much is on the G-Tablets), or just something desirable. And in the latter case, if there's something that would let me do that I would really miss.
At this point it sounds like there are three things I give up by not rooting, and the only one of those I don't have an acceptable workaround for is the overclocking. But I didn't want to hijack my own thread by starting a discussion on that, and so have been following the thread about OC instead.
FWIW...
Only reason I rooted my xoom was for the ability to play movies stutter free directly from my net shares...other than that no other reason...doesn't need to be overclocked and not really in to the custom rom game.
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Only reason I rooted my xoom was for the ability to play movies stutter free directly from my net shares...other than that no other reason...doesn't need to be overclocked and not really in to the custom rom game.
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What player are you using? I assume you needed the CIFS support for this?
yes Cifs from the market. Using rockplayer until vplayer releases support for the Xoom.
I had a Viewsonic on Saturday (returning it monday) and i tried all the custom roms, but the main issue is the terrible display, i found not only do you need hold it in front of you, it still wasnt perfect until you held it on a weird angle. Even for 339.00 it's not worth it. I liked the USB port on it but it's ready to go back to the store tommorow. The Xoom screen is much much better (I had them both next to each other all day trying to justify). Heck, i might bring both back and just keep my Nook Color.. Time will tell... Battery life with the Tiamat kernal was about 9 hours but i started it at 72%.
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Just to clarify, I have a couple of rooted Viewsonic G-Tablets. I haven't rooted my Xoom yet because:
A) I haven't got it yet (3/29 according to UPS)
B) It looks like it's a more complicated procedure at this point since there isn't native SD Card support
So I was trying to decide whether rooting was necessary (which it very much is on the G-Tablets), or just something desirable. And in the latter case, if there's something that would let me do that I would really miss.
At this point it sounds like there are three things I give up by not rooting, and the only one of those I don't have an acceptable workaround for is the overclocking. But I didn't want to hijack my own thread by starting a discussion on that, and so have been following the thread about OC instead.
FWIW...
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I am having the same thoughts myself.
I jailbroke all my iphones, I've rooted all my android devices, but, for some reason, I am not anxious to root the xoom
I think once sd card support comes, and, when there are MORE rom/kernel choices, it might be more desirable to do it.
for trouble free viewing of hd videos, just rip with handbrake, or a similar program and watch them with Vital player..
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I use dolphin so i delete it from all my devices Don't need programs that i don't use taking up space i need.
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U do know that is system space and you cant access it, right? thats not good and can cause the system to become unstable. Its space you will never see or be able to use so leave it. Get an app that hides apps from your tray and your problem solved ina safe manner..but hey, to each his own.
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I am having the same thoughts myself.
I jailbroke all my iphones, I've rooted all my android devices, but, for some reason, I am not anxious to root the xoom
I think once sd card support comes, and, when there are MORE rom/kernel choices, it might be more desirable to do it.
for trouble free viewing of hd videos, just rip with handbrake, or a similar program and watch them with Vital player..
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I couldnt agree more. I use handbrake for ripping also and I also don't see any current use in rooting a Xoom. Movies play crystal clear..Battery life is 9hours..
I just think some people are never satisfied..lol..like we're spoiled brats.
Im interested in the process but people are tweaking and reaching like this beast of a tablet isnt dual core and on the lastest version of android.
This is a Xoom and not a G1..lol...Not yelling..just made a point that we are never content until we brake some ****.
Google doesnt want the OEM using and skinning their **** anymore..atleast without that licensing/kiss our Google,rich ass Fee..so they probably wont release Honeycomb until 2012 I hear anyway.
So in theory u guys are holding your breath for a Dragons fart.
Ad blocking.
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im hoping theyre trolling
Just read that also. And you can hide them in the app drawer but can't uninstall them as previously thought
The S6 in the "hands on" thread, which the OP said is an international model, has 50 apps.
50 non deletable apps?
i was trying to get a less laggy samsung phone with the s6, im not sure now
Of course there are, just like there are 50 preinstalled apps on Windows - Notepad, Internet Explorer, WMP, Windows Defender, etc.
Android has components, that people who want to strike Android will count as preinstalled - Media Library, Music Player, Play Store; do I need to continue to make it any more clear?
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Of course there are, just like there are 50 preinstalled apps on Windows - Notepad, Internet Explorer, WMP, Windows Defender, etc.
Android has components, that people who want to strike Android will count as preinstalled - Media Library, Music Player, Play Store; do I need to continue to make it any more clear?
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Exactly....I should have clarified. No reason to get overly excited in my opinion.
how many forced apps like instagram, 3 messaging apps, svoice etc.
then i have to add apps like cookie jam that my carrier pushed on my phone.
i barely use any of the included apps on my note 4. and ive only installed apps that work on my nexus so the lag is really a samsung thing.
my s5 wasnt laggy at all, just the internet was crawling cos the antana. so i upgraded to the note 4. signal is great but phone lags so bad
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how many forced apps like instagram, 3 messaging apps, svoice etc.
then i have to add apps like cookie jam that my carrier pushed on my phone.
i barely use any of the included apps on my note 4. and ive only installed apps that work on my nexus so the lag is really a samsung thing.
my s5 wasnt laggy at all, just the internet was crawling cos the antana. so i upgraded to the note 4. signal is great but phone lags so bad
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As long as your carrier does not screw up the software, I can assure you S6 does not lag. I have played with both S6 and S6 Edge and they are as lagless as I can imagine.
These so called review sites form a opinion about a product and then try their best to generalize it. Why nobody talks about all the Google apps that come pre-installed?
I have myself checked S6 out and those apps and all are basic necessities after you buy a new phone.
It is true I was messing around with one yesterday and it's impossible to uninstall only disable, it will consume space on a device that's not expandable in terms of memory ?
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It is true I was messing around with one yesterday and it's impossible to uninstall only disable, it will consume space on a device that's not expandable in terms of memory ?
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And if you could uninstall them you would still only have xx amount of usable storage. The apps are stored in a partition of the memory. This is why I wonder why people get so bent out of shape over bloat. Disable it. You can't use that memory anyways.
What is the point of this nonsense! Cramming their phones with apps most of their customers don't want or use. If I want any of Samsung apps, I could go to the store and download it. Samsung itself knows that Touchwiz is hated by the majority and that is why their trimmed 40% of it but I think more trimming could have been done.
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And if you could uninstall them you would still only have xx amount of usable storage. The apps are stored in a partition of the memory. This is why I wonder why people get so bent out of shape over bloat. Disable it. You can't use that memory anyways.
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atleast you wouldnt have things in the background making you lag.
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atleast you wouldnt have things in the background making you lag.
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D I S A B L E them......
zathus said:
And if you could uninstall them you would still only have xx amount of usable storage. The apps are stored in a partition of the memory. This is why I wonder why people get so bent out of shape over bloat. Disable it. You can't use that memory anyways.
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atleast you wouldnt have things in the background making you lag.
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D I S A B L E them......
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Quoted for truth.
The apps shouldnt be there to begin with. But they take less than a GB of storage so I dont really care.
Can someone make a list of apps that Samsung have removed from the S6. I think the usual lot are still there. And they have added a Smart Manager and 3 MS apps... Sammobiles report of there being only 2 samsung apps was waay off
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What is the point of this nonsense! Cramming their phones with apps most of their customers don't want or use. If I want any of Samsung apps, I could go to the store and download it. Samsung itself knows that Touchwiz is hated by the majority and that is why their trimmed 40% of it but I think more trimming could have been done.
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What kind of thinking is that? Do you also expect Apple os MS not to include the most basic software on the OS either? Notepad or Paint? Do you expect Samsung to be different here? Everyone says it has been heavily debloated already, yet you have not seen the phone yet and already complaining?
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What kind of thinking is that? Do you also expect Apple os MS not to include the most basic software on the OS either? Notepad or Paint? Do you expect Samsung to be different here? Everyone says it has been heavily debloated already, yet you have not seen the phone yet and already complaining?
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its fluid, not denloated. samsung is the one who said it wasnt going to put its app on the phone, instead allowing ppl to download them, but instead they forced partner apps too (mircrosoft apps and whatsapp)
i dont understand the brush it under the carpet response. yes its a nice phone, but samsung lied. its fluid, but thats mostly because of its specs.
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its fluid, not denloated. samsung is the one who said it wasnt going to put its app on the phone, instead allowing ppl to download them, but instead they forced partner apps too (mircrosoft apps and whatsapp)
i dont understand the brush it under the carpet response. yes its a nice phone, but samsung lied. its fluid, but thats mostly because of its specs.
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Do you have S5? Have you compared how much stuff is gone from S5 to S6? I have, and can tell you it is heavily debloated and 5 apps fo not change that at all.
i had an s5.
i compared the best buy S6 to my Note 4. they had all kinds of junk apps on it.
every single samsung phone ive played with that has flipboard, that thing always feels horrible. other than that the S6 was fluid and videos on the S6 edge looked fantastic.
Well, here is my first complaint about the S6 (on AT&T). It sure is fast and I have little grief about lag (had some weird lag this morning), but I was disappointed when I finally checked my RAM usage. No 3rd party apps running and everything stock AT&T and Samsung (except TW) disabled. 373mb left. Just 12% of 3gb. This leftover was the usual on my S5 with more stuff running in background. On my S6, about 50mb is background stuff I've added.
Is this how all phones are? All carriers?
It seems that Samsung only added ram and debloating for their own purposes. I'd be loathe to see what would have been leftover if they hadn't slimmed their features.
Rant over. Anyone else getting numbers like this?
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Well, here is my first complaint about the S6 (on AT&T). It sure is fast and I have little grief about lag (had some weird lag this morning), but I was disappointed when I finally checked my RAM usage. No 3rd party apps running and everything stock AT&T and Samsung (except TW) disabled. 373mb left. Just 12% of 3gb. This leftover was the usual on my S5 with more stuff running in background. On my S6, about 50mb is background stuff I've added.
Is this how all phones are? All carriers?
It seems that Samsung only added ram and debloating for their own purposes. I'd be loathe to see what would have been leftover if they hadn't slimmed their features.
Rant over. Anyone else getting numbers like this?
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Same here, i need to debloat the device once it can be rooted.
This is how Android works. Unused RAM is wasted RAM in the Android world. Google "Android RAM usage" and you'll see plenty of articles explaining why.
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I thought that is the way android work , Apps will consume portion of your ram so that they will launch quickly once you need it.
I have 1gb free
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I thought that is the way android work , Apps will consume portion of your ram so that they will launch quickly once you need it.
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That much is true, but I have less apps running on my S6 than I did on my S5. That's the crazy part.
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I have 1gb free
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On AT&T?
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Yes. I've also eliminated the cell standby battery drain
Uh you are supposed to have ram filled up, that's it works.
Well what do you expect if you can't even disable ****ing facebook.... There are always 2 processes of Facebook running even though you disable the main Facebook app and you have no option to disable those 2 facebook components.
Looking in the pre installed system apps, you might notice that Galaxy S6 is NOT debloatet like everyone claims.
For what ****ing purpose can't you disable these bloatware apps that you don't need or only need if you buy some special hardware and other extras? :
- ANT + DUT (Some bull**** that is required for some special hardware that you can connect your phone with)
- ANT HAL Service (This one is a special kind of retarded, uses up to 100mb ram)
- com.facebook.appmanager (for **** sake i don't want facebook running on my phone, i most certainly don't need it using my network connection for what reason ever, let me disable this god damnit)
- com.facebook.system
- com.sec.chromecast.remote.... (WHYY? Send me a free chromecast then it would make sense to leave this on all the time)
- Gear VR Service/SetupwizardStub/Shell (Why Samsung, just why don't you let this stuff to get disabled, i don't have a ****ing Gear VR, can't you stop wasting my battery and ram for this nonsense?)
- Musik (Such critical program, of course it can't be disabled, must also run in background all the time)
- Samsung Keyboard(Well sorry Samsung, i don't want to use this iPhone copy keyboard, why can't i disable it?)
- SIM-Toolkit
Coming from HTC One M7, I am really disapointed of Samsung S6s bloatware. Won't be long before i root this and remove all of this crap, just waiting to make sure that everything works fine with this phone before i kill my warranty.
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Uh you are supposed to have ram filled up, that's it works.
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The point was how full it is with not much extra running. If it were like that while I had several apps open, your point would be valid.
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Well what do you expect if you can't even disable ****ing facebook....
Coming from HTC One M7, I am really disapointed of Samsung S6s bloatware. Won't be long before i root this and remove all of this crap, just waiting to make sure that everything works fine with this phone before i kill my warranty.
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Thank you for supplying that lift. I'll keep that in mind whenever I can also root my phone and disable those things. there is so much about the phone that I really do like a lot and it is still way better than the GS5. The camera and processor speed are amazing.
Rooting the S6 has been ready since before it was available for users. I've been rooted and de-bloated for over a week now.
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Rooting the S6 has been ready since before it was available for users. I've been rooted and de-bloated for over a week now.
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On AT&T? Thought it was the one carrier that wouldn't work. That's what I heard. I'd love to be wrong.
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On AT&T? Thought it was the one carrier that wouldn't work. That's what I heard. I'd love to be wrong.
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Ahh, my bad. T-Mobile.
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Well what do you expect if you can't even disable ****ing facebook.... There are always 2 processes of Facebook running even though you disable the main Facebook app and you have no option to disable those 2 facebook components.
Looking in the pre installed system apps, you might notice that Galaxy S6 is NOT debloatet like everyone claims.
For what ****ing purpose can't you disable these bloatware apps that you don't need or only need if you buy some special hardware and other extras? :
- ANT + DUT (Some bull**** that is required for some special hardware that you can connect your phone with)
- ANT HAL Service (This one is a special kind of retarded, uses up to 100mb ram)
- com.facebook.appmanager (for **** sake i don't want facebook running on my phone, i most certainly don't need it using my network connection for what reason ever, let me disable this god damnit)
- com.facebook.system
- com.sec.chromecast.remote.... (WHYY? Send me a free chromecast then it would make sense to leave this on all the time)
- Gear VR Service/SetupwizardStub/Shell (Why Samsung, just why don't you let this stuff to get disabled, i don't have a ****ing Gear VR, can't you stop wasting my battery and ram for this nonsense?)
- Musik (Such critical program, of course it can't be disabled, must also run in background all the time)
- Samsung Keyboard(Well sorry Samsung, i don't want to use this iPhone copy keyboard, why can't i disable it?)
- SIM-Toolkit
Coming from HTC One M7, I am really disapointed of Samsung S6s bloatware. Won't be long before i root this and remove all of this crap, just waiting to make sure that everything works fine with this phone before i kill my warranty.
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You can disable all of those with Package Disabler.
pjs312 said:
You can disable all of those with Package Disabler.
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But you still need root for that
I think there is a memory leak tbh..
swa100 said:
But you still need root for that
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No you don't, I did it without root on mine.
Pretty well the same on note 4.. frack I am comming from nexus with 2gb ram, where even after all installed and runing apps is with 1.5-1.6GB free. And the mighty note 4 is like s6 with 3gb ram.. guess what it is rooted, almost all bloat removed or disabled and still top free mem is 1.2-1.5gb after reboot... what the heck?
This is defenetly my last samsung phone! Do not care even if next s-line or note line is with 10gb ram... samsung guys will fill it up with more bloat.
Cheers
I'm debating between the two. I have a change to get one soon but I'm leaning on keeping the S7e since the U firmware runs well. I also think the S7e looks way better than the XL. It also means giving up SPay, Qi, IP68, compact body,... But Android 7.0 with the new goodies... hmmmm
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Samsung Pay, and the sleek look of the S7edge are the only things that keep me on.
I've never liked the camera UI of vanilla android.... also water resistant, sd card support & big ass battery
wait for the Galaxy S8 edge it will have all the upgraded specs and way more.
to get rid of touchwiz..... in a heartbeat
I'll put an end to this. The S7 Edge has the following advantages over the Pixel XL:
Bigger battery
Edge shortcuts
Waterproof
Better always on display
SD card
Wireless charging
Floating window
Screen gets brighter in daylight and darker at night
Scroll capture
Samsung widgets, magazine, weather, calendar..
Can still use JOD
Can use T-Mobile insurance
Samsung backup
Samsung pay
Better price
Dimensions are way better
As you can see the choice is a no-brainer. Shouldn't even require any thought actually. The only thing the Pixel has is android 7.1 and some software tricks for the camera. 7.1 doesn't do much (I have it on my Nexus) and the photos look better in all lighting conditions on the S7e, even though the Pixel has really great stabilization and is faster at snapping the photo.
The only thing the Pixel has is android 7.1 and some software tricks for the camera.
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...Yeah, what's "real root on a usable kernel" anyway?
DOMF said:
...Yeah, what's "real root on a usable kernel" anyway?
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I don't know why don't you explain to me exactly what you'll be gaining with root. And then explain how that is worth throwing away android pay.
seh6183 said:
I don't know why don't you explain to me exactly what you'll be gaining with root. And then explain how that is worth throwing away android pay.
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Host-file based ad blocking, Xposed and everything that goes along with that, viper, freezing system apps you don't like, DriveDroid...
All for the low low price of "having to swipe a credit card instead of tapping your phone on a thing"
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Host-file based ad blocking, Xposed and everything that goes along with that, viper, freezing system apps you don't like, DriveDroid...
All for the low low price of "having to swipe a credit card instead of tapping your phone on a thing"
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Ad blocking can be done without root.
Viper is buggy and totally unnecessary.
Freezing system apps can be done without root.
DriveDroid? Lol
Xposed is the only decent thing on your list and even it is buggy and questionable.
seh6183 said:
Ad blocking can be done without root.
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Not very effectively
seh6183 said:
Viper is buggy and totally unnecessary.
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Untrue, dont even know where to start on this..
seh6183 said:
Freezing system apps can be done without root.
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Again yea kinda
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Xposed is the only decent thing on your list and even it is buggy and questionable.
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WTF are you even doing on XDA? Are you a shill for closed systems and locked bootloaders? If you are that naive about the benefits of real root then you really should do some homework.
Custom roms
debloating
Overclocking
Expanded app features
Root explorer and the like (and if you say samsungs file manger is good enough I'll beat you with a sack of doorknobs)
Titanium backup
X touchwiz
Feature tweaking and customization
Busybox
Actual Privacy control
Actual control to do what you want with your property
And more, not to mention each of those has a bunch of reasons all their own.
Android and samsung pay and any other mobile pay option are jokes. I have credit cards that also are tap and pay and have been for many years. You feel free to explain why something available in cards already is worth throwing all that away just to put it on a phone that is unless all youre doing is trolling.
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Not very effectively
Untrue, dont even know where to start on this..
Again yea kinda
WTF are you even doing on XDA? Are you a shill for closed systems and locked bootloaders? If you are that naive about the benefits of real root then you really should do some homework.
Custom roms
debloating
Overclocking
Expanded app features
Root explorer and the like (and if you say samsungs file manger is good enough I'll beat you with a sack of doorknobs)
Titanium backup
X touchwiz
Feature tweaking and customization
Busybox
Actual Privacy control
Actual control to do what you want with your property
And more, not to mention each of those has a bunch of reasons all their own.
Android and samsung pay and any other mobile pay option are jokes. I have credit cards that also are tap and pay and have been for many years. You feel free to explain why something available in cards already is worth throwing all that away just to put it on a phone that is unless all youre doing is trolling.
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Ad blocking is not very effective without root? I don't see a single ad, don't have root. Seems pretty effective to me.
I have 180 apps frozen on my phone right now. What is this "kinda" you speak of?
XDA was created when phones NEEDED to be rooted and tweaked just to make them enjoyable. The OEMs are eliminating the need for root one item at a time and eventually it will be totally unnecessary. Believe it or don't but that's reality and it will hit you in the face like a ton of bricks in the next year or two.
Every single thing that you mentioned can be done without root or is unnecessary.
If you have to have those features you mentioned, excellent then go ahead and choose a phone that can be rooted, and root your heart out so you can change the color of your status bar LOL
I personally prefer not to give up things such as Samsung pay. If you cant wrap your head around why Samsung pay is popular and useful then there is nothing I can say to educate you. Maybe you don't even know what mst is? Anyway have fun with whatever it is that you do.
Your arrogance is amazing, do you purport know better than everyone else?
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Ad blocking is not very effective without root? I don't see a single ad, don't have root. Seems pretty effective to me.
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LOL wow so because you dont have any adds that means the method you use is just as good for everyone? If everyone uses your method there would be no adds whatsoever, is that what you are saying?
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I have 180 apps frozen on my phone right now. What is this "kinda" you speak of?
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As for freezing, you cant freeze certain system apps w/o root that's why I said kinda. See how that works? Not to mention the overall problem of freezing instead of removing. But yea keep the bloatware and limit your space.
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XDA was created when phones NEEDED to be rooted and tweaked just to make them enjoyable. The OEMs are eliminating the need for root one item at a time and eventually it will be totally unnecessary. Believe it or don't but that's reality and it will hit you in the face like a ton of bricks in the next year or two.
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As far as you rationale on xda and rooting, OEMs are not eliminating the need for root, otherwise most people wouldnt be on here. And who are you to say what is needed to make other's phones more enjoyable? The fact that people want root is indicative of their need to make modifications to make their phone enjoyable to them. And also is that why the international versions have unlocked bootloaders? To educate you, OEMS lock bootloaders at the request of carriers. Locked bootloaders have been available to be instituted for many years, and seeing as US carriers are starting to utilize them the demand for unlocked phones are increasing.
https://news.samsung.com/global/samsung-introduces-unlocked-galaxy-s7-and-galaxy-s7-edge-in-the-u-s
Samsung even admits it and has released a carrier independent unlocked s7
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Every single thing that you mentioned can be done without root or is unnecessary.
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Again who says its unnecessary? You? Since when do you speak for the majority?
seh6183 said:
If you have to have those features you mentioned, excellent then go ahead and choose a phone that can be rooted, and root your heart out so you can change the color of your status bar LOL
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Again I will and many others will to due to our need to make our phones more enjoyable
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I personally prefer not to give up things such as Samsung pay. If you cant wrap your head around why Samsung pay is popular and useful then there is nothing I can say to educate you.
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AGAIN so... because you have settled on that tradeoff and others dont agree with your opinion, you are saying that we must not be educated? What a narrow world view, agree with everything I say and do or you're wrong and must be corrected. The Nazis had the same idea but took it a step further and eliminated opposition.
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Maybe you don't even know what mst is?
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Do you? Yes I know what MST is, its Samsung's latest push towards wireless payment technology utilizing NFC. And if the merchant doesnt use it then samsung pay will go ahead and use older "Less Secure" Technology or wont work at all resulting in you having to pull out your bank card and use it either by tap and pay, chip or good old fashioned swiping.
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Anyway have fun with whatever it is that you do.
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Yes, I like many others, will keep trying to get real root because of OUR need to make our devices more enjoyable.
Oh and btw I forgot to mention Xposed by itself, does absolutely nothing, its a framework for root apps to make the modifications and in fact most apps are quite stable on real root. Real root enables the users to fix and streamline the performance of their devices not just customize. Like disabling DVFS, odex/deodex, custom kernels, these are not for aesthetic purposes but functional. To make up for problems like this
http://bgr.com/2016/03/25/galaxy-s7-performance-test-us-vs-global-pt-2/
But keep drinking the koolaid and insist that security is paramount to freedom. The establishment will love you for it.
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a bunch of annoying babbling
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Look buddy take a hike. No one cares. Go to a forum for a phone that has "proper root" and tell them about how much you love root and all the cool things you can do with it.
The fact of the matter is, like I've stated before, almost everything can be accomplished without root. I don't need you to believe this for it to be fact.
Go buy the inferior pixel so you can load a custom rom that allows you to have a floating side bar or buggy app addons and then wait for the dev to fix them all.
Either way just go away. This isn't a root thread, it's about the s7e vs the pixel and I've already blown that argument out of the water.
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Look buddy take a hike. No one cares. Go to a forum for a phone that has "proper root" and tell them about how much you love root and all the cool things you can do with it.
The fact of the matter is, like I've stated before, almost everything can be accomplished without root. I don't need you to believe this for it to be fact.
Go buy the inferior pixel so you can load a custom rom that allows you to have a floating side bar or buggy app addons and then wait for the dev to fix them all.
Either way just go away. This isn't a root thread, it's about the s7e vs the pixel and I've already blown that argument out of the water.
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LOL awwwww did I make the troll mad? "the fact of the matter is" I respond with structured facts and refrences, you refuse to refute my points with anything other than a tantrum and unfounded opinions. YOU were the one that tried to act like everything you said was fact with no proof, You began this debate and now that its plain to see that you have no real ground to stand on, you are gonna knock the pieces off the board. And apparently people care, you may not but others do. So your "No one cares" is yet another unfounded opinion that has no basis in truth. And as far as going to a forum where people care about root, I did, that's what XDA is, all of it! Its XDA DEVELOPERS! Maybe you should find a new site to spout your locked bootloader/anti root vitrol and where you can refuse to act like a reasonable adult. LMFAO.
All my ads are blocked.
I can freeze every single process on my phone.
You don't know how mst works.
FAIL.
Im eating popcorn while reading all this.
I would not trade the GS7E for a pixel or any other Google branded phone. Had bad experiences with prior Nexus phones. To put it simply, the plusses of this phone easily outweigh the plusses of the pixel, which really is only that it has stock Android and quick updates. I couldn't care less about root, as another poster stated, ad blocking and freezing apps can be done without. Never had good experiences with xposed. And lastly, if you want the UI to look stock, Samsung good lock has you covered. Overall, this phone doesn't lag, doesn't crash, has excellent battery life, water resistance, and reasonably quick updates. Life is too short to deal with rooting and other nonsense. I want a phone that works with minimal input from me, and this gives me that.
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You don't know how mst works.
FAIL.
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This is literally all I saw...the failure to realise what MST is and/or how it works. NFC is kind of weak...android pay uses it some cards have it the samsung gear s2 watch uses it for sam pay....but mst...mst since nobody wanted to educate the other guy...creates an electromagnetic field of sorts that mimics the magnetic frequency resonance whatever what have you of said card (well actually a secondary card number to protect yours) to emulate a card swipe...works places NOTHING else does..android pay apple pay paypal none of them work because you are in the country somewhere at some hillbilly gasstation that has only a card reader...sam pay will save you. It should even work with square pay readers ?. I will say though...v4a Viper4Android...is VERY useful especially if you are an audiophile. No other app compares...period...coming from someone with an s7e that isnt rooter because i use sam pay. And i must say yea i miss the abilities of a rooted phone...but ive been fine since march without. Also heard tmobile was checking to see if devices were rooted now on insurance....i already cracked my screen once(sparks shooting across the room actually did it)...if thats true i would have been a $$ out if rooted...oh and to answer your question...not in a million years...tmobiles bill credit isnt even enticing enough coupled with the note7 fiasco. Ill be getting the 5.5 s8 or s8e however they will market the moniker as soon as it drops
I didn't want to explain mst to the guy because I was hoping he would continue to live his life believing that mst is just nfc lol
I guess I just don't see what is so great about viper. An equalizer is very important to me but that is built into the apps these days. All the other functions of viper are unimportant to me. I'm not an audiophile so I'm probably missing it, but adding an echo or virtual surround to my music is not important. And I've had bugs and drain with viper before (only on certain devices)