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I have been noticing my tf700 seems inconsistent. Runs smooth sometimes and then laggy and jerky other times. I just got the .22 update and no difference. I have done a couple factory resets and partition cache wipes. I get alot of waits in apps and in the browsers. My tf201 runs much smoother than this.
I went ahead and tried some benchmarks to see if all this was noticed in scores also. I tried these benchmarks before and after reboots and at random times to look for fluctuation. Each time on performance mode. And by golly scores fluctuated alot.
Quadrant 3300 to 5100
Antutu 4600 to 12600
CF-Bench I haven't been over 4700
My tf201 is very consistent. Overclocked to 1.6
Quadrant 4900 to 5200
Antutu 11900 to 12400
CF-Bench 7400 to 7900
Can anyone tell me if they are seeing the same inconsistency, from running great to lag and poor behavior that I'm seeing.
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I have been noticing my tf700 seems inconsistent. Runs smooth sometimes and then laggy and jerky other times. I just got the .22 update and no difference. I have done a couple factory resets and partition cache wipes. I get alot of waits in apps and in the browsers. My tf201 runs much smoother than this.
I went ahead and tried some benchmarks to see if all this was noticed in scores also. I tried these benchmarks before and after reboots and at random times to look for fluctuation. Each time on performance mode. And by golly scores fluctuated alot.
Quadrant 3300 to 5100
Antutu 4600 to 12600
CF-Bench I haven't been over 4700
My tf201 is very consistent. Overclocked to 1.6
Quadrant 4900 to 5200
Antutu 11900 to 12400
CF-Bench 13500 to 14100
Can anyone tell me if they are seeing the same inconsistency, from running great to lag and poor behavior that I'm seeing.
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Yeah it seems to be inconsistent too because it's running a Java virtual machine...
Can you try and install WW firmware update, because I've noticed US firmware update is somehow screwed up.
Also noticed the performance degradation right after using US F/W.
It seems real smooth after flashing JP F/W update (it runs a bit hot too) but I never ran benchmarks on that FW.
So do tell your experiences on other FW updates. And as you can imagine it often run into OOM situations when extensively used.
leroybrute said:
I have been noticing my tf700 seems inconsistent. Runs smooth sometimes and then laggy and jerky other times. I just got the .22 update and no difference. I have done a couple factory resets and partition cache wipes. I get alot of waits in apps and in the browsers. My tf201 runs much smoother than this.
I went ahead and tried some benchmarks to see if all this was noticed in scores also. I tried these benchmarks before and after reboots and at random times to look for fluctuation. Each time on performance mode. And by golly scores fluctuated alot.
Quadrant 3300 to 5100
Antutu 4600 to 12600
CF-Bench I haven't been over 4700
My tf201 is very consistent. Overclocked to 1.6
Quadrant 4900 to 5200
Antutu 11900 to 12400
CF-Bench 7400 to 7900
Can anyone tell me if they are seeing the same inconsistency, from running great to lag and poor behavior that I'm seeing.
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Im thinking the same thing. A lot of waits and hung ups. Not what i was specting from the " top of the line " android. Im guessing is from the i/o
Problem. Im even thinkin to return it n wait. Ive been an asus fan, but they still cant get their !#@&! Together
Redefined301 said:
Yeah it seems to be inconsistent too because it's running a Java virtual machine...
Can you try and install WW firmware update, because I've noticed US firmware update is somehow screwed up.
Also noticed the performance degradation right after using US F/W.
It seems real smooth after flashing JP F/W update (it runs a bit hot too) but I never ran benchmarks on that FW.
So do tell your experiences on other FW updates. And as you can imagine it often run into OOM situations when extensively used.
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I don't understand why JP and WW would be any different than the US version other than language. I haven't tried other versions on my other tablets and to be honest I am hoping Asus gets a fix to us.
What are the differences between the versions?
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Yeah it seems to be inconsistent too because it's running a Java virtual machine...
Can you try and install WW firmware update, because I've noticed US firmware update is somehow screwed up.
Also noticed the performance degradation right after using US F/W.
It seems real smooth after flashing JP F/W update (it runs a bit hot too) but I never ran benchmarks on that FW.
So do tell your experiences on other FW updates. And as you can imagine it often run into OOM situations when extensively used.
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I would like to see if others are seeing the erratic benchmark scores,
leroybrute said:
I don't understand why JP and WW would be any different than the US version other than language. I haven't tried other versions on my other tablets and to be honest I am hoping Asus gets a fix to us.
What are the differences between the versions?
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The japanese, man, they're magicians. Also, I would scream weeaboo at the guy who suggested this if I weren't a weeaboo myself.
lol
Getting very consistent benchmark results. Quadrant around 5000 and antutu around 12500.
Only real issue I have is IO lockups.
I'm on US update.
I hope you understand that the TF201 has been on the market for some time now. That means they have had time to smooth out the bugs....at least the software portion. I have yet to see a real hardware issue so far, so the tablet can really only get better with time, and how much love it gets from Asus. And coming from the TF201, you should know how good Asus is about fixing their software.
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KilerG said:
I hope you understand that the TF201 has been on the market for some time now. That means they have had time to smooth out the bugs....at least the software portion. I have yet to see a real hardware issue so far, so the tablet can really only get better with time, and how much love it gets from Asus. And coming from the TF201, you should know how good Asus is about fixing their software.
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Agreed. That's why I am hanging on to mine. I remember the prime issues. I just wanted to see how many out there are seeing similar issues.
I am however a little shocked that Asus hasn't come any further than this with the software for the Tf700. The firmware on the tf, tf201, and the tf300 are ahead of the firmware on the tf700. How many months have they been working on the tf700?
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Agreed. That's why I am hanging on to mine. I remember the prime issues. I just wanted to see how many out there are seeing similar issues.
I am however a little shocked that Asus hasn't come any further than this with the software for the Tf700. The firmware on the tf, tf201, and the tf300 are ahead of the firmware on the tf700. How many months have they been working on the tf700?
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I know, it's unfortunate, but they'll fix it. They always do.
I just realized last night if I run in balanced mode rather than performance (which I tend to run on out of habit) my tablet runs much smoother. All the benchmarks I run show it also. Even though it needs a fix I am much happier now with a smoother experience.
Redefined301 said:
Yeah it seems to be inconsistent too because it's running a Java virtual machine...
Can you try and install WW firmware update, because I've noticed US firmware update is somehow screwed up.
Also noticed the performance degradation right after using US F/W.
It seems real smooth after flashing JP F/W update (it runs a bit hot too) but I never ran benchmarks on that FW.
So do tell your experiences on other FW updates. And as you can imagine it often run into OOM situations when extensively used.
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I'm on TW and it's been better than .21 WW, but I'm not sure if it's the firmware itself or rather data wipe that helped.
Someone may be able answer but i doubt but i have to ask the question...
Had my tf since november - the business on it as soon as it was out of the box. But no matter what image ive loaded onto it its always been slow ( i think ive tried them all) ie my nexus4 runs greasy smooth compared to my tf, almost to the point that a guy at work gave me a 300 to unlock and his seemed a lot better/smoother/faster than mine....is it just mine or is it the norm
currently im on cyanogen 10.1 latest nightly with the bryce overclocked kernel running at 1.9gb if i was a betting man i would say the nova launcher was running about 10fps with all the special effects off...as a guide...
ps especially the browser - no matter which one it always takes ages to load pages....
Thanks to anyone that can shed any light on it....
I must admit I struggle with your story language-wise, but I think I do get your general statement. CROMI, for example, should run smoothly, no matter what, UNLESS your device is faulty.
I'd recommend wiping EVERYTHING -- so you do not run into remnants form earlier ROMs/installations -- and starting anew with CROMI, just to be sure. Update your bootloader (to the JB version), and then try data2SD if it is still not to your liking.
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I must admit I struggle with your story language-wise, but I think I do get your general statement. CROMI, for example, should run smoothly, no matter what, UNLESS your device is faulty.
I'd recommend wiping EVERYTHING -- so you do not run into remnants form earlier ROMs/installations -- and starting anew with CROMI, just to be sure. Update your bootloader (to the JB version), and then try data2SD if it is still not to your liking.
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And to add to Marty's efforts what ever you do if flashisg from a custom recovery with JB 4.1 or later do not use an older version of any recovery!
Hi - which rom is that...?
I must say im kind of trying that right now....complete wipe, factory reset and then a factory reset from the recovery screen....its auto loading the apps at the moment....thanks for the reply all the same....ive never tried that bit of software that goes on the memory card...is there a walkthrough somewhere?
im pretty sure im on the jb bootloader but is there a way to check??
You can flash the latest bootloader form page 2 of the CleanRom Inheritance thread And CROMI from page 1
Mr read PLZ
As far as I know stock TF700 related ROMs are laggy and require a custom Over clocked kernel such as Clemsyn which is rubbish and even with this performance is sluggish. But her is a way to get rid of the lag once and for all. Unlock and root the TF700. Then install Cyanogenmod 10.1 latest build and then when you boot into it set the IO as CFQ permenantly and then use Seeder with the settings on aggressive and the IO extend option unticked but all the rest of the options ticked. Also use lightning browser or Browser2RAM which enhances the stock Android browsers performance.
After that enjoy a super fast transformer like never before. Don't use any other rom . My transformer got nearly 150000 on Antutu which is really good and I got nearly 5500 on Quadrant with it on performance mode (I didn't use the custom CM10.1 customs kernel or any other one just the stock CM10.1 kernel). My transformer in balanced seems to be on par with an iPad 2, 3 and better than a normal Asus transformer Prime or TF300 and I have over 40 applications with several games with 1+GB data. The IO problem is still there as it is hardware based although with this their is nearly no lag for the first time. Beautiful TF700 CyanogenMod developers. I read the commit log and checked the code many gerrit optimisations for the IO and Armv7 cores. Enjoy!!!!! Wohoo Project Butter!!!!!
Continue Cyanogenmod providing better support than Asus. One reason to jailbreak (Root) is because of this.
coolmsb said:
As far as I know stock TF700 related ROMs are laggy and require a custom Over clocked kernel such as Clemsyn which is rubbish and even with this performance is sluggish. But her is a way to get rid of the lag once and for all. Unlock and root the TF700. Then install Cyanogenmod 10.1 latest build and then when you boot into it set the IO as CFQ permenantly and then use Seeder with the settings on aggressive and the IO extend option unticked but all the rest of the options ticked. Also use lightning browser or Browser2RAM which enhances the stock Android browsers performance.
After that enjoy a super fast transformer like never before. Don't use any other rom . My transformer got nearly 150000 on Antutu which is really good and I got nearly 5500 on Quadrant with it on performance mode (I didn't use the custom CM10.1 customs kernel or any other one just the stock CM10.1 kernel). My transformer in balanced seems to be on par with an iPad 2, 3 and better than a normal Asus transformer Prime or TF300 and I have over 40 applications with several games with 1+GB data. The IO problem is still there as it is hardware based although with this their is nearly no lag for the first time. Beautiful TF700 CyanogenMod developers. I read the commit log and checked the code many gerrit optimisations for the IO and Armv7 cores. Enjoy!!!!! Wohoo Project Butter!!!!!
Continue Cyanogenmod providing better support than Asus. One reason to jailbreak (Root) is because of this.
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Well not to brag but flash CROMI which is based on stock and you can achieve 17000 on antutu and over 7000 on quadrant. So much for stock ROMs being laggy eh?
Now with no overclocking you are looking at 5500 - 6000 on quadrant so would seem to be on par with CM based ROMs. I do like CM but you lose some functionality whilst gaining others and you have to suffer some stability issues especially if doing nightlies. Also they never seem to finish them.....
coolmsb said:
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2164090
This user posted the same response in the above thread also.
Looks to me like someone has an agenda.
Thats OK said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2164090
This user posted the same response in the above thread also.
Looks to me like someone has an agenda.
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Don't you? I know I have!
MartyHulskemper said:
Don't you? I know I have!
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Yes I do
Thats OK said:
Yes I do
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Me three!
CROMI-X 5.2.4 vs Cyanogen Mod 11 nightlies vs Omni Rom 4.4.2 vs CMB beta vs Paranoid Android 3.6 vs PAC- Man 3.99
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T using XDA Premium HD app
I'm sticking with Omni. Smoothest and kitkat. Tried cm11 and cromi-x 5.2 with various kernels
Sent from my ASUS TF700T running OmniROM on Kit Kat!
CalPolyRock said:
I'm sticking with Omni. Smoothest and kitkat. Tried cm11 and cromi-x 5.2 with various kernels
Sent from my ASUS TF700T running OmniROM on Kit Kat!
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Do you have any benchmarks?
Mackis said:
Do you have any benchmarks?
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I used to play with benchmarks, trying out Hunds' & _that's various kernels. But, as most people say, benchmarks don't matter in the long run.
I used to match some of the same benchmarks posted in those threads, but things would still feel slugglish over time or during transitions.
I don't want to wait a few seconds for my keyboard to pop up every time, of for me to switch back to the home screen.
So for me, I want a tablet (and phone) that I don't have to reboot every day. I want it to wake up instantly. Keyboard pop up instantly. Multitask smoothly.
CM11 & Omni seem to do that, while Cromi-X seems to lag no matter that I try or whatever sbdags & co do to tweak the hell out of 4.2.x. Sure, a the IO lag has a lot to do with it, and if I'm downloading a big file or have something installing in the background I will always have lag with this tablet.
But, for now, I'm on Omni and pretty happy. If not, I'd say CM11 is very smooth too.
deadlocked007 said:
So it's just me who finds omni rom extremely laggy? What kernel and mods and stuff are you using???
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I have found all the cm11 based ROMs very laggy so far. They don't seem to be optimised for the tf700t yet. Maybe need a bit more time?
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CalPolyRock said:
I used to play with benchmarks, trying out Hunds' & _that's various kernels. But, as most people say, benchmarks don't matter in the long run.
I used to match some of the same benchmarks posted in those threads, but things would still feel slugglish over time or during transitions.
I don't want to wait a few seconds for my keyboard to pop up every time, of for me to switch back to the home screen.
So for me, I want a tablet (and phone) that I don't have to reboot every day. I want it to wake up instantly. Keyboard pop up instantly. Multitask smoothly.
CM11 & Omni seem to do that, while Cromi-X seems to lag no matter that I try or whatever sbdags & co do to tweak the hell out of 4.2.x. Sure, a the IO lag has a lot to do with it, and if I'm downloading a big file or have something installing in the background I will always have lag with this tablet.
But, for now, I'm on Omni and pretty happy. If not, I'd say CM11 is very smooth too.
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I've made a lot of improvements in CROMi-X 5.3 to combat the lag when something is using the disk in the background. It's a lot better now than it was on the last few versions.
There's never going to be a definite answer on this. How do you define "lag"?
What are you looking for in your rom?
How do you use your tablet?
You just have to try them all and decide for yourself...
I'm always like: ???????????? when someone reports lag on CROMi-X. I just don't get it, because I don't have it.....
I tried CM 10.2 and CM 11 on this tablet and I found them to be slower and (to me more importantly) a hell of a lot buggier than CROMi-X!
But again: I guess not only beauty but also lag and performance is in the eye of the beholder....
sbdags said:
I have found all the cm11 based ROMs very laggy so far. They don't seem to be optimised for the tf700t yet. Maybe need a bit more time?
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I've made a lot of improvements in CROMi-X 5.3 to combat the lag when something is using the disk in the background. It's a lot better now than it was on the last few versions.
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@sbdags did an amazing job with 4.2. So did hunds and _that. No disrespect. Just after running 4.2 for a long time, I'd like to run something newer as long as it's responsive. I don't care about benchmarks as I said before.
I'm hoping sbdags have the chance to do the same with 4.3 or 4.4 if Asus releases it for the 700, or 701 and then back port to the 700.
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@sbdags did an amazing job with 4.2. So did hunds and _that. No disrespect. Just after running 4.2 for a long time, I'd like to run something newer as long as it's responsive. I don't care about benchmarks as I said before.
I'm hoping sbdags have the chance to do the same with 4.3 or 4.4 if Asus releases it for the 700, or 701 and then back port to the 700.
Sent from my SGH-M919 using Tapatalk
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Newer and frankenrom'd doesn't translate into "better" IMHO.. But everybody rolls differently...
sbdags released his beta for the TF701 on 4.3 already. There won't be much porting back though - Tegra4 framework is just too different. But I bet the roms for the Tf701 will be even better because he has so much experience with tweaking the Asus roms
berndblb said:
There's never going to be a definite answer on this. How do you define "lag"?
What are you looking for in your rom?
How do you use your tablet?
You just have to try them all and decide for yourself...
I'm always like: ???????????? when someone reports lag on CROMi-X. I just don't get it, because I don't have it.....
I tried CM 10.2 and CM 11 on this tablet and I found them to be slower and (to me more importantly) a hell of a lot buggier than CROMi-X!
But again: I guess not only beauty but also lag and performance is in the eye of the beholder....
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Have you watched the Google's 2012 I/O keynote where Google introduced Android 4.1 and Project Butter? Google has clearly defined what they perceive as lag in Android as situations where the UI's frame rate drops below 60 fps and you can clearly see stutter in animation, which is why Google also introduced Systrace to profile app performance. If the frame rate drops significantly below 60 fps (which I always encounter in the stock app drawer), you will see things like transition effect stutters when swiping between pages or the laggy fly-in effect when you open the app drawer. If you have a Nexus 10 to compare, the difference in terms of frame rate is so apparent that it is almost impossible not to notice. If someone had a high-end camera that can capture 60 fps or 120fps videos like the one Google used to demo Android 4.1, we could easily capture all these instances of lags on videos and had a more scientific discussion. To me, the Nexus 10 is the gold standard of 10-inch tablet performance and I have yet to see another non-Nexus 10-inch tablet (besides the iPad, if I may) that deliver the same level of performance, regardless of ROMs being used.
Moreover, not to discount the work that the xda community has put into improving performance, there are simply too many ways that you can make an Android device drop frames here and there. Even powerful devices like the Note 3 can fail to deliver constant 60 fps UI frame rate. I'm sure with the right combination of widgets and apps, you can also make the Nexus 10 stutter. Or simply, you can just fill up 90% of the internal storage and watch how the performance degrades. To be honest, it is much harder to believe that there is no lag at all, regardless of devices and ROMs that you use. Even Google said that Project Butter is not perfect and still an ongoing effort.
Lastly, workload can also dramatically affect performance and make instances of lags more noticeable, so your usage pattern is a factor. Personally, even on CROMI-X, my tablet could become really laggy if I used it for my work like the other day, even with only 3 apps in my recent apps list: Adobe Reader to read a big pdf file (a 100-page annual report of a company, with a lot of text and images), the stock Browser to research relevant information with around 10 tabs, one being facebook desktop site (seriously, the facebook desktop site is really terrible on Android), Merriam Webster Dictionary app to look up certain words, all in landscape mode. In that scenario, my tf700 performed just like a big slide show.
+1 all the way.
BUT reg the Nexus: No external storage - no deal. For me......
berndblb said:
+1 all the way.
BUT reg the Nexus: No external storage - no deal. For me......
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I am in the same boat as you, which is why I am very excited to see more of those Google Play Edition devices. I highly doubt that there will ever be a Google Play Edition Transformer tablet, but it would be fantastic to have one.
CMB
I switched from CROMi-X to CMB (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2577165) a couple of days ago and I am really happy with it.
@lj50036 has done a great job and so far I haven't had any issues/sluggishness although it is based off CM11. The dock works like a charm as well
The only thing that did not work was being able to use ART on CMB for me.
Seems everybody is trying out F2FS, but I've been pretty happy with the existing setup on my TF300T. I know it's "flash-friendly" but what exactly does that *mean*? Longer life on my flash memory? Better speed and performance? And if so, are we talking incremental improvement or really noticeable changes? Aside from curiosity, is there really a reason to change it?
Current setup is CM11 with GEASS kernel (not F2FS)
Thanks!
TM
tmoulder said:
Seems everybody is trying out F2FS, but I've been pretty happy with the existing setup on my TF300T. I know it's "flash-friendly" but what exactly does that *mean*? Longer life on my flash memory? Better speed and performance? And if so, are we talking incremental improvement or really noticeable changes? Aside from curiosity, is there really a reason to change it?
Current setup is CM11 with GEASS kernel (not F2FS)
Thanks!
TM
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The lowest Quadrant scores on my TF300 were always the memory and i/o scores. I just upgraded my CROMBi-kk (_that kernel) to F2FS and it bumped those scores up from "disasterous" to something like 5 times what they were before. I don't have my tablet with me to check, but I have definitely noticed an improvement since I made the change.
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The lowest Quadrant scores on my TF300 were always the memory and i/o scores. I just upgraded my CROMBi-kk (_that kernel) to F2FS and it bumped those scores up from "disasterous" to something like 5 times what they were before. I don't have my tablet with me to check, but I have definitely noticed an improvement since I made the change.
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:good: When I moved to F2FS, I saw a pretty significant improvement as well.
although this thread doesn't belong here, in Android Development, and should be in General or Q&A, it is a VERY good question...
For this device (T300T) I have noticed a GREAT improvement in performance. I read in the Nexus 5 (hammerhead) forums that F2FS mainly improved write speed over read.
I read a good deal about Flash Friendly File System, and learned only that much without trying it. I am not always in the mood for doing more research than necessary. . . I learned how to convert to it, how to restore back; the errors that occor and how to correct them; the potential dangers; and then i re read the instructions and the forums regarding them.
On my Nexus 5 I'm amazed at the backup speed in TWRP and have found great performance enhancement, though its a Nexus 5, so its quite difficult to "feel" the difference unless you mess around with your device a ton (kernels roms OC etc) and THEN switch to it.
with this device, I have noticed a near-night and day difference since switching over. All I did was back up my data/media to my microSD and format using GEASS's provided recovery and flashed CM 11 back on and flashed Hardslog's grimlock kernel and then gapps. I used nandroid manager to restore my apps from a nand i made b4hand and copy and pasted whatever files I wanted on my tablet (which were few) internal memory.
Voila! my tab is sexy again.
Not sure about the whole F2FS All thing (reformatting all partitions to f2fs) its mentioned more in the hammerhead forums, and have read mixed reviews.
but its definitely worth a shot if youre not afraid of doing a little bit of reading and a little bit of dirty work, as it is quite beneficial on this tab
the end...for now
I'd like to address what seems to be a significant difference between CM11S (XNPH44S) and CM11 Nightlies (ie. non "S") or other custom ROMS for the OPO.
Now, my observations are based on benchmarks and I know that some claim that benchmarks don't reflect actual user experience. However, I'd love to hear an explanation of the HUGE difference:
Scores on CM11S (XNPH44S) are TWICE as high in Quadrant, and with Antutu around 5000-10000 pts higher than every other custom ROM I've seen, including CM11 Nightlies.
Why is this? Is CM11S using some kernel optimizations that are only possible with the official ROM, perhaps for proprietary reasons?
Would appreciate any insights....