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I just bought this device as a toy and a test as a computer tablet. I found it to be slow and buggy. I do notice that in browsing heavy pages like the real facebook page it IS faster than my Galaxy Note 1 but in almost everything else, the Note is faster and snappier. I have disabled lots of apps, resett it, no change. So my question, I guess this one is really worth rooting and installing a good rom Im used to the Cyanogen to my phones, is Cyanogen working good for this tablet?
Im still marveled by the quality of the screen, I dont think I ever have seen such a good screen! If I just now could get it working somewhat near as good as my Note 1 I will be a happy panda
Thanx in advance peeps
My experience is that it is NOT slow and buggy.
I could compare it with an iPad3 last week and I think they are very close.
You can't compare it with a note because due to the much higher resolution the gpu has to do so much more computing. That is why the nexus7 is faster than the tf700 due to it's smaller screen AND resolution
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I just bought this device as a toy and a test as a computer tablet. I found it to be slow and buggy. I do notice that in browsing heavy pages like the real facebook page it IS faster than my Galaxy Note 1 but in almost everything else, the Note is faster and snappier. I have disabled lots of apps, resett it, no change. So my question, I guess this one is really worth rooting and installing a good rom Im used to the Cyanogen to my phones, is Cyanogen working good for this tablet?
Im still marveled by the quality of the screen, I dont think I ever have seen such a good screen! If I just now could get it working somewhat near as good as my Note 1 I will be a happy panda
Thanx in advance peeps
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I'm on stock rom with browser2ram and force2gpu enabled. My table is very fast. Just remember before you flash a new rom, just do factory reset(data wipe 3 times). Also root is good (allow you to install rooted app like Titinium backup, SetcPU etc..), but don't unlock unless absolutely necessary (void your warranty), or you have time or like to play with custom rom.
Ok, sounds like I will root it then and try to tweak it, Im not satisfied with the speed with it sofar. Its seems stable now after I resetted it, before the reset, it crasched 2-10 times a day. My idea was that since the GPU and CPU is older in the Note, The Tegra 3 would be able to handle the FullHD resolution but it doesnt seem to .. I definatly want a ROM without the garbage crap
I plan to use it to write alot on, can you recommend a good office app? Or a browser that google docs work good with
Is games running good for you?? The new demanding ones I tried before resetting was really slow and laggy.
Thanx for the replys, I hope I get this baby running smoother
hobs0n said:
Ok, sounds like I will root it then and try to tweak it, Im not satisfied with the speed with it sofar. Its seems stable now after I resetted it, before the reset, it crasched 2-10 times a day. My idea was that since the GPU and CPU is older in the Note, The Tegra 3 would be able to handle the FullHD resolution but it doesnt seem to .. I definatly want a ROM without the garbage crap
I plan to use it to write alot on, can you recommend a good office app? Or a browser that google docs work good with
Is games running good for you?? The new demanding ones I tried before resetting was really slow and laggy.
Thanx for the replys, I hope I get this baby running smoother
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Yes, all games, videos, pictures, and documents and apps are function normally. There are 3 most popular office apps:
1. Documents to go (this can view google docs also. Paid version only)
2. Kingsoft office
3. Polaris office (currently polaris has a bug with fonts).
My stock browser can view google docs fine. I think stock browser is the best in my opinion (have tried boat, chrome, mozilla etc...)
hobs0n said:
My idea was that since the GPU and CPU is older in the Note, The Tegra 3 would be able to handle the FullHD resolution but it doesnt seem to .. I definatly want a ROM without the garbage crap
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The Infinity's performance is not CPU bound and is not due to the higher res. It's I/O limited. The CPU is plenty fast enough. As soon as the memory config requires the system to start hitting the /sdcard memory, the system will be subject to random stuttering/pausing because the sdcard memory is the cheapest, slowest, crappiest flash RAM ASUS could find.
This is why stuff like browser2ram is seen as a huge boost for people that do a lot of browsing and it is also why the stuttering varies from user to user/session to session since the RAM situation in the system varies from config to config and moment to moment during use. Some users who's config has a lot of free DRAM and do not frequently use stuff that hits the sdcard partition hard, see almost no performance issues with the tablet.
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The Infinity's performance is not CPU bound and is not due to the higher res. It's I/O limited. The CPU is plenty fast enough. As soon as the memory config requires the system to start hitting the /sdcard memory, the system will be subject to random stuttering/pausing because the sdcard memory is the cheapest, slowest, crappiest flash RAM ASUS could find.
This is why stuff like browser2ram is seen as a huge boost for people that do a lot of browsing and it is also why the stuttering varies from user to user/session to session since the RAM situation in the system varies from config to config and moment to moment during use. Some users who's config has a lot of free DRAM and do not frequently use stuff that hits the sdcard partition hard, see almost no performance issues with the tablet.
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Well,
I guess I'm going to do the downgrade to ICS .30\root\then try the rootkreeper deal back to Belly Jean.
I really don't want to go thru all this, but if I want to keep chipping away trying to find a better Android experience then so be it.
Pain in the ass...
Thanx for the info! That was my biggest thoughts about the Infinity, "is the RAM enough?" and it isnt but then Ill just have to multitask less and try to tweak it. And perhaps dont install multipicture wallpaper.. but thats one of the things that I love about my Note
buhoitr: thanx for the suggestions, Ill try them and see
What rom would you suggest for getting the most out of the Infinity?
zenaxe said:
The Infinity's performance is not CPU bound and is not due to the higher res. It's I/O limited. The CPU is plenty fast enough. As soon as the memory config requires the system to start hitting the /sdcard memory, the system will be subject to random stuttering/pausing because the sdcard memory is the cheapest, slowest, crappiest flash RAM ASUS could find.
This is why stuff like browser2ram is seen as a huge boost for people that do a lot of browsing and it is also why the stuttering varies from user to user/session to session since the RAM situation in the system varies from config to config and moment to moment during use. Some users who's config has a lot of free DRAM and do not frequently use stuff that hits the sdcard partition hard, see almost no performance issues with the tablet.
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hobs0n said:
I just bought this device as a toy and a test as a computer tablet. I found it to be slow and buggy. I do notice that in browsing heavy pages like the real facebook page it IS faster than my Galaxy Note 1 but in almost everything else, the Note is faster and snappier. I have disabled lots of apps, resett it, no change. So my question, I guess this one is really worth rooting and installing a good rom Im used to the Cyanogen to my phones, is Cyanogen working good for this tablet?
Im still marveled by the quality of the screen, I dont think I ever have seen such a good screen! If I just now could get it working somewhat near as good as my Note 1 I will be a happy panda
Thanx in advance peeps
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Hmmm, I've found mine to be quick and virtually bug-free, but then again I didn't buy it as a toy.
A little tweaking and I wouldn't call it slow. Even stock its a solid piece of equipment.
Apply data2sd mod built for CleanROM 2 after installing the ROM. You'll need a fast sd card.
Research the threads. The blob for data2sd for that ROM was just posted today.
look at my I/O!
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I own both the Infinity and the Acer a700 and after the a700 got JB earlier today, I will say that the Infinity lags more than the a700 (and I was very happy with the Infinity). Colour me shocked.
The only time I really ever experience any lag or sluggishness is when browsing. I will be rooting once there is a method discovered for Jelly Bean on the Infinity. I'd really like to give browser2ram a shot. I've heard it does wonders for browsing.
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Better than ever
Before i say thing, I will list the important things about my tablet - C7 model, Has been repaired for speaker issues & Jelly bean 4.1.1. I'd say TF700T is a powerful device, It lacks the software for it. I use to notice quiet a bit of lag on ICS but after upgraded to Jelly bean, It's faster than ever! I would even compare it to iPad 3:laugh: I'm running Stock Jelly bean with a bit of removing apps here and there.
I Don't know why everyone is having problems with such a decent device.
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Before i say thing, I will list the important things about my tablet - C7 model, Has been repaired for speaker issues & Jelly bean 4.1.1. I'd say TF700T is a powerful device, It lacks the software for it. I use to notice quiet a bit of lag on ICS but after upgraded to Jelly bean, It's faster than ever! I would even compare it to iPad 3:laugh: I'm running Stock Jelly bean with a bit of removing apps here and there.
I Don't know why everyone is having problems with such a decent device.
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I you guys would read the Development section (read the newer threads, please) you would see that CleanROM2.2 has pretty much completely eliminated the lag and i/o issues. It's reason enough to root and unlock. This tablet is a beast when it is allowed to begin to reach its full potential.
okantomi said:
I you guys would read the Development section (read the newer threads, please) you would see that CleanROM2.2 has pretty much completely eliminated the lag and i/o issues. It's reason enough to root and unlock. This tablet is a beast when it is allowed to begin to reach its full potential.
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Im rooted and installed CleanRom2.2 this morning and it is indeed faster and smoother i will try the tweaking you guys suggested later. It still lagged when i downloaded my spotify playlists while i was downloading youtube movies tho
okantomi said:
I you guys would read the Development section (read the newer threads, please) you would see that CleanROM2.2 has pretty much completely eliminated the lag and i/o issues. It's reason enough to root and unlock. This tablet is a beast when it is allowed to begin to reach its full potential.
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I think CleanROM 2.2 is the route I'm going to go too...that's if I can figure out how to do it without asking a bunch of dumbs**t questions.
Still reading about it in development.
I'm getting more and more disappointed with this TF700T each time I turn it on lately...
Did really dig it for a while...not anymore
Will i unlock? No...
Thats OK said:
I think CleanROM 2.2 is the route I'm going to go too...that's if I can figure out how to do it without asking a bunch of dumbs**t questions.
Still reading about it in development.
I'm getting more and more disappointed with this TF700T each time I turn it on lately...
Did really dig it for a while...not anymore
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If it was really laggy and something that i can't deal with i would unlock but since it feels flawless, I might stay. I don't give a crap about their warranty but i do care for my device (brick)
ExjeetzZ said:
I use to notice quiet a bit of lag on ICS but after upgraded to Jelly bean, It's faster than ever!
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It's the total opposite for me. ICS was fast and virtually lag-free. The latest updates to Jellybean my Infinity lags like nobody's business. Very disappointing. Looks like root'n'rom time.
buhohitr said:
I'm on stock rom with browser2ram and force2gpu enabled.
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What is force2gpu?
(google seems to give irrelevant results).
Thx
squigs said:
What is force2gpu?
(google seems to give irrelevant results).
Thx
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If I may attempt an answer,
I believe that's a reference to the "force gpu rendering" in settings under developer options.
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My TF700t is still stock. One thing that bugs me is how slow it is! Choppy, loads apps kinda slow. Will rooting and using a custom ROM speed things up?
Also ---- I read on here that custom ROMs put the navigation buttons in the middle? Is that true?
Thanks for you help!
Rooting allows certain apps that will speed the tablet up. Installing a custom rom will increase the speed of the tablet tremendously,however to do so you must unlock your bootloader which then voids the warranty on your tablet. If you install a 4.2.x rom yes it will move the navigation buttons into the middle, however not all roms are 4.2 yet. When ASUS releases 4.2.1 for the tf700 they will have it optioned to switch between layouts, which will be implemented into Cromi when it is update, is what I guess will happen. So you will have the choice. But you wont be forced to use the new layout.
Tylor
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Rom: Cyanogen Nightlies 10.1 or CleanRom 3.4.4 - Depends on the mood .
PaulQ602 said:
My TF700t is still stock. One thing that bugs me is how slow it is! Choppy, loads apps kinda slow. Will rooting and using a custom ROM speed things up?
Also ---- I read on here that custom ROMs put the navigation buttons in the middle? Is that true?
Thanks for you help!
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If you root it, you can install Browser 2 Ram and that will help with the browser lag.
To install a custom ROM you will have to unlock the bootloader, which will void your warranty -for good!
And it can make all the difference...
I was frustrated and disappointed with the TF700 until I unlocked and flashed CROMI -now I adore it!
Each custom ROM is slightly different. What you are referring to may be the 4.2. launcher which puts the soft key buttons in the middle.
There is no 4.2. stock or custom Rom for the TF 700 yet. But the 4.2. release for the TF 300 lets you choose between the 4.1. and 4.2. launcher. I would expect it to be the same once we get 4.2.
But then... I would not touch 4.2. unless it's been CROMI'd
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berndblb said:
If you root it, you can install Browser 2 Ram and that will help with the browser lag.
To install a custom ROM you will have to unlock the bootloader, which will void your warranty -for good!
And it can make all the difference...
I was frustrated and disappointed with the TF700 until I unlocked and flashed CROMI -now I adore it!
Each custom ROM is slightly different. What you are referring to may be the 4.2. launcher which puts the soft key buttons in the middle.
There is no 4.2. stock or custom Rom for the TF 700 yet. But the 4.2. release for the TF 300 lets you choose between the 4.1. and 4.2. launcher. I would expect it to be the same one we get 4.2.
But then... I would not touch 4.2. unless it's been CROMI'd
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Cyanogen is 4.2.2. and I also expect they give the tf700 users the option between the 4.1 layout and the 4.2 layout, or I'll be stuck of 4.1.1 for awhile. lol
Tylor
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Rom: Cyanogen Nightlies 10.1 or CleanRom 3.4.4 - Depends on the mood .
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Cyanogen is 4.2.2. and I also expect they give the tf700 users the option between the 4.1 layout and the 4.2 layout, or I'll be stuck of 4.1.1 for awhile .
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Won't be too long. My bet is, Asus releases 4.2. for the TF700 within the next 3-4 months. Then the only question is what the bootloader will look like and how long it will take sbdags and _that to create a CROMI version...
I'm not in a hurry. Entirely happy with what I got right now
And actually.... I'm so contend right now, 4.2 is going to have to have some serious candy to make me move....
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PaulQ602 said:
My TF700t is still stock. One thing that bugs me is how slow it is! Choppy, loads apps kinda slow. Will rooting and using a custom ROM speed things up?
Also ---- I read on here that custom ROMs put the navigation buttons in the middle? Is that true?
Thanks for you help!
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Short answer: yes it makes everything MUCH faster!
Certainly if you would run a custom rom on it
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And actually.... I'm so contend right now, 4.2 is going to have to have some serious candy to make me move....
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If the best they can do is that multi-user capability, I will probably stick to CROMI 3.4.4 as well -- at least we have very little known bugs whereas a new 4.2 stock ROM might bring unknown new and fresh ones. Ugh. Another boatload of work for sbdags and _that...
One thing rooting does is give you the authority to define which apps load on boot (startups). This is huge since you can disable most of these and get back tons more RAM after boot, which is the main reason this device is so glitchy in my opinion - lack of sufficient RAM. Phones run strong in 1GB RAM. Tablets do not. Because you typically load so many more apps on the tablet, all the RAM is gone by the time you boot. And when its gets low on RAM, all hell breaks loose. Not to mention the lag, if thats not bad enought, but 25 apps just can't run together properly in 250MB of space. Now try 260 user apps like I have and you'll agree you have to root.
After rooting and tweeking I now get about 500MB of free RAM after boot and use RAM booster (by Root Uninstaller) to manage and autoboost my RAM regularly. Its now fast, reliable, and runs all week without ever random rebooting like it used to do all the time. Also, Dev Options, enabling "Force GPU rendering" is highly recommended.
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VERY interesting discussion. I think I might do it. Excellent feedback! Much appreciated!
Unlocked. Rooted. ROM'd.
I feel like such a rebel! So much for the warranty.
Not sure I notice the speed up yet but I haven't used it enough. Went with CROMI.
:good:
elfaure said:
One thing rooting does is give you the authority to define which apps load on boot (startups). This is huge since you can disable most of these and get back tons more RAM after boot, which is the main reason this device is so glitchy in my opinion - lack of sufficient RAM. Phones run strong in 1GB RAM. Tablets do not. Because you typically load so many more apps on the tablet, all the RAM is gone by the time you boot. And when its gets low on RAM, all hell breaks loose. Not to mention the lag, if thats not bad enought, but 25 apps just can't run together properly in 250MB of space. Now try 260 user apps like I have and you'll agree you have to root.
After rooting and tweeking I now get about 500MB of free RAM after boot and use RAM booster (by Root Uninstaller) to manage and autoboost my RAM regularly. Its now fast, reliable, and runs all week without ever random rebooting like it used to do all the time. Also, Dev Options, enabling "Force GPU rendering" is highly recommended.
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I'm going to go ahead and add to the countless times this has been said aready, just for the record, and for the future readers of this thread.
1. Free RAM is wasted RAM.
2. I had a lot of apps installed, but I didn't get past the 130 mark. Who the Hell has so many apps in use anyway? This is an invalid remark, im ny opinion, for it has absolutely no bearing on the device's capabilities, but only says something about the owner. With that kind of number of apps installed, you make it impssible for ANdroid to manage your memory.
I haven't rooted my device yet but when you root it you can use programs that allow you to speed your phone up (battery drain)
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Hey all -
I have been a Transformer (and modding) fan since my TF101, and I just leapt from a TF201 to the infinity.
I'm not sure quite what I was expecting, but I surely wasn't expecting it to be slower. Responses to screen taps and swipes are very delayed, to the point where it's extremely annoying.
This is all subjective, I realize, but I was wondering if this is a widespread thing or if I should try to RMA it.
I had heard that CROMi-X was the rom to have, so I flashed 4.6.7.
I had also heard that the GPU was an ass-kicker, so I put on my favorite piece of eye-candy (that I've purchased) which is "Asphalt 7: Heat." - and it ran DOG SLOW, and wasn't particularly candy-ish.
Well, maybe that's an exaggeration, but having the 201 and 700 side-by-side (literally, driving one with each hand, and poorly at that) the 700 was choppy and would pause every so often. It took MUCH longer to load, too.
So I was unhappy.
I read about the slow internal I/O and re-flashed with a Data2SD option, formatted the microcard, the whole nine yards, and it didn't really get any better. fsync is turned OFF.
I side-graded to the older CleanROM Inheritance 3.4.7, and it actually seems SLIGHTLY better, but the UI has a tendency to be very laggy.
I'm going to try "AndroWook" next, I had that on my Prime with good success.
I've googled and found plenty, plenty plenty of people who have a problem with the TF700 and its speed, which is really disappointing because it's supposed to be the top of the line.
So.. is anyone out there really HAPPY with their TF700? Is it zippy and satisfying? What ROM are you using?
Maybe I'll try to unload it on craigslist and go back to the TF201. It has lower "Androbench" marks, but is crazy more responsive.
*shrug*
I'd love to hear anyone's thoughts...
R
Just learned about 'lagfix.'
Gonna try that.
Is 4.1.1 better performance? I realize it'd technically be a step backwards...
rprussell said:
Just learned about 'lagfix.'
Gonna try that.
Is 4.1.1 better performance? I realize it'd technically be a step backwards...
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I'm still using 4.1.1. I run Cromi 3.4.6 with Hund's kernel 2.2, along with most of the tweaks found here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2232715). I am not running data2sd and my CPU/GPU profiles are not as aggressive. Apparently some people have been getting bootloops after applying these tweaks but I've never had it.
I've tried 4.2 several times (with different versions of Cromi-X) but usually come back to 4.1.1 within a day because it seems to run better.
Having said this, I think "lags" can be quite subjective - I personally think my tf700 is zippy but perhaps you wouldn't agree.
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Hey all -
I have been a Transformer (and modding) fan since my TF101, and I just leapt from a TF201 to the infinity.
I'm not sure quite what I was expecting, but I surely wasn't expecting it to be slower. Responses to screen taps and swipes are very delayed, to the point where it's extremely annoying.
This is all subjective, I realize, but I was wondering if this is a widespread thing or if I should try to RMA it.
I had heard that CROMi-X was the rom to have, so I flashed 4.6.7.
I had also heard that the GPU was an ass-kicker, so I put on my favorite piece of eye-candy (that I've purchased) which is "Asphalt 7: Heat." - and it ran DOG SLOW, and wasn't particularly candy-ish.
Well, maybe that's an exaggeration, but having the 201 and 700 side-by-side (literally, driving one with each hand, and poorly at that) the 700 was choppy and would pause every so often. It took MUCH longer to load, too.
So I was unhappy.
I read about the slow internal I/O and re-flashed with a Data2SD option, formatted the microcard, the whole nine yards, and it didn't really get any better. fsync is turned OFF.
I side-graded to the older CleanROM Inheritance 3.4.7, and it actually seems SLIGHTLY better, but the UI has a tendency to be very laggy.
I'm going to try "AndroWook" next, I had that on my Prime with good success.
I've googled and found plenty, plenty plenty of people who have a problem with the TF700 and its speed, which is really disappointing because it's supposed to be the top of the line.
So.. is anyone out there really HAPPY with their TF700? Is it zippy and satisfying? What ROM are you using?
Maybe I'll try to unload it on craigslist and go back to the TF201. It has lower "Androbench" marks, but is crazy more responsive.
*shrug*
I'd love to hear anyone's thoughts...
R
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It is odd. With what you said, your TF700 should be very smooth unless there is a hardware problem Did you try a clean install? BTW, if you reinstall again, I would recommend that you should use Cromi X V4.6.5 instead of 4.6.7.
For some reason when I used the Advanced Wipe and wiped everything in TWRP. I still found some old files on my internal SD. However, when I used a formatted option, everything was gone and clean. Maybe you should do that. Also if you use Data2Ram, you should reformat your MicroSD as the same time with your clean install. A combination of Fsync Off, D2R, and Cromi X should work very well. My kernel is Hund's V3.0.6 with OC of 1.4G CPU, 520M GPU for Power Saving, 1.6G CPU, 600M GPU for Normal, and 1.8G CPU, 650M GPU for my Performance with UV about 35mV. My quandrant scores are 5800 for Power Saving = Game Mode, 6400 for Normal = Normal Activities, and 7000s for Performance = Browsing and streaming movies. Please report back if you decide to do a clean install, thanks and good lucks.
Here are my settings and quadrant scores using Hund 2.2:
Power Saving - GPU 650Mhz, CPU 1.45/1.4Ghz - Quadrant 5331
Balanced - GPU 700Mhz, CPU 1.65/1.6Ghz - Quadrant 6336
Performance - GPu 775Mhz, CPU 1.85/1.8 Ghz - Quadrant 7005
Personally I take the quadrant scores with a grain of salt because I've had setups where the scores were better but the tablet was not as responsive. I mostly run on Power Saving mode without any problems.
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Did you try a clean install? BTW, if you reinstall again, I would recommend that you should use Cromi X V4.6.5 instead of 4.6.7.
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Several totally clean installs at this point.
AndroWook was bust, it didn't even get past the "ASUS" logo.
I'm back to Cromi 3.4.7 with _that's kernel 3.1.10. A lot of folks are mentioning Hund 2.2, perhaps I'll try overlaying that now.
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Having said this, I think "lags" can be quite subjective - I personally think my tf700 is zippy but perhaps you wouldn't agree.
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I totally agree. I added a bunch of the PimpMyRom tweaks and rebooted. I'm letting it settle down and then going to see what's what.
I can't get the GPU overclock to take, though. I think I've mounted the FS r/w and I'm editing the GPU cap files to contain 1460 as directed, but the next time I open the file it's back to 1300. Weird.
So, my Quadrant score after all the tweaks were put in, on "Balanced," is 5266. On "Performance," it's 5139.
Erugh?
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So, my Quadrant score after all the tweaks were put in, on "Balanced," is 5266. On "Performance," it's 5139.
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Strange. I get 5200 in balanced mode without any special tweaks, and over 6000 in performance mode with fsync off.
The general user experience is acceptable, but not exceptionally smooth - lost frames in animations are common, but there are no long waiting times anywhere.
_that said:
Strange. I get 5200 in balanced mode without any special tweaks, and over 6000 in performance mode with fsync off.
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Did I mention I also have fsync off?
('Coz I do.)
Maybe it's faulty, which would make me sad because I doubt I can return it what with unlocking and flashing the crapola out of it. Hm hm.
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I can't get the GPU overclock to take, though. I think I've mounted the FS r/w and I'm editing the GPU cap files to contain 1460 as directed, but the next time I open the file it's back to 1300. Weird.
So, my Quadrant score after all the tweaks were put in, on "Balanced," is 5266. On "Performance," it's 5139.
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That is really odd. Unfortunately my knowledge of tweaking is entirely based on following other people's instructions so I don't know why the GPU changes are not taking. Are your CPU changes taking? Did you follow the instructions on init.d scripts/enabling his voltage table and governor tweaks?
Here's are my cpu.sh files. I switched the profile for powering saving mode and balanced mode because the tablet always defaults to balanced mode.
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Also, when I made the profile too aggressive (too high on CPU or GPU), the tablet got way hot and my quadrant score dropped. Since our tablets are all different on the amount of overclocking they can handle, maybe you're pushing your tablet too much. Have you tried easing down on overclocking?
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Here are my settings and quadrant scores using Hund 2.2:
Power Saving - GPU 650Mhz, CPU 1.45/1.4Ghz - Quadrant 5331
Balanced - GPU 700Mhz, CPU 1.65/1.6Ghz - Quadrant 6336
Performance - GPu 775Mhz, CPU 1.85/1.8 Ghz - Quadrant 7005
Personally I take the quadrant scores with a grain of salt because I've had setups where the scores were better but the tablet was not as responsive. I mostly run on Power Saving mode without any problems.
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LOL I totally agreed with on that. :laugh: However, I still think that it is better with some numbers as references others than words lags, smooth, choppy, slow, fast, and so on. :good: It is just my way of explanations.
This might be my final entry - after doing the PMR tweaks, and flashing Hund 2.2 (no offense, _that ) the Quadrant score in Performance mode is ... uh.. well, indeterminate because suddenly I can't attach to our wifi. Sigh. Perhaps I overtweaked.
Although, Asphalt ran VERY smoothly. I credit the GPU overclock, in combination with assigning all the 2D stuff to the GPU.
Yeah, definitely. After flashing hund 2.2, it won't acquire an IP address.
Today is surely an interesting day.
rprussell said:
This might be my final entry - after doing the PMR tweaks, and flashing Hund 2.2 (no offense, _that ) the Quadrant score in Performance mode is ... uh.. well, indeterminate because suddenly I can't attach to our wifi. Sigh. Perhaps I overtweaked.
Although, Asphalt ran VERY smoothly. I credit the GPU overclock, in combination with assigning all the 2D stuff to the GPU.
Yeah, definitely. After flashing hund 2.2, it won't acquire an IP address.
Today is surely an interesting day.
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You probably have problems because of PMR tweaks I remember I also had wifi issues after PMR and I think I didn't enable all the tweaks in the guide. Try PMR recovery where it restores all your previous settings-it should restore your wifi. If not, then maybe a clean install of Cromi and then doing the init.d/Hund/CPU/GPU tweaks should give you quite a bit of performance boost.
Hope by "final entry" you don't mean you're giving up!
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You probably have problems because of PMR tweaks I remember I also had wifi issues after PMR and I think I didn't enable all the tweaks in the guide. Try PMR recovery where it restores all your previous settings-it should restore your wifi. If not, then maybe a clean install of Cromi and then doing the init.d/Hund/CPU/GPU tweaks should give you quite a bit of performance boost.
Hope by "final entry" you don't mean you're giving up!
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Yeah, it seems as if the "Fast DNS" internet tweak means it has somehow thrown off DHCP.
I'm connected to the wifi AP, but I get no IP address, etc.
I guess I'll flash the recovery thing. Darn, everything but that was working great
No, I had meant to say 'final entry' insofar as I was finally happy with it - but while i was typing it, I wanted to put in the Quadrant score, and then I realize I couldn't connect to the website, and then I realized I had no IP, and here we are.
So that post sort of morphed as I was typing...
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I guess I'll flash the recovery thing. Darn, everything but that was working great
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Huh.
Wont' flash, at least not with twrp 2.4.4.0
Growf.
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Huh.
Wont' flash, at least not with twrp 2.4.4.0
Growf.
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Which is just as well, since when I rebooted I had an IP again.
Recovery image went south too, and I had to re-flash that via adb.
There is truly some weird stuff happening here.
Anyway, the quadrant score - now on "Performance" because I swapped cpu2 and cpu3, what a great idea - is...
IS.....
IS.....
5057.
Ah, the hell with it.
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Which is just as well, since when I rebooted I had an IP again.
Recovery image went south too, and I had to re-flash that via adb.
There is truly some weird stuff happening here.
Anyway, the quadrant score - now on "Performance" because I swapped cpu2 and cpu3, what a great idea - is...
IS.....
IS.....
5057.
Ah, the hell with it.
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Wow, that is just odd. Does the tablet get really hot when you run quadrant? It might be that the GPU/CPU settings are too high. Hope actual performance is still working out for you.
And as for recovery, I meant running the rescue package inside PMR that "un-pimps" the rom. Thinking back on when I installed the tweaks, I think I did everything mentioned in PMR except for Network & Internet mods. And I love the xloud mod!
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Wow, that is just odd. Does the tablet get really hot when you run quadrant? It might be that the GPU/CPU settings are too high. Hope actual performance is still working out for you.
And as for recovery, I meant running the rescue package inside PMR that "un-pimps" the rom. Thinking back on when I installed the tweaks, I think I did everything mentioned in PMR except for Network & Internet mods. And I love the xloud mod!
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It was pretty warm, yeah. I knocked the cpu back from 1900mhz to 1800mhz - which doesn't seem to matter since according to the little floating CPU monitor I have ("Cool Tool") it's never going over 1600mhz anyway.
I mean, I've got PMR trying to control stuff on one hand, the built-in "Power Saving/Balanced/performance" thing on the other, and also "Trickster Mod"
Idunno.
It does seem perkier after all this, so maybe it doesn't matter.
I wish Quadrant would let me see my score without hitting the internet though. I backed off the voltages by 0.025v per speed, and came up with 5499 this time. Although I don't know whether that's "performance" or what.
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It was pretty warm, yeah. I knocked the cpu back from 1900mhz to 1800mhz - which doesn't seem to matter since according to the little floating CPU monitor I have ("Cool Tool") it's never going over 1600mhz anyway.
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Did you use Hundsbuah's app to set whatever parameters need to be set?
Sorry for not being more specific, I have no experience with it, I just know Hundsbuah didn't only add awesome overclocking features into his kernel, but he also wrote an app to control it.
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I mean, I've got PMR trying to control stuff on one hand, the built-in "Power Saving/Balanced/performance" thing on the other, and also "Trickster Mod"
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And this is in addition to changing cpu#.ch files? I wonder if you've got too many cooks in the kitchen.
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It does seem perkier after all this, so maybe it doesn't matter.
I wish Quadrant would let me see my score without hitting the internet though. I backed off the voltages by 0.025v per speed, and came up with 5499 this time. Although I don't know whether that's "performance" or what.
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Is Asphalt still running better than before? I think the most important thing is that the applications you use are running smoothly and not upsetting you that (1) you spent $$$ on the tablet, (2) you spent a lot of time tweaking the tablet, and (3) you're not getting the performance you want.
I once spent a few hours tweaking CPU/GPU to figure out how I can maximize Quadrant score and what I came away from it is that high score doesn't matter if the tablet is getting way to hot for comfort and that low score doesn't matter if the tablet is running to my satisfaction. I almost never change my power setting and that means my score is probably around 5300, but I still like how the tablet responds.
Anyways, hope your tablet's running better than before and good luck with any additional tweaking! :victory:
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Did you use Hundsbuah's app to set whatever parameters need to be set?
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Well.. that's just madness.
No, I was not. I had these other tools and was messing with those.
Might be time to re-flash the kernel again.
I've had my tf700 for about a year now but have struggled making it usable due to the awful lag it always tends to have, I have rooted, unlocked, and rommed it with cm 10.1. i also have tried using apps such as seeder and autokiller memory optimizer as they help a lot with my razr maxx but nothing seems to help it. ive done countless factory resets and done every combination of performance options baked into CM 10.1.
is there another rom i should try? or any way to allow it to use different I/O schedulers (thinking SIO) or cpu governers? (thinking smartass or interactivex) or should i try to overclock it somehow??
i just find it very sad that my OG Xoom performs superior to this "super tablet" in every single way.
i absolutely love all ASUS products and love the tf700! i just need help!
thanks for any advice
-b
bschmidy10 said:
I've had my tf700 for about a year now but have struggled making it usable due to the awful lag it always tends to have, I have rooted, unlocked, and rommed it with cm 10.1. i also have tried using apps such as seeder and autokiller memory optimizer as they help a lot with my razr maxx but nothing seems to help it. ive done countless factory resets and done every combination of performance options baked into CM 10.1.
is there another rom i should try? or any way to allow it to use different I/O schedulers (thinking SIO) or cpu governers? (thinking smartass or interactivex) or should i try to overclock it somehow??
i just find it very sad that my OG Xoom performs superior to this "super tablet" in every single way.
i absolutely love all ASUS products and love the tf700! i just need help!
thanks for any advice
-b
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you could upgrade to cm 10.2 and see if that works for you.
or just go with cromi-x rom. lots of tweaks and options, great performance and multiple kernels to choose from (with cpu governor options and overclock)
in my opinion autokiller and the so called ram optimizers dont help. sometimes i feel like they lower the performance... cromi-x already has most of these tweaks aniway.
the lag transcends all the roms I've tried so far ( stock, cm 10.1 , 10.1.2 both stable and nightlies) I don't believe 10.2 is ready for the tf700 yet? I will try chromi x soon I guess. Any special requirements? Or just flash thru twrp?
Thank for the help.
-b
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bschmidy10 said:
the lag transcends all the roms I've tried so far ( stock, cm 10.1 , 10.1.2 both stable and nightlies) I don't believe 10.2 is ready for the tf700 yet? I will try chromi x soon I guess. Any special requirements? Or just flash thru twrp?
Thank for the help.
-b
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You need to do a factory reset and flash with TWRP. Good luck.. :fingers-crossed:
thanks!! i'll let you know how it went tomorrow
*** should i just flash the deodexed rom itself? or any additional zips as well? I.E. gapps, "kernel installer 4.0.3?"
thanks again for the help guys
-b
bschmidy10 said:
thanks!! i'll let you know how it went tomorrow
*** should i just flash the deodexed rom itself? or any additional zips as well? I.E. gapps, "kernel installer 4.0.3?"
thanks again for the help guys
-b
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ODEX, DEODEX - doesn't really matter after the first apps updating. sbdags, the dev, reports DEODEX to tend to slow down after some time. I tend to stick with ODEX.
No need to flash anything else as long as you are on the 10.6.1.14.4 or .8 bootloader and TWRP 2.5 or 2.6.
The kernel installer is optional, makes it fast and easy to try different kernels.
But as mentioned before, you have to do a clean install coming from CM.
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berndblb said:
ODEX, DEODEX - doesn't really matter after the first apps updating. sbdags, the dev, reports DEODEX to tend to slow down after some time. I tend to stick with ODEX.
No need to flash anything else as long as you are on the 10.6.1.14.4 or .8 bootloader and TWRP 2.5 or 2.6.
The kernel installer is optional, makes it fast and easy to try different kernels.
But as mentioned before, you have to do a clean install coming from CM.
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sorry if im being lazy... but how do i know what bootloader im on? i know i have twrp 2.5.0.0 installed and the device is unlocked but im not sure about bootloader.
doing a clean install is no problem, but do you mean do a factory reset from TWRP or entirely wipe the whole rom slot?
and does the kernel installer flash just like the rom? and also, are GAPPS included?
thanks for the great help
-b
bschmidy10 said:
sorry if im being lazy... but how do i know what bootloader im on? i know i have twrp 2.5.0.0 installed and the device is unlocked but im not sure about bootloader.
doing a clean install is no problem, but do you mean do a factory reset from TWRP or entirely wipe the whole rom slot?
and does the kernel installer flash just like the rom? and also, are GAPPS included?
thanks for the great help
-b
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You hold the power button + volume down to boot into the bootlooader menu. In the upper left corner, you can see your bootloader version.
A clean install is mean to wipe Dalvik, Cache, Data, and system. A factory reset is mean to wipe Dalvik, Cache, and data but during the Cromi x installation, a default setting is to wipe a system which are very much the same process. Yes, a kernel installer is a very similar process except it only has kernels and no others apps.
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sorry if im being lazy... but how do i know what bootloader im on? i know i have twrp 2.5.0.0 installed and the device is unlocked but im not sure about bootloader.
doing a clean install is no problem, but do you mean do a factory reset from TWRP or entirely wipe the whole rom slot?
and does the kernel installer flash just like the rom? and also, are GAPPS included?
thanks for the great help
-b
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I can tell - you have been firmly in the CM world so far
There are no gapps packages to flash with this rom, when you flash you will be walked through installation options in the Aroma installer. Part of that is also which apps you want to install to /system (Google maps, Gmail etc).
No rom slots either - just partitions.
No need to wipe system - it's part of the installation process.
No need to wipe Dalvik/cache - it's the default in the Aroma installer
A factory reset in TWRP wipes the data partition except for /data/media/ and that should leave your user data intact. Naturally you will backup anyway before flashing, right?
And don't forget to make a nandroid of your old rom.
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LetMeKnow said:
You hold the power button + volume down to boot into the bootlooader menu. In the upper left corner, you can see your bootloader version.
A clean install is mean to wipe Dalvik, Cache, Data, and system. A factory reset is mean to wipe Dalvik, Cache, and data but during the Cromi x installation, a default setting is to wipe a system which are very much the same process. Yes, a kernel installer is a very similar process except it only has kernels and no others apps.
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Thanks!, I am already on the right edition so that's very good news for me haha.
berndblb said:
I can tell - you have been firmly in the CM world so far
There are no gapps packages to flash with this rom, when you flash you will be walked through installation options in the Aroma installer. Part of that is also which apps you want to install to /system (Google maps, Gmail etc).
No rom slots either - just partitions.
No need to wipe system - it's part of the installation process.
No need to wipe Dalvik/cache - it's the default in the Aroma installer
A factory reset in TWRP wipes the data partition except for /data/media/ and that should leave your user data intact. Naturally you will backup anyway before flashing, right?
And don't forget to make a nandroid of your old rom.
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haha yeah I have been mostly loyal to CM... ive also been on touchwiz, AOKP and some other random roms for some of my older phones but when CM 10.1 came out i just switched everything over (DROID, D2G, RAZR MAXX, XOOM, TF700)
but this is sounding pretty easy to me! i am very familiar with nandroid backups as i have a passion for messing with things i shouldnt mess with on my devices
random question: are kernels flashed when roms are flashed? so like does each different rom have its own kernel? (obviously some would use similar/same kernels)
another random question: I have a growing collection of old androids laying around and am not sure what to do with them? do you/anyone have any good uses/ideas to share? im sure i could look thru each devices subsection but as just a general thing. i obviously could use them for "ipods" but i have unlimited data still :good: and no battery life troubles, so streaming works great for me.
- i use my xoom as a kind of party device, with a locked down "user profile" to let people pick the music at parties (im in college at ole miss) or decide what to show on the tv etc so that has a little purpose but was wondering about other things.
-my OG droid mostly just sits in my drawer except for every once in awhile i give rooting it another shot (had same problem with xoom until i SBFed it so i think thats the solution) but it has an extended battery and runs well. same thing goes for my beloved D2G (when it isnt off as a temp phone with someone from my family of various friends)
any ideas??
and once again THANK YOU to everyone for the amazing/ super speedy help, im being sure to "thank" each and every one of you.
bschmidy10 said:
haha yeah I have been mostly loyal to CM... ive also been on touchwiz, AOKP and some other random roms for some of my older phones but when CM 10.1 came out i just switched everything over (DROID, D2G, RAZR MAXX, XOOM, TF700)
but this is sounding pretty easy to me! i am very familiar with nandroid backups as i have a passion for messing with things i shouldnt mess with on my devices
random question: are kernels flashed when roms are flashed? so like does each different rom have its own kernel? (obviously some would use similar/same kernels)
another random question: I have a growing collection of old androids laying around and am not sure what to do with them? do you/anyone have any good uses/ideas to share? im sure i could look thru each devices subsection but as just a general thing. i obviously could use them for "ipods" but i have unlimited data still :good: and no battery life troubles, so streaming works great for me.
- i use my xoom as a kind of party device, with a locked down "user profile" to let people pick the music at parties (im in college at ole miss) or decide what to show on the tv etc so that has a little purpose but was wondering about other things.
-my OG droid mostly just sits in my drawer except for every once in awhile i give rooting it another shot (had same problem with xoom until i SBFed it so i think thats the solution) but it has an extended battery and runs well. same thing goes for my beloved D2G (when it isnt off as a temp phone with someone from my family of various friends)
any ideas??
and once again THANK YOU to everyone for the amazing/ super speedy help, im being sure to "thank" each and every one of you.
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How is Cromi X treating you?
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How is Cromi X treating you?
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currently installing now.... WOWED by the install process. unlike anything ive seen on android thus far. i have very high hopes that this will fix my problem of lag as my best guess was that it was caused by the I/O scheduling and this "fixes" that weak point.
if you have any thoughts regarding my previous post; please share!
ill edit this in a little bit once its installed and i play around a bit.
thanks again for all the help!
:good:
-b
AWESOME! its finally working how it should be!
super fast and clean. not a lot of customizing from what i see though :/
and its working fast for now even with the same I/O setup as before (interactive/cfq) but are there more performance options buried somewhere i just am not seeing?? or is that perhaps relating to a specific kernel i should have chosen? if thats the case, would you recommend the best kernel for me?? thanks so much for the help once again
bschmidy10 said:
currently installing now.... WOWED by the install process. unlike anything ive seen on android thus far. i have very high hopes that this will fix my problem of lag as my best guess was that it was caused by the I/O scheduling and this "fixes" that weak point.
if you have any thoughts regarding my previous post; please share!
ill edit this in a little bit once its installed and i play around a bit.
thanks again for all the help!
:good:
-b
AWESOME! its finally working how it should be!
super fast and clean. not a lot of customizing from what i see though :/
and its working fast for now even with the same I/O setup as before (interactive/cfq) but are there more performance options buried somewhere i just am not seeing?? or is that perhaps relating to a specific kernel i should have chosen? if thats the case, would you recommend the best kernel for me?? thanks so much for the help once again
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Yeah, the Aroma installer is slick
Cromi-X is based on the stock rom and supposed to have a "stock only much better' feel. So no, not that many options for customizing. I love pjc21's color mod - wouldn't live without it.
CM is about customizing, this one is about stability...
The kernel installer makes it easy to switch and try kernels (no wipes necessary).
I go for _that's v4 kernel because I crave and look for stability.
The two other most popular kernels for this tab are Max's and Hund's.
Max's runs great but supports only FAT32 formatted external cards. So you have to have movies (large files) on your internal.
Hund's probably has the most tweaking and OC options and seems to be loved by gamers. Just tends to run pretty hot.
I would recommend you browse the relevant threads in the development section to get an idea about them.
Your idea about exchanging ideas on how to make old Android devices useful is a great one and would warrant it's own thread. Would be kinda off-topic here and tough to find for anybody else.
Don't know where the best section would be on XDA, but I would love to brainstorm on that topic.
I'm using my old Droid 1 as a navigation device/music player in my car. On longer trips I use my current phone to create a hotspot and stream radio and provide internet connectivity for it. But the D1 lives in the car (and is old enough not to attract thieves - I hope).
My old Droid 4 lives in it's dock on the kitchen counter, is connected to Bluetooth speakers and functions as internet radio/music/picture streaming device/shopping list taker (in Evernote and synced to my other devices) and a quick "check something on the web" go-to.
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bschmidy10 said:
currently installing now.... WOWED by the install process. unlike anything ive seen on android thus far. i have very high hopes that this will fix my problem of lag as my best guess was that it was caused by the I/O scheduling and this "fixes" that weak point.
if you have any thoughts regarding my previous post; please share!
ill edit this in a little bit once its installed and i play around a bit.
thanks again for all the help!
:good:
-b
AWESOME! its finally working how it should be!
super fast and clean. not a lot of customizing from what i see though :/
and its working fast for now even with the same I/O setup as before (interactive/cfq) but are there more performance options buried somewhere i just am not seeing?? or is that perhaps relating to a specific kernel i should have chosen? if thats the case, would you recommend the best kernel for me?? thanks so much for the help once again
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It looks like that you like it so far with what you have. About the kernel, it would be depended what do you want to do with it or what do you want to use it for.. About the performance, you still can optimize them a little bit more to what you want to use it for most of the time.
berndblb said:
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Yeah, the Aroma installer is slick
Cromi-X is based on the stock rom and supposed to have a "stock only much better' feel. So no, not that many options for customizing. I love pjc21's color mod - wouldn't live without it.
CM is about customizing, this one is about stability...
The kernel installer makes it easy to switch and try kernels (no wipes necessary).
I go for _that's v4 kernel because I crave and look for stability.
The two other most popular kernels for this tab are Max's and Hund's.
Max's runs great but supports only FAT32 formatted external cards. So you have to have movies (large files) on your internal.
Hund's probably has the most tweaking and OC options and seems to be loved by gamers. Just tends to run pretty hot.
I would recommend you browse the relevant threads in the development section to get an idea about them.
Your idea about exchanging ideas on how to make old Android devices useful is a great one and would warrant it's own thread. Would be kinda off-topic here and tough to find for anybody else.
Don't know where the best section would be on XDA, but I would love to brainstorm on that topic.
I'm using my old Droid 1 as a navigation device/music player in my car. On longer trips I use my current phone to create a hotspot and stream radio and provide internet connectivity for it. But the D1 lives in the car (and is old enough not to attract thieves - I hope).
My old Droid 4 lives in it's dock on the kitchen counter, is connected to Bluetooth speakers and functions as internet radio/music/picture streaming device/shopping list taker (in Evernote and synced to my other devices) and a quick "check something on the web" go-to.
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T using Tapatalk 4
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Wow! thank you so much for all the help. im really liking the performance/stability. much more important than pretty colors haha. if this kernel (_that's v4) doesnt ever seem slow to me then it has my vote!.
you're absolutely right about this not being the right place to ask about alternate android uses... i will start a thread in the general android section? kind of confusing on where to put it...
those are great ideas though! thanks for the knowledge. ill look into mounting my D1 in my car somehow in a way to provide power to it constantly without looking ugly haha. although i assume ill just give up and use my razr maxx as there is no downside of losing battery life pains.. i wish i could just set these devices up somewhere and be able to control them from another device/location.. getting docks for phones with such small screens seems pointless especially when the key feature (having a slide out keyboard on the D1 and D2G) would require being taken off the dock anyways.
thanks again
-b
LetMeKnow said:
It looks like that you like it so far with what you have. About the kernel, it would be depended what do you want to do with it or what do you want to use it for.. About the performance, you still can optimize them a little bit more to what you want to use it for most of the time.
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regarding the kernel... i have no idea why the device is now running like butter being on the same settings as it was before the change in roms. i know roms change...well... everything.. but i thought pure performance was heavily related to the schedulers and other related settings having to do with the components.
what do you mean regarding the performance? is there a built in tweaking menu? or are you referring to the usual array of tweaking "apps" such as memory optimizing, seeder, set cpu..etc.?
thanks!
-b
bschmidy10 said:
regarding the kernel... i have no idea why the device is now running like butter being on the same settings as it was before the change in roms. i know roms change...well... everything.. but i thought pure performance was heavily related to the schedulers and other related settings having to do with the components.
what do you mean regarding the performance? is there a built in tweaking menu? or are you referring to the usual array of tweaking "apps" such as memory optimizing, seeder, set cpu..etc.?
thanks!
-b
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The reason it's running like butter is that sbdags & co optimized all the settings, schedulers etc with this hardware the Asus engineers missed.
Seeder causes issues with this rom, don't use it. And seriously - I doubt there is much left to improve on it.
Feel free to try - but I would make sure you have a nandroid if things go haywire. I think CROMi-X with your choice of kernel is as good as it gets on the TF700.
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berndblb said:
The reason it's running like butter is that sbdags & co optimized all the settings, schedulers etc with this hardware the Asus engineers missed.
Seeder causes issues with this rom, don't use it. And seriously - I doubt there is much left to improve on it.
Feel free to try - but I would make sure you have a nandroid if things go haywire. I think CROMi-X with your choice of kernel is as good as it gets on the TF700.
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i will heed your advice and not attempt to "optimize" it any farther than it already is. from the looks of things, luckily i wont have to!!
thanks for all the help from you and 'LetMeKnow'.
-b
bschmidy10;4470297berndblb7 said:
regarding the kernel... i have no idea why the device is now running like butter being on the same settings as it was before the change in roms. i know roms change...well... everything.. but i thought pure performance was heavily related to the schedulers and other related settings having to do with the components.
what do you mean regarding the performance? is there a built in tweaking menu? or are you referring to the usual array of tweaking "apps" such as memory optimizing, seeder, set cpu..etc.?
thanks!
-b
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If you read the post explaining by berndblb, Cromi x is already tweaked. Sbdags is very good in updating his rom with new tweaks to make the rom runnig as smooth as posible.. However, you still can optimize them the ways that you like.. Let me trying to answer your questions. For the performance, there is still room for you to get more out of it by optimize those tweaks from the rom and kernel. Second, I don't think there is a tweaking menu during installing except for the Fsync option. I personally like to disable the Fsync because it improves the speed a lot. Third, I don't like using tweaking apps as all. Sometime, they do more harm than good. If you really want to mess around with your device, you have to get dirty to dive deep in your system and play with it. With the custom rom and kernel, they have created a certain folders that you can modify the values that you like. However, you must back up your device before messing arounnd with your system. I have so many bootloops when I apply wrong tweaks but you can restore your back up and back running again without any problem. However, if you know the new tweaks that others are using without problems, then normally you are safe to use them. I hope that helps clear a few things for you..
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bschmidy10 said:
i will heed your advice and not attempt to "optimize" it any farther than it already is. from the looks of things, luckily i wont have to!!
thanks for all the help from you and 'LetMeKnow'.
-b
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We all are here to help each others out and glad that you are happy with your new set up..
CROMI-X 5.2.4 vs Cyanogen Mod 11 nightlies vs Omni Rom 4.4.2 vs CMB beta vs Paranoid Android 3.6 vs PAC- Man 3.99
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I'm sticking with Omni. Smoothest and kitkat. Tried cm11 and cromi-x 5.2 with various kernels
Sent from my ASUS TF700T running OmniROM on Kit Kat!
CalPolyRock said:
I'm sticking with Omni. Smoothest and kitkat. Tried cm11 and cromi-x 5.2 with various kernels
Sent from my ASUS TF700T running OmniROM on Kit Kat!
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Do you have any benchmarks?
Mackis said:
Do you have any benchmarks?
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I used to play with benchmarks, trying out Hunds' & _that's various kernels. But, as most people say, benchmarks don't matter in the long run.
I used to match some of the same benchmarks posted in those threads, but things would still feel slugglish over time or during transitions.
I don't want to wait a few seconds for my keyboard to pop up every time, of for me to switch back to the home screen.
So for me, I want a tablet (and phone) that I don't have to reboot every day. I want it to wake up instantly. Keyboard pop up instantly. Multitask smoothly.
CM11 & Omni seem to do that, while Cromi-X seems to lag no matter that I try or whatever sbdags & co do to tweak the hell out of 4.2.x. Sure, a the IO lag has a lot to do with it, and if I'm downloading a big file or have something installing in the background I will always have lag with this tablet.
But, for now, I'm on Omni and pretty happy. If not, I'd say CM11 is very smooth too.
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So it's just me who finds omni rom extremely laggy? What kernel and mods and stuff are you using???
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I have found all the cm11 based ROMs very laggy so far. They don't seem to be optimised for the tf700t yet. Maybe need a bit more time?
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CalPolyRock said:
I used to play with benchmarks, trying out Hunds' & _that's various kernels. But, as most people say, benchmarks don't matter in the long run.
I used to match some of the same benchmarks posted in those threads, but things would still feel slugglish over time or during transitions.
I don't want to wait a few seconds for my keyboard to pop up every time, of for me to switch back to the home screen.
So for me, I want a tablet (and phone) that I don't have to reboot every day. I want it to wake up instantly. Keyboard pop up instantly. Multitask smoothly.
CM11 & Omni seem to do that, while Cromi-X seems to lag no matter that I try or whatever sbdags & co do to tweak the hell out of 4.2.x. Sure, a the IO lag has a lot to do with it, and if I'm downloading a big file or have something installing in the background I will always have lag with this tablet.
But, for now, I'm on Omni and pretty happy. If not, I'd say CM11 is very smooth too.
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I've made a lot of improvements in CROMi-X 5.3 to combat the lag when something is using the disk in the background. It's a lot better now than it was on the last few versions.
There's never going to be a definite answer on this. How do you define "lag"?
What are you looking for in your rom?
How do you use your tablet?
You just have to try them all and decide for yourself...
I'm always like: ???????????? when someone reports lag on CROMi-X. I just don't get it, because I don't have it.....
I tried CM 10.2 and CM 11 on this tablet and I found them to be slower and (to me more importantly) a hell of a lot buggier than CROMi-X!
But again: I guess not only beauty but also lag and performance is in the eye of the beholder....
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I have found all the cm11 based ROMs very laggy so far. They don't seem to be optimised for the tf700t yet. Maybe need a bit more time?
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I've made a lot of improvements in CROMi-X 5.3 to combat the lag when something is using the disk in the background. It's a lot better now than it was on the last few versions.
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@sbdags did an amazing job with 4.2. So did hunds and _that. No disrespect. Just after running 4.2 for a long time, I'd like to run something newer as long as it's responsive. I don't care about benchmarks as I said before.
I'm hoping sbdags have the chance to do the same with 4.3 or 4.4 if Asus releases it for the 700, or 701 and then back port to the 700.
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CalPolyRock said:
@sbdags did an amazing job with 4.2. So did hunds and _that. No disrespect. Just after running 4.2 for a long time, I'd like to run something newer as long as it's responsive. I don't care about benchmarks as I said before.
I'm hoping sbdags have the chance to do the same with 4.3 or 4.4 if Asus releases it for the 700, or 701 and then back port to the 700.
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Newer and frankenrom'd doesn't translate into "better" IMHO.. But everybody rolls differently...
sbdags released his beta for the TF701 on 4.3 already. There won't be much porting back though - Tegra4 framework is just too different. But I bet the roms for the Tf701 will be even better because he has so much experience with tweaking the Asus roms
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There's never going to be a definite answer on this. How do you define "lag"?
What are you looking for in your rom?
How do you use your tablet?
You just have to try them all and decide for yourself...
I'm always like: ???????????? when someone reports lag on CROMi-X. I just don't get it, because I don't have it.....
I tried CM 10.2 and CM 11 on this tablet and I found them to be slower and (to me more importantly) a hell of a lot buggier than CROMi-X!
But again: I guess not only beauty but also lag and performance is in the eye of the beholder....
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Have you watched the Google's 2012 I/O keynote where Google introduced Android 4.1 and Project Butter? Google has clearly defined what they perceive as lag in Android as situations where the UI's frame rate drops below 60 fps and you can clearly see stutter in animation, which is why Google also introduced Systrace to profile app performance. If the frame rate drops significantly below 60 fps (which I always encounter in the stock app drawer), you will see things like transition effect stutters when swiping between pages or the laggy fly-in effect when you open the app drawer. If you have a Nexus 10 to compare, the difference in terms of frame rate is so apparent that it is almost impossible not to notice. If someone had a high-end camera that can capture 60 fps or 120fps videos like the one Google used to demo Android 4.1, we could easily capture all these instances of lags on videos and had a more scientific discussion. To me, the Nexus 10 is the gold standard of 10-inch tablet performance and I have yet to see another non-Nexus 10-inch tablet (besides the iPad, if I may) that deliver the same level of performance, regardless of ROMs being used.
Moreover, not to discount the work that the xda community has put into improving performance, there are simply too many ways that you can make an Android device drop frames here and there. Even powerful devices like the Note 3 can fail to deliver constant 60 fps UI frame rate. I'm sure with the right combination of widgets and apps, you can also make the Nexus 10 stutter. Or simply, you can just fill up 90% of the internal storage and watch how the performance degrades. To be honest, it is much harder to believe that there is no lag at all, regardless of devices and ROMs that you use. Even Google said that Project Butter is not perfect and still an ongoing effort.
Lastly, workload can also dramatically affect performance and make instances of lags more noticeable, so your usage pattern is a factor. Personally, even on CROMI-X, my tablet could become really laggy if I used it for my work like the other day, even with only 3 apps in my recent apps list: Adobe Reader to read a big pdf file (a 100-page annual report of a company, with a lot of text and images), the stock Browser to research relevant information with around 10 tabs, one being facebook desktop site (seriously, the facebook desktop site is really terrible on Android), Merriam Webster Dictionary app to look up certain words, all in landscape mode. In that scenario, my tf700 performed just like a big slide show.
+1 all the way.
BUT reg the Nexus: No external storage - no deal. For me......
berndblb said:
+1 all the way.
BUT reg the Nexus: No external storage - no deal. For me......
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I am in the same boat as you, which is why I am very excited to see more of those Google Play Edition devices. I highly doubt that there will ever be a Google Play Edition Transformer tablet, but it would be fantastic to have one.
CMB
I switched from CROMi-X to CMB (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2577165) a couple of days ago and I am really happy with it.
@lj50036 has done a great job and so far I haven't had any issues/sluggishness although it is based off CM11. The dock works like a charm as well
The only thing that did not work was being able to use ART on CMB for me.