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Why choose ART over XPOSED?

Hey community, I'm having a personal dilemma that I'm hoping you guys can help me solve. I'm sorry if I'm not allowed to ask these kinds of questions but it's been bugging me for a while. Why would someone choose ART over XPOSED? Is the speed worth the loss of features in all honest? Like if it's significantly faster, how come everyone doesn't do it?
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ART and xposed are not a choice, ART and Dalvik are.
http://pocketnow.com/2013/11/13/dalvik-vs-art
http://www.androidauthority.com/art-vs-dalvik-315874/
http://www.addictivetips.com/android/art-vs-dalvik-android-runtime-environments-explained-compared/
I use dalvik because I want xposed and I "personally" do not notice a speed difference. You can click on "xposed framework" in my signature to learn about xposed.

mistahseller said:
ART and xposed are not a choice, ART and Dalvik are.
http://pocketnow.com/2013/11/13/dalvik-vs-art
http://www.androidauthority.com/art-vs-dalvik-315874/
http://www.addictivetips.com/android/art-vs-dalvik-android-runtime-environments-explained-compared/
I use dalvik because I want xposed and I "personally" do not notice a speed difference. You can click on "xposed framework" in my signature to learn about xposed.
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Pretty sure that's what the OP meant: ART or Xposed (and hence by default, Dalvik).
I am also using Dalvik because there's Xposed modules I don't want to give up. Also, I want to give myself 'somewhere to go' when (inevitably, as has happened on all my past devices) I become unhappy with the performance of the phone.

what i want to know is why would you ever chose xposed? you see what i mean yet? not everybody thinks xposed is useful or good, i dont. i see people complaining about small weird bugs all the time, that turn out to be caused by xposed. i chose dalvik anyways, using the z2 dalvik, but xposed has absolutely no intetest to me personally.

Never cared for xposed not my cup o tea.
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simms22 said:
what i want to know is why would you ever chose xposed? you see what i mean yet? not everybody thinks xposed is useful or good, i dont. i see people complaining about small weird bugs all the time, that turn out to be caused by xposed. i chose dalvik anyways, using the z2 dalvik, but xposed has absolutely no intetest to me personally.
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obviously OP does

You might reference this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/goo...dicated-runtime-thread-art-vs-dalvik-t2516646

paychex said:
obviously OP does
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yup. but i was answering the ops question, as he cant see why someone would chose art over xposed. i was explaining to him that not everyone likes xposed nor thinks its a good thing.

I've been using xposed, in particular gravitybox since I got the N5. I see not real reason to go with ART and lose the functionality of gb. I've never had any "weird" issues with xposed or gb at all. What real benefit would I get from ART? gb provides me with features that make my life comfortable, then add holio I'm an xposed fan.

simms22 said:
what i want to know is why would you ever chose xposed? you see what i mean yet? not everybody thinks xposed is useful or good, i dont. i see people complaining about small weird bugs all the time, that turn out to be caused by xposed. i chose dalvik anyways, using the z2 dalvik, but xposed has absolutely no intetest to me personally.
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I use Xposed with GravityBox and I love the granular controls and features it gives me that stock Android lacks without having to flash a custom ROM. I haven't had any major issues, only a few small quirks that were addressed with a GravityBox update. Admittedly, GravityBox is the only module I'm using, but if people are having issues with Xposed, it's possible that they're using multiple modules that are conflicting with one another or the modules are conflicting with their custom ROM. Aren't many of the modules designed specifically for stock ROM? Not to mention the modules are designed by different developers than Xposed.

BirchBarlow said:
... having issues with Xposed, it's possible that they're using multiple modules that are conflicting with one another ... the modules are designed by different developers than Xposed.
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Good point.

How similar is the Lollipop update to stock?

Does it have fullscreen music cover art on the lockscreen?
What was the main features which made you upgrade? The main one tempting me is the Move to sd option but its not quite a big enough reason to upgrade consdidering many apps can still do this on KK.
I'm totally on the fence about lollipop. I waited and waited on the update but now the thought of re-setting up all my zooper widgets and all the xposed modules i will lose I'm kinda putting off the upgrade.....
Plus I'm not crazy on the Material design.... i actually prefer the blurred/transparent look than bright colours and flat shapes. Blurred UI xposed module is a great little app that does this.
Can anyone tempt me to upgrade? Any nice features i don't know about? How is performance?
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rm83855 said:
Does it have fullscreen music cover art on the lockscreen?
What was the main features which made you upgrade? The main one tempting me is the Move to sd option but its not quite a big enough reason to upgrade consdidering many apps can still do this on KK.
I'm totally on the fence about lollipop. I waited and waited on the update but now the thought of re-setting up all my zooper widgets and all the xposed modules i will lose I'm kinda putting off the upgrade.....
Plus I'm not crazy on the Material design.... i actually prefer the blurred/transparent look than bright colours and flat shapes. Blurred UI xposed module is a great little app that does this.
Can anyone tempt me to upgrade? Any nice features i don't know about? How is performance?
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don't do it
w8 for L5.1.1 cause that may solve WiFI issue
on L5.0.2 WiFi always disconnect with authentication problem error
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Geeks Empire said:
don't do it
w8 for L5.1.1 cause that may solve WiFI issue
on L5.0.2 WiFi always disconnect with authentication problem error
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Lies. Do it.
Your case is not a general case.

TheTeslaCoil said:
Lies. Do it.
Your case is not a general case.
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Agreed...
WiFi is working without any problems here...
UI is only what you see but it's not everything about UI, 5.0.2 is faster, smoother then KK and safer (all security patches and updates)...batery consumption is better optimised...
Xposed is working fine now and it won't be long while we get all modules we had on KK here on L.
There aren't reason for you that could force you to upgrade but that's logical step to do...
Try..if you don't like it, downgrade and stay on KK but give it a chance... I'm sure you'll change your mind
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funky0308 said:
Agreed...
WiFi is working without any problems here...
UI is only what you see but it's not everything about UI, 5.0.2 is faster, smoother then KK and safer (all security patches and updates)...batery consumption is better optimised...
Xposed is working fine now and it won't be long while we get all modules we had on KK here on L.
There aren't reason for you that could force you to upgrade but that's logical step to do...
Try..if you don't like it, downgrade and stay on KK but give it a chance... I'm sure you'll change your mind
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Good point.

funky0308 said:
Agreed...
WiFi is working without any problems here...
UI is only what you see but it's not everything about UI, 5.0.2 is faster, smoother then KK and safer (all security patches and updates)...batery consumption is better optimised...
Xposed is working fine now and it won't be long while we get all modules we had on KK here on L.
There aren't reason for you that could force you to upgrade but that's logical step to do...
Try..if you don't like it, downgrade and stay on KK but give it a chance... I'm sure you'll change your mind
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Geeks Empire said:
don't do it
w8 for L5.1.1 cause that may solve WiFI issue
on L5.0.2 WiFi always disconnect with authentication problem error
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TheTeslaCoil said:
Lies. Do it.
Your case is not a general case.
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Thanks for the replies
Does it include the full screen cover art on lock screen?
I've tried to get this working on KK for god knows how long, it might just persuade me if it does...

Stock lollipop
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rm83855 said:
Thanks for the replies
Does it include the full screen cover art on lock screen?
I've tried to get this working on KK for god knows how long, it might just persuade me if it does...
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I've only used the Walkman app on my Z3, but yes, full screen album Cover on lockscreen when listening to music.
Wish the previous track button on lock screen was still there though

electrash said:
Stock lollipop
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Looks good! t4p.
I installed the "Lock me out" app from the appstore and can't get back in my device so it looks like i will lose all my widgets anyway due to having to reset the device.
Surely if there was ever a sign to update its now.........

Custom Rom likelihood on G930f s7

Sorry in advance for what is probably a silly question.
I am new to the Sammy scene having moved over from a string of htc devices where flashing etc is different.
I know that most s7 variants are not going to see any development at all however I have the version that has root.
What is the likelihood of seeing a custom Rom for this version any time soon?

All exynos s7's will see development, just not aosp for the time being. But what exactly are you expecting in a custom rom?
All you really need is root+xposed+gravity box and that you can have right now.

peachpuff said:
All exynos s7's will see development, just not aosp for the time being. But what exactly are you expecting in a custom rom?
All you really need is root+xposed+gravity box and that you can have right now.
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Optimization and tweaks etc I suppose. Flashable custom some zips etc. There was some good Roms out for the tab s 10.5. I'll hold out until I decide whether I'm going to keep the s7 anyway. I guess if knox is tripped and features like Samsung pay get killed then it will hurt resale value

Tweaks you will find in kernel's and any other software tweaks will most likely be found in xposed, so far pickings are very slim so xposed is the way to go until development picks up.

peachpuff said:
Tweaks you will find in kernel's and any other software tweaks will most likely be found in xposed, so far pickings are very slim so xposed is the way to go until development picks up.
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I thought xposed wasn't available yet? I'm kind of new to this, but i do have root, and would like xposed installed aswell, is there any guide of some sort i can follow for it? exynos version

exocetdj said:
I am new to the Sammy scene having moved over from a string of htc devices where flashing etc is different.
What is the likelihood of seeing a custom Rom for this version any time soon?
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welcome to S7 world mate, points of custom rom... is just matter of time... i will explain below...
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But what exactly are you expecting in a custom rom?
All you really need is root+xposed+gravity box and that you can have right now.
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xposed+gravity box is rubbish, most of devs not include this in custom roms.... as it will conflict with mods and themes.
If u are more into it, you know or you will find digging, there's a lot to add in custom roms, first have all edge features.... then enable all new hidden feature, readd lockscreen effects, alarm, pedometer and shealth on lockscreen......
And...at least you have first 10 days immediate warranty where your device will be replaced with new one.... well all people will wait at least 15 days to be completely sure device is perfect before starting development..... be patient.... give me a week or two, i will try to port edge features.... 6 days today i have my S7..... i'm not in a hurry.... well if u are..... hurry will not push devs.....
be patient

Hurry the hell up dude! Hahahahaha just kidding and thanks for the warm welcome
I understand there will be a wait for development I probably should have phrased the question as "what kind of development and extra features have past Sammy flagships received"
For example on htc we have features added and controlled through tweaks apps like Leedroid Roms etc. Was interested as this is all going to be a learning curve just rooting the Damn thing but from what I have seen its pretty straightforward and I have had brief experience on a Sammy tablet.
Finally I feel sorry for the s820 variants and am thankful I got a root able device

pvar said:
I thought xposed wasn't available yet? I'm kind of new to this, but i do have root, and would like xposed installed aswell, is there any guide of some sort i can follow for it? exynos version
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/xposed/unofficial-xposed-samsung-lollipop-t3180960
_alex74_ said:
xposed+gravity box is rubbish, most of devs not include this in custom roms.... as it will conflict with mods and themes.
If u are more into it, you know or you will find digging, there's a lot to add in custom roms, first have all edge features.... then enable all new hidden feature, readd lockscreen effects, alarm, pedometer and shealth on lockscreen......
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So far its the best solution so hurry up and prove me wrong

Exposed can be a lot of fun but some of the modules drain battery like I used to be able to drain a pint of beer lol.
Thx for the information people I will keep checking in from time to time.

Xposed for 6.0

I'm rooted on stock with twrp, wanted to install some tweaks for the reboot menu and status bar and I know we need xposed for it.
Can anyone guide me as to how to install it? I've read tutorials but wanted to ask the people here. I'm new to this phone.
Much thanks

https://forum.xda-developers.com/xposed/unofficial-xposed-samsung-lollipop-t3180960
Use ARM/SDK23 for the Galaxy S5.
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good info, im just not sure why people use xposed as opposed to a custom ROM with the features that theyre looking for baked into the ROM

Because sometimes, there are many things "cooked", and if I need 1 or 2 mods, then I don't need to deal with all the bugs that came with custom ROMs.
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csmasn said:
Because sometimes, there are many things "cooked", and if I need 1 or 2 mods, then I don't need to deal with all the bugs that came with custom ROMs.
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thats pretty fair, but i dont really get many (if any) bugs with custom ROMsif installed correctly. Im not bashing xposed, i just think that custom ROMs are the way to go for my taste

plus, in my experience, using xposed on a stock rom is better, you don't have to deal with any bugs

jafferkhan said:
plus, in my experience, using xposed on a stock rom is better, you don't have to deal with any bugs
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right on, im glad that it worked well for you! ive had quite the opposite experience with xposed, maybe its just user error tho

youdoofus said:
right on, im glad that it worked well for you! ive had quite the opposite experience with xposed, maybe its just user error tho
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It can screw things up fast and often! Haha. I use XPosed purely for boot manager and greenify. Those are safe on any rom. Unfortunately there are so many modules you can use on your phone that aren't meant for it. If you're not happy to screw things up to learn what works than it can be a huge headache. Lol. I gave up screwing with many of the modules. Oh. I also use it for no ads and background play for YouTube.

Kreatur3 said:
It can screw things up fast and often! Haha. I use XPosed purely for boot manager and greenify. Those are safe on any rom. Unfortunately there are so many modules you can use on your phone that aren't meant for it. If you're not happy to screw things up to learn what works than it can be a huge headache. Lol. I gave up screwing with many of the modules. Oh. I also use it for no ads and background play for YouTube.
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man, i havent had a stock ROM in so long, im not sure where id even start LOL

youdoofus said:
man, i havent had a stock ROM in so long, im not sure where id even start LOL
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I keep it purely for camera quality. I've yet to see a custom rom that compares.

Kreatur3 said:
I keep it purely for camera quality. I've yet to see a custom rom that compares.
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one of a few things i miss about touchwiz

youdoofus said:
one of a few things i miss about touchwiz
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You're using it on stock? How does it improve the camera quality?
As I've seen... I'm using the s5 for a second phone while my first is a note 5 which is the best phone I've used, after I had to give away my note 7.

And also that the camera on the s5 is not bad either... I just don't like it when it asks me to hold the device steady while it's taking a photo...

jafferkhan said:
And also that the camera on the s5 is not bad either... I just don't like it when it asks me to hold the device steady while it's taking a photo...
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no, im on resurrection remix nowadays and very much miss the TW camera. I ran MOAR for over a year and wanted to try out the AOSP ROMs that everyone was ranting about, and i rather enjoy several things about RR, but the camera is rather lackluster on AOSP. TW ROMs have access to the stock Samsung camera, which is awesome!! I really havent found much that just WOWs me about AOSP vs MOAR other than the fact that MOAR isnt being updated anymore (yes, you jsut witnessed someone remind themselves about why they decided on something that they had totally forgotten LoL) I spent a little time finding out if one could port the stock TW cam to AOSP, but apparently its not possible

youdoofus said:
no, im on resurrection remix nowadays and very much miss the TW camera. I ran MOAR for over a year and wanted to try out the AOSP ROMs that everyone was ranting about, and i rather enjoy several things about RR, but the camera is rather lackluster on AOSP. TW ROMs have access to the stock Samsung camera, which is awesome!! I really havent found much that just WOWs me about AOSP vs MOAR other than the fact that MOAR isnt being updated anymore (yes, you jsut witnessed someone remind themselves about why they decided on something that they had totally forgotten LoL) I spent a little time finding out if one could port the stock TW cam to AOSP, but apparently its not possible
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Have you used flat style bar indicators? It doesn't seem to work properly. The issue that I'm having is that it won't show the data icon even when I'm connected...
I want to change the look of the status bar... Any suggestions?

jafferkhan said:
Have you used flat style bar indicators? It doesn't seem to work properly. The issue that I'm having is that it won't show the data icon even when I'm connected...
I want to change the look of the status bar... Any suggestions?
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not really, if youre running a stock ROM because it takes an xposed module to do it and im just too unfamiliar with those to be of any help

Update 9.0 xzp 26 october

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no Xposed, no upgrade for me

amakuramio said:
no Xposed, no upgrade for me
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So you wait for Android 10 to get Xposed on Android 9? lol
I gived Up waiting for Things like that. Besides that SONY maked it hard to get it working is there nothing that great what makes worth the waiting. Xposed is abdoned by many Developers and so are 90% of the Modules.
Don't wait for Xposed. The SONY Update is more important in many Views... And don't forget the Security Updates...

Miustone said:
So you wait for Android 10 to get Xposed on Android 9? lol
I gived Up waiting for Things like that. Besides that SONY maked it hard to get it working is there nothing that great what makes worth the waiting. Xposed is abdoned by many Developers and so are 90% of the Modules.
Don't wait for Xposed. The SONY Update is more important in many Views... And don't forget the Security Updates...
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I only wish to have xz2 fonctions work on xzp and root to increase the screen colours

SilverGamer_YT said:
I only wish to have xz2 fonctions work on xzp and root to increase the screen colours
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Maybe we will get them
I mean, the Z2 got also the Camera from the XZ3 with the update...so I hope on some new functions *_*

Miustone said:
So you wait for Android 10 to get Xposed on Android 9? lol
I gived Up waiting for Things like that. Besides that SONY maked it hard to get it working is there nothing that great what makes worth the waiting. Xposed is abdoned by many Developers and so are 90% of the Modules.
Don't wait for Xposed. The SONY Update is more important in many Views... And don't forget the Security Updates...
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You do realize that not everyone is the same as you and wants the same things as you? Don't push your wants and needs onto other people, I'm waiting for Xposed as well because it's essential to me and many others.
"Xposed is abdoned by many Developers and so are 90% of the Modules."
Also: lol

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You do realize that not everyone is the same as you and wants the same things as you? Don't push your wants and needs onto other people, I'm waiting for Xposed as well because it's essential to me and many others.
"Xposed is abdoned by many Developers and so are 90% of the Modules."
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Much fun waiting for it! Hahaha How many People still use Xposed btw? Like 0,1% of the Android Users Worldwide? Just flash AOSP and You will don't need Xposed anymore
Also: lol "Xposed Essential"

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Much fun waiting for it! Hahaha How many People still use Xposed btw? Like 0,1% of the Android Users Worldwide? Just flash AOSP and You will don't need Xposed anymore
Also: lol "Xposed Essential"
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I agree with this, Xposed is kind off umm essentially dead at this point ever since it started to break checks

LukeyWolf said:
I agree with this, Xposed is kind off umm essentially dead at this point ever since it started to break checks
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What 'checks' has xposed suddenly started breaking? Safety net? Xposed always broke it.
@Miustone
Opinions are like assholes, everyones got one or knows one. No one is right or wrong in this argument. I use xposed to modify my status bar the way I like it, among other things, Aosp will not change this.

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What 'checks' has xposed suddenly started breaking? Safety net? Xposed always broke it.
@Miustone
Opinions are like assholes, everyones got one or knows one. No one is right or wrong in this argument. I use xposed to modify my status bar the way I like it, among other things, Aosp will not change this.
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AOSP can change more as Xposed could ever do. Just take a Look on RR, AE or LOS ROMs. While RR is based on LOS does it have a lot of Options you will never find in any Xposed Module. AE is based on pure AOSP, more Clean as RR (since based on AOSP) but also giving more Options compared to LOS or Gravity Box for a Xposed example.
LOS is simple and secure. You can totally Control Your Device besides Essential modifying of the UI. Xposed is and was Something for People like the ones who just where able to get Root with locked Bootloaders. Unlocked Device = AOSP
AND, Yes. Safety Net. Xposed triggers it. Xposed was available long before the Security Changes Google did, to make Android a secure and mature OS. But it's now part of Android and WE can't Change that fact. So we can live with Systemless stuff like Magisk and the Modules for it. Or use Xposed and don't be able to use a bunch of popular Apps on Your daily used Device.
It should be clear that Xposed is almost dead, sooner or later (since it can never Go Systemless). AOSP just bring's all the Xposed goodies without breaking safety Net. Same for the Patches i do. I would never force anyone to Trigger the Safety Net Check. For a good Reason.
Peace ?

I have been using xposed since 2012, when I still had a docomo ics phone, no upgrade for me. Oreo is fast enough. Im still using kitkat because after 5.0 ipc binder was introduced, apps can steal data from other apps, mostly google services (thats why some apps wont function without gapps). Most likely ill sell both my xz and z3 and get z3 tablet with sim function. Safety is bull.

Virtual Xposed for Andorid 9.0 could make some basic Xposed modules work on the new update.

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Virtual Xposed for Andorid 9.0 could make some basic Xposed modules work on the new update.
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Nop most apps force close.

Did anybody in the us get the update?

IS33D34DP30PL3 said:
Did anybody in the us get the update?
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Nobody will get the update before next week, if then.

Miustone said:
AOSP can change more as Xposed could ever do.
It should be clear that Xposed is almost dead, sooner or later (since it can never Go Systemless). AOSP just bring's all the Xposed goodies without breaking safety Net.
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:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
This is clearly satire, right?

Atrax2010 said:
Nobody will get the update before next week, if then.
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;-;

Atrax2010 said:
Nobody will get the update before next week, if then.
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OR the next next week !!! Grrrrrrr !!!!

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OR the next next week !!! Grrrrrrr !!!!
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Yeah, I'd personally place my bet on it being released in November, the same time the XZ2 lineup gets it.
It doesn't matter, really, what matters is XZP gets Pie at all, whenever, which still might not happen. Like with the Z3 and Nougat situation...
Tbh, I don't even care about the android version, I'm just hoping that with the major OS upgrade Sony would also make an extra step of updating the core system apps, like camera for example, which can perform so much better than it does now, it's just a matter of tuning the algorythms and software calibration, the hardware is not the issue.
Anyways, just like with all previous updates on my xperias, I'm betting on a better experience, but nothing sensational or drastically improved.
What is most likely to happen is the core OS gets updated and everything else stays the same. Sony basically looses money on each device they sell, it's a miracle we get any updates at all on a two year old device, so yeah, not hoping for much, but it's not like I'm having issues with Oreo or how it works so... Who cares...
Revising an old device takes a lot of money and dev resources, plus you need to attend to new devices. Considering how Sony Mobile is next to unprofitable, as I said, it's a miracle the software support is as good as it is. Next to Pixel, the fastest updates of any other brand.