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Hello Android Developers | ROM Flashers | Hackers | Modifiers | "I want my phone to look cool" People
First of all, I'd like to point out a few interesting things about this device.
-This is an Android powered phone that is officially supported to Android 2.3.6 Gingerbread
-The is the Galaxy S 4G. It is part of the Original Galaxy S (1st Generation) series and was once offered by ]"THREE" carriers. Mainly T-Mobile, secondly Wind Mobile, and most infrequently, Telus. The unique think about this phone is it was the first 4G Galaxy S Phone on T-Mobile.
-The model numbers are SGH-T959V(For T-Mobile), SGH-T959W(For Wind Mobile), and SGH-T959P(For Telus).
-A vast majority of support on this forum goes to the SGH-T959V for T-Mobile as it is the most common. There are a few T959W users on this forum who also have a few important threads, as well as if you are a T959W user, it is smart to note that yes, you can generally flash T959V roms, yet, you should "NOT" flash T959V Bootloaders and other such partitions such as the Boot, SBL, and Param sections as this MAY result in a permanent brick.
-There are no current T959P specific posts, and it is unknown whether there are any Telus users here. It is currently unknown but probably consistent that these users may be able to flash T959V roms.
OST OR ASK QUESTION
NOW THE MAIN POINT
First, If you haven't read the above section. GO BACK AND READ IT
MAIN MESSAGE
To all noobs, the T-Mobile (WInd or Telus) Galaxy S 4G is NOT internally similar to its predecessor, the T-Mobile Galaxy S Vibrant which lacks 4G and Gingerbread support. If you flash a Galaxy S Vibrant ROM, your phone may (and probably will) die, and will likely be void from warranty if you still have it! You should only flash ROMS available in THiS forum. All other Galaxy S variants including Galaxy S I9000, and other Galaxy S SGH model ROMS, Galaxy Y ROMS, Galaxy S II ROMS, Galaxy S III ROMS, Galaxy Note I ROMS, Galaxy Note II Roms, Galaxy Note 10.1 ROMS, Galaxy Tab ROMS, Galaxy Player ROMS, and any other Android Phone ROM will also kill the phone.
The label, Galaxy S doesn't mean Galaxy S "4G". There is a "HUGE" difference.
THERE ARE NOW AN INCOMING FLOOD OF GALAXY S "4" USERS.... THIS IS AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT DEVICE... PLEASE POST IN THE FORUM THAT CORRESPONDS TO THE MODEL NUMBER BEHIND YOUR BATTERY
THE MAIN PURPOSE OF THIS WARNING IS TO STOP GALAXY S 4G AND GALAXY S VIBRANT USERS FROM FLASHING ROMS THAT ARE NOT FROM THEIR EXACT PHONE'S FORUM AS WELL AS TO STOP AN INCOMING FLOOD OF GALAXY S 4 USERS TO POST QUESTIONS IN HERE
Bump for sticky.
Bump bump BUMP!!!
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Bump for sticky.
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Seriously, sticky this beast. Its almost every day I see a thread with some poor sap who didn't do ANY research, has a bricked phone because he was trying to flash a vibrant ROM XD
While part of me says that if they can't bother to do the research before messing with a very expencive device then they deserve to be bricked with a voided warranty but then the other part says that this is good info so it is now stuck.
i do have to agree that this is good info, but isn't this referring to #3 in the 10 commandments thread? just wondering.
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i do have to agree that this is good info, but isn't this referring to #3 in the 10 commandments thread? just wondering.
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Good point. From some of the threads I've been reading, it doesn't sound like some people even pay attention to the stickies as it is.
Maybe the better question: Does having yet another sticky stop people from posting stupid stuff? Probably not.
I'm proud to be a part of this forum and community, and I'm tired of having to filter through a bunch of crap to find the needle(useful post) in the haystack(thread).
I hope that we, as a community, can band together to report abusive users (by clicking the alert triangle in the title bar of the abusive user's comment) and to help nurture the newbies to feel safe to ask questions so they don't follow bad advise and bootloop or worse... brick.
I hope that this being sticky catches someone's eye so they don't flash the wrong roms, if they are on other phones.
For the record I came to this site after flashing a vibrant rom through(gasp) ROM Manager. You know the story. Only option close to this phone was VIBRANT(this was back in feb and still the same). Some better googling led me here. Fixed my problem without so much as a post. Other people think and act different than I do. They will ask for help. They will be noobs. It's your choice whether or not to help. If you choose not to help than let that be it.
Oh bye the way NO ONE reads stickies
hechoen said:
For the record I came to this site after flashing a vibrant rom through(gasp) ROM Manager. You know the story. Only option close to this phone was VIBRANT(this was back in feb and still the same). Some better googling led me here. Fixed my problem without so much as a post. Other people think and act different than I do. They will ask for help. They will be noobs. It's your choice whether or not to help. If you choose not to help than let that be it.
Oh bye the way NO ONE reads stickies
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Well then they deserve what they get.
Rewritting the OS on your phone without doing the needed research is just plain stupid
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Well then they deserve what they get.
Rewritting the OS on your phone without doing the needed research is just plain stupid
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I thanked, because it seems to be the biggest problem with this site.
No one reads the stickies.
Should the site maybe implement a lightbox of some sort that pops up to remind users of the rules and reading the stickies and ops?
EDIT: It would be annoying, but if it worked, it would become less annoying to *not* have to scroll through 100-200 page threads of newbs fighting over stupid crap posted in the sticky and op...
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I thanked, because it seems to be the biggest problem with this site.
No one reads the stickies.
Should the site maybe implement a lightbox of some sort that pops up to remind users of the rules and reading the stickies and ops?
EDIT: It would be annoying, but if it worked, it would become less annoying to *not* have to scroll through 100-200 page threads of newbs fighting over stupid crap posted in the sticky and op...
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We have tried to make things as easy as we can but in the end this is a development site so when joining is is expected that people research and learn. I just wish people would stop following videos that are mostly out dated. It is amazing how lazy some people are. To be honest I am all out of pity and sympathy for those that don't do their homework. Its not rocket science after all lol
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We have tried to make things as easy as we can but in the end this is a development site so when joining is is expected that people research and learn. I just wish people would stop following videos that are mostly out dated. It is amazing how lazy some people are. To be honest I am all out of pity and sympathy for those that don't do their homework. Its not rocket science after all lol
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It's not rocket surgery or brain science. The simple fact is people want an easy way to do things. That's why they(myself inluded) are here. My homework is my own. So is my frustration. I ask not for sympathy but for pentance. I am so fuc?ing tired of off the cuff remarks from users of this site that claim to "know it all" but slam some poor ****er asking for help. How do you build a comminity on top of that? Search for sure. Notice the hottest topic right now is this one?
Zeledel
Do not expect people to be you. I sure as hell don't
I don't but I do expect them to do what I did when started, the same thing that everyone is expected to do. And that is to spend a good amount of time reading. When I started I knew nothing of modding and only had basic computer skills. So I joined and spent weeks reading up on what I was doing before I even attempted to software unlock my device. If you asked a question here without doing your research you were flamed left and right as it was and still is expected that people do the research before posting. Mainly sense modding your phone breaks your warranty and if you bricked it there was no way back and no returning to stock to return it.
As for the off the cuff remarks, I am sorry it has come to this. You can ask any one of my team mates. I am the first to spend hours upon hours helping people. Hell I have even spent 4 hours on an international call to help a user that has bricked his phone. In the end it comes down to if you do the research and then after all the work it is still acting up then people are more opted to help.
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I don't but I do expect them to do what I did when started, the same thing that everyone is expected to do. And that is to spend a good amount of time reading. When I started I knew nothing of modding and only had basic computer skills. So I joined and spent weeks reading up on what I was doing before I even attempted to software unlock my device. If you asked a question here without doing your research you were flamed left and right as it was and still is expected that people do the research before posting. Mainly sense modding your phone breaks your warranty and if you bricked it there was no way back and no returning to stock to return it.
As for the off the cuff remarks, I am sorry it has come to this. You can ask any one of my team mates. I am the first to spend hours upon hours helping people. Hell I have even spent 4 hours on an international call to help a user that has bricked his phone. In the end it comes down to if you do the research and then after all the work it is still acting up then people are more opted to help.
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One thing to remember alot of people are not you. We agree are many things. People are still not you. Because A = B if I am A or B than we are the same. C is always an option. Be the better person don't expect or think humane kind will hold themselves in that same regard. Be who you are but remember C is also an option.
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One thing to remember alot of people are not you. We agree are many things. People are still not you. Because A = B if I am A or B than we are the same. C is always an option. Be the better person don't expect or think humane kind will hold themselves in that same regard. Be who you are but remember C is also an option.
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Agreed.
For anyone that has been keeping up. Please don't think that I am trying to say that I am like some tech guru. Lol far from it. I only meant to show what can happen when you put some love, effort, common since, strong searchfu toss in some grey hairs into your device. Never know the guy that joins XDA tomorrow may become the next CM.
If you believe you can or if you believe you can't either way you are right.
pft.
Sometimes when your having a bad day, keeping your fingers off the keyboard makes things better.
I had to re-read hechoen 3 times until I got it.
agreed. Also, people should not flash to their phone until they really know what they are doing. When I first rooted my G1, I read for 2 months before trying. Also, I ended up frying my rom and being stuck i bootloader for a day, but I never posted a single thread anywhere(I wasn't a member). So before people say "HELP, am I bricked?" they should try "EVERYTHING" to solve their own problems. The senior members aren't the phone company warranty plans.
google does a good job of leading other galaxy variants to different forum. When i first googled this phone google led me to the i9000 forum, and from reviews and comparisons on other sites they say this phone is very similar to the vibrant so its easy to get confused.Its bad enough samsung has like 10 phones with the galaxy name on it too. I think this thread should be stickied on general and Q and A also, its very easy to be misled here.
Sticky vs. Wiki
airfluip1 said:
To all noobs, the galaxy s 4g isn't the vibrant, if you flash a vibrant rom, your phone may die. You should only flash roms available in this forum. Galaxy S I9000 roms and GS2 roms will also kill the phone. The label, Galaxy S doesn't mean Galaxy S "4G". There is a "HUGE" difference.
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So, why is the xda-dev wiki leading noobs to believe otherwise?
Clicking on that link (which is supposedly a list of all the Galaxy S models), we see the Galaxy S 4G nestled in amongst all the generic Galaxy S models. Shouldn't there be a separate section here for the 4G just as there is for a Galaxy S II and a Galaxy Tablet?
It's one thing to make this post a Sticky (which may or may not be found via searching), and quite another to deliberately classify the Galaxy S 4G as a Galaxy S on the Wiki (which is much more prominent than a Sticky)!
p.s.
I had specifically asked a moderator to create a new group for the Galaxy S 4G over 6 months ago...
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So, why is the xda-dev wiki leading noobs to believe otherwise?
Clicking on that link (which is supposedly a list of all the Galaxy S models), we see the Galaxy S 4G nestled in amongst all the generic Galaxy S models. Shouldn't there be a separate section here for the 4G just as there is for a Galaxy S II and a Galaxy Tablet?
It's one thing to make this post a Sticky (which may or may not be found via searching), and quite another to deliberately classify the Galaxy S 4G as a Galaxy S on the Wiki (which is much more prominent than a Sticky)!
p.s.
I had specifically asked a moderator to create a new group for the Galaxy S 4G over 6 months ago...
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I actually beg to differ. The galaxy s 4g is a 'galaxy s' phone based on the s5pc1xx (specifically the s5pc110 in PoP with the onenand-flex and dram, just like the epic4g and fascinate) processor (hummingbird chipset). The sgs2 is based on the exynos chipset.
The tablet IS in a class of it's own.
I don't understand your post.
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So I don't have any where else to put it(I think it should go under development but the rules say - if you didn't create it it doesn't belong there) but I found this post really interesting so Enjoy
I noticed it with the nexus s, may this be the reason we'll not get ICS??
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I noticed it with the nexus s, may this be the reason we'll not get ICS??
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not at all - it has nothing to do with it(as far as I understand)
Interesting read, but why would this belong in the development forum?
You did the right thing posting it in the general forum,as this is exactly where it belongs.
MarkP80nj said:
Interesting read, but why would this belong in the development forum?
You did the right thing posting it in the general forum,as this is exactly where it belongs.
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I thought it belonged to development because its talking about hmm...development but I guess here was a better place after all
Originally Posted by MarkP80nj
Interesting read, but why would this belong in the development forum?
You did the right thing posting it in the general forum,as this is exactly where it belongs.
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I thought it belonged to development because its talking about hmm...development but I guess here was a better place after all
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This is a common misconception about the development forum.
It's not for things talking about development.
It's for things you have developed.
IOW, the only time one should start a thread on that forum is when one has developed something, and wants to share it with the community.
Anyways, sorry for the derail.
Not trying to sound like an ass or anything.
You did the right thing, and thanks for sharing the link.
MarkP80nj said:
This is a common misconception about the development forum.
It's not for things talking about development.
It's for things you have developed.
IOW, the only time one should start a thread on that forum is when one has developed something, and wants to share it with the community.
Anyways, sorry for the derail.
Not trying to sound like an ass or anything.
You did the right thing, and thanks for sharing the link.
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sure, np don't worry about it
In spite of Samsung's best efforts to bury the news by reporting it a couple of days before Christmas, Friday's disclosure that the Galaxy S and Galaxy Tab won't get upgraded to Android 4.0 drew a lot of justified ire. Now the company seems to be backtracking like a champ, as reported by ajnews in Korea, by claiming that it will review the viability of updating those two devices in response to strong customer demand. While restating the difficulties of fitting its entire software footprint onto the Galaxy S and Tab's limited memory capacity, Samsung has been quoted as saying it'll investigate ways to try and make it work. We've reached out to Samsung for official comment on the matter and will update you as soon as we hear back.
http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/27/2663320/samsung-galaxy-s-and-galaxy-tab-ics-upgrade-review
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In spite of Samsung's best efforts to bury the news by reporting it a couple of days before Christmas, Friday's disclosure that the Galaxy S and Galaxy Tab won't get upgraded to Android 4.0 drew a lot of justified ire. Now the company seems to be backtracking like a champ, as reported by ajnews in Korea, by claiming that it will review the viability of updating those two devices in response to strong customer demand. While restating the difficulties of fitting its entire software footprint onto the Galaxy S and Tab's limited memory capacity, Samsung has been quoted as saying it'll investigate ways to try and make it work. We've reached out to Samsung for official comment on the matter and will update you as soon as we hear back.
http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/27/2663320/samsung-galaxy-s-and-galaxy-tab-ics-upgrade-review
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awesome news - 10x for sharing
Coming from the Nexus 4, the Galaxy S4 has little to no development. I understand that it is due to Samsung's lack of cooperation with developers and the line of processors that they use in the Galaxy S series phones. I still can't help but fell a pang of regret for not having my Nexus repaired. I am sure that I am not the only one to be disappointed by the slow development on this phone. Please feel free to voice your feelings on this depressing topic. I would be glad to know that I am not alone!
How come you think there is little development? I can understand compared to the nexus 4 because the s4 Is a newer and there is no legit way to unlock the boot loader but there is still quite a bit of ROMs and kernels for the s4.
Tylor
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willblake13 said:
Coming from the Nexus 4, the Galaxy S4 has little to no development. I understand that it is due to Samsung's lack of cooperation with developers and the line of processors that they use in the Galaxy S series phones. I still can't help but fell a pang of regret for not having my Nexus repaired. I am sure that I am not the only one to be disappointed by the slow development on this phone. Please feel free to voice your feelings on this depressing topic. I would be glad to know that I am not alone!
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Go get an iphone.
The development and original development threads are full of Mods, Kernels, and ROMs.
So what is your purpose for posting this thread if not trolling? If you don't like it, leave...get another phone. If you feel there isn't enough development, get to developing.
No, it's not healthy discussion. Yes, it is rude and disrespectful. I also wish you would have got your Nexus repaired.
Normally I tell people "good luck" when I end a post, but it would do you no good...you aren't looking for good luck, you are just looking to stir up trouble and insult the Developers.
Don't mind the previous posters...
I completely agree with you! Coming from all-time leading development devices in the past, the Galaxy S4 is severely lacking. Fortunately, we do have support for the main branches of development (CM, etc.), but you are correct: there isn't much here at all.
But oh well! I feel it's picking up a bit, and since the main ones work and work extremely well, I have a hard time thinking it's much of a problem. We still have choices for the flashaholics like myself. And once I learned that you can use any variant's ROMs I was able to make do.
I9505 firmware problem solved
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Hello
I think my Desire Z might have just died. I was waiting for Project Ara to produce something but after they have announced a worthless test run in Puerto Rico I have no choice....
My 1st choice from the start has been the Nexus 5. The ability to choose and every ROM is I think awesome.
I also looked at the Samsung Galaxy K zoom but I have quickly discarded it as I see no ROM development.
So, should I go with the Nexus 5 or do you recommend something else?
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I think my Desire Z might have just died. I was waiting for Project Ara to produce something but after they have announced a worthless test run in Puerto Rico I have no choice....
My 1st choice from the start has been the Nexus 5. The ability to choose and every ROM is I think awesome.
I also looked at the Samsung Galaxy K zoom but I have quickly discarded it as I see no ROM development.
So, should I go with the Nexus 5 or do you recommend something else?
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I like the new Motorola devices like the moto x moto g droid ultra and nexus 6 but my favorite phone to rom is the note 2
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Nexus 6 giveaway
If you have not talked to me and your interested pm me.
Don't ask about it in someone's thread that's rude.
Thats it? One suggestion from XDA?
I'm still using the Nexus 5 and it's working after as smooth as ever! Nexus 6 IMO too expensive ATM..
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riahc3 said:
Thats it? One suggestion from XDA?
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Yes, because everyone else knows the rule that any and all 'what phone should I get' questions go in the designated thread.
This one: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1620179
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Well depends on your budget that is. Nexus 6 is too costly and Nexus 5 is the right money for the right device. But if I were I would look into the OnePlus One.
ShadowLea said:
Yes, because everyone else knows the rule that any and all 'what phone should I get' questions go in the designated thread.
This one: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1620179
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Yes, because you and others, find it so fun to go thru a 1237 page thread were there are dozens of people asking and talking about what phone to get.
And AFAIK, there is no rule that asking what phone to get with my requirements and/or price range should belong in that thread.
Just look at the first post:
mines is either galaxy s3 or galaxy note for t-mobile
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It doesnt even state a guideline, requirements, etc.....I could put Im getting a Nexus 5 and nothing else.
Im sorry for brutally owning you like that but someone has to do it
Tiash420 said:
Well depends on your budget that is. Nexus 6 is too costly and Nexus 5 is the right money for the right device. But if I were I would look into the OnePlus One.
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Yeah, price range for me would be Nexus 5 but that is dynamic depending on what else is out there.
I have been recommended the OnePlus One (or Two) as well. The only issue I have with it is that they are going now with this is OxygenOS (yet another distro of Android just like Linux has Ubuntu, Debian, Red Hat, etc.) and I feel that is a stepback. Also, I really miss that it has no microSD (this is getting more common also this applies to the Nexus 5) and no wireless charging. But, it is a awesome phone nonetheless.
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Yes, because you and others, find it so fun to go thru a 1237 page thread were there are dozens of people asking and talking about what phone to get.
And AFAIK, there is no rule that asking what phone to get with my requirements and/or price range should belong in that thread.
Just look at the first post:
It doesnt even state a guideline, requirements, etc.....I could put Im getting a Nexus 5 and nothing else.
Im sorry for brutally owning you like that but someone has to do it
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If you call that owning you haven't been on the internet long enough. I'm a woman on the internet. I'm used to far worse.
If you'd taken a minute to see why all other threads identical to yours end up locked, you'd see that the collective mod reply is identical to mine.
But if you require an example, here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2611756
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3006574
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3006580
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3003009
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3001793
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2998323
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2985689
Shall I go on, or is the point clear enough?
You've been here long enough to know this.
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riahc3 said:
I have been recommended the OnePlus One (or Two) as well. The only issue I have with it is that they are going now with this is OxygenOS (yet another distro of Android just like Linux has Ubuntu, Debian, Red Hat, etc.) and I feel that is a stepback. Also, I really miss that it has no microSD (this is getting more common also this applies to the Nexus 5) and no wireless charging. But, it is a awesome phone nonetheless.
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Bro I'm a Linux user, I know what distros are an I also know about OxygenOS but CM and PA still officially supports the OPO. So I don't see the problem here. You can always wipe and flash
And secondly about the storage, The Nexus 5 16GB costs $349 And the OnePlus One 64GB costs $349 so its a better deal than the Nexus plus the One had a better hardware from all aspects. Plus a lot of sensors. So it's still up to you which one your prefer man.
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Yes, because you and others, find it so fun to go thru a 1237 page thread were there are dozens of people asking and talking about what phone to get.
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People don't read from the beginning. They read the most recent posts. Because they're not stupid, and (usually) don't reply to posts that are several years old. Frankly, I'm surprised this thread hasn't been locked/merged already.
That said, look at the LG G2. Same guts as the Nexus 5, but with a far superior camera, much bigger battery, and slightly bigger screen (in practically the same size body). Development doesn't match the Nexus 5, but that's like saying aftermarket customization doesn't match a Honda Civic. Alternative, but a bit more expensive (yet still cheap), there's the OnePlus One. It's basically an unofficial Nexus 5.5.
Lg g2, a better nexus 5 with a low street price
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ShadowLea said:
If you call that owning you haven't been on the internet long enough. I'm a woman on the internet. I'm used to far worse.
If you'd taken a minute to see why all other threads identical to yours end up locked, you'd see that the collective mod reply is identical to mine.
But if you require an example, here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2611756
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3006574
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3006580
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3003009
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3001793
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2998323
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2985689
Shall I go on, or is the point clear enough?
You've been here long enough to know this.
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1st thread - Closed because it was replied to a year later
2nd thread - Closing it doesnt even make sense. Its a tablet thread and it gets redirected to a smartphone thread?
3rd thread - Very little information
4th thread- First reply, is a spamfest of websites
5th thread - Asking for chinese products and then getting like 5 a spamfest of websites
6th thread - Same as 4 and 5
7th thread - This one takes the cake. How can you ask about two phones, for whatever reason, and have the thread closed?
If its going to be like that, my suggestion towards XDA is simply close all sections including phone sections except phone development sections . If XDA strictly wants to dedicate itself to development and wont allow simple questions, then fine. But come on, closing some of those threads were pathetic more so the tablet ones.
Make a entire subsection for "What device should I get". This way you dont have clutter in the general sections.
Also, it is pathetic that you use the sex card to make yourself look like a victim. I am disgusted by your attitude when there are women around the globe being sexually harrassed and even burned. You should feel ashamed of yourself for even mentioning after getting owned that you are a woman. Very disrespectful.
People don't read from the beginning. They read the most recent posts. Because they're not stupid, and (usually) don't reply to posts that are several years old. Frankly, I'm surprised this thread hasn't been locked/merged already.
That said, look at the LG G2. Same guts as the Nexus 5, but with a far superior camera, much bigger battery, and slightly bigger screen (in practically the same size body). Development doesn't match the Nexus 5, but that's like saying aftermarket customization doesn't match a Honda Civic. Alternative, but a bit more expensive (yet still cheap), there's the OnePlus One. It's basically an unofficial Nexus 5.5.
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Thats the exact problem: Someone posts "I want a phone" on page (lets say) 500. Same day a couple of people post the same thing and now the thread is at page 502. People wont go back to page 500 to help that person, they will just go to 502 and help whatever they see on that page.
It is TOO long of a thread to have a continous discussion about one member's option.
The real issue here is that xda has a lot of users. If even a small fraction of them opened threads to ask for advice on which device to purchase then many "more important" threads would get buried by the sheer volume of these threads. xda doesn't want to ban these discussions outright, so there currently are 3 threads devoted to discussions about devices, please repost your question in one of these three threads: The what should I buy thread or the The Device Suggestion Thread or the The Device Comparison Thread.
Thanks!
I find it incredibly annoying and cumbersome to go through 2 different forums to view issues/features/apps of the S8 and S8+ since 99% of the posts can pertain to either phone.
I think the Combined S8 Forums should look like this:
S8/S8+ Questions and Answers
S8/S8+ Guides, News, and Discussions
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You are cutting THIRTY forums down to TEN.
I have the S8 and if I didn't go through the S8+ forums, I would've missed on some great tips and vice versa. For example, I wouldn't have found out about Adhell or Disconnect Pro if I was just browsing the S8+ forums, since it was posted on the S8 forum. Another example is my magnetic wireless charging mod for the S7 edge, which works on both the S7 edge or S7 and any other android phone with wireless charging. If I don't post it in the regular s7 forum, people who don't have the s7 edge and do not browse the s7 edge forum will likely miss out on this. If I choose to remake this guide for the S8, should I just post it in the S8 forums or also the S8+ forums?
Does everything read through both forums? Instead of going through 4 combined forums (Q&A, General, Apps, Accessories), you have to read through 8. That's really a waste of time and why should app devs or accessory creators manage TWO threads where the same question is asked over and over when it was likely asked/answered in the other thread?
If something is phone specific, people usually mention it in the title anyways.
That's like saying merge pixel and pixel XL forum, they r still different phones imo, can you imagine a battery life thread mixed with both s8 sd s8 exynos s8+ sd s8+ exynos ?
Too late now...you should have asked the Admin back in February....
galaxys said:
Too late now...you should have asked the Admin back in February....
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Funny you should say that, I DID ask them in March when both forums were still pretty empty, and they refused.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=71656329#post71656329
Ever since then, all I have seen is duplicate threads in both forums, people getting irritated by having to trawl through 2 sets of forums when 95% of the threads apply to BOTH devices and people getting confused and posting in the wrong forum.....I saw it coming, tried to tell them, and they wouldn't listen to me.
Shuthefrontdoor said:
That's like saying merge pixel and pixel XL forum, they r still different phones imo, can you imagine a battery life thread mixed with both s8 sd s8 exynos s8+ sd s8+ exynos
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You already have battery life threads with people mixing the devices, pretty much all of em. I've already had this argument with people before. If it was ONE forum and TWO threads, people would be much more likely to post in the correct one since they will be right there. The way it is now people will be posting in the wrong one through a combination of confusion over what forum they are currently in, and not being bothered to navigate to the other forum and search for the battery thread in that one.
The hardware is basically identical except for battery size, almost every thread is going to apply to both devices, so instead of having 90% of the threads duplicated in 2 forums, splitting the knowledge in half and forcing people to have to trawl through 2 sets of forums, they could have one set of forums and maybe there will be a few device specific threads in them for things like battery life. You can have a sub forum for each device for firmwares, but all the Q&A and general guides and discussion and accessories forums should be a single set for both devices.
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ssgunner20 said:
Thats the most stupid thing ive heard. Why would you want that. They are not the same phone.
Its like me saying on a jeep forum to merge the 3.6 section with the 5.7 and 6.2. Yes its the same shell but differe t vehicle. I dont wanna here about tbe 5.7 or 3.6 if im looking for info on tbe 6.2... catch my drift!
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Are you really that thick? it's the exact opposite of that. its a different shell with the exact same insides! (same engine, same stereo, same pedals, same seats, same satnav, same steering wheel, just a slightly bigger fuel tank in one of them). Jesus there's some dimwits on here.
ewokuk said:
The hardware is basically identical except for battery size, almost every thread is going to apply to both devices, so instead of having 90% of the threads duplicated in 2 forums, splitting the knowledge in half and forcing people to have to trawl through 2 sets of forums, they could have one set of forums
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Except that even in a single forum, most major topics already get spread across a half dozen redundant threads. And within each thread, once it exceeds a single page, most of the posts just repeat what was said earlier, including misinformation that was previously corrected. So the number of redundant forums doesn't really matter much.
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I find it incredibly annoying and cumbersome to go through 2 different forums to view issues/features/apps of the S8 and S8+ since 99% of the posts can pertain to either phone.
I have the S8 and if I didn't go through the S8+ forums, I would've missed on some great tips and vice versa. At the very least, every forum except the "roms, kernels, recoveries" should be merged between the two.
If something is phone specific, people usually mention it in the title anyways.
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I agree, Android Central recognized this a month or two ago and merged them. It is much better.
It is easy to point out examples where this would not make sense, but you must ignore the incredible inconvenience of navigating back and forth to even present the argument. The reality is that the s8 and + are remarkably similar.
Based on this logic, we should also have separate forums for snapdragon and exynos devices.
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I agree, Android Central recognized this a month or two ago and merged them. It is much better.
It is easy to point out examples where this would not make sense, but you must ignore the incredible inconvenience of navigating back and forth to even present the argument. The reality is that the s8 and + are remarkably similar.
Based on this logic, we should also have separate forums for snapdragon and exynos devices.
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well put. Im surprised the poll is pretty even. Do people want them separated just because they think their S8 variant is better than the other?
They are both literally the same, sans display, battery, and now UFS storage (for certain variants). Yes, the exynos version has root and will likely get better rom support, but every other forum (Q&A, Apps, Accessories, General, etc) pertain to both phones. Itd even be better if the admins made the forums separate for the Exynos and the Snapdragon variants since theres more of a difference there than s8 vs s8+. Between the name calling and thought process behind this, I really question a bunch of you. I didnt have a Pixel but the regular and XL forums should've been merged also.
Also, who cares about battery threads. They are mostly useless, and its not difficult to state what s8 you have.
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Oh god, cry me a river...
So maybe samsung should just get rid of the two names and call em s8 regardless of screen sizes, battery...etc.
Think about it, if you take a moment to actually think, what your asking is pointless because look at the other sub-sections this forum has based on carriers. What makes you think people from verizon want to see info from at&t or Tmo? I think every memeber has a right to choose to view what section or sub-sections they choose to view rather than having it forced down their throats.
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No, carrier variants and Rom/development forums should still keep their respective forums. I've updated the OP with what I would suggest for forum merging. I'm saying that the Q&A, Guides/news/discussion, Themes/apps/mods, and accessories (yes even this, if theres a case made for the s8+, there likely is one for the S8 as well) forums should be merged as they all basically pertain to either phone. Your car analogy doesn't work here since cars are extremely more complicated when the engine, trim level, packages are different when it comes to modding, accessories, questions, etc. The s8 and s8+ are basically the same sans the screen size and battery size; it is A LOT more simpler and clear cut than cars when it comes to mods, apps, accessories, etc. The Pixel and Pixel XL should've had those specific forums merged as well.
Nothing is forced down your throat, what you and others are missing is shared knowledge as another user pointed out. I wouldn't have found out about Adhell or Disconnect Pro if I was just browsing the S8+ forums, since it was posted on the S8 forum. Another example is my magnetic wireless charging mod for the S7 edge, which works on both the S7 edge or S7 and any other android phone with wireless charging. If I don't post it in the regular s7 forum, people who don't have the s7 edge and do not browse the s7 edge forum will likely miss out on this. If I choose to remake this guide for the S8, should I just post it in the S8 forums or also the S8+ forums? Does everything read through both forums? Instead of going through 4 combined forums (Q&A, General, Apps, Accessories), you have to read through 8. That's really a waste of time and why should app devs or accessory creators manage TWO threads where the same question is asked over and over when it was likely asked/answered in the other thread?
Once you learn what efficiency and simplicity is, it will make sense. What has been done in the past is not necessary the best way of doing it. Learn from the mistakes and fix it. It amazes me that people would rather separate forums for each different sized phones model (s8+/s8, s7edge/s7, pixel/pixel XL). One is not better than the other, we should join forces and share knowledge, tips, questions, etc.
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Oh god, cry me a river...
So maybe samsung should just get rid of the two names and call em s8 regardless of screen sizes, battery...etc.
Think about it, if you take a moment to actually think, what your asking is pointless because look at the other sub-sections this forum has based on carriers. What makes you think people from verizon want to see info from at&t or Tmo? I think every memeber has a right to choose to view what section or sub-sections they choose to view rather than having it forced down their throats.
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Thread cleaned up and closed.
There is no need to call out names, it? Kindly respect each other other and their opinions.
Secondly, this is not a place to make your request of the centralized forum. You can take it here [All XDA Members] Requests to Moderators and Admins or New device forum requests.
I wouldn't comment on the behalf of admin. But I am pretty sure the admins have a pretty good reason to create separate forums. And they would be glad to address your concern.
Good luck!
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Vatsal,
Forum Moderator.