Hello Android Developers | ROM Flashers | Hackers | Modifiers | "I want my phone to look cool" People
First of all, I'd like to point out a few interesting things about this device.
-This is an Android powered phone that is officially supported to Android 2.3.6 Gingerbread
-The is the Galaxy S 4G. It is part of the Original Galaxy S (1st Generation) series and was once offered by ]"THREE" carriers. Mainly T-Mobile, secondly Wind Mobile, and most infrequently, Telus. The unique think about this phone is it was the first 4G Galaxy S Phone on T-Mobile.
-The model numbers are SGH-T959V(For T-Mobile), SGH-T959W(For Wind Mobile), and SGH-T959P(For Telus).
-A vast majority of support on this forum goes to the SGH-T959V for T-Mobile as it is the most common. There are a few T959W users on this forum who also have a few important threads, as well as if you are a T959W user, it is smart to note that yes, you can generally flash T959V roms, yet, you should "NOT" flash T959V Bootloaders and other such partitions such as the Boot, SBL, and Param sections as this MAY result in a permanent brick.
-There are no current T959P specific posts, and it is unknown whether there are any Telus users here. It is currently unknown but probably consistent that these users may be able to flash T959V roms.
OST OR ASK QUESTION
NOW THE MAIN POINT
First, If you haven't read the above section. GO BACK AND READ IT
MAIN MESSAGE
To all noobs, the T-Mobile (WInd or Telus) Galaxy S 4G is NOT internally similar to its predecessor, the T-Mobile Galaxy S Vibrant which lacks 4G and Gingerbread support. If you flash a Galaxy S Vibrant ROM, your phone may (and probably will) die, and will likely be void from warranty if you still have it! You should only flash ROMS available in THiS forum. All other Galaxy S variants including Galaxy S I9000, and other Galaxy S SGH model ROMS, Galaxy Y ROMS, Galaxy S II ROMS, Galaxy S III ROMS, Galaxy Note I ROMS, Galaxy Note II Roms, Galaxy Note 10.1 ROMS, Galaxy Tab ROMS, Galaxy Player ROMS, and any other Android Phone ROM will also kill the phone.
The label, Galaxy S doesn't mean Galaxy S "4G". There is a "HUGE" difference.
THERE ARE NOW AN INCOMING FLOOD OF GALAXY S "4" USERS.... THIS IS AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT DEVICE... PLEASE POST IN THE FORUM THAT CORRESPONDS TO THE MODEL NUMBER BEHIND YOUR BATTERY
THE MAIN PURPOSE OF THIS WARNING IS TO STOP GALAXY S 4G AND GALAXY S VIBRANT USERS FROM FLASHING ROMS THAT ARE NOT FROM THEIR EXACT PHONE'S FORUM AS WELL AS TO STOP AN INCOMING FLOOD OF GALAXY S 4 USERS TO POST QUESTIONS IN HERE
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Bump bump BUMP!!!
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Bump for sticky.
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Seriously, sticky this beast. Its almost every day I see a thread with some poor sap who didn't do ANY research, has a bricked phone because he was trying to flash a vibrant ROM XD
While part of me says that if they can't bother to do the research before messing with a very expencive device then they deserve to be bricked with a voided warranty but then the other part says that this is good info so it is now stuck.
i do have to agree that this is good info, but isn't this referring to #3 in the 10 commandments thread? just wondering.
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i do have to agree that this is good info, but isn't this referring to #3 in the 10 commandments thread? just wondering.
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Good point. From some of the threads I've been reading, it doesn't sound like some people even pay attention to the stickies as it is.
Maybe the better question: Does having yet another sticky stop people from posting stupid stuff? Probably not.
I'm proud to be a part of this forum and community, and I'm tired of having to filter through a bunch of crap to find the needle(useful post) in the haystack(thread).
I hope that we, as a community, can band together to report abusive users (by clicking the alert triangle in the title bar of the abusive user's comment) and to help nurture the newbies to feel safe to ask questions so they don't follow bad advise and bootloop or worse... brick.
I hope that this being sticky catches someone's eye so they don't flash the wrong roms, if they are on other phones.
For the record I came to this site after flashing a vibrant rom through(gasp) ROM Manager. You know the story. Only option close to this phone was VIBRANT(this was back in feb and still the same). Some better googling led me here. Fixed my problem without so much as a post. Other people think and act different than I do. They will ask for help. They will be noobs. It's your choice whether or not to help. If you choose not to help than let that be it.
Oh bye the way NO ONE reads stickies
hechoen said:
For the record I came to this site after flashing a vibrant rom through(gasp) ROM Manager. You know the story. Only option close to this phone was VIBRANT(this was back in feb and still the same). Some better googling led me here. Fixed my problem without so much as a post. Other people think and act different than I do. They will ask for help. They will be noobs. It's your choice whether or not to help. If you choose not to help than let that be it.
Oh bye the way NO ONE reads stickies
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Well then they deserve what they get.
Rewritting the OS on your phone without doing the needed research is just plain stupid
zelendel said:
Well then they deserve what they get.
Rewritting the OS on your phone without doing the needed research is just plain stupid
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I thanked, because it seems to be the biggest problem with this site.
No one reads the stickies.
Should the site maybe implement a lightbox of some sort that pops up to remind users of the rules and reading the stickies and ops?
EDIT: It would be annoying, but if it worked, it would become less annoying to *not* have to scroll through 100-200 page threads of newbs fighting over stupid crap posted in the sticky and op...
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I thanked, because it seems to be the biggest problem with this site.
No one reads the stickies.
Should the site maybe implement a lightbox of some sort that pops up to remind users of the rules and reading the stickies and ops?
EDIT: It would be annoying, but if it worked, it would become less annoying to *not* have to scroll through 100-200 page threads of newbs fighting over stupid crap posted in the sticky and op...
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We have tried to make things as easy as we can but in the end this is a development site so when joining is is expected that people research and learn. I just wish people would stop following videos that are mostly out dated. It is amazing how lazy some people are. To be honest I am all out of pity and sympathy for those that don't do their homework. Its not rocket science after all lol
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We have tried to make things as easy as we can but in the end this is a development site so when joining is is expected that people research and learn. I just wish people would stop following videos that are mostly out dated. It is amazing how lazy some people are. To be honest I am all out of pity and sympathy for those that don't do their homework. Its not rocket science after all lol
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It's not rocket surgery or brain science. The simple fact is people want an easy way to do things. That's why they(myself inluded) are here. My homework is my own. So is my frustration. I ask not for sympathy but for pentance. I am so fuc?ing tired of off the cuff remarks from users of this site that claim to "know it all" but slam some poor ****er asking for help. How do you build a comminity on top of that? Search for sure. Notice the hottest topic right now is this one?
Zeledel
Do not expect people to be you. I sure as hell don't
I don't but I do expect them to do what I did when started, the same thing that everyone is expected to do. And that is to spend a good amount of time reading. When I started I knew nothing of modding and only had basic computer skills. So I joined and spent weeks reading up on what I was doing before I even attempted to software unlock my device. If you asked a question here without doing your research you were flamed left and right as it was and still is expected that people do the research before posting. Mainly sense modding your phone breaks your warranty and if you bricked it there was no way back and no returning to stock to return it.
As for the off the cuff remarks, I am sorry it has come to this. You can ask any one of my team mates. I am the first to spend hours upon hours helping people. Hell I have even spent 4 hours on an international call to help a user that has bricked his phone. In the end it comes down to if you do the research and then after all the work it is still acting up then people are more opted to help.
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I don't but I do expect them to do what I did when started, the same thing that everyone is expected to do. And that is to spend a good amount of time reading. When I started I knew nothing of modding and only had basic computer skills. So I joined and spent weeks reading up on what I was doing before I even attempted to software unlock my device. If you asked a question here without doing your research you were flamed left and right as it was and still is expected that people do the research before posting. Mainly sense modding your phone breaks your warranty and if you bricked it there was no way back and no returning to stock to return it.
As for the off the cuff remarks, I am sorry it has come to this. You can ask any one of my team mates. I am the first to spend hours upon hours helping people. Hell I have even spent 4 hours on an international call to help a user that has bricked his phone. In the end it comes down to if you do the research and then after all the work it is still acting up then people are more opted to help.
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One thing to remember alot of people are not you. We agree are many things. People are still not you. Because A = B if I am A or B than we are the same. C is always an option. Be the better person don't expect or think humane kind will hold themselves in that same regard. Be who you are but remember C is also an option.
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One thing to remember alot of people are not you. We agree are many things. People are still not you. Because A = B if I am A or B than we are the same. C is always an option. Be the better person don't expect or think humane kind will hold themselves in that same regard. Be who you are but remember C is also an option.
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Agreed.
For anyone that has been keeping up. Please don't think that I am trying to say that I am like some tech guru. Lol far from it. I only meant to show what can happen when you put some love, effort, common since, strong searchfu toss in some grey hairs into your device. Never know the guy that joins XDA tomorrow may become the next CM.
If you believe you can or if you believe you can't either way you are right.
pft.
Sometimes when your having a bad day, keeping your fingers off the keyboard makes things better.
I had to re-read hechoen 3 times until I got it.
agreed. Also, people should not flash to their phone until they really know what they are doing. When I first rooted my G1, I read for 2 months before trying. Also, I ended up frying my rom and being stuck i bootloader for a day, but I never posted a single thread anywhere(I wasn't a member). So before people say "HELP, am I bricked?" they should try "EVERYTHING" to solve their own problems. The senior members aren't the phone company warranty plans.
google does a good job of leading other galaxy variants to different forum. When i first googled this phone google led me to the i9000 forum, and from reviews and comparisons on other sites they say this phone is very similar to the vibrant so its easy to get confused.Its bad enough samsung has like 10 phones with the galaxy name on it too. I think this thread should be stickied on general and Q and A also, its very easy to be misled here.
Sticky vs. Wiki
airfluip1 said:
To all noobs, the galaxy s 4g isn't the vibrant, if you flash a vibrant rom, your phone may die. You should only flash roms available in this forum. Galaxy S I9000 roms and GS2 roms will also kill the phone. The label, Galaxy S doesn't mean Galaxy S "4G". There is a "HUGE" difference.
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So, why is the xda-dev wiki leading noobs to believe otherwise?
Clicking on that link (which is supposedly a list of all the Galaxy S models), we see the Galaxy S 4G nestled in amongst all the generic Galaxy S models. Shouldn't there be a separate section here for the 4G just as there is for a Galaxy S II and a Galaxy Tablet?
It's one thing to make this post a Sticky (which may or may not be found via searching), and quite another to deliberately classify the Galaxy S 4G as a Galaxy S on the Wiki (which is much more prominent than a Sticky)!
p.s.
I had specifically asked a moderator to create a new group for the Galaxy S 4G over 6 months ago...
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So, why is the xda-dev wiki leading noobs to believe otherwise?
Clicking on that link (which is supposedly a list of all the Galaxy S models), we see the Galaxy S 4G nestled in amongst all the generic Galaxy S models. Shouldn't there be a separate section here for the 4G just as there is for a Galaxy S II and a Galaxy Tablet?
It's one thing to make this post a Sticky (which may or may not be found via searching), and quite another to deliberately classify the Galaxy S 4G as a Galaxy S on the Wiki (which is much more prominent than a Sticky)!
p.s.
I had specifically asked a moderator to create a new group for the Galaxy S 4G over 6 months ago...
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I actually beg to differ. The galaxy s 4g is a 'galaxy s' phone based on the s5pc1xx (specifically the s5pc110 in PoP with the onenand-flex and dram, just like the epic4g and fascinate) processor (hummingbird chipset). The sgs2 is based on the exynos chipset.
The tablet IS in a class of it's own.
I don't understand your post.
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Related
http://www.xda-developers.com/communicate-with-samsung/ samsung and xda's new way to ask questions check it out see if we finally get answers
edit: By the way you should check out http://twitter.com/supercurio if i could have anyone represent me right now i believe he would be the best
so, we are only allowed to ask questions we should already know the answer to, or could look up via search engine? C'mon, really?...really?
I dont know just providing the link saw it on samsung johns twitter we will see what questions actually get answerd
does anyone know if xda sells out cheap, or if samsung had to really wine and dine first?
at any rate I say boycott the new "communication" attempt like a plague
javi80 said:
does anyone know if xda sells out cheap, or if samsung had to really wine and dine first?
at any rate I say boycott the new "communication" attempt like a plague
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i for one am going to compiled all the questions i have about what doesnt work with my captivate and my gf vibrant and send it and probably will never hear back on those issues and still be angry with samsung im about 200% sure this is mine and her last samsung device but answers could lower that to about 150%
hmmmm ...... I thought xda wasn't corporate.....
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I did not open this thread to bash anyone just to inform people of samsungs next step so please leave that out
Example of good questions:
What’s the difference between Super AMOLED Plus and Super AMOLED?
Why did Samsung name its flagship phones “Galaxy S” … what is the significance of “S”?
What determines whether Samsung upgrades a phone to the next version of Android?
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i hope whoever created this list of "good questions"
didn't do so with a straight face.....doesn't samsung have their own support site for basic knowledge/softball question of that nature?
Not trying to flame but that seems pointless.
PS - i think it is completely asinine to say that "where is froyo" is a bad question or off limits when along with questions about flawed gps or random shutdowns is probably the most pertinent and pressing question especially given that it had been promised by the end of 2010....my 2 cents.
this is useless. its a big pr stunt. all of the questions that are "good questions" are the ones we dont need someone inside samsung to tell us. the "bad questions" are the only ones we want answered. yet again, samsung fails.
Just sent a question, a good question by their standards. Will post back when and if I get a reply.
step one: google "samsungjohn" or "samsung john"
step two: only submit questions about those questionable results...
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this is useless. its a big pr stunt. all of the questions that are "good questions" are the ones we dont need someone inside samsung to tell us. the "bad questions" are the only ones we want answered. yet again, samsung fails.
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i asked my good and my bad questions and probably wont get any answers but might as well ask them it took 2 sec and i was done who knows what will happen
Yup, all the questions I have would be in the bad category.....figures.
Pathetic. I'm ashamed that xda has become Samsung's propaganda machine. Tell Samsung to answer the questions we have about gps and froyo. No one cares about the S in Galaxy S. That's a horrible question.
Take the page down tell Samsung to do their own advertising.
NO ONE RESPECTS SELLOUTS.
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i was taught in school that there are no bad questions just bad answers. Is no answer a bad answer?
they should give us a more comprehensive list of acceptable questions.
and since they will only answer acceptable questions and generally know what the acceptable questions are why don't they just release it as a FAQ.
the only part of that form that makes any sense if the developer feedback.
my questions
"Thank you for opening a line of communication to your user base. My questions are,
Does Samsung see a value in the work that the devs have done on Xda?
Does this value help or hurt our chances of future updates to the phones?
Now that multiple threads by SamsungJohn have been open and closed due to obvious and just flaming (flaming could have been toned down), Does samsung actually see the anger of its customer base and are they willing to actually do anything about it. This site has a lot more pull when it comes to word of mouth than what they perceive.
why are you only wanting non technical questions that we can get the answers to by reading our manuals, or searching on the internet"
Hopefully i won't get flagged/banned or whatever.
I'm a full time software developer. If I told my boss that asking when my next software version will be released was a bad question I would be fired.
Samsung - You're fired.
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I did not open this thread to bash anyone just to inform people of samsungs next step so please leave that out
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When it comes to samsung...expect collateral damage....
My only question is froyo...i have no other questions....
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phlunkie said:
my questions
"Thank you for opening a line of communication to your user base. My questions are,
Does Samsung see a value in the work that the devs have done on Xda?
Does this value help or hurt our chances of future updates to the phones?
Now that multiple threads by SamsungJohn have been open and closed due to obvious and just flaming (flaming could have been toned down), Does samsung actually see the anger of its customer base and are they willing to actually do anything about it. This site has a lot more pull when it comes to word of mouth than what they perceive.
why are you only wanting non technical questions that we can get the answers to by reading our manuals, or searching on the internet"
Hopefully i won't get flagged/banned or whatever.
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Seems like good questions to me
I am asking all please don't attack me for posting this as I am but I am desperate....
Hi, I wanted to ask after installing the Stock UVKD1 – Flashable T959VuVKD1zip file will T-Mobile be able to tell I was rooted at one time? What happened is.. I was rooted and after flashing this I wasn't. Not accusing anyone, actually glad because it gave me a reason to return the phone. This purchase wasn't planned but because I own the Vibrant 3g (1st one phone) and love it, love the themes, everything about it. So at T-Mobile store saw 4g and bought it. Nothing like the Vibrant.
The ones that have contributed to this site have been amazing!!! It's too bad that there are so many with just gripes and complaints. Over at the Vibrant sites everyone works together and it's fun. Not a developer, have had many soft bricks but have fun with my phone and enjoy learning.
This is long because I have seen so many attack others and hope people won't waste their time on me because I am returning the phone and haven't posted anything before this anticipating someone would jump on me about where I posted or the answer is elsewhere "go to that forum".
The fact is that everything I have looked at and I have looked everywhere people are having problems and everyone's is a little different than mine so I just want to know if with this rom on my phone can I return it to T-Mobile, to day is the 19th day and I only have 20.
Thanks in advance for any answer someone can provide me with.
im not sure but I don't think you can get D1 over the air right now. however, that doesn't mean you rooted the phone, just that you flashed it. I suspect they might feel the same way about that though. If I was you I would flash from http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=978836 and then remove root as explained in that forum.
Please feel free to thank this post if this helped.
wrong section .. should have asked in general but download root checker if it says no root then you are fine
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wrong section .. should have asked in general but download root checker if it says no root then you are fine
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I don't think you read my post completely. I know I am not rooted. I do have some knowledge about what to do or I wouldn't be messing with a phone, this was going to be my main phone and I kept my Vibrant to play with and learn.
I was only asking about the rom because I didn't know what rom was on the phone when purchased.
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im not sure but I don't think you can get D1 over the air right now. however, that doesn't mean you rooted the phone, just that you flashed it. I suspect they might feel the same way about that though. If I was you I would flash from http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=978836 and then remove root as explained in that forum.
Please feel free to thank this post if this helped.
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Thank you so much, I will foll.ow the thread. I am already removing all signs of root. I was just concerned about the rom version.
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I am asking all please don't attack me for posting this as I am but I am desperate....
Hi, I wanted to ask after installing the Stock UVKD1 – Flashable T959VuVKD1zip file will T-Mobile be able to tell I was rooted at one time? What happened is.. I was rooted and after flashing this I wasn't. Not accusing anyone, actually glad because it gave me a reason to return the phone. This purchase wasn't planned but because I own the Vibrant 3g (1st one phone) and love it, love the themes, everything about it. So at T-Mobile store saw 4g and bought it. Nothing like the Vibrant.
The ones that have contributed to this site have been amazing!!! It's too bad that there are so many with just gripes and complaints. Over at the Vibrant sites everyone works together and it's fun. Not a developer, have had many soft bricks but have fun with my phone and enjoy learning.
This is long because I have seen so many attack others and hope people won't waste their time on me because I am returning the phone and haven't posted anything before this anticipating someone would jump on me about where I posted or the answer is elsewhere "go to that forum".
The fact is that everything I have looked at and I have looked everywhere people are having problems and everyone's is a little different than mine so I just want to know if with this rom on my phone can I return it to T-Mobile, to day is the 19th day and I only have 20.
Thanks in advance for any answer someone can provide me with.
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Well since this KD1 Rom is a t-mobile update, I don't think you'll have any issues returning it. I would unroot the phone though (if is rooted). I'm not an expert; I'm like on the same boat as you are which is learning all this great stuff, but would t-mobile be able to tell if you were rooted once? not really sure.
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im not sure but I don't think you can get D1 over the air right now. however, that doesn't mean you rooted the phone, just that you flashed it. I suspect they might feel the same way about that though. If I was you I would flash from http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=978836 and then remove root as explained in that forum.
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Thanks. I have that file so I am good shape.
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Well since this KD1 Rom is a t-mobile update, I don't think you'll have any issues returning it. I would unroot the phone though (if is rooted). I'm not an expert; I'm like on the same boat as you are which is learning all this great stuff, but would t-mobile be able to tell if you were rooted once? not really sure.
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Thanks for the help. I removed all signs of root so after I swap out the 32 card for the 16 finish getting that straight I should be in good shape.
You might know this, where was the movie on the phone? I zipped it and got off right away so I don't even remember. If you know that would be great.
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Thank you so much, I will foll.ow the thread. I am already removing all signs of root. I was just concerned about the rom version.
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#1 wrong section, please read before posting in a section that is defined for development only, not general questions.
#2 TMobile retails stores won't even care, probably won't even check.
#3 If they did check, as long as you are on build T959VUVKB5 or KD1 your fine.
DjIsD said:
I am asking all please don't attack me for posting this as I am but I am desperate....
Hi, I wanted to ask after installing the Stock UVKD1 – Flashable T959VuVKD1zip file will T-Mobile be able to tell I was rooted at one time? What happened is.. I was rooted and after flashing this I wasn't. Not accusing anyone, actually glad because it gave me a reason to return the phone. This purchase wasn't planned but because I own the Vibrant 3g (1st one phone) and love it, love the themes, everything about it. So at T-Mobile store saw 4g and bought it. Nothing like the Vibrant.
The ones that have contributed to this site have been amazing!!! It's too bad that there are so many with just gripes and complaints. Over at the Vibrant sites everyone works together and it's fun. Not a developer, have had many soft bricks but have fun with my phone and enjoy learning.
This is long because I have seen so many attack others and hope people won't waste their time on me because I am returning the phone and haven't posted anything before this anticipating someone would jump on me about where I posted or the answer is elsewhere "go to that forum".
The fact is that everything I have looked at and I have looked everywhere people are having problems and everyone's is a little different than mine so I just want to know if with this rom on my phone can I return it to T-Mobile, to day is the 19th day and I only have 20.
Thanks in advance for any answer someone can provide me with.
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What problems were you having with it anyhow?
It sounds like you must have been trying to make modifications to it that are either untested or not designed to work properly with the SGS4G.
I know alot of people call it the Vibrant 4G but it's not the same, there are alot of differences with it, so it's easy for someone with less experience to mess it up. Not saying you don't have experience, but it sounds like you breeze through phones quicker than the flick of a light switch.
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#1 wrong section, please read before posting in a section that is defined for development only, not general questions.
#2 TMobile retails stores won't even care, probably won't even check.
#3 If they did check, as long as you are on build T959VUVKB5 or KD1 your fine.
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I thought you might have helped being that it was your thread i got the rom from and I asked the question there, sent you a pm but this is the last day to return (typing while files are moving from one sd to the other). Wrong again, you seemed to be one of the ones actually developing something for this phone and not wasting time to criticize people. Glad to be returning the phone and returning to the Vibrant forum.
People should do what I'm about to before buying a phone they want to mess with and that is check out these forums what's going with the development and if there are an overwhelming amount of negativity. And I know that's what some of you did, just thought I'd save someone the time of posting it.
Once again I am learning as I'm sure some others out there are too.
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What problems were you having with it anyhow?
It sounds like you must have been trying to make modifications to it that are either untested or not designed to work properly with the SGS4G.
I know alot of people call it the Vibrant 4G but it's not the same, there are alot of differences with it, so it's easy for someone with less experience to mess it up. Not saying you don't have experience, but it sounds like you breeze through phones quicker than the flick of a light switch.
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I have 2 phones the one I am exchanging (returning) the Sam T959V Galaxy S 4 and the Sam T959 Vibrant. That's at least how it's printed on the boxes.
I have not done anything from the Vibrant forum on the Galaxy S 4g phone. I flashed the rom from the thread you posted and went from root to no root. All SU apps wouldn't even open because what was needed wasn't in the needed directory(s).
All's good. Thanks.
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I thought you might have helped being that it was your thread i got the rom from and I asked the question there, sent you a pm but this is the last day to return (typing while files are moving from one sd to the other). Wrong again, you seemed to be one of the ones actually developing something for this phone and not wasting time to criticize people. Glad to be returning the phone and returning to the Vibrant forum.
People should do what I'm about to before buying a phone they want to mess with and that is check out these forums what's going with the development and if there are an overwhelming amount of negativity. And I know that's what some of you did, just thought I'd save someone the time of posting it.
Once again I am learning as I'm sure some others out there are too.
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It honestly doesn't have much to do with negativity.
More so with forum etiquette. I'm not trying to be rude to you, I merely telling you, no matter how much you post "Don't flame me" "don't be negative"...
If you post in the wrong forum anywhere on XDA, you're gonna get a negative response. That's a given not specific to this section.
I didn't see your post over there, until just now. Again cross posting is a no no, I understand you needed and answer. The best place for that would have been the general forum. not the development forum. It clearly says General Q&A section.
You can return the phone, I love my SGS4G and it works great. It seems like your mixing the two issues. Other than a few people on here, the majority get along just fine with no issues.
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I have 2 phones the one I am exchanging (returning) the Sam T959V Galaxy S 4 and the Sam T959 Vibrant. That's at least how it's printed on the boxes.
I have not done anything from the Vibrant forum on the Galaxy S 4g phone. I flashed the rom from the thread you posted and went from root to no root. All SU apps wouldn't even open because what was needed wasn't in the needed directory(s).
All's good. Thanks.
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After checking your posts it does appear you were doing some SD card swapping and what not.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=13410120#post13410120
"The thing is, is that I also have the vibrant galaxy s 4g and was using the 16gb sd for both until my 32 came in and realized, not a good idea. So until the 32 came in I decided to just work on this phone but wanted to get any signs of the 4g off this phone so was cleaning it up and now here I am....."
also you said
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=9788716#post9788716
"I won't repeat what I already posted but have gone though over 103 phones (unfortunately, kids) in one year about 90% smart phones."
So if you have gone through 103 phones in one year, than either you're extremely picky, or you just like new phones.
Either way I don't fault you, but don't bag on this forum because you don't know the right section to post in, and you haven't even posted for help regarding the "issues" with your SGS4G.
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After checking your posts it does appear you were doing some SD card swapping and what not.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=13410120#post13410120
"The thing is, is that I also have the vibrant galaxy s 4g and was using the 16gb sd for both until my 32 came in and realized, not a good idea. So until the 32 came in I decided to just work on this phone but wanted to get any signs of the 4g off this phone so was cleaning it up and now here I am....."
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=9788716#post9788716
"I won't repeat what I already posted but have gone though over 103 phones (unfortunately, kids) in one year about 90% smart phones."
So if you have gone through 103 phones in one year, than either you're extremely picky, or you just like new phones.
Either way I don't fault you, but don't bag on this forum because you don't know the right section to post in, and you haven't even posted for help regarding the "issues" with your SGS4G.
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Didn't have a problem with the cards and don't have a problem with the phone either so I didn't go over to the threads you posted. I have the sd card that came with the phone and the 32 as well as a 16 for the T959. Use my computer a lot to transfer files and have multiple directories to keep it all separate. No problem there.
If I hadn't bought it after the T959 I am sure I would be keeping it as you are. The amount of development here on XDA is great and I didn't realize that the 2nd memory card (the internal on the T959) that is used like a 2nd sd card but at the same time like the internal memory on all the other phones was removed on the SGS4G. Became spoiled with that as well as the builds on the T959 for themes, mods, roms, etc. Don't mean to insult anyone so please don't take it that way.
You've answered all my questions, thank you and I will contact the correct person letting them know question answered, posted in wrong forum (and multiple times, won't forget that) so this thread can be removed or however they handle the errors (or maybe I'm the first).
Who told you you have 20 days? Standard is 14 for returns
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Didn't have a problem with the cards and don't have a problem with the phone either so I didn't go over to the threads you posted. I have the sd card that came with the phone and the 32 as well as a 16 for the T959. Use my computer a lot to transfer files and have multiple directories to keep it all separate. No problem there.
If I hadn't bought it after the T959 I am sure I would be keeping it as you are. The amount of development here on XDA is great and I didn't realize that the 2nd memory card (the internal on the T959) that is used like a 2nd sd card but at the same time like the internal memory on all the other phones was removed on the SGS4G. Became spoiled with that as well as the builds on the T959 for themes, mods, roms, etc. Don't mean to insult anyone so please don't take it that way.
You've answered all my questions, thank you and I will contact the correct person letting them know question answered, posted in wrong forum (and multiple times, won't forget that) so this thread can be removed or however they handle the errors (or maybe I'm the first).
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Yeah I hear you. I came from a G1 so it was an upgrade. Not much of an upgrade for a vibrant user.
The threads I posted were actually quotes from posts that you had posted on other forums indicating you had issues, but not in the SGS4G forums, in the vibrant forums.
Glad you have no issues with it. No harm done, just to avoid this always check which forum your posting in and try to avoid cross posting.
If I helped lol feel free to click the "Thanks" button.
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Who told you you have 20 days? Standard is 14 for returns
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T-Mobile customer service and I called the store, but I have been so side tracked I didn't even there. Tomorrow is my 20th day technically and just noticed I had a lock screen on it the phone I need to get off so maybe I'll just keep this too and try and make some changes to it to make it fun.
Customer service has been wrong before, but I have always worked things out with them. Been with them since 2000 and am down to 5 lines from 7 and a data line so they have been pretty good but then again I guess policy is policy. Then again I do know that customer service (return by mail) was up to 30 days and the store was way shorter. I am surprised it was 20.
Yeah.. tenure does mean something with the company.. one of the great things a out tmo
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You'd be suprised.. a mom came into the store with a bootlooped mytouch4g with. Cyanogenmod boot animation and wanted a warranty exchange.. I kind of loled and turned her away
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#1 wrong section, please read before posting in a section that is defined for development only, not general questions.
#2 TMobile retails stores won't even care, probably won't even check.
#3 If they did check, as long as you are on build T959VUVKB5 or KD1 your fine.
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So I don't have any where else to put it(I think it should go under development but the rules say - if you didn't create it it doesn't belong there) but I found this post really interesting so Enjoy
I noticed it with the nexus s, may this be the reason we'll not get ICS??
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I noticed it with the nexus s, may this be the reason we'll not get ICS??
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not at all - it has nothing to do with it(as far as I understand)
Interesting read, but why would this belong in the development forum?
You did the right thing posting it in the general forum,as this is exactly where it belongs.
MarkP80nj said:
Interesting read, but why would this belong in the development forum?
You did the right thing posting it in the general forum,as this is exactly where it belongs.
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I thought it belonged to development because its talking about hmm...development but I guess here was a better place after all
Originally Posted by MarkP80nj
Interesting read, but why would this belong in the development forum?
You did the right thing posting it in the general forum,as this is exactly where it belongs.
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I thought it belonged to development because its talking about hmm...development but I guess here was a better place after all
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This is a common misconception about the development forum.
It's not for things talking about development.
It's for things you have developed.
IOW, the only time one should start a thread on that forum is when one has developed something, and wants to share it with the community.
Anyways, sorry for the derail.
Not trying to sound like an ass or anything.
You did the right thing, and thanks for sharing the link.
MarkP80nj said:
This is a common misconception about the development forum.
It's not for things talking about development.
It's for things you have developed.
IOW, the only time one should start a thread on that forum is when one has developed something, and wants to share it with the community.
Anyways, sorry for the derail.
Not trying to sound like an ass or anything.
You did the right thing, and thanks for sharing the link.
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sure, np don't worry about it
In spite of Samsung's best efforts to bury the news by reporting it a couple of days before Christmas, Friday's disclosure that the Galaxy S and Galaxy Tab won't get upgraded to Android 4.0 drew a lot of justified ire. Now the company seems to be backtracking like a champ, as reported by ajnews in Korea, by claiming that it will review the viability of updating those two devices in response to strong customer demand. While restating the difficulties of fitting its entire software footprint onto the Galaxy S and Tab's limited memory capacity, Samsung has been quoted as saying it'll investigate ways to try and make it work. We've reached out to Samsung for official comment on the matter and will update you as soon as we hear back.
http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/27/2663320/samsung-galaxy-s-and-galaxy-tab-ics-upgrade-review
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In spite of Samsung's best efforts to bury the news by reporting it a couple of days before Christmas, Friday's disclosure that the Galaxy S and Galaxy Tab won't get upgraded to Android 4.0 drew a lot of justified ire. Now the company seems to be backtracking like a champ, as reported by ajnews in Korea, by claiming that it will review the viability of updating those two devices in response to strong customer demand. While restating the difficulties of fitting its entire software footprint onto the Galaxy S and Tab's limited memory capacity, Samsung has been quoted as saying it'll investigate ways to try and make it work. We've reached out to Samsung for official comment on the matter and will update you as soon as we hear back.
http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/27/2663320/samsung-galaxy-s-and-galaxy-tab-ics-upgrade-review
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awesome news - 10x for sharing
Why has the ''is this necessary'' thread been deleted ? and the other one locked ?
There was more people against this opening of a sub-forum than there was for it.
Please listen to us and remove this tmobile section, It isnt needed, and deleting the threads that wanted this section gone is way out of order.. We didnt break any rules..
This is our section, our phone, We dont need nor want this silly tmobile section.. So please remove it !!
If you think im wrong............Im not, Allow me to open a poll as to whether we should keep it or not ??
c'mon mods be fair ??!!??!!
It got removed because it would just start issues with other members of the forum for people who want it or not same thing with this thread.
This is the wrong section your posting in anyway.
What's so hard about looking in other section and looking in T-Mobile section.
The administrators on the site said they want it as a local moderator just spoke to them about it, Majority want it anyway.
well the poll says different... At least leave this thread for a few days and get some statistics before making a decision.
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To be fair i agree with azzle here,bit stupid to have some extra thread for tmobile..end of the day this can all be kept in the android dev section. This is daft.
suprised the mod agreed to this anyway,unless he was pm'ed by everyone asking for it,now if thats the case..then fair enough
OK people, i have re-named this thread and moved it to its proper section. I will allow this to continue, unless it turns into a flame war. We all have opinions, i ask you to respect others.
The extra dev section was asked for, and the admin gave it. Its unlikely its going to be removed, so we will have to live with it.
cheers man ! If its what the people want.. Keep it.. I just think its gunna cause so much confusion when development really gets going.. That things would have been better left how they were..
Im all up for the Q&A Section... If there happens to be differences between Tmobile and International version, I will add it to my threads FAQ section...
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What's so hard about looking in other section and looking in T-Mobile section.
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Whats so hard of not having that section and making double download links (as rom makers will make 2 different versions anyway).
Let the vote stay here for atleast 2 days, then you can see some "results"
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It got removed because it would just start issues with other members of the forum for people who want it or not same thing with this thread.
This is the wrong section your posting in anyway.
What's so hard about looking in other section and looking in T-Mobile section.
The administrators on the site said they want it as a local moderator just spoke to them about it, Majority want it anyway.
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The point is, we have so little development as it is, that splitting the forum into two makes it look like we have even less development, and that could deter people away from the phone and thus more development. Both phones can use both roms so there is no point. If there are small issues such as wifi, we can have stickies.
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The point is, we have so little development as it is, that splitting the forum into two makes it look like we have even less development, and that could deter people away from the phone and thus more development. Both phones can use both roms so there is no point. If there are small issues such as wifi, we can have stickies.
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True I'm not going to argue with that cause ur right.
but It's not hard looking in both sections.
If there are incompatible features between t-mo-us and the international One S, keep them both, if not, merge them. Or at least rename it t-mo US, as t-mo has presence in other countries as well.
The second tmous thread is not needed, if the dev of the rom would simply add to there title.
[rom][sense 4.0] [tmous/EU] [NAME OF YOUR ROM][ANYTHING EXTRA AOSP/STOCK] [Updated XX/XX/XXXX]
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True I'm not going to argue with that cause ur right.
but It's not hard looking in both sections.
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I'm not saying it is, and I usually ventured to the Verizon side when I had a GSM Galaxy Nexus I just don't want development on this device stunted.
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I am going to request another subforum for my own gsm operator. Or maybe even forum for my own mobile :what:
Seriously, this is ridiculous.
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Agreed josh. I was told by senior mods that they did it because "it's what users wanted". Well, that's kind of interesting, because we're NOT wanting it, and we're those users. The initial confusion came on launch day, and that was because nobody was familiar with whether the devices differed. Guides simply need to be updated to reflect compatibility. Now, instead, we've got 2 forums, and in an attempt to alleviate the confusion, they have only caused further confusion, because now it REALLY looks like the devices are different when they are in fact NOT.
When a dev gets into modding, one of the obvious questions is "How many different devices do I have to work with here?". Based off our forum layout, it looks like we've got 2 different devices. This could lead developers to believe that there's more work to be done than necessary to achieve compatibility with both.
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I am on the fence with this one.
While I agree that if a rom developed for EU works - for the majority - and only does not function on a scale that reaches very select users, then the dual dev section is not needed.
However, in that same logic, if a rom developed that is incompatible with the counterpart phones due to whatever reason, and something happens while it was not labeled as EU/US or TMOUS or whatever tag a dev would use, then that would start a stir in the forum, IMO, deterring users from moving to this phone and potentially hurting development.
While i agree that it should be SOP to label the rom as EU or US, at the very least posting inside the thread if its for EU or US in the download links. Having a split forum this early in the development phase could hurt the growth of the phone's custom roms.
This being my second android phone, I myself am considering taking a shot at developing a custom TMOUS minimalist rom. (running as little as possible and having the bare necessities required to run the phone) Thinking of a battery saver galore build, completely Sense Free.
I came from the Nexus S, and the dev forum was split into 2 forums - 1 for the GSM Nexus S, and 1 for the CDMA Sprint Nexus S 4G.
I was a i9020T GSM model. In the very same forum, mods and devs posted ROMs for i9020T, i9020A (att), and i9023 (SLCD model , mostly overseas). Not once was there ever a problem. I just think it's kind of silly that we're being told "it's what users want", and yet we clearly don't want it, atleast the majority don't. I was told it was to help with new users, but here's the thing....this isnt newbforums.com or something. This is XDA DEVELOPERS. Enthusiasts and the tech crowd come here. I'm not saying new users don't, because we see them every day, but they've got their own issue with getting up-to-speed, and I fail to see how fragmenting the community into 2 dev forums helps alleviate the issue. Newbs will be newbs. They just have to read stuff....
Is it possible that I can agree with everyone? Probably a result of my incessant blind optimism.
Clearly, there is a divide here. Some people want the separate forum, others don't. Both arguments seem to stem from the same desire... to maximize development for their specific phones. I emphasize like crazy with you.
People that don't want the split fear that this will slow development by dividing troops and possibly give the appearance of a lesser interest from the dev community. However, having two sides essentially working on the "same" device may even prove beneficial in the end.
People that do want it are likely "we" Americans who always fear upon a devices release that there will be some minor radio variance that will cause our new, $600 baby to turn paperweight. Having a T-Mo(US) thread gives someone like me, with a lesser experience in the dev world, more confidence to take the leap into modding a device. I'm more likely to set up a dev environment, root my phone, and become more active in the community. The more people willing to get their feet wet should help everyone, regardless of continent, in the end.
Lastly, the apparent lack of interest may instead be a lack of knowledge. What other snapdragon S4 Krait phones have been released? AFAIK, there hasn't been a single device dropped with this chip, so development will be decidedly difficult until HTC makes available their GPL code. They probably aren't terribly eager to give other phone manufacturers the fruits of their labor, and money, by aiding them prep the S4 phones/tablets that will inevitably follow.
I am incredibly eager to sink my teeth into the underbelly of the one S. I can accept that for the time being, customization may likely be limited to sense-based mods, as I for one am certainly unwilling to part with what is one of the most impressive cameras ever released on a phone. But I do incredibly miss my notification pull down power switches.
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Is it possible that I can agree with everyone? Probably a result of my incessant blind optimism.
Clearly, there is a divide here. Some people want the separate forum, others don't. Both arguments seem to stem from the same desire... to maximize development for their specific phones. I emphasize like crazy with you.
People that don't want the split fear that this will slow development by dividing troops and possibly give the appearance of a lesser interest from the dev community. However, having two sides essentially working on the "same" device may even prove beneficial in the end.
People that do want it are likely "we" Americans who always fear upon a devices release that there will be some minor radio variance that will cause our new, $600 baby to turn paperweight. Having a T-Mo(US) thread gives someone like me, with a lesser experience in the dev world, more confidence to take the leap into modding a device. I'm more likely to set up a dev environment, root my phone, and become more active in the community. The more people willing to get their feet wet should help everyone, regardless of continent, in the end.
Lastly, the apparent lack of interest may instead be a lack of knowledge. What other snapdragon S4 Krait phones have been released? AFAIK, there hasn't been a single device dropped with this chip, so development will be decidedly difficult until HTC makes available their GPL code. They probably aren't terribly eager to give other phone manufacturers the fruits of their labor, and money, by aiding them prep the S4 phones/tablets that will inevitably follow.
I am incredibly eager to sink my teeth into the underbelly of the one S. I can accept that for the time being, customization may likely be limited to sense-based mods, as I for one am certainly unwilling to part with what is one of the most impressive cameras ever released on a phone. But I do incredibly miss my notification pull down power switches.
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I respect your opinion. Please email HTCdev and express your displeasure at their daily willful GPL violations. That code lawfully belongs in the hands of the open source community.
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See, what we're trying to get at is that there isn't any "flash this version or that version", because there's only 1 version: the HTC One S. Unless you're flashing radios, and custom ROMs should typically NEVER have custom radios unless clearly indicated, then it doesn't matter.
And the Galaxy S was divided into subforums because the actual hardware cofigurations, button layouts, chips, etc, varied quite a bit from model to model, whether it was the international SGS, the T-Mo Vibrant, The Verizon Continuum (vastly different), or the ATT version.
The One S is a single phone, with 2 slightly different radio versions. Other than that radio, they are absolutely identical.
What made you choose this phone over the better 901F?
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1 - What is the 901F never heard of it? (blame XDA for not adding section and media for not reporting it)
2 - I only buy the marketed phones.
3 - I am a developer and want to make money from donations so only buy the marketed phones.
4 - I just get what my carrier offers me.
5 - I prefer the S6 spec.
6 - 901F not possible to get where I live, otherwise would get it.
7 - other
I'm just curious... by what metric precisely is it that you're claiming the 901F is "better?"
what's the point of this thread?
I don't find the 901F 'better'.
The point is OP trying to convince himself his phone is better than the s6. Most likely he bought it not too long ago and is frustrated he can't get the s6, hence trying to convince people here that his phone is super awesome and that it deserves a subforum because it's too great to belong to the s5 sub.
PS : XDA people usually don't buy based only on marketing. But nice try.
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The point is OP trying to convince himself his phone is better than the s6. Most likely he bought it not too long ago and is frustrated he can't get the s6, hence trying to convince people here that his phone is super awesome and that it deserves a subforum because it's too great to belong to the s5 sub.
PS : XDA people usually don't buy based only on marketing. But nice try.
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Not so much frustrated about the S6 but rather lack of recognition by XDA.
But after the announcement of the S6 I am laughing, now I am glad I got this whilst it was the flagship of EE, as in my view the S6 is definitely an inferior phone.
The reason it needs a sub forum is that none of the S5 roms/kernels work on it, thats a clear indicator it shouldnt be lumped in the same section.
By the way you took the time to reply without answering the question? Its as if you think the answer is obvious or something.
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Not so much frustrated about the S6 but rather lack of recognition by XDA.
But after the announcement of the S6 I am laughing, now I am glad I got this whilst it was the flagship of EE, as in my view the S6 is definitely an inferior phone.
The reason it needs a sub forum is that none of the S5 roms/kernels work on it, thats a clear indicator it shouldnt be lumped in the same section.
By the way you took the time to reply without answering the question? Its as if you think the answer is obvious or something.
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If I may ask, why did you make this post? If you want a subforum for your S5, you should post in the S5 forums or contact a moderator. I really don't think this subjective "poll" to verify your phone's superiority was necessary...
If you want to talk about s5, please, go to the s5 forum
If that phone is so great then just keep it bud.
That's the thing
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If I may ask, why did you make this post? If you want a subforum for your S5, you should post in the S5 forums or contact a moderator. I really don't think this subjective "poll" to verify your phone's superiority was necessary...
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I made the post as I am curious what the mindset is of xda user's what makes them decide what phone to buy. As some phones get real popular, and others people barely buy.
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Not so much frustrated about the S6 but rather lack of recognition by XDA.
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Not sure if you've noticed this but XDA is a site for developers. We add devices based on developer interest, likely development (in upcoming flagships) or actual development (in lesser known devices).
That should answer your question.
Thread closed as the only point of this thread seemed to be to have a good moan (though that's what we British are known for so I guess I shouldn't be surprised)