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Ok so I'm really really trying to get into the whole Android thing but it seems like all the flagship phones coming out lately have these crazy ugly skins over top of them which remind me of the old Windows 95 and Windows 98 days where people tried their best to make desktop shells (litestep, nextstepx86, talisman) but just ended up making Windows look even more fugly, cluttered, bloated, and slow.
I'm looking for the fastest Android phone available both in clockspeed, GPU, and real world performance, the highest resolution possible, and with NO custom carrier crap on it. Which do you guys recommend? So far I've had a sprint Hero, European Hero, N1, and a Droid Incredible. I'm looking for a phone that operates as fast or at least close to my iPhone 4. Thoughts?
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As far as carrier builds running atop, that is the case with most major US releases. Honestly the only Android that matches your filters is the N1. Dual core phones and 1.5Ghz handsets are in the works, but they will undoubtedly be bogged down with some sort of carrier bloatware and home settings. Have you checked out any of the Galaxy S series? They are the fastest phones out, with the best resolution possible on a phone. They are a little bit bigger than the iPhone, but still a comfy ergonomic fit. They do, however run Samsung's Touchwiz 3.0 UI, though its very (VERY) smooth. As root methods get easier and more intuitive, removing the bloatware shouldn't be an issue.
Hi mates, I've been reading up on comments, reviews and opinions on the Evo 3d and Sensation for the past few weeks and am already getting headaches from it. Now I'm at the brink of buying one of these (preferably this week as my iphone makes me sick more and more).
Your opinion is very important to me as I'm about to extend my contract for 2 years!
I don't need the 3d, but I'm having the feeling that the Evo3d is the overall better device. However, the bulky design and the inferior camera make it hard not to go for the Sensation (especially since I don't give a damn about 3d).
What I need to know from you guys are the follwoing things:
1. The Sensation's been known to have a slight lag in Sense and overall slower performance compared to the evo 3d. It was said many times this could be due to software issues. Has the performance since been improved in a way that it's on par with the Evo? Are the European units any better/different than the American ones?
2. I live in Europe. Are chances high I will get a faulty unit with a bad touchscreen? It seems to be a hardware issue so I guess there will be no software fix and sending the unit in 5 times with weeks of waiting in between is a dealbreaker for me.
3. I have read many reviews saying the Sensations battery life is superior to that of the Evo 3d and I have read just as many reviews that claim the opposite.
I do the occasional surfing while in train/bus, maybe 1-2h of music listening, checking emails several times a day and use google maps+GPS from time to time. No 3d use, movie watching or hours of gaming intended. Which one will serve me better?
The Sensation is slicker and doesn't have the ugly and unhandy camera-bumps like the Evo, but I'm very allergic to lag so if the Sensation is just underpowered compared to the Evo, i'll go with the snappier of the two.
Thank you!
As far as I know, the EVO 3D is pretty much identical hardware to the Sensation. And it also runs Sense 3.0. Check here for a comparision: http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3901&idPhone2=3875
With a custom Sense ROM, it is much more smooth.
Really don't see why the EVO 3D performance would be THAT much better then the Sensation...
The touchscreen isn't a problem. The only issues seem to be on the lockscreen, so it's software.
I don't see the reason either (apart from 1gb ram over 768mb) but apparently the Evo runs soomther plus i hear the sensation starts to show lag over time...
anyways, evry review says evo is snappier... i just wonder whether thi sis soething that can be fixed by updates or if it is due to bad hardware
My experience is limited to the Sensation only, but:
1. Yes. Annoyingly so. Stock performance on the Telstra model isn't very good. I've used three units and all have been identical. Once you S-OFF, install a custom ROM and a custom kernel, the problem is lessened somewhat. Sense 3.0 seems to underpin all the problems with this device.
2. Completely random. Out of the dozen or so people I know who own Telstra units, I am the only one with a 'good' Sharp panel. There's not a lot of difference in the picture quality of both screens, but there is a definite difference in the ghosting while scrolling. Mine's better, but it's still there. Looks to me like a refresh rate issue, but I'm not sure. Apparently the digitiser can 'de-sensitise' over time, I've had mine a fortnight and no issues as of yet.
3. I find the Sensation's battery life admirable. After a moderate day's use I get home with 80-60% remaining. I don't OC, I use WiFi all day at home and HSPA when I'm out, make a few calls, send maybe 80 texts, download a few apps and listen to music for an hour or so. Even after a solid hour of continuous Market browsing, I'd reportedly lost <10%.
Good luck in your choice!
Those side-effects are all results of Sense. Just install CyanogenMod or any other AOSP ROM (when they're released) for a much, much better experience.
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Those side-effects are all results of Sense. Just install CyanogenMod or any other AOSP ROM (when they're released) for a much, much better experience.
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Absolutely.
I've never been a fan of CyanogenMod, but I will say that I am very much looking forward to it becoming available for the Sensation. The Alpha AOSP ROM looks promising also!
Thank you very much juzz86 and the others. Your post was very helpful. The thing is, I WANT Sense 3.0. If it was for the hardware alone, I'd go with the SGSII, although it's butt-ugly and feels like a child's toy in your hand. The Sensation's hardware is not so sensational when you compare it to other flagship phones. It's Sense that is making me want a HTC phone, but if the darn device can't handle it, despite dual core fanfare, I don't want it.
I'm so disappointed in this device It should have been everything the SGSII is, but with better design and Sense on top.
Anyways, the Evo seems to deal just fine with Sense 3.0 (at least that's what I read). I think I will give it a shot then, but not before I actually had the device in my hands. I'm a Pperson that is rather careless with it's phone. My iphone survived just fine because of a rubber case that saved it many times. But The Evo has ONE big glass plate in front of the two cam lenses... one unfortunate drop and goodbye picture taking.
I will have to think about that and see how the device actually feels...
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Thank you very much juzz86 and the others. Your post was very helpful. The thing is, I WANT Sense 3.0. If it was for the hardware alone, I'd go with the SGSII, although it's butt-ugly and feels like a child's toy in your hand. The Sensation's hardware is not so sensational when you compare it to other flagship phones. It's Sense that is making me want a HTC phone, but if the darn device can't handle it, despite dual core fanfare, I don't want it.
I'm so disappointed in this device It should have been everything the SGSII is, but with better design and Sense on top.
Anyways, the Evo seems to deal just fine with Sense 3.0 (at least that's what I read). I think I will give it a shot then, but not before I actually had the device in my hands. I'm a Pperson that is rather careless with it's phone. My iphone survived just fine because of a rubber case that saved it many times. But The Evo has ONE big glass plate in front of the two cam lenses... one unfortunate drop and goodbye picture taking.
I will have to think about that and see how the device actually feels...
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Sounds like a plan. Don't drop the coin on it unless you're happy (only stupid people do that... ).
A recommendation: If you love Sense, and daily performance is more important to you than what looks good on paper, the Incredible S is an extremely good choice. It's 'just' a single-core, and it runs an older Sense, but it absolutely runs rings around the Sensation. The only real difference between the Sense version is the lockscreen, which is the only 'plus' I've come across in Sense 3.0
Thx for the advice, but I think it's rather stupid to buy a single core mobile in the age of dualcore processors and quadcore soon to be unleashed onto the world. I don't care if my Lambo is slower compared to a F1 Ferrari, but that don't mean I 'd go with a Fiat too
One more question regarding the lag/slowness of the phone: Is it sluggish out of the box or does it's performance degrade over time? How bad is it?
I often hear people complain about ceratin bugs, but only few seem to feel bothered by the performance...
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Thx for the advice, but I think it's rather stupid to buy a single core mobile in the age of dualcore processors and quadcore soon to be unleashed onto the world. I don't care if my Lambo is slower compared to a F1 Ferrari, but that don't mean I 'd go with a Fiat too
One more question regarding the lag/slowness of the phone: Is it sluggish out of the box or does it's performance degrade over time? How bad is it?
I often hear people complain about ceratin bugs, but only few seem to feel bothered by the performance...
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For me it was slow out of the box. But I just flashed InsertCoin and it's very smooth compared to stock. CM7 will be even smoother
Swyped from my HTC Sensation
I don't know whether I should be happy or afraid because of that :O
Will CM7 still have Sense 3.0 or is it something completly different? I'm new to andorid, sry have no clue about it... Just saw that InsertCoin still has it.
I just read that the European Version of the Evo 3d isn't h4ackable as of now Different bootloader version or sumthin...
Yeah great, now I'm reconsidering the Sensation with a custom ROM. Geez this is getting old now...
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I don't know whether I should be happy or afraid because of that :O
Will CM7 still have Sense 3.0 or is it something completly different? I'm new to andorid, sry have no clue about it... Just saw that InsertCoin still has it.
I just read that the European Version of the Evo 3d isn't h4ackable as of now Different bootloader version or sumthin...
Yeah great, now I'm reconsidering the Sensation with a custom ROM. Geez this is getting old now...
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CM7 will not have Sense at all. Most of the current crop of ROMs available still have Sense - even those that offer a 'sense-less' option still have the underlying frameworks included.
For me it was untolerable out of the box. I'm very susceptible to lag though.
I stick by my recommendation of a good single-core over a dual-core at this point. If it's fluid and quick in everyday operation, do you really need anything else? It's all just hype at this point, and the real-life benefits of dual cores aren't here yet.
I've ditched my Sensation for a Sharp SH-12C and it stomps all over it with just a single core and it does (pretty cool) 3D to boot. Pretty hard to come by, but so far a very polished package, and I'm getting much more enjoyment from it than from the Sensation.
I'm a big fan of stock android. I love cm can't wait for it to become available. That would definitely speed up things. Not sure I care about sense.
On another note I completely abuse my phone as far a use goes. WiFi on all day now Bluetooth too. I get 5.5hrs on a full charge. But again I completely abuse my phone. I listen to music all damn day I have a car charger so I'm happy and love my phone.
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I was sick of waiting and got the sensation yesterday. Haven't had too much time to spend with it but so far things are looking good, and it's fast, I see no lag. Only thing that's bothering me is te free memory, which is somewhere around 100mb usually. that's kinda lame. Why on earth did HTC not include simply 1gig?
No I wonder which rom to install. I figure crystal pyramid isn't too bad?
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I was sick of waiting and got the sensation yesterday. Haven't had too much time to spend with it but so far things are looking good, and it's fast, I see no lag. Only thing that's bothering me is te free memory, which is somewhere around 100mb usually. that's kinda lame. Why on earth did HTC not include simply 1gig?
No I wonder which rom to install. I figure crystal pyramid isn't too bad?
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Task Manager is showing the wrong amount of RAM, go to Settings-Applications-Running Services and check there. I agree it should have been 1 GB though
For a ROM I recommend InsertCoin 2.3.4 because it's very fast However, maybe you will like another one better, so try them out and use the one you like best.
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I was sick of waiting and got the sensation yesterday. Haven't had too much time to spend with it but so far things are looking good, and it's fast, I see no lag. Only thing that's bothering me is te free memory, which is somewhere around 100mb usually. that's kinda lame. Why on earth did HTC not include simply 1gig?
No I wonder which rom to install. I figure crystal pyramid isn't too bad?
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Glad to hear you got a good one mate, nice job. I was also a bit skeptical of the reported RAM under the task switcher, seemed very low. As stated above, it appears to be a bit off. Uninstalling Sense actually freed up about 80MB for me, so hopefully something like AOSP will free up even more and make it really sing.
Crystal Pyramid is very nice. You won't be disappointed with any of the custom Sense ROMs at all, they're all nice and slick.
Enjoy!
I also have problems with the fact that the phone is so slow,and i was expecting much much more from it,i couldn't wait to finally get my hand on a Sensation .I have the stock rom with no modifications,but my Desire HD was also stock and it worked perfect,with no lag.I was playing Angry Birds Rio yesterday and the phone had lots of lags(like a video with low frame rate),and there wasn't any running program in the background .The Desire HD never had this problem,even if there were programs running in the background,the phone worked flawlessly.I am starting to regret that i sold the desire hd and bought the Sensation.
I dropped Nokia after being soured by their N97 fiasco. Used Android exclusively since then, but for the most part, hardware was crap - sure processors were blazing fast but cameras sucked, such simple features as FM transmitter weren't available and the most important thing - battery life was horrible (sorry, coming from the other brand, getting 16 hours of battery life is horrible). So I decided to give Nokia N8 a chance... sure, the latest iteration of Symbian does feel outdated, but not too bad, I don't have 2342343 fart apps and finding apps is a pain. Now the good stuff - I get 2.5 days where with Android I'd get less than 24 hours, camera is superb, build quality is awesome (all aluminum), reception is WAY better than on any HTC/Samsung mobile that I had, actually useful features, phone is very snappy.
So the question begs... Why, why can't Android (which is the superior OS at this time) can't get such a battery life? Why do manufacturers insist on putting so-so cameras in their handsets? Why use all plastic in the construction? Why.. why..
Sad to say, but I'm way more satisfied with a device running a somewhat outdated OS.
And where exactly are you purchasing these Android brand cell phones?
What brand? The HTCs and Samsungs? Well, one came from Ebay, few came from the carriers. See, I didn't specify any specific models because every single ones that I used lacked in few important things, such as battery life. Either way, let's hope Android survives its retarded fragmentation and becomes just as stable (but not as stale) as Symbian has.
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I dropped Nokia after being soured by their N97 fiasco. Used Android exclusively since then, but for the most part, hardware was crap - sure processors were blazing fast but cameras sucked, such simple features as FM transmitter weren't available and the most important thing - battery life was horrible (sorry, coming from the other brand, getting 16 hours of battery life is horrible). So I decided to give Nokia N8 a chance... sure, the latest iteration of Symbian does feel outdated, but not too bad, I don't have 2342343 fart apps and finding apps is a pain. Now the good stuff - I get 2.5 days where with Android I'd get less than 24 hours, camera is superb, build quality is awesome (all aluminum), reception is WAY better than on any HTC/Samsung mobile that I had, actually useful features, phone is very snappy.
So the question begs... Why, why can't Android (which is the superior OS at this time) can't get such a battery life? Why do manufacturers insist on putting so-so cameras in their handsets? Why use all plastic in the construction? Why.. why..
Sad to say, but I'm way more satisfied with a device running a somewhat outdated OS.
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You should consider WP7. Nokia is doing some hardware with WP7 in mind. They currently have the Lumia 800 (N9) and the Lumia 710. There isn't anything better than WP7 in my experience. It's even better than iOS. The battery life isn't too good right now, but Nokia's hardware may have that resolved.
Give WP7 a nod and check it out.
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I dropped Nokia after being soured by their N97 fiasco. Used Android exclusively since then, but for the most part, hardware was crap - sure processors were blazing fast but cameras sucked, such simple features as FM transmitter weren't available and the most important thing - battery life was horrible (sorry, coming from the other brand, getting 16 hours of battery life is horrible). So I decided to give Nokia N8 a chance... sure, the latest iteration of Symbian does feel outdated, but not too bad, I don't have 2342343 fart apps and finding apps is a pain. Now the good stuff - I get 2.5 days where with Android I'd get less than 24 hours, camera is superb, build quality is awesome (all aluminum), reception is WAY better than on any HTC/Samsung mobile that I had, actually useful features, phone is very snappy.
So the question begs... Why, why can't Android (which is the superior OS at this time) can't get such a battery life? Why do manufacturers insist on putting so-so cameras in their handsets? Why use all plastic in the construction? Why.. why..
Sad to say, but I'm way more satisfied with a device running a somewhat outdated OS.
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My camera is great. And as much as I use my phone...a day is pretty good for battery life..my. phone is a beast..
sent...ah whatever its on there now..
Well no OS is perfect, but all are satisfactory. Battery life is more or less due to Android inefficiency at handling resources. Camera, well that depends on the maunfacturers. To be honest, we all don't need or atleast I don't even need a N8 camera on my phone. I'm not the best photographer or do I expect to be, hence why my average 8MP is good enough for me. Nor do I always want to zoom into a photo to see the little details I captured. I like it exactly 8"x11".
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Well no OS is perfect, but all are satisfactory. Battery life is more or less due to Android inefficiency at handling resources. Camera, well that depends on the maunfacturers. To be honest, we all don't need or atleast I don't even need a N8 camera on my phone. I'm not the best photographer or do I expect to be, hence why my average 8MP is good enough for me. Nor do I always want to zoom into a photo to see the little details I captured. I like it exactly 8"x11".
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It's perfectly understandable. This was more of personal rant for me - I'm kinda pissed that what I think is a superior OS doesn't do it for me, nothing more.
P.S. I disagree that all are satisfactory... Symbian S60v5 was something truly out of a horror movie.
Well I can't really say for symbian since I have never extensively used it. But judging from what I read about symbian, I will retract my statement of all are satisfactory.
I have to say, although Im an avid Android user, I feel its unfinished and lacks the polish both WP7 and iOS have. Whether ICS attempts to rectify this I'm not sure yet. The only thing thats stopping jump onto WP7 is lack of lastest gen hardware.
Give my a 720p with a dual-core proccessor and I'll be first in line!
I think the deal with battery life isn't always the battery or OS, but WHAT the phone can do and how often you use it. My old N95 8gb which I LOVED and hung onto for many years (and claimed a high price when recycled), that thing had many functions and that battery could last for hours or days, things like GPS/Maps (with the 3G loading more map squares as you move). The only time my Nexus S hasn't lasted a day unexpectedly was when I found the Facebook chat talking away in the background !! (quickly removed after that incident) I like the battery monitor graph so I can identify if there's a specific battery hog, but otherwise I always think if your phone is awesome and has many apps then the battery won't last long because you'll want to use it all the time. I imagine blackberry's last for a long time because they don't do anything fun afaik. :3
Also I find my OS very good ("pure Android"), and it gets frequent updates.
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I have to say, although Im an avid Android user, I feel its unfinished and lacks the polish both WP7 and iOS have. Whether ICS attempts to rectify this I'm not sure yet. The only thing thats stopping jump onto WP7 is lack of lastest gen hardware.
Give my a 720p with a dual-core proccessor and I'll be first in line!
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Mine looks and feels very polished.
Android is Linux. Ubuntu doesn't look good out of the box, you gotta tinker with it to get it just right.
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And where exactly are you purchasing these Android brand cell phones?
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everywhere..
and I think we must consider iPhone now..
I agree, Nokia is just superb in overall quality. Samsung focuses on great screens, HTC caters to gimmicks and openness and is pretty much favored largely by members here because they push the openness... Horrid build quality though. Nokia is just superb in quality. I'm so glad that they now utilize an OS that can keep up.
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I dropped Nokia after being soured by their N97 fiasco. Used Android exclusively since then, but for the most part, hardware was crap - sure processors were blazing fast but cameras sucked, such simple features as FM transmitter weren't available and the most important thing - battery life was horrible (sorry, coming from the other brand, getting 16 hours of battery life is horrible). So I decided to give Nokia N8 a chance... sure, the latest iteration of Symbian does feel outdated, but not too bad, I don't have 2342343 fart apps and finding apps is a pain. Now the good stuff - I get 2.5 days where with Android I'd get less than 24 hours, camera is superb, build quality is awesome (all aluminum), reception is WAY better than on any HTC/Samsung mobile that I had, actually useful features, phone is very snappy.
So the question begs... Why, why can't Android (which is the superior OS at this time) can't get such a battery life? Why do manufacturers insist on putting so-so cameras in their handsets? Why use all plastic in the construction? Why.. why..
Sad to say, but I'm way more satisfied with a device running a somewhat outdated OS.
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hmmm.. the camera on my evo 3D works amazingly. it is exceptional in my opinion. just because the the default "auto settings" aren't amazing, doesn't make it terrible. adjust the exposure, sharpness (all available in settings) bam, amazing pictures.
i'm not quite sure why the battery life is so bad on most android phones? the only thing i can think of (theory obviously, but logical) is that a lot of the top end android phones like mine for example have big processors and bigger screens... that display CHEWS through my battery life like you would not believe. it is rarely less than 50 percent of the battery consumption.
needless to say, another thing i enjoy about android is the fact that there are always expandable battery options. the one in my phone is currently the 4,000 mah from seido... i charge my phone once a week.
i have said it once, and again, i will never own a smartphone that cannot be rooted/jailbroken... there is too much spying going on from carriers and phone companies. they know what apps you use, how often you use them, and when you uninstall them. if you think i am making this up, you are a fool. they do this to market to you every time you log into the app store/market so they know what to throw at you - things you like...
i personally like to have all of that stuff NOT on my phone. for me, android provides freedom to choose what i put on my phone and who gets to see it... not the other way around. plus all of the customization that comes with android platforms. i would take a dream machine phone to move me in a different direction.
either way, here is a screen shot of my last battery cycle, this a modest example as there was very heavy use this past weekend. usually i charge it on a monday and it lasts till saturday/sunday...
oh and cool story bro
EDIT*** oh and z33, i totally agree with you about build quality. the build quality on the evo 3D seems rugged and archaic. i wish it was a little more "sexy" looking. i just love the utter performance of the thing. it is astounding the things this phone is capable of.
i think of it like.... apple products and a select few of other phones are like ferraris to me... and my phone is like a 67 camaro with a chevy big block and blower.... doesn't look to nice, but eats up anything in performance.
the lumia 800 is said to get over 27 hours heavy usage on 1450 mh, and that's immensely heavy use. I'll be testing this once I have it in my possession but it's another testament to Nokia optimization.
that would be expected out of a single core phone with a 3.7 inch low resolution display. not surprising.
and i shouldn't say low resolution, i guess the appropriate observation would be "lower" resolution than many others out there. most are pushing HD pixels.... 800x480 or whatever it is, is pretty bare minimum by today's standards. but on a smaller screen i suppose it will still look pretty slick and sharp.
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the lumia 800 is said to get over 27 hours heavy usage on 1450 mh, and that's immensely heavy use. I'll be testing this once I have it in my possession but it's another testament to Nokia optimization.
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No matter what the build quality...it is just straight ugly. There is nothing sexy whatsoever about that phone. And the colors? It looks like it is made for a teenage girl. Also, you already admitted to the fact that they use second rate hardware...
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I have to say, although Im an avid Android user, I feel its unfinished and lacks the polish both WP7 and iOS have. Whether ICS attempts to rectify this I'm not sure yet. The only thing thats stopping jump onto WP7 is lack of lastest gen hardware.
Give my a 720p with a dual-core proccessor and I'll be first in line!
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The apps are atrocious, I have been using an HD7 for about a week and I am quite reaady to switch back. Moving to a Nexus One by the end of the week.
i tried the n9 yesterday, and i must say that the UI i far ahead of both android and ios. however, it has almost no apps compared to android/ios, and it is probably going to stay that way since nokia has dropped meamo.
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No matter what the build quality...it is just straight ugly. There is nothing sexy whatsoever about that phone. And the colors? It looks like it is made for a teenage girl. Also, you already admitted to the fact that they use second rate hardware...
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I admitted that they often use outdated processors. Please stop attempting to troll, you're not particularly good at it.
I believe that we have a truly amazing device in our hands. If you love your oneS then the least you could do is to write a good review about somewhere like on amazon or something especially since now we have some saboteurs trying to ruin our devices name and drop its rating to zero. But in actuality if our device gets horrible reviews no new developers will come here to work with our phones. I don't believe that is fair and so I am starting my own campaign called goodreview-Aday where I will give positive feedback on our device and rate it high on several major websites that sell our phone such as amazon eBay etc. Everybody can join me to keep development alive for our phone! If everybody not experiencing the alleged issue wrote one good review on one site their evil little "campaign" will have no chance!
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I believe that we have a truly amazing device in our hands. If you love your oneS then the least you could do is to write a good review about somewhere like on amazon or something especially since now we have some saboteurs trying to ruin our devices name and drop its rating to zero. But in actuality if our device gets horrible reviews no new developers will come here to work with our phones. I don't believe that is fair and so I am starting my own campaign called goodreview-Aday where I will give positive feedback on our device and rate it high on several major websites that sell our phone such as amazon eBay etc. Everybody can join me to keep development alive for our phone! If everybody not experiencing the alleged issue wrote one good review on one site their evil little "campaign" will have no chance!
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What's so amazing about this phone?
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What's so amazing about this phone?
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Only the best CPU chipset, better than the quad in the GS 3 and X (s4)
Amazing build/perceived quality compared to any other android mobile
Great design/looks
Amazing audio, which is only matched by the GS 3 and perhaps the iphone 5
One of the best cameras
Great battery life out of the box, again best there is for android phones
Fastest android mobile currently
IMO sense V4
Regarding the first post, developers won't go by "user reviews" on shop sites, they will look into all the hardware detail and kernel source/drivers/software stuff etc. and if they like what they see then they will buy it.
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Only the best CPU chipset, better than the quad in the GS 3 and X (s4)
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Not any more, HTC have reworked the One S to use the Snapdragon S3, and for most regions outside the US at least all newly manufactured units will be the revised spec.
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Amazing build/perceived quality compared to any other android mobile
Great design/looks
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Agreed, and now that they seem to have done something about the metal arc oxidation issues its build quality is great.
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Amazing audio, which is only matched by the GS 3 and perhaps the iphone 5
One of the best cameras
Great battery life out of the box, again best there is for android phones
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Yes, yes and yes, the Beats gimmick aside the regular audio output is of very good quality as GSMArena's measurements show. Camera is a delight to use, although the S3 version has a small buffer lag between shots. Battery life, surprisingly, seems to be very similar between the S3 and S4 models.
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Fastest android mobile currently
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The S4 version yes, the S3 version no.
IMO sense V4
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Yes, Sense 4 is really good, better than TouchWiz although I suspect most people on XDA prefer stock Android if it means faster updates
Personally, I think the One S was a really good phone when it launched, but the change to the S3 processor has changed my view of the model significantly; it is still a good phone for what it is but the price is too high for a phone using a 2010 chip.
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What's so amazing about this phone?
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Please don't be a ****. From your signature it looks like you don't even have this device. You are probably one of the trolls who wrote bad reviews.
I agree this device is amazing-but Htc needs to step up their game and provide S-Off and in general be more developer friendly -Htc Dev has done more harm then good it seems to me and recovery is a mess some use twrp others prefer cmw - If Htc would show better support It would be one the best phones to date Just my 2c
kenyw said:
Not any more, HTC have reworked the One S to use the Snapdragon S3, and for most regions outside the US at least all newly manufactured units will be the revised spec.
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And the UK still has quite a lot of S4's. Although S3's are being sold here as well, but not sure which places are selling only those versions. I think amazon are only supplying the S3 versions now. AFAIK the network shops still have supplies of the S4 version.
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but the price is too high for a phone using a 2010 chip.
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Completely agree about that with regards to the S3 version.
Regarding the battery and speed, I thought it was the other way round (in real world usage), battery much worse and performance isn't as good but for standard usage like games etc. there isn't a huge difference.
Doesn't help when no one has posted any info. on the battery of the S3 though i.e. screen shots and detailed info..........
jmcdonald58 said:
I agree this device is amazing-but Htc needs to step up their game and provide S-Off and in general be more developer friendly -Htc Dev has done more harm then good it seems to me and recovery is a mess some use twrp others prefer cmw - If Htc would show better support It would be one the best phones to date Just my 2c
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^Absolutely agree with this. Recovery really is a mess.
The rest of the device is overall good, but there are some cons to go with the pros.
+ Nice display, accurate colors. PenTile didn't bother me a bit. Great viewing angles and black is truly black, unlike on the Samsung devices where black appears blotchy. 4.3 for me seems the sweet spot for screen size and overall phone size.
+ Slimness of device is nearly unparalleled.
+ Speed (based on S4) is best-in-class
+ Battery life (on Sense ROMs) is excellent
+ Camera and Video capabilities are excellent
- Overall call quality on the latest two radios is awful. Crackling and full of static. This is subjective, and I'm in Los Angeles, which isn't known for amazing AT&T voice quality. This leads me to
- Inconsistent data speeds. Again subjective, but my Lumia 800 seems to pull down faster and more consistent speeds on the ATT HSPA network.
- SIM Cover starts to creak if you remove it more than the first time you install your SIM.
- Placement of the power button at top right for this tall a device is not ergonomic. AOSP/CM10-based ROMs enable wake via volume rocker, which is useful, but inconsistent.
- Saving the biggest for last, is the keyboard accuracy. The stock Sense keyboard is terrible, but the replacements in the market aren't much better. I consistently make ridiculous typing mistakes on Android's keyboards even after calibrating them. How many times do I have to type out 'The quick brown fox jumps over a lazy dog' in order to have it make a difference? This is, again, subjective, but with my large hands on a large device with plenty of screen real-estate, the keyboard should just work. And unfortunately on this device, it doesn't.
matt310 said:
^Absolutely agree with this. Recovery really is a mess.
The rest of the device is overall good, but there are some cons to go with the pros.
+ Nice display, accurate colors. PenTile didn't bother me a bit. Great viewing angles and black is truly black, unlike on the Samsung devices where black appears blotchy. 4.3 for me seems the sweet spot for screen size and overall phone size.
+ Slimness of device is nearly unparalleled.
+ Speed (based on S4) is best-in-class
+ Battery life (on Sense ROMs) is excellent
+ Camera and Video capabilities are excellent
- Overall call quality on the latest two radios is awful. Crackling and full of static. This is subjective, and I'm in Los Angeles, which isn't known for amazing AT&T voice quality. This leads me to
- Inconsistent data speeds. Again subjective, but my Lumia 800 seems to pull down faster and more consistent speeds on the ATT HSPA network.
- SIM Cover starts to creak if you remove it more than the first time you install your SIM.
- Placement of the power button at top right for this tall a device is not ergonomic. AOSP/CM10-based ROMs enable wake via volume rocker, which is useful, but inconsistent.
- Saving the biggest for last, is the keyboard accuracy. The stock Sense keyboard is terrible, but the replacements in the market aren't much better. I consistently make ridiculous typing mistakes on Android's keyboards even after calibrating them. How many times do I have to type out 'The quick brown fox jumps over a lazy dog' in order to have it make a difference? This is, again, subjective, but with my large hands on a large device with plenty of screen real-estate, the keyboard should just work. And unfortunately on this device, it doesn't.
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Recoveries come from our local friendly developers if your recovery is a mess contact them it is no way htcs fault. I love this phone despite no s-off. And that's okay for me lol we will steal it from the Onex one day lol.
For the new radios and your crackling problem, most unlocked android devices have this issue when you unlock them I have a sidekick 4g on att right now and this on tmob and there is a compareable difference
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I absolutely love this device. I had the choice between the one s and the s3 and chose this one and am really pleased. It fits my hands perfectly and outperforms most devices. The battery life is unparalleled. I average 4 to 6 hours on screen time while some friends with s3's only get 2 hours with power saving on. The lack of s off is little annoying but not that big of a deal for me since my hboot is so low. As for the people spreading negative reviews in hopes to "teach HTC a lessons" this is a horrible approach. Operation rolling thunder should be stopped!!
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And the UK still has quite a lot of S4's. Although S3's are being sold here as well, but not sure which places are selling only those versions. I think amazon are only supplying the S3 versions now. AFAIK the network shops still have supplies of the S4 version.
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Just wanted to mention that on Tuesday 11/09/2012 i received my nice new htc one s from talktalk.co.uk ( run on vodafone network) and it is a Z560e model (Ville C aka S3) version, personally i am not to bothered but figured worth mention for anyone who maybe intrested in UK
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Only the best CPU chipset, better than the quad in the GS 3 and X (s4)
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? better ? u idiot.
Just because it's A15Krait u got 2 cores....that GUN Exynos 4412 have it A9 but 4 cores son.
Which is rapes your HTC one S.. I didn't talk about ****ty Adrenno 225....which is garbage.
So don't talk about better or not.
My One S
My S one is about 5 months old. After years as a Nokia fan-boy I finally gave in and reluctantly jumped ship. So I was presented with a problem: Which phone do I get. I won't be taking up a place in a queue for the new iPhone 5 with the iSheep - as a Ubuntu user getting an android was a no-brainer. I chose the One S because 1/ it wasn't Samsung (my personal prejudice) 2/ the One X was slightly too big for my taste.
I know Nokia missed a very big boat by sticking with Symbian for so long, but on a personal level I was happy because I know them inside out I can mod them easily and enjoyed playing about with them despite the limitations. In fact the limitations made it more of a challenge and more interesting.Eventually the lack of progress Symbian was making, combined with the fact that Nokia jumped in to bed with Micros*#t forced my hand. So to be honest, I waited for T-Mobile to deliver my One S with very little enthusiasm. That's changed. I love my One S.
So as it's my first Android I can't say its any better or worse than a Galaxy III, a WildFire or a Nexus. I do know that I am very happy with it. On the hardware side I am happy about the lovely big screen, the slim casing and the nice finish. I am very happy with the processor speed and flawless screen refresh. Battery life could be better, but I will never be happy with battery life. Software wise, I am happy that there are people out there making ROMs which while flawed are keeping me very busy and making me feel like I have a new phone every week or so. I am happy that I have a JB based ROM while HTC has yet to release the "official" JB for the One S.
Which is all a long winded way of saying I love it.
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? better ? u idiot.
Just because it's A15Krait u got 2 cores....that GUN Exynos 4412 have it A9 but 4 cores son.
Which is rapes your HTC one S.. I didn't talk about ****ty Adrenno 225....which is garbage.
So don't talk about better or not.
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Nice grammar, who is the idiot?
Obviously, you have no clue, "OMG has quad, must be better!"
Firstly lets have a look at performance, shall we?
Have a look at these benchmarks of the X (s4 version) compared to the GS 3:
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i9300_galaxy_s_iii-review-761p5.php
Notice how any test, which relies solely on the CPU is better on the S/X (S4)? Take it that isn't enough? Here have another benchmark comparison by another expert site:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5868/htc-one-s-review-international-and-tmobile/3
Once again, notice the CPU dependant tests?
Heck even the one S and XL holds it own very well in the other tests that are reliant on the GPU etc.
So much better performance per core (which is much better rather than having an extra 2 cores considering nearly every android app still doesn't fully utilise dual core let alone quad, therefore the much better performance for one core is better!).
However, that is just benchmarks, which only shows the potential power and doesn't really relate to real world usage. Have you actually used the mobiles yourself and compared tasks to see which is quicker?
I have (along with many others phones) and the S is the quickest/snappiest android device there is, quicker than the GS 3 especially in launching/loading apps, game levels, installing apps/games, loading thumbnails in the gallery etc.
Now onto battery life/power efficiency:
Lets take the XL for this test as it is more fair since it has the 720P res. and bigger screen, although it does have a much smaller battery compared to the GS 3, but have a look here anyway:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5868/htc-one-s-review-international-and-tmobile/2
Although I always take benchmarks for battery life with a pinch of salt as they aren't exactly a great representative when it comes to real world usage.
But reading through many posts, XL users are able to get up 6 hours on screen time (auto brightness) spread across 1-2 days, where as the best that GS 3 users seem to get is around 5 hours spread across 1-2 days, on average the XL users are getting 4-5 hours on screen time with 1-3 days usage and on average the GS 3 users are getting 3-4 hours on screen time spread across 1-2 days.
Can you read the graphs ok?
Also nothing wrong with the battery life on my stock S and same goes for many other people. Like to see GS 3 users get the same as me with my usage......
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=27665378#post27665378
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=27010378#post27010378
Now onto the heat that the chips generate, well there simply is no contest in this area, here is a video comparing the S4 to the exynos dual core chip used in the GS 2 and some other CPU, which is used in one of Motorola's phones:
And the exynos quad won't run any cooler than the S4.
Oh and yup the adreno 225 combined with the S4 is real xxxxx, oh wait..........
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6121/glbenchmark-25-performance/2
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Saving the biggest for last, is the keyboard accuracy. The stock Sense keyboard is terrible, but the replacements in the market aren't much better. I consistently make ridiculous typing mistakes on Android's keyboards even after calibrating them. How many times do I have to type out 'The quick brown fox jumps over a lazy dog' in order to have it make a difference? This is, again, subjective, but with my large hands on a large device with plenty of screen real-estate, the keyboard should just work. And unfortunately on this device, it doesn't.
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I personally find the typing is very good even with the sense keyboard.
With swiftkey it is even better!
Terminator19 said:
Nice grammar, who is the idiot?
Obviously, you have no clue, "OMG has quad, must be better!"
Firstly lets have a look at performance, shall we?
Have a look at these benchmarks of the X (s4 version) compared to the GS 3:
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i9300_galaxy_s_iii-review-761p5.php
Notice how any test, which relies solely on the CPU is better on the S/X (S4)? Take it that isn't enough? Here have another benchmark comparison by another expert site:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5868/htc-one-s-review-international-and-tmobile/3
Once again, notice the CPU dependant tests?
Heck even the one S and XL holds it own very well in the other tests that are reliant on the GPU etc.
So much better performance per core (which is much better rather than having an extra 2 cores considering nearly every android app still doesn't fully utilise dual core let alone quad, therefore the much better performance for one core is better!).
However, that is just benchmarks, which only shows the potential power and doesn't really relate to real world usage. Have you actually used the mobiles yourself and compared tasks to see which is quicker?
I have (along with many others phones) and the S is the quickest/snappiest android device there is, quicker than the GS 3 especially in launching/loading apps, game levels, installing apps/games, loading thumbnails in the gallery etc.
Now onto battery life/power efficiency:
Lets take the XL for this test as it is more fair since it has the 720P res. and bigger screen, although it does have a much smaller battery compared to the GS 3, but have a look here anyway:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5868/htc-one-s-review-international-and-tmobile/2
Although I always take benchmarks for battery life with a pinch of salt as they aren't exactly a great representative when it comes to real world usage.
But reading through many posts, XL users are able to get up 6 hours on screen time (auto brightness) spread across 1-2 days, where as the best that GS 3 users seem to get is around 5 hours spread across 1-2 days, on average the XL users are getting 4-5 hours on screen time with 1-3 days usage and on average the GS 3 users are getting 3-4 hours on screen time spread across 1-2 days.
Can you read the graphs ok?
Also nothing wrong with the battery life on my stock S and same goes for many other people. Like to see GS 3 users get the same as me with my usage......
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=27665378#post27665378
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=27010378#post27010378
Now onto the heat that the chips generate, well there simply is no contest in this area, here is a video comparing the S4 to the exynos dual core chip used in the GS 2 and some other CPU, which is used in one of Motorola's phones:
And the exynos quad won't run any cooler than the S4.
Oh and yup the adreno 225 combined with the S4 is real xxxxx, oh wait..........
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6121/glbenchmark-25-performance/2
I personally find the typing is very good even with the sense keyboard.
With swiftkey it is even better!
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Wow! Terminator 1 - troll 0 :good:
Closed Source Project said:
Please don't be a ****. From your signature it looks like you don't even have this device. You are probably one of the trolls who wrote bad reviews.
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Just because I dont own it doesnt mean I havent used it. I work for a phone shop and my co-worker has this phone. I think it's "interesting" to see HTC uses the S3 in the version sold in all regions in Asian Pacific, and yet charges the same price as the S4 version. Not sure how amazing Sense 4.1 will be once it comes but from what I've seen out of the box it's laggy. But I guess it's gonna really a big injustice since no-one asks for it anyway. Everyone buys either Samsung or Apple or (rarely) One X.
I think I should shut my mouth because when people say the truth on here they are often mistaken for being trolls and get banned. Scary.
laggy? sense 4.0 on my one s is less laggy than my friends SGS3 and even iphone4.
you sir, are biased and doesnt know what you are talking about.
and about the phones people buy, that has to do nothing with the wellness of the phones, its absolutely marketing, which HTC lacks alot.
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laggy? sense 4.0 on my one s is less laggy than my friends SGS3 and even iphone4.
you sir, are biased and doesnt know what you are talking about.
and about the phones people buy, that has to do nothing with the wellness of the phones, its absolutely marketing, which HTC lacks alot.
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Biased? lol yeah right I dont even own those phones. And to say that sense 4.0 is smoother than Touchcrap 4.0 and iOS5 is just outright lying. Yes it's smoother than sense 3.0 but it's still laggy and I have been following the One X long enough to know that A LOT OF people complain about how laggy sense 4.0 was.
And FYI people dont ask about HTC not because HTC doesnt advertise enough. As a matter of fact a lot people know about them. They just dont buy them because HTC has the reputation of making buggy phones. And as a former owner of 2 HTC phones I cant say I disagree.
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Just because I dont own it doesnt mean I havent used it. I work for a phone shop and my co-worker has this phone. I think it's "interesting" to see HTC uses the S3 in the version sold in all regions in Asian Pacific, and yet charges the same price as the S4 version. Not sure how amazing Sense 4.1 will be once it comes but from what I've seen out of the box it's laggy. But I guess it's gonna really a big injustice since no-one asks for it anyway. Everyone buys either Samsung or Apple or (rarely) One X.
I think I should shut my mouth because when people say the truth on here they are often mistaken for being trolls and get banned. Scary.
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You got an S3, didn't you? I'm sorry about that and have been quite out-spoken about HTC's idiotic behavior regarding other countries, but the S4 One S is a great piece of machinery.
I have never had on hands experience with the S3 version so can't comment on it, however, when I have had my S4 one S side by side with the GS 3 (quad) and the 4s, the one S has been quicker/snappier/instant smartphone and the GS 3 appears smoother overall, although this is largely down to the animations and the animation scaling used, when JB arrives on both phones there should be no difference at all then really, in terms of smoothness.
I have found the 4s/4 to be laggy in quite a few places personally and not as silky smooth as what many people make it out to be.
Also, the one X hardware (tegra 3) was very poorly optimized with sense/ICS, when the mobile was first released, it was so laggy and nowhere as instant as the one S (S4), since the last update it has improved somewhat, however, still not as good as the S (S4) and GS 3, with JB it should be much better as the nexus 7 has the exact same hardware and it is smoother and faster than both the GS 3 and S, of course assuming HTC don't **** up with driver optimisation on sense Vxx whatever it will be with JB.
Regarding why people don't get HTC handsets, yes for some reason people seem to think they're an awful company with poor phones, I would have agreed with some of their phones (largely the desire HD, IMO their worst phone), however, most of their phones (especially the one series) are actually very good and out of the people I know who have a HTC android device have been very happy with theirs and not had any problems (a lot of people absolutely love sense, the homescreen and widgets impresses the "average joes" a lot). And it does largely come down to marketing/brand in the end, as in the UK here, the majority of ads that I see on TV, posters on bus stops etc. is for the GS 3, iphone, GS 2, galaxy ACE & Ace 2 (the Ace mobiles are bundled with very good network deals though, the ads aren't actually for the phones themselves) along with a few for the one X and virtually no ads at all for the one S (still have not seen a single ad on TV for the one S), people automatically recognise the GS 3 and iphones where as with the likes of HTC phones people aren't sure about them and automatically think they aren't good since they never heard of them.
It is a shame because HTC did start the "empire" of android with the hero, desire and nexus one, dread to think where android would be now if it weren't for them.
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Good work!
But one point is not quite correct:
The case of the Edge is not like the HTC One. It's made of amorphous metal.
The phone should get more around.
Help spred the word!
https://www.thunderclap.it/en/projects/3486
I think you should take down the audiophile circuitry thing, the low light optimized camera thing and the optimized for photo realism thing, too.
Those are subjective really, and spec charts should only compare names and numbers, not advertised quality.
The HTC One is a prime example of this. It was supposed to be amazing in low light. It sucks. All that marketing crap and all I get is unfocused blue noise.
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I think you should take down the audiophile circuitry thing and the optimized for photo realism thing, too.
Those are subjective really, and spec charts should only compare names and numbers, not advertised quality.
The HTC One is a prime example of this. It was supposed to be amazing in low light. It sucks. All that marketing crap and all I get is unfocused blue noise.
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Agreed
My pal has the iPhone 5 and it is a good phone but honestly, it feels dull. And since the 4.3 custom ROM got leaked, my interest in GS4 has piqued even further. But also needed to know, is it true what they are saying about GPU tweaking of the GS4 to perform better on the likes of Antutu, GLBenchmark etc??
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My pal has the iPhone 5 and it is a good phone but honestly, it feels dull. And since the 4.3 custom ROM got leaked, my interest in GS4 has piqued even further. But also needed to know, is it true what they are saying about GPU tweaking of the GS4 to perform better on the likes of Antutu, GLBenchmark etc??
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They overclocked the GPU whenever a benchmarking application was run giving a 10% performance boost.
Not good for the circuit depending on thermal conditions, nor for advertising.
Canonical's phone is a difficult story, mostly because it's difficult to advertise something well when you spend 0% on retailers and advertising. Everything goes to manufacturing the phone. For once there's a possibility of seeing a phone getting made with 100% of the money going into hardware. Not just any hardware, because they promise to employ hardware technologies that are still on the horizon - those that may never reach consumers.
That said, despite all its interesting software features, it still runs Android.
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They overclocked the GPU whenever a benchmarking application was run giving a 10% performance boost.
Not good for the circuit depending on thermal conditions, nor for advertising.
Canonical's phone is a difficult story, mostly because it's difficult to advertise something well when you spend 0% on retailers and advertising. Everything goes to manufacturing the phone. For once there's a possibility of seeing a phone getting made with 100% of the money going into hardware. Not just any hardware, because they promise to employ hardware technologies that are still on the horizon - those that may never reach consumers.
That said, despite all its interesting software features, it still runs Android.
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But that's wrong on Samsung's part. Was going through AnandTech's entry about it and the tweaking in the code was clear as day. Don't understand why they needed to do this as the processor is pretty powerful as it is.
For the Ubuntu Edge, I hope it sees the light of the day as it will definitely make the OEMs re-think and put in better hardware in future sets.