hi guys,
with this post I would invite you to do a last test to verify the impermeability.
This test is similar to the last and I imagine you know very well, the only difference is to close the lanyard hole with a piece of tape; then, with a little weight on the front glass, check the pressure variation. I obtained this result:
initial pressure: 1017,10
With weight: 1018,50
The pressure decreased very very very slowly, for example from 1018,50 to 1018,40 in about 5 minutes.
By the way, pressure never fixed on a precise value.
From what I saw on XDA (guy in a video that closes the lanyard hole and checks the pressure and the topic about the classical pressure test means nothing about how that phone of the guy was full of water inside, after a positive test pressure) I think this is a new little step to have a more accurately test.
The way i checked, I believe is much better,
The best way to test the waterproof ability is to first check pressure *#*#service#*#* on dial pad and go to option to check pressure.
First open a flap and keep it opened, now apply pressure while a flap is open, you will notice the pressure does not increase at all. (Mine stayed at 1020)
Second now make sure all compartments are secure apply pressure on screen you will notice the pressure increases(My phone went to 1029) . If it doesn't that means there is an air leak.
FYI also check if by pressing the power button the pressure does not reduce, cuz I have heard people complain on forums that there power button became loose. Also be careful with your device it has water resistance but wear and tear will affect your phone's water resistance .
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I tried using the pressure sensor on the service tests to know if my xperia z3 is water proof or not. Whenever I put pressure to my phone the numbers don't go up. It only goes up to one number (from 1006 to 1007 sometimes 1006 to 1007 then to 1005) does this mean my phone isn't waterproof?
There is a likelihood of a leak but a small one meaning if there was a gap somewhere it would change only in decimals, so less than 3 points from rest state is still a lot less than I experienced . Recheck ur flaps and the rubber around the flap plus check around the power button and lastly carefully inspect the device closely for any gaps.
Sometimes the black rubber lining the flap might be twisted or damaged which can be easily repaired.If it's around the button area or between the metal and plastic u r out of luck. Check for hairline cracks as well.
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So I ended up cracking my screen and installed a replacement last night. Everything seemed fine but I noticed, after putting it back together, that any slight bit of pressure or shock to the top causes my N5 to shut off.
I took it apart again to make sure all of the ribbons were properly connected and to take a second look and everything appears fine. I didn't have this problem prior to the replacement and I was very gentle during the tear down and reassembly so I don't the the CPU or anything on it is damaged. Other than the top being hyper sensitive the phone works perfectly.
Any ideas on what the problem is or could be?
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I just wanted to fill in anyone curious or running into this problem in the future on how I resolved the issue.
So after some time I narrowed the problem down to the second back cover (the one with the camera lens and beneath the Nexus branded cover) making contact with the motherboard. More specifically, compressing the power management IC with its aluminum cover. You want to make sure that chip is laid flush which was a PITA, for me at least, because the headphone jack and earpiece speaker wants to push it up and out. What I did was put the jack in, lay the board on top, then gradually adjusted the jack with tweezers while gently pushing the motherboard down until the board was flush, then placing the earpiece speaker in.
I then placed the second back cover on and tightened the screws until I could feel them just slightly putting pressure on the cover. I can't stress how light this pressure is as it is the key in resolving this issue. To compare it to changing your oil filter on your car; when you can feel the filter make solid contact with the block and you then turn it about another half turn to seal it; it's like that but without that half turn.
Anyway, I hope this helps anyone else unfortunate enough to both break their screen and then have their phone randomly shut down when any pressure is applied after fixing it.
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TCGUK said:
So I ended up cracking my screen and installed a replacement last night. Everything seemed fine but I noticed, after putting it back together, that any slight bit of pressure or shock to the top causes my N5 to shut off.
I took it apart again to make sure all of the ribbons were properly connected and to take a second look and everything appears fine. I didn't have this problem prior to the replacement and I was very gentle during the tear down and reassembly so I don't the the CPU or anything on it is damaged. Other than the top being hyper sensitive the phone works perfectly.
Any ideas on what the problem is or could be?
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hello where didu buy the screen for your new n5 ? there is any king of intrusion to do it .
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josedecuba said:
hello where didu buy the screen for your new n5 ? there is any king of intrusion to do it .
thank:good:
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I bought mine off of eBay and it cost me $150. I could be wrong but it looked like the screen can't be separated from the frame. You might want to keep that in mind when purchasing because there are sellers that sell the screen without a frame. Tearing down the N5 was pretty simple. The hardest part for me was getting the back cover off as there are 4 (two on each side) large clips. If you end up bending the clips any, you can push them back to shape to keep the back from creaking like every Samsung I've ever owned. There's a nice guide on iFixit if you want to look at the process prior to ordering a new part.
I've read from others that you can send your phone into LG and they'll repair the screen for you. When you send it in they'll email a quote to you within a day. The price I keep seeing is $146 and I have no idea what the turn around on that is.
Hello,
I wanna share my experience with waterproofing and my Z3.
My Z3 was not waterproof from the very first moment, I noticed since I was getting lot of fog in the camera and I was failing the pressure test. Once it even died for few minutes!
Pressure test:
1. dial *#*#7378423#*#*
2. go to "Service Tests"
3. go to "pressure sensor"
4. slightly compress the phone using your thumb and index finger by pressing on the display and back. If the pressure doesn't change, it is not waterproof
I reached the conclusion that the back panel was not glued properly, since I could see it un-sticking a little bit while slightly bending the phone. I didn't send it to warranty since it would take a month to reemplace... and who knows it if would be really fixed.
I bought instead a sticker to to reemplace the original one online: http://goo.gl/oVnznw
I did the job carefully and afterwards it was passing the pressure test! I dunk my phone several times, no problem at all.
After a few days, the pressure test was giving much less difference in pressure, so I think it is getting un-sticked again.
Am I the only one having problems with the back panel and the waterproof? any idea for a permanent fix?
Send it off to Sony's Repair Centre
Hi guys, please see pictures. Is this normal?
There's a tiny gap between my top side of the screen and the frame (fits 2 lotto papers easily.)
It is annoying because the bottom side is perfect; the back side is also perfect.
Any body has this problem?
Hey, well i was curios too, .... for me the top is very very tight , close and no gap , no paper is going in.
But for the bottom is not, easy enter a papper in the gap , and you can see it .
I'm not concern about the bottom beacuse i will NOT put it in water !
Check my pictures ( recomend use , and google plus classic , for zoom
https://plus.google.com/photos/113360088344058276817/albums/6369905804234775025
Wasn't this answered elsewhere, in that the gap is deliberate to allow for expansions and contractions in temperature? We may need to be careful not to become too paranoid with the design, as some will gratuitously return the handsets which may raise the bar for those with a genuine warranty claim. If it's a waterproofing concern, I don't think we're supposed to be submerging the handsets, which are more water resistant than waterproof as I understand it. Apologies if this sounds a bit "preachy" and feel free to correct me if I'm way off here......
On my unit the top, bottom and the left side of the screen/frame connection are tight, but the right side where the power button is does have sligthly bigger gap, very tiny difference.
I'm sure if the phone passes the pressure test, it shouldn't be a concern about it beeing water resistant.
If it doesn't pass the pressure test, take it to service and demand a new one.
But If you go to a dealer and look at other phones on a store display you'll see they all have this tiny gap somwhere, not each on the same place, so I guess it's there for a reason and there's a tolerance for it.
As I said, if it passes pressure test, don't worry about it and don't try to adjust it or re-glue it or something.
I have the same gap on the bottom edge. Washed my phone many times, took showers with it. I dont have any issues.
cizkek_ said:
I have the same gap on the bottom edge. Washed my phone many times, took showers with it. I dont have any issues.
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One has to ask, why?? All you need to do is wipe your phone with a cloth dampened with anti-bacterial spray. These phones are water resistant, not waterproof.
sunking101 said:
One has to ask, why?? All you need to do is wipe your phone with a cloth dampened with anti-bacterial spray. These phones are water resistant, not waterproof.
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You are right. I was irresponsible. Always wanted to do it though
I recently got my mobile serviced from a Sony service center, I believe the pressure sensor results indicate that my mobile is not fully sealed. No noticeable change in pressure.
So, can anyone please test this by accessing the service menu *#*#service#*#*, > tests > pressure sensor & try to apply slight pressure above the display.
It would be nice if you can record and upload the video to youtube like this.
thanks.
The pressure sensor is not a 100% way of knowing that your phone is "fully sealed".
iArvee said:
The pressure sensor is not a 100% way of knowing that your phone is "fully sealed".
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I get that, but why should the results vary from one mobile to the other. Does it mean anything or not?
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I get that, but why should the results vary from one mobile to the other. Does it mean anything or not?
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No, it shouldn't mean anything. My pressure sensor shows 10xx, while on my friend's phone it shows 11xx.
iArvee said:
No, it shouldn't mean anything. My pressure sensor shows 10xx, while on my friend's phone it shows 11xx.
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I think you don't get what I am saying. Mine doesn't go beyond 1007-1008 even when I apply pressure on the display.
So, I have recorded a video, it would be nice if you can do the same.
Thanks.
thalada said:
I think you don't get what I am saying. Mine doesn't go beyond 1007-1008 even when I apply pressure on the display.
So, I have recorded a video, it would be nice if you can do the same.
Thanks.
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mine shows 993 so its less pressure but it doesnt mean its not sealed, lets say (and its just an example) that the least pressure for the phone to be sealed is 900, i got 993, you got 1007, it means we are both fully sealed but yours is pressed harder, kind of like a piece of rubber put it on the ground with water next to it, it wont go through, doesnt matter how hard you apply pressure as long as there is slight pressure.
with that said, more pressure could mean stronger seal BUT it could also indicate that your phone is being pressed harder than it should even on flat state without applying any, which means your phone is slightly bent (the bend of the device is causing pressure on the sensor which leads to more pressure indication) and thats not a good thing, because once that happens, you might notice slight yellowISH spots on the sides of the screen (am I right?) if not then the pressure is not so high but it doesnt mean its not sealed but be careful not to apply more pressure - meaning dont put your phone in your pocket while youre sitting and because your leg is bent and in your pocket the phone might get hot so with bending pressure as the phone is made of metal (and glass), heat will cause the bending to be easier while in your pocket and that will cause screen touch problems and volume buttons , I had my phone sent to fix once cuz of that and they said its because of too much pressure applied on the phone with time caused such problems (especially times when its in your pocket while youre sitting.
and my phone pressure is lower than yours but its tested water proof after they fixed it in the lab so no worries
hope i cleared things up
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I think you don't get what I am saying. Mine doesn't go beyond 1007-1008 even when I apply pressure on the display.
So, I have recorded a video, it would be nice if you can do the same.
Thanks.
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Oh, thats what you mean. Apologies.
I can't take a video now, since I'm at work, but when I apply pressure to the screen, the pressure rises. The pressure should rise if the flap is closed. If the flap is open, the pressure won't rise. Since yours does not change, it might mean that there's leakage somewhere in the device. Since you had your phone serviced at a mobile center, have them double check if it is water resistant. If you had yours done at a Sony mobile center, they should be able to perform a water resistance test for you (request that they do it in front of you so you can be sure.)
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mine shows 993 so its less pressure but it doesnt mean its not sealed, lets say (and its just an example) that the least pressure for the phone to be sealed is 900, i got 993, you got 1007, it means we are both fully sealed but yours is pressed harder, kind of like a piece of rubber put it on the ground with water next to it, it wont go through, doesnt matter how hard you apply pressure as long as there is slight pressure.
with that said, more pressure could mean stronger seal BUT it could also indicate that your phone is being pressed harder than it should even on flat state without applying any, which means your phone is slightly bent (the bend of the device is causing pressure on the sensor which leads to more pressure indication) and thats not a good thing, because once that happens, you might notice slight yellowISH spots on the sides of the screen (am I right?) if not then the pressure is not so high but it doesnt mean its not sealed but be careful not to apply more pressure - meaning dont put your phone in your pocket while youre sitting and because your leg is bent and in your pocket the phone might get hot so with bending pressure as the phone is made of metal (and glass), heat will cause the bending to be easier while in your pocket and that will cause screen touch problems and volume buttons , I had my phone sent to fix once cuz of that and they said its because of too much pressure applied on the phone with time caused such problems (especially times when its in your pocket while youre sitting.
and my phone pressure is lower than yours but its tested water proof after they fixed it in the lab so no worries
hope i cleared things up
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Thank you for your explanation, but my pressure doesn't increases on the mobile. That's my biggest worry.
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Oh, thats what you mean. Apologies.
I can't take a video now, since I'm at work, but when I apply pressure to the screen, the pressure rises. The pressure should rise if the flap is closed. If the flap is open, the pressure won't rise. Since yours does not change, it might mean that there's leakage somewhere in the device. Since you had your phone serviced at a mobile center, have them double check if it is water resistant. If you had yours done at a Sony mobile center, they should be able to perform a water resistance test for you (request that they do it in front of you so you can be sure.)
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Yeah, exactly.
When you have time please use AZ Screen Recorder to record the video and do share with me when you have time.
No one?
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No one?
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Bro mine doesnt add any thing when i apply pressure it stays 993 even if i push hard so im not really sure how that works or where to push but its not a problem as after i once sent my phone to fix they performed a waterproof test and stated in their summary paper that its all good so take it easy its all good haha chill, if you gonna keep digging stuff like this looking for a problem you will never be happy with what you have
So I've been having a lot of trouble getting the fingerprint reader to work well with the whitestone dome.
I had both first gen and second gen whitestone glass and with their application methods, even the revised one with pressing down on the reader just doesn't cut it for proper recognition.
So I started trying different things and ended up with trying to use as less glue as I can with applying.
So what I do is:
Preperation:
Clean the device as in the description. Clean it with alcohol, slip it in the tray (I put a extra paper towel under the phone) and use the sticker to get the dust off
Glue:
Put the whole tube of glue on the phone (don't try to shake the last drop out, this can create air bubbles) and proceed as the manual describes. Move the glue blob to the center and pull the pin to drop the glass on the phone. Make sure there are no bubbles!
Applying:
So this is where I do something different. I try to get the glass as close as possible to the phone and squeeze as much glue out of the glass. I do this by applying pressure with a piece of Plexiglas that is about the size of the protector, but small enough to never touch the glue.
Prepare the UV light first and have it powered and within reach.
I put the plexiglass on top off the uncured screen protector and use 4 fingers to press down hard on it so that most of the glue squeezes out (that's why I have a extra paper towel under the phone)
KEEP APPLYING THE SAME PRESSURE
If you let loose of it air will get under the glass.
Now get your UV light and turn it on and shine the light on the device while keeping pressure on the glass.
Do this for both sides and do a minute on both.
Finishing up:
Take off the plexiglass and take the phone out the cradle.
Carefully clean the sides but try to use as little alcohol as possible.
Use the UV light again (I do this for about 1 minute each side again and do this 2 or 3 times)
Final cleaning of the phone
Increase touch sensitivity under the settings and register 2 fingerprints with it.
Tadaaaa! It should work miles and miles better than the other methods for applying this thing. I went trough about 5 domes and almost gave up until I tried this.
This also fixed the peeling problem for me since the glass is way closer to the phone
Hope it will help you guys too if you decide to try this.
You might also want to re register your prints after a week or so because the glue could still cure after the whole process and affect the sensor slightly
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You might also want to re register your prints after a week or so because the glue could still cure after the whole process and affect the sensor slightly
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I've noticed that too... You'll have to re-register the fingers after few days for better results. It is hard to explain but also the process of registering could be repeted few times until the result is good. You could imagine the glass/glue damage the real image of finger so you have to scan it in different ways until you reach the best recognition position.
I made about 8, 9 scans / finger until I reached a response of 90% of scanner. For me is OK!
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I've noticed that too... You'll have to re-register the fingers after few days for better results. It is hard to explain but also the process of registering could be repeted few times until the result is good. You could imagine the glass/glue damage the real image of finger so you have to scan it in different ways until you reach the best recognition position.
I made about 8, 9 scans / finger until I reached a response of 90% of scanner. For me is OK!
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Yeah definitely.
I noticed the more glue is between the glass and the screen, the more sensitive it get to issues like that.
That's why I applied it with pressure and recognition is up to 95%+ without having to press harder.
Why would it matter the pressure on the whole device? Wouldn't it be enough with pressure on the fingerprint scanner area?