Who usually works on root for att devices? I know the bootloader is locked but is anyone working on it?
I haven't heard of someone specifically working on it. But they could be working on and keeping it on the DL so they don't get pestered to death.
Now from another thread, user @android-DEP did some research with adb commands here is his post:
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Finally,i found the slideshow presentation i recently read that was posted online by the NSA, they're the ones implementing SELINUX to work with this KNOX bull****, plus all the other cute names of whatever other misc. technology, SAFE, TIMA.... i'm sure everyone saw the long list of garbage in the About section underneath where it shows the KNOX version.
The whole KNOX thing isn't where the issue is on the locked bootloader on NOTE 4. Since Knox was intended to be used in Enterprise corporate environments where a centralized server can be put in place to manage users devices, tripping that knox bit doesn't necessarily automatically void your warranty. About rooting Samsung KNOX-enabled devices and the KNOX warranty void bit. This is also discussed here, Knox Security & locked bootloader on new firmwares. Reading these 2 blogs was interesting and good info to know because I had a different idea of what this knox business was really all about.
Somewhere I stumbled upon a link to some NSA stuff to find out that the NOTE 4 was their chosen platform that they have thoroughly tested against every security standard in their books and all the new security changes they've implemented have held up to pass with flying colors. So one thing off the top I remembered clearly was that it is no longer possible to write to the /system partition within in domain or by any anything other than in recovery. Since previously the SELINUX was set to PERMISSIVE mode, there was wiggle room to work with whereas now it's set to ENFORCING by a mandatory device policy which simply denies all attempts and requests made to get access to the /system partition.
I was able to use adb to push busybox as well as the su binary files to /data/local/tmp directory where the shell has read\write privileges which let me use chmod 777 busybox, and the same thing for su. Then you can use them by first typing in ./busybox and whatever function\command you want busybox to perform. I spent last night and all of today just trying every single command and combo and variation of using busybox with just the su binary, I even installed supersu.apk and superuser.apk and kingroot.apk, tested a few dozen different mod strings variations using towelroot, I even decompiled a simple apk application to declare permission for request_superuser because using the "pm grant com.testapp.something android.permission.REQUEST_SUPERUSER", according the command usage instructions is supposed to grant the app whatever permission it's requesting that isn't by default granted by the system originally. So if an app is requesting some specific permission that was denied, "theoretically" that command should grant the privilege to the app so it would be able to run normally, but it just denies installing the app on the device no matter what I've tried.
Then I reread this statement from the NSA site on this exact phone
Security Evaluation Summary
The evaluation was carried out in accordance with the Common Criteria Evaluation and Validation Scheme (CCEVS) process and scheme. The criteria against which the Samsung Galaxy Note 4, Galaxy Note Edge, Galaxy Alpha & Galaxy Tab S 8.4 LTE & 10.5 LTE with KNOX 2 was judged are described in the Common Criteria for Information Technology Security Evaluation, Version 3.1 rev 4. The evaluation methodology used by the evaluation team to conduct the evaluation is the Common Methodology for Information Technology Security Evaluation, Version 3.1 rev 4. Gossamer Security Solutions determined that the evaluation assurance level (EAL) for the product is EAL 1. The product, when delivered and configured as identified in the Samsung Android 4.4 on Galaxy Devices Guidance Documentation, version 1.14, October 31, 2014 document, satisfies all of the security functional requirements stated in the Samsung Galaxy Note 4, Galaxy Note Edge, Galaxy Alpha, Galaxy Tab S 8.4 LTE & 10.5 LTE, & Galaxy Tab Active with KNOX 2 (MDFPP11) Security Target, Version 1.1, October 31, 2014. The project underwent CCEVS Validator review. The evaluation was completed in October 2014. Results of the evaluation can be found in the Common Criteria Evaluation and Validation Scheme Validation Report (report number CCEVS-VR-VID10597-2014) prepared by CCEVS.
Compliant Product - Samsung Galaxy Note 4, Galaxy Note Edge, Galaxy Alpha, Galaxy Tab S 8.4 LTE & 10.5 LTE, & Galaxy Tab Active with KNOX 2
Then reading this was like getting punched in the stomach
Protecting the Android TCB with SELinux
And this
Security Enhancements (SE) for Android
So I doubt my futile efforts would be any match against whatever the NSA has signed off on. This task would require someone that has a far deeper understanding of manipulating the coding to try exploiting any known vulnerabilities like geohot or comex or djrbliss... I really doubt there will be root available for the at&t variant anytime soon, I'm on the verge of trading this phone for a galaxy S5 with someone just because the S5 is rootable and I never knew how much I relied on having root permissions, it's frustrating to not be able to do so many things with the phone that I never realized required root
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Also this thread might be useful to follow for root info. It's at least got people conversing on the subject.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2961974
Also http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2930222
It's for the note 4 and correct me if I'm wrong but if it works for the note 4 it should work for the note edge as well.... right?
And also here is the bounty thread for note 4 root
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2946770
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Thanks for the links. I should have just stayed patient and ordered from tmobile. I wanted the phone so bad I went to att without even considering this would be a problem lol.
Darksynz said:
Thanks for the links. I should have just stayed patient and ordered from tmobile. I wanted the phone so bad I went to att without even considering this would be a problem lol.
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I did the same thing. I ended up returning the att model and bought the T-Mobile version. Att is always a struggle with the locked bootloaders. Could be awhile before root comes. I can tell you getting the T-Mobile one was well worth it. Root is great and it runs smoother than the att one. Could be an illusion but it seems a lot better.
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woke up today and was like man, i'd really like to root my AT&T Note Edge and debloat it some. now i'm sad...
don't give up on us devs !
I will personally murder any person of your choosing with my teeth if you can get the ATT Note edge rooted.
WITH. MY. TEETH.
I almost got to trade my note edge for a tmobile note 4 today..... almost. But then they stopped responding .... BUT I love the edge so maybe it for the better.
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The Samsung Galaxy S4 is shipping with a LoJack-style security feature that allows users to track a lost or stolen Samsung Galaxy S4 even after a hard reset.
Samsung enhanced the security of the Galaxy S4 with a partnership with Absolute, a company well-known for making notebook security software, and the feature is rolling out with the Galaxy S4 as part of Samsung KNOX.
Compared to Apple’s Find My iPhone feature, the Galaxy S4 will offer a more robust tracking solution. Thieves can restore the iPhone to disable Find My iPhone, but Absolute’s firmware-persistence technology on the Samsung Galaxy S4 lives at a firmware level, which means a hard reset will not cancel a user’s ability to track or remotely wipe the Galaxy S4.
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The Samsung Galaxy S4 is shipping with a LoJack-style security feature that allows users to track a lost or stolen Samsung Galaxy S4 even after a hard reset.
Samsung enhanced the security of the Galaxy S4 with a partnership with Absolute, a company well-known for making notebook security software, and the feature is rolling out with the Galaxy S4 as part of Samsung KNOX.
Compared to Apple’s Find My iPhone feature, the Galaxy S4 will offer a more robust tracking solution. Thieves can restore the iPhone to disable Find My iPhone, but Absolute’s firmware-persistence technology on the Samsung Galaxy S4 lives at a firmware level, which means a hard reset will not cancel a user’s ability to track or remotely wipe the Galaxy S4.
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Question is. Will both the Snapdragon and Octa have it? Will the US versions have it?
For some reason the US versions do not have the remote controls like my i9300 does. I have a feeling this feature will be lacking in some of the SGS4 just like the SGS3s.
None of us will be using Knox unless our employers are.
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/mobile/solution/security/samsung-knox
Could still go either way:
"The details for personal users are still shaping up, but Absolute will be built into the Samsung Galaxy S4 firmware as part of Samsung KNOX on all devices."
But one can always hope
alliktaavo said:
Could still go either way:
"The details for personal users are still shaping up, but Absolute will be built into the Samsung Galaxy S4 firmware as part of Samsung KNOX on all devices."
But one can always hope
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What do you guys think you need it for? What it does really has no benefit for an individual user. It's not meant to be a simple "find/wipe my phone" tool and requires a server side component to even work.
Samsung KNOX™ is the comprehensive enterprise mobile solution for work and play. With the increasing use of smartphones in businesses, Samsung KNOX™ addresses the mobile security needs of enterprise IT without invading the privacy of its employees.
Here's the brochure from the Samsung Business site.
http://www.samsung.com/global/busin...source/brochure/2013/03/knox_0307_Ffull-0.pdf
That's a useful feature and really should be integrated into all phones.
knox is the standard feature of SGS4..!! it will be in every device, using it or not will be the option given to user..!!
gavinfabl said:
That's a useful feature and really should be integrated into all phones.
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Samsung already has a consumer solution...
androidkking said:
knox is the standard feature of SGS4..!!
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That can't be used without additional server-side s/w. Are you going to set up this environment just so you can use Knox? If the answer's no, you won't be using Knox even though the client may be installed on the phone. And, since it's a business product, there's nothing to confirm that the Knox client is going to ship pre-installed on consumer SGS4's where it would useless. It may have to be installed by a company's IT department on Samsung phones they plan to control remotely. We'll never know because Knox won't even be mentioned in Samsung's consumer marketing and support info.
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I think that this LoJack feature would work without Knox as well..!!!
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Here's what was said in the release article...
With the same technology used in Computrace LoJack for Laptops, Galaxy users can track, manage and secure their device. This solution is aimed at business and enterprise users. The details for personal users are still shaping up, but Absolute will be built into the Samsung Galaxy S4 firmware as part of Samsung KNOX on all devices.Consumers won't be able to use Knox without server side s/w that they'll have no access to. It sets up dual partitions on the phone; one for business related files that are controlled by enterprise IT and a second for a user's personal data. Enterprise IT has complete control over the phone down to the bootloader level. Why would any consumer want or need that type of environment on their personal-only device even if they could somehow manage to do it? If Absolute Software comes up with a way of enabling the functionality without the need for Knox it could be used on consumer devices. But "still shaping up" doesn't make it seem likes it's around the corner. And if the solution they come up with doesn't offer control of the bootloader it'll be no different than Samsung's current solution, Dive, which does all the same things except withstand a hard reset.
Don't click on the link in the first post. It's to a link farm site and riddled with malware. Here's the same story from another safer site.
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2013/04/03/samsung-galaxy-s4-ships-with-lojack-tracking/
Apparently Samsung's getting ready to roll-out the announced N3 Knox improvements (consumer use vs. corporate device management) to the SGS4. One of the new Knox features allows device owners to prevent the wiping of the device in the event it's stolen. That's pretty cool. But apparently there are some pretty big security and permission changes that are being put in place to make it work based on a 9/4 SGS4 update Samsung pushed out. These are the changes from Chainfire the creator of SuperSU and Triangle Away.
SELinux enabled and set to "restrictive"
A more secure bootloader
A new warranty status indicator inside the bootloader
Inability to downgrade once the new bootloader's installed
What does it mean? The N3's locked down pretty tight and not at a carrier's direction. It's too early to say what the long-term impact will be but the devs are working on getting the flexibility that's gone back.
Follow this thread for more info...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2432100
Here's Chainfire's post on G+...
https://plus.google.com/u/0/+Chainfire/posts/5ggu7naWtaW#+Chainfire/posts/5ggu7naWtaW
Yeah,Knox security and locked bootloader is probably going to be a major headache.
Hope there is a permanent solution for this, time will tell
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I hope someone is going to figure it out. Im stuck with Verizon so if i buy it i don't have the option to buy it unlocked. But I'm not going to knowingly buy a locked device and then whine and complain about not being able to unlock it. Not being unlocked could be a deal breaker for me.
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If thats true, then its a big blow to the dev community
i already preordered mine out of contract. This is really something that concerns me. Coming from the note 1 I really only care about the screen size/ quality/ camera/ and snapdragon 800. i got 15 days to return and this might be the reason why. I find flashing to be fun.(phones and self=) 21 days of pondering after being pretty dam sure on next phone.
Is Knox included by default for all N3? or is it just for business customers?
CLARiiON said:
Is Knox included by default for all N3? or is it just for business customers?
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I don't know for sure if Samsung has said one way or the other, but from a production standpoint, it would be easier to include it on all phones.
My main concern is that with a locked bootloader, adding a custom recovery is much more difficult. I prefer being able to create my own phone backups and use them as-needed. Android's stock recovery hasn't changed since at least the OG Droid, and therefore lacks this ability. Otherwise, my personal reasons for wanting to flash have significantly reduced since my first Android device.
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Not being unlocked could be a deal breaker for me. Sent from my XT926 using Tapatalk 4
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daraj said:
If thats true, then its a big blow to the dev community
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joverclock said:
This is really something that concerns me. I find flashing to be fun.
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This is indeed a concern and could be a deal breaker for me too. As joverclock said, I too really enjoy tinkering with my phone and have missed the active development activities with my EVO 4G LTE that I enjoyed with the original EVO.
Dev Edition?
DCLocal said:
This is indeed a concern and could be a deal breaker for me too. As joverclock said, I too really enjoy tinkering with my phone and have missed the active development activities with my EVO 4G LTE that I enjoyed with the original EVO.
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Them ( CFO Shamwow VZW) selling phones at retail price locked is a joke. Full price I want to do whatever with the phone. vzw s4 seems pretty well locked on the MDK (latest) revision without the possib to odin downgrade.
Any rumors of a dev version ( unlocked bootloader ) in similar way with this?
Not unlocked no note 3 for me. I have preordered i605-note 2 and Adam Outler unlocked it in 7 days ( including ordering the phone). maybe he can help again.
Many thanks
Abe
CLARiiON said:
Is Knox included by default for all N3? or is it just for business customers?
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It's on my att S4
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CLARiiON said:
Is Knox included by default for all N3? or is it just for business customers?
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Samsung KNOX & Find My Mobile
The new GALAXY Note 3 comes with enhanced privacy and security protection provided by Samsung KNOX. Users can activate Samsung KNOX with ease which allows them to run and store security-sensitive applications and data inside a protected execution environment called “container.” The security inside the container is strengthened by system-level protection of Samsung KNOX against malware and phishing attacks as well as hacking attempts on physical devices when devices are stolen or lost. For instance, important personal pictures or video can be stored in the container with no worries for data leakage due to hacking. In addition, users may choose to store enterprise applications and data such as corporate email, contacts and calendar and allow the IT department to manage the container through EAS (Exchange ActiveSync Server). These features make the GALAXY Note 3 an ideal device for BYOD (Bring-Your-Own-Device to work)
Furthermore, the GALAXY Note 3 is equipped with an improved Find My Mobile feature that allows users to disable the phone when it is stolen or lost. With the enhanced user authentication, the technology prevents stolen mobile phones from being reset to factory settings, and allows users to remotely track or erase the data from their lost or stolen mobile phones.
A user doesn't have to activate it but the hooks it needs and control over the bootloader it requires will be on every N3. The same hooks and bootloader changes were just pushed out to the SGS4 which is what has their forum up in arms. I'm guessing Knox was inert on consumer SGS4's originally because it required corporate device management s/w to enable it. Now that it's being aimed at consumers it's going to be on all Samsung's devices that can support it. The devs on the SGS4 forum are still trying to understand what the changes mean and how to work around them. It broke all Chainfire's apps (One Click Root, SuperSU, Triangle Away, Mobile Odin) so he's especially keen at addressing Knox's new "features."
Samsung had a big presence here at the Atlanta Airwatch Connect conference. They mention the new Knox capable hardware "burns in on hardware" when it is rooted and cannot be undone.
I'm not enough of a techie to ask them more specifics about how they accomplish this. But thought I would pass it on here so someone smarter than I can valid this claim.
I might just cancel my preorder if this is true.
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jetjock said:
Samsung had a big presence here at the Atlanta Airwatch Connect conference. They mention the new Knox capable hardware "burns in on hardware" when it is rooted and cannot be undone.
I'm not enough of a techie to ask them more specifics about how they accomplish this. But thought I would pass it on here so someone smarter than I can valid this claim.
I might just cancel my preorder if this is true.
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Yes if this is true I will be getting back form 739 from best buy and giving it to someone else.
We have been lucky with the s4 here in canada..non locked bootloader. The last at&t ota locked theirs down and they have root but thats all.now it seems the international devices are being locked down also.
I hope the CAN version of the N3 continues the no lock trend but I kind of doubt it. I planned or pre ordering but I think ill wait and see first.
I refuse to spend $800 on a device and not be able to do what I want with it.
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Samsung is gonna be hurting if they shy away the regular Joe consumer to try and get enterprise customers. I would think consumers outnumber enterprise people but even if not true, Samsung won't get all thebeneterprise with apple, Microsoft and blackberry in the running also. I am hoping for an unlocked USA LTE band compatible with unlocked bootloader. My next phone needs to hold me until 64bit chips makebwaves on android and I think the note3 can do that in the meantime. The note2 probably could but I am smartphone techno nerd and the note 2 will be ancient history to me if I owned it more than 15 months.
Just thought I'd let you all know:
I have the new MH8 firmware on my S4 that has the new locked bootloader and Knox security.
I had no trouble rooting it, installing CWM Recovery and flashing CM10.2. All works fine.
The downside is that once you're on this new bootloader you cannot downgrade stock firmware using Odin.
That's the only limitation I've come across.
I can still flash any custom ROM, any custom Kernel and any custom recovery
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Samsung is gonna be hurting if they shy away the regular Joe consumer to try and get enterprise customers. I would think consumers outnumber enterprise people but even if not true, Samsung won't get all thebeneterprise with apple, Microsoft and blackberry in the running also. I am hoping for an unlocked USA LTE band compatible with unlocked bootloader. My next phone needs to hold me until 64bit chips makebwaves on android and I think the note3 can do that in the meantime. The note2 probably could but I am smartphone techno nerd and the note 2 will be ancient history to me if I owned it more than 15 months.
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XDA looks at Knox's impact to customization and shivers. The masses look at it as a safe and unique place to store their porn and a way of increasing the chances of getting their lost/stolen device back. We're 5% of the market and the masses are 95%. Samsung losing 5% of their sales is about equal to all the devices HTC will sell in 2013. We're opinion leaders and early adopters but we're not indispensable.
P.S. - I'm not agreeing with what Samsung's doing so please don't shoot the messenger.
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XDA looks at Knox's impact to customization and shivers. The masses look at it as a safe and unique place to store their porn and a way of increasing the chances of getting their lost/stolen device back. We're 5% of the market and the masses are 95%. Samsung losing 5% of their sales is about equal to all the devices HTC will sell in 2013. We're opinion leaders and early adopters but we're not indispensable.
P.S. - I'm not agreeing with what Samsung's doing so please don't shoot the messenger.
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I'm sure the 5% are capable to influence another 30% of the masses not to buy Note 3
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when will we know its locked? how long does it take for hackers/devs to find out that it can be unlocked..?
still not sure if i should pull the trigger for the pre order.. im assuming its a 50/50 chance because if i get it now and it can be unlocked and later they update it and it ships with that new update ill be bum and locked out on the fun
i need my root.. dont like ads/crapware
markysd said:
when will we know its locked? how long does it take for hackers/devs to find out that it can be unlocked..?
still not sure if i should pull the trigger for the pre order.. im assuming its a 50/50 chance because if i get it now and it can be unlocked and later they update it and it ships with that new update ill be bum and locked out on the fun
i need my root.. dont like ads/crapware
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I just realized how much I use Root lol, def gonna need that at a min if I want to switch
Guys, is there any chance for us to get official update to 2014ths features? Or even unofficial updates, with TwROM functionalities?
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Guys, is there any chance for us to get official update to 2014ths features? Or even unofficial updates, with TwROM functionalities?
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The question shall be different: is there any chance for us to get ANY official update.
And the answer seems to be obvious: NO.
That's Sammy's policy. N10.1 was not selling as expected - so let's show its users a middle finger. After being a Sammy's loyal client for almost 10 years - that's the absolute end, as it is the 4th device which was left without serious updates (other than cosmetic ones...) in less than a half-year after debut.
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The question shall be different: is there any chance for us to get ANY official update.
And the answer seems to be obvious: NO.
That's Sammy's policy.
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You have been told this by someone at Samsung?
If not....... can you send me the link to were you read about this being Samsung's policy.
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I actually work with a Samsung Solutions Architect, and according to a conference call that I had this morning regarding a beta I am running on the Note 3 and Knox. Samsung is in the final stages of testing with Samsung Knox and the Galaxy Note 10.1, the problem any Carrier branded Note 10.1 has is that IT IS THE CARRIER who says when the updates get pushed out. Samsung has a 4.3 update for "legacy" devices, but with the partnership they have with the carriers ATT, Tmobile VZW and Sprint, the carriers are the ones who are not signing off on the updates. In the case of the Gt-N8013 I have NO clue what the hold up is besides the beta test for knox that I am part of. During the conference call I asked the Director of SEA Knox Development team when this will be brought to the 2012 version of Galaxy Note 10.1 and his reply is they are aggressively working on the update and it should be done soon. Now I know that doesn't mean much but at least it shows Samsung didn't just drop the 2012 version they just "need" more time to test it out. That is actually why I am part of the SEA KNOX BETA that will run the first qt of the new year.
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I actually work with a Samsung Solutions Architect, and according to a conference call that I had this morning regarding a beta I am running on the Note 3 and Knox. Samsung is in the final stages of testing with Samsung Knox and the Galaxy Note 10.1, the problem any Carrier branded Note 10.1 has is that IT IS THE CARRIER who says when the updates get pushed out. Samsung has a 4.3 update for "legacy" devices, but with the partnership they have with the carriers ATT, Tmobile VZW and Sprint, the carriers are the ones who are not signing off on the updates. In the case of the Gt-N8013 I have NO clue what the hold up is besides the beta test for knox that I am part of. During the conference call I asked the Director of SEA Knox Development team when this will be brought to the 2012 version of Galaxy Note 10.1 and his reply is they are aggressively working on the update and it should be done soon. Now I know that doesn't mean much but at least it shows Samsung didn't just drop the 2012 version they just "need" more time to test it out. That is actually why I am part of the SEA KNOX BETA that will run the first qt of the new year.
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Thats why Sammy shouldnt release so many devices. It costs them more money and more time to update since they have so many devices. I bought this tablet because I thought it was their flag ship tablet that means it would get update faster but I was totally wrong. I wont buy any ****ty tablet from Samsung again.
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I actually work with a Samsung Solutions Architect, and according to a conference call that I had this morning regarding a beta I am running on the Note 3 and Knox. Samsung is in the final stages of testing with Samsung Knox and the Galaxy Note 10.1, the problem any Carrier branded Note 10.1 has is that IT IS THE CARRIER who says when the updates get pushed out. Samsung has a 4.3 update for "legacy" devices, but with the partnership they have with the carriers ATT, Tmobile VZW and Sprint, the carriers are the ones who are not signing off on the updates. In the case of the Gt-N8013 I have NO clue what the hold up is besides the beta test for knox that I am part of. During the conference call I asked the Director of SEA Knox Development team when this will be brought to the 2012 version of Galaxy Note 10.1 and his reply is they are aggressively working on the update and it should be done soon. Now I know that doesn't mean much but at least it shows Samsung didn't just drop the 2012 version they just "need" more time to test it out. That is actually why I am part of the SEA KNOX BETA that will run the first qt of the new year.
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my dear friend mikejones13
thanks for your honest and precise answer
but the question being asked is somehow different than what u said
what i care most is the "feature pack" presented with the new note! it's my right and i want all of those capabilities on my N8000!
ps: u see? i am not looking for just an update! having waited so long makes me worry if I am gonna get something valuable in return or not!
I'd asked the same question before and got no answers
Basic answer with all upgrades is you may get them . But you have no entitlement to them you never bought them in the first place . Plus at some stage the apps may be ported .
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my dear friend mikejones13
thanks for your honest and precise answer
but the question being asked is somehow different than what u said
what i care most is the "feature pack" presented with the new note! it's my right and i want all of those capabilities on my N8000!
ps: u see? i am not looking for just an update! having waited so long makes me worry if I am gonna get something valuable in return or not!
I'd asked the same question before and got no answers
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Well I think you have your "right" mixed up with your "want" Samsung doesn't owe you anything for buying the 2012 version of the galaxy note 10.1 they are under no obligation to provide you with the the new features of the 2014 edition. If and I do mean if we get them, then that was mighty nice of Samsung. Otherwise if it is so important to get the new features I suggest porting the rom over to these devices. Don't get me wrong I would like the features as well considering I am the admin for my job and I have deployed 800+ 2012 Galaxy Note 10.1's to our students and staff. I don't remember Samsung saying you get X amount of updates on x amount of years when you buy a device.
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mikejones13 said:
Well I think you have your "right" mixed up with your "want" Samsung doesn't owe you anything for buying the 2012 version of the galaxy note 10.1 they are under no obligation to provide you with the the new features of the 2014 edition. If and I do mean if we get them, then that was mighty nice of Samsung. Otherwise if it is so important to get the new features I suggest porting the rom over to these devices. Don't get me wrong I would like the features as well considering I am the admin for my job and I have deployed 800+ 2012 Galaxy Note 10.1's to our students and staff. I don't remember Samsung saying you get X amount of updates on x amount of years when you buy a device.
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Yes, Samsung didnt say anything and it doesnt need to even say anything. But when they chose Android OS they knew that every companies working with Android know that everybody having an android device are expecting to get updates - it is a nature of android. It developes fast.. What do you expect to happen if Apple did the same? "Sorry, but no new ios for u, just buy a new iWhatever?" Even the dumbiest sheep will be lost...
As you probably have seen it in a real life too, Samsung just has too many devices to kerp updated and they still dont stop. Every week they launch a new device, just changed something just a little bit to get a new toy - today it was a some model with a screen size 8.2", tomorrow they launch it again, but it will have a 8.3" screen. On next week they change it a little bit again and it is now called "pro". How can you even think about any updates nowadays!? It's crazy already, they are just flooding the markets!
And what comes to updates, i give a **** what carriers want or not. Remember that people live outside usa too. In Europe most of us dont have any carrier linked, bloatware devices. Like i am using an international version (nordic actually) of N8000, and no carriers. Why isnt this one updated? No need to wait carriers and their bloatware or anything... It is just an excuse. I only hope Samsung has faced the problem they did all by themselves flooding with billion devices. Unfortunately customers are those who pay the price!
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mikejones13 said:
they are under no obligation to provide you with the the new features of the 2014 edition.
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true.
However, it would be nice if they would close that ugly Exynos security hole ...
I have been a user of Google Wallet Tap & Pay since it first started. I am currently running it on my Verizon Galaxy S3 with Alliance Rom 22. After all the painful process of getting it to work (NFC Fix, build prop, etc), Google is killing Tap & Pay on all devices <4.4. I'm a fan of Touchwiz roms for some of the features, but I don't want to give up Tap & Pay, especially as new retailers are finally starting to integrate it.
I will need to upgrade to 4.4.2, and there is still an issue with the current S3 NFC chip (NXP) not being compatible with the new HCE. Does anyone know of a fully working ROM 4.4.2, AOSP based, or a 4.3 ROM with this functionality available? Do I simply have to wait for 4.4.3, and lose Tap & Pay until it drops?
Thanks,
Alan
Since Verizon has their own competing product and never supported Google Wallet, I think your chances of having it in any version of Android except by hack, like you currently run it are slim. Its doesn't seem that Google really wants to be in this payment business anyway judging from the very limited market penetration and lack of retailer acceptance.
Host Card Emulation, or HCE is not a new chip, its a new method. It allows Google to bypass carrier rules that prevent an app from accessing something as integral as an NFC secure element. Instead, it would use just NFC safely. This means that Wallet users were no longer limited to Sprint or Nexus devices, so maybe there is a chance. But I see Google's lack of marketing for tap and pay as an indication that they may let it die unless they find more marketing partners.
For more insight into Google wallet fail mode, see this interview with its creators.
http://www.fastcompany.com/3021913/...llet-creators-reflect-on-its-failures-lessons
I agree with everything you just said above.
My question isn't if Google Wallet will be supported - it never has been on Verizon with the GS3, and likely never will.
While HCE does not require a NFC secure element, it currently does not support all NFC chips - there are numerous threads regarding this. Some device manufacturers have added code to make HCE work with the NXP NFC chip in other phones, however Samsung has not done this. The rumor is that 4.4.3 may add this coding.
What I am looking for is the best way to keep my Google Wallet hack options going forward.
If there is expected to be a TW based rom with the elements from 4.4.3 that will allow Wallet to work, I would go with that.
Otherwise, I may as well switch over to an AOSP ROM in the hopes that the next version will allow Wallet to work again. The deadline for the death of tap and pay is 4/14/14, so I'll have to make my decision soon.
Has anyone confirmed HCE working with SGS3 on a 4.4.2 rom? Or are we all dependent on the soon-to-be extinct Secure Element?
There is hope!
There have been some articles in the past few days about mounting evidence of a 4.4.2 update for the US versions of the S3. Both Mashable and JustAboutPhones have printed leaks of the update being in the final testing phase, with possible release in the first week of May.
Both articles quote support for NFC Tap and Pay.
With Verizon, this doesn't ensure we will be able to use Google Wallet Tap and Pay, as I'm sure they will do everything they can to cripple it in favor of ISIS. However, I'll bet code can be ported from a Sprint ROM that will allow a Custom TW 4.4.2 ROM with this functionality.
I hope Beans and the AllianceRom team will be looking at this - I miss my Tap and Pay.
Alan
Tap and Pay was very cool and easy to use. Main reason I rooted my Verizon S3. Lost that ability when I upgraded then soft bricked my phone. Got it back and rooted, and looking for a ROM to load that will support Google Wallet and Tap and Pay...
I've found the link to be able to download the Samsung Pay Beta .apk file but I haven't figured out how to get it to install. Does someone else want to try? I'm stuck on a Samsung S6 Edge running 5.0.2. I wonder if you have to have 5.1.1 to run it.
Korea Link - https://kr.mpay.samsung.com/apk
US Link - https://us.mpay.samsung.com/apk
Here's a download link for the Samsung Pay .apk file I found on the Korean link. It lets me install it on my Samsung S6 Edge+ running android 5.1.1.
https://mega.nz/#!cRFkUAhT!8h7kOQ8opFy3YWal7xgw68EByv6dOsgepURGy9C005E
hopkinsdn said:
It seems Samsung has created a hotline in the U.S for testers. +1-844-726-7297
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I called today and they told me to download the Samsung Plus app from the Google playstore. I downloaded it agreed to the terms and logged in and then inside the app there was a link that said "Join Samsung Pay Beta". So far it doesn't do anything, but it seems promising that it might work tomorrow after the beta has officially begun.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.samsung.oh
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meek2100 said:
I called today and they told me to download the Samsung Plus app from the Google playstore. I downloaded it agreed to the terms and logged in and then inside the app there was a link that said "Join Samsung Pay Beta". So far it doesn't do anything, but it seems promising that it might work tomorrow after the beta has officially begun.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.samsung.oh
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Just seen something today that Samsung Pay will be available on the sprint versions of the S6 and S6 edge. I know android pay isn't far away either. I've used Google wallet for awhile on my Nexus 5 and for the most part it works well
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Why you can't root your Samsung Galaxy S6 Verizon on 5.1.1.
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1.) The Bootloader is locked so you can't like flash a package to root your phone.
2.) There are no true exploits...
^ This means that there are no exploits for the Samsung Galaxy S6 Verizon, what do I mean by this ? Well I don't consider a FLASH FILE to be a exploit of some sorts mostly because this root method is using recovery or download mode.
3.) I hope knox dies in a fire somewhere.
4.) No one is developing a exploit to root the Samsung Galaxy S6 Verizon without tripping knox
^ Why is this ? Well unlike the iOS jailbreaking community where to jailbreak your iphone you need to use a exploit that somebody put into a executable that will also install cydia and mobile substrate. We have gotten to used to using recovery mode or download mode to root a device, so when a device comes out with a locked bootloader people don't want to take the time to make a exploit for this new device.
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If anybody can post a better thread about
why you can't root the Samsung Galaxy S6 Verizon on 5.1.1.
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1. So you can't like, root it, like ever ever?
2. Sure there are, some people may simply choose not to publicly share them.
3. Knox isn't so bad. It's no worse than a locked boot loader.
4. No one? Did you confirm with all of *them*?
Also: s/a/an is OK sometimes.
s6 is like the note 3 not enough people care about it,like an unjailbroken iphone were just another sheep in the flock ,i actually hate my s6 compared to my s5 (should of never switched)they took a great phone and in my opinion ruined it all the best features i used to love are no more i find myself using my iphone more and more lateley (jailbroken of course).just my thoughts have a great day all.
I feel the same way about my S6 compared to my S4. I didn't have a problem with the plastic build, the SD card, the removable battery, and the perfect size and screen. All they had to do was speed up the internals and that's it. I too should have kept my S4. Next phone is gonna be Nexus for sure.