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Hi All,
I recently bought a HTC-Sensation 4G from T-Mobile Store in US.
I also purchased an unlock code in the internet.
Getting to Mexico I started the phone and the voice portion worked great...
BUt Data only hooks up at 2G speed, I have a 3G with unlimited data plan...
I have a friend who has an HTC-INSPIRE and his does hookup at HSPA/HSPA+ (3G).
I was told buy a compnay in Mexico that sell a version of the sensation 3G, which they say does have 850 MHZ radio, that T-Mobile Sensations does not have the 850MHZ Band required...
But in various sights I have seen the spec and it says I qoute "Bands 850, 900, 1800, 1900, 2100, 1700"
I have checd the settings menu etc.. and have not found anywhere to change the setting... can someone help?
Thanks,
Peter Fraga
PeterFraga said:
Hi All,
I recently bought a HTC-Sensation 4G from T-Mobile Store in US.
I also purchased an unlock code in the internet.
Getting to Mexico I started the phone and the voice portion worked great...
BUt Data only hooks up at 2G speed, I have a 3G with unlimited data plan...
I have a friend who has an HTC-INSPIRE and his does hookup at HSPA/HSPA+ (3G).
I was told buy a compnay in Mexico that sell a version of the sensation 3G, which they say does have 850 MHZ radio, that T-Mobile Sensations does not have the 850MHZ Band required...
But in various sights I have seen the spec and it says I qoute "Bands 850, 900, 1800, 1900, 2100, 1700"
I have checd the settings menu etc.. and have not found anywhere to change the setting... can someone help?
Thanks,
Peter Fraga
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Sorry, but the US T-Mobile Sensation does not have the 3G 850 frequency. You can't change it. It does support 2G 850, which may be part of the confusion in the frequency listings you've seen. About your only option is to sell it and get the Mexico compatible model.
Your only way arround it is to sell it and get the sensation from bell canada.
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PeterFraga said:
I was told buy a compnay in Mexico that sell a version of the sensation 3G, which they say does have 850 MHZ radio, that T-Mobile Sensations does not have the 850MHZ Band required...
But in various sights I have seen the spec and it says I qoute "Bands 850, 900, 1800, 1900, 2100, 1700"
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Buyer beware.
Lesson one: Every modern phone out there now has quad-band GSM, and will list "850, 900, 1800, 1900" in its frequency list. You know they're talking about GSM (2G) when you see that string of four numbers, because 1800 is a 2G-only band which has never been used for 3G.
Lesson two: If a phone has 850 MHz 3G, you will see the number 850 repeated twice in its band list.
For example:
GSM 850/900/1800/1900 UMTS 850/1900 <--- Yes, buy this phone, because you can see 850 repeated twice.
GSM 850/900/1800/1900 UMTS 900/2100 <--- No, do not buy this phone, because 850 is listed only once and it's under GSM.
Lesson three: If the only band info you can find is 850/900/1800/1900, then the seller is a lazy douchebag who can't even bother to give you the 3G information you need to know.
On the Nexus 5 page it states the bands as
Network
2G/3G/4G LTE
GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
CDMA: Band Class: 0/1/10
WCDMA: Bands: 1/2/4/5/6/8/19
LTE: Bands: 1/2/4/5/17/19/25/26/41
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Since I don't see 1700 MHz does that mean it won't support T-Mobile's HSPA+ speeds?
I'm currently on an iPhone 4 on T-Mobile and not having that band makes it kind of useless half the time. I'm not sure if my area has good LTE coverage some I don't know anyone with an T-Mobile capable LTE device.
Outrager said:
On the Nexus 5 page it states the bands asSince I don't see 1700 MHz does that mean it won't support T-Mobile's HSPA+ speeds?
I'm currently on an iPhone 4 on T-Mobile and not having that band makes it kind of useless half the time. I'm not sure if my area has good LTE coverage some I don't know anyone with an T-Mobile capable LTE device.
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I was getting ready to ask the same question, but I believe you'll need to have 1700 to play with HSPA+. That's what was true for my HTC One at least -- hence the reason I had to cancel my developer edition HTC One order.
Although I didn't give you a full answer, I hope this helps a bit.
If the phone doesn't support AWS HSPA+ then this is bad news for Canadians on Wind or Mobilicity. LTE support doesn't help when your provider has no LTE network.
Would tmobile really sell this phone if it didn't work with their HSPA+?
tarnar said:
If the phone doesn't support AWS HSPA+ then this is bad news for Canadians on Wind or Mobilicity. LTE support doesn't help when your provider has no LTE network.
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Dammit. :crying:
Major fail if this is true. Where is my N4?
I think it will work since it has WCDMA Band 4
http://www.rfcafe.com/references/electrical/wcdma-band-frequency.htm
They're using channels, not frequencies. It has the channels T-Mobile uses for AWS HSPA+.
T-Mobile is using channels 2 and 4 for HSPA+, as far as I know, and those are supported: WCDMA: Bands: 1/2/4/5/6/8/19
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Outrager said:
On the Nexus 5 page it states the bands asSince I don't see 1700 MHz does that mean it won't support T-Mobile's HSPA+ speeds?
I'm currently on an iPhone 4 on T-Mobile and not having that band makes it kind of useless half the time. I'm not sure if my area has good LTE coverage some I don't know anyone with an T-Mobile capable LTE device.
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FYI - HSPA = WCDMA, not GSM, so looking at the GSM frequencies isn't going to tell you anything for HSPA+ connectivity.
DarkSi08 said:
They're using channels, not frequencies. It has the channels T-Mobile uses for AWS HSPA+.
T-Mobile is using channels 2 and 4 for HSPA+, as far as I know, and those are supported: WCDMA: Bands: 1/2/4/5/6/8/19
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FYI - HSPA = WCDMA, not GSM, so looking at the GSM frequencies isn't going to tell you anything for HSPA+ connectivity.
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Cool. Thanks for the info.
WCDMA Bands 4 and 2 is T-Mobiles HSPA+ so this supports all bands for T-Mo and then some!
It even supports Sprint.
It wouldn't be the first time that band / frequency jargon confused the end user, even when the end user hopes to be relatively technically apt.
But I think the answers given are correct for the reasons given.
It's all the more confusing because different manufacturers advertise bands/frequencies in different ways - for example, look at how Apple advertises their band/frequency support vs how Google/LG does.
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If the phone doesn't support AWS HSPA+ then this is bad news for Canadians on Wind or Mobilicity. LTE support doesn't help when your provider has no LTE network.
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Switch providers...why anyone would want to go without LTE just baffles me. Especially on the newer phones that are so powerful...makes no sense?
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Just clarifying, it also supports Tmobile LTE right? I'm in Phoenix and I can't live without LTE now.
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My guess is that it doesn't support LTE because they are using Band IV 1700/2100Mhz, which N5 doesn't support.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks#Americas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-Mobile_US
http://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-5627
https://play.google.com/store/devices/details/Nexus_5_16GB_Black?id=nexus_5_black_16gb
Nexus does support band 4, but not sure if they are the same as band IV listed on TMO's site.
2G/3G/4G LTE
GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
CDMA: Band Class: 0/1/10
WCDMA: Bands: 1/2/4/5/6/8/19
LTE: Bands: 1/2/4/5/17/19/25/26/41
bigbrown said:
My guess is that it doesn't support LTE because they are using Band IV 1700/2100Mhz, which N5 doesn't support.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks#Americas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-Mobile_US
http://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-5627
https://play.google.com/store/devices/details/Nexus_5_16GB_Black?id=nexus_5_black_16gb
Nexus does support band 4, but not sure if they are the same as band IV listed on TMO's site.
2G/3G/4G LTE
GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
CDMA: Band Class: 0/1/10
WCDMA: Bands: 1/2/4/5/6/8/19
LTE: Bands: 1/2/4/5/17/19/25/26/41
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yes it will support T-Mobile's LTE. As you stated Tmo uses band 4, the N5 has band 4 support.
From my understanding the Nexus 5 does support HSPA+.
My question/concern would be, does it support HSPA+ 42Mbps or 21Mbps?
I only ask because of a chart I saw posted on G+ stating that the Nexus 5 supports 21Mbps HSPA+. Thanks.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-...AAAAMec/N3pTUpZjMCk/w346-h419/2013.11.04.+-+1
From GSMArena:
Speed DC-HSDPA, 42 Mbps; HSDPA, 21 Mbps; HSUPA, 5.76 Mbps; LTE, Cat3, 50 Mbps UL, 100 Mbps DL
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So yeah, you're covered.
br0adband said:
From GSMArena:
So yeah, you're covered.
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That answers my question above, thanks you :good:
DinoSoup said:
Just clarifying, it also supports Tmobile LTE right? I'm in Phoenix and I can't live without LTE now.
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Tmobile it's using lte band 4. So it should be covered.
Hello everybody
I'm just discover xda-developers and probably it's the best website to get anything for android phones, i have a question about the new google nexus 5, i want to use it on Italy and Spain during my work trip and i don't know if i can use it on UMTS 2100mhz (used in Europe from several cell phone providers),i tried to read several website, but i still have doubt, also called the google phone number and get no answer from them, from what i saw in goggle website doesn't tell anything about UMTS, but in other website it's appears the 2100mhz on it, but before to buy it (right now i have a nexus 4)i want to be sure it's going to work over there!!
thanks
According to the Google Play Specs.
WCDMA (umts) Band 1 = 2100 Mhz.
Another member can correct me if I'm wrong.
Dubt
lampthis said:
According to the Google Play Specs.
WCDMA (umts) Band 1 = 2100 Mhz.
Another member can correct me if I'm wrong.
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Hi thanks for the reply, but what i read in the nexus5 goggle website is:
2G/3G/4G LTE
North America:
GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
CDMA: Band Class: 0/1/10
WCDMA: Bands: 1/2/4/5/6/8/19
LTE: Bands: 1/2/4/5/17/19/25/26/41
Rest of World:
GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
WCDMA: Bands: 1/2/4/5/6/8
LTE: Bands: 1/3/5/7/8/20
why if i call them in California (or whatever location they answer) they tell me 2100mhz it's not supported???
Actually i need when i go in Spain and Italy and there i use H3G provider and they work with 2100mhz, now 2100mhz it's GSM or UMTS???
I'm confused
There is no 2100 gsm
Fyi, umts on us handset is compatible with Europe and vice versa. Only LTE not compatible
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lampthis said:
According to the Google Play Specs.
WCDMA (umts) Band 1 = 2100 Mhz.
Another member can correct me if I'm wrong.
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Thanks, Thanks and Thanks again, i just made a quick research on Google, and WCDMA it's called in Europe UMTS, ok i can bought it!!!!
But at this point the Google operators are just Monkeys!!!!! they don't know anything (and who answer me told me is technical support... technical support my ass i can say)
But thanks again for clarify me about that!!!!
hello!
i ordered the Global GSM version of the moto G will it still work with US carriers?
lamaboy99 said:
hello!
i ordered the Global GSM version of the moto G will it still work with US carriers?
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Yes. I believe the difference is that the US version has the 1700AWS band for T-Mobile. Global has the 2100 band that works better overseas.
Ok thanks I don't have TMobile or one of their subsidiaries anyway and tend to travel over seas in the summer so looks like I made the right choice anyway
US radio specs:
Global GSM Model: GSM/GPRS/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
UMTS/HSPA+ up to 21 Mbps (850, 900, 1900, 2100 MHz)
US GSM Model:
GSM/GPRS/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
UMTS/HSPA+ up to 21 Mbps (850, 1700 (AWS), 1900 MHz)
CDMA Model: CDMA/EVDO Rev A (850, 1900 MHz)
UK Band specs:
HSPA+ DL 21.1Mbps / UL 5.76Mbps- EV-DO Rev.A DL 3.1Mbps / UL 1.8Mbps
Bands/Modes CDMA: 850/1900 UMTS: 850/900/1700/1900/2100 GSM: 850/900/1800/1900
Canada, Telus Only
HSPA 850/900/1900/2100 ; GSM 850/900/1800/1900
above information pulled from thread here by no1_cdn here........
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2544708
i own the uk 8gb version screen capture of preferred list bellow
Thanks for the help guys
I'm thinking of getting the G. I will use it in Germany for 3 wks next year, and use it once (2-3 wks) in Taiwan when I visit my friends and family. I will mostly use it in the US trying out different prepaid plans. I think I'd better get a US version, but is there any chance to get 3G in Europe or Taiwan with a US version?
Thanks.
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miinshiou said:
I'm thinking of getting the G. I will use it in Germany for 3 wks next year, and use it once (2-3 wks) in Taiwan when I visit my friends and family. I will mostly use it in the US trying out different prepaid plans. I think I'd better get a US version, but is there any chance to get 3G in Europe or Taiwan with a US version?
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No with the US version you will NOT get 3G in Europe or Taiwan. You will get 2G however. If you want 3G overseas you need to the global version but you lose T-mobiles AWS band support.
thanks. Is there a phone (moto x, nexus 5, or anything) that support 3G band of all carriers in all regions?
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A thing that I've noticed in the reviews is that the US versions of the phone, the cases (at least the black one) has a "metallic" look on that M on the back while the Global / European version that M it's only glossy.
Just got my US 16gb model yesterday via Amazon. Back cover has a glossy black "M" logo, nothing metallic about it.
Bummer to hear this phone won't do 3G in Europe, I went with the USA model since I just moved over to T-mobile, and a lot of the 3G signal in my area is still on 1700 mhz. My AT&T phone was getting 3G in a lot of areas, but just enough EDGE data to annoy me and make me buy the G.
Sorry if this is stupid question but I'm new to this whole band thing. I've tried researching but no answers.
Fido moto g lte specs
Network and Wireless connection
LTE : AWS/2600/900/700 MHz
HSPA Bands: 850/1700/1900/2100 MHz
GSM Bands: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
Download/Upload Speeds: HSDPA 42.2 Mbps, HSUPA 5.76Mbps
Bluetooth® 4.0
Wi-Fi®: 802.11 b/g/
Canadian motorola site lte specs
Networks - Moto G with 4G LTE
US GSM Model:
4G LTE Bands 2, 4, 5, 17 (1900, 1700, 850, 700 MHz)
GSM/GPRS/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
UMTS (850, 900, 1700, 1900, 2100 MHz)
Wind requires AWS 1700 and 1900
I'm not sure if all UMTS 1700 is always AWS? I'm not sure if the US GSM model is the same as canadian model, but it seems to be. Fido doesn't list UMTS but I'm assuming it is since thats the only specs provided on the motorola site. If someone could explain or just let me know if it will work on WIND that would be great.
Thanks
Short answer: yes.
Longer answer: HSPA is a superset of UMTS (you may also see WCDMA, not to be confused with CDMA, which is for our purposes identical). Band 4, a.k.a AWS or UMTS 1700 is a bit unusual in that traffic from the phone to the tower is on 1700 MHz (uplink), but on 2100 MHz from the tower to the phone/user equipment (downlink).
There are three models sold in Canada: XT1032 ("Global" HSPA model) XT1034 ("US" HSPA model, AWS, sold by Wind and Videotron) and XT1040 (LTE model, the US one is the XT1045, what actual differences there are remain to be seen)
Were either of you able to confirm?
I'm on the same boat, conteplating buying the 4G LTE version from FIDO to use on Wind.
Thanks in advance!
Yes to wind
From everything i read it will work on wind as the the only moto g lte with lte 2600 is the same one that has 1700 3g band, Have either of you guys rooted and if so how and where did you find directions. Ill unlock tomorrow am and then let you guys know.
Thanks guys!
I've contacted wind tech support for an official confirmation.
As Darkshado mentioned, the only 4G LTE model listed on Motorola.ca is the US GSM 4G LTE model with the following specs:
Networks - Moto G with 4G LTE
US GSM Model:
4G LTE Bands 2, 4, 5, 17 (1900, 1700, 850, 700 MHz)
GSM/GPRS/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
UMTS (850, 900, 1700, 1900, 2100 MHz)
Everything points to this being able to run on Wind - 1700 and 2100 MHz. It'll be cool if it can..
gthompson75 - by rooting, i suppose you mean a network unlock, right? I dont think you need to "root" to get it working on Wind
wind works
OK I unlocked my Fido moto g LTE today. My model is xt1040, once unlocked no problem on wind. Took a while to get a signal but worked none the less. Hope this helps you guys.
yup, so you're in the same situation as me, i went to 2 different fido stores and no one has it in stock
went online to order it the past few days, error in the last step
call the number and order it over the phone and save your time
hopefully i will be getting the phone soon
i actually found a store called wirelesswave and they had the moto g lte, i took a look at the box, it was the xt1040 (i was expecting the xt1045 just from reading around the subforums), the front of the box does not advertise the 4g/lte at all, it's in small print on the back of the box
I can also confirm it works. Thanks for the help guys.
where did you unlock it from and how much did it cost
gthompson75 said:
OK I unlocked my Fido moto g LTE today. My model is xt1040, once unlocked no problem on wind. Took a while to get a signal but worked none the less. Hope this helps you guys.
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hey i had a quick question, where did you get it unlocked from and how much did it cost.
if i could get a website.
I have the same problem : I can't find any website to unlock it for sure.
If those who already have unlocked their XT1040 could reply, it would be fantastic.
Thanks.
Fido phone on Wind network
They
p4png said:
Sorry if this is stupid question but I'm new to this whole band thing. I've tried researching but no answers.
Fido moto g lte specs
Network and Wireless connection
LTE : AWS/2600/900/700 MHz
HSPA Bands: 850/1700/1900/2100 MHz
GSM Bands: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
Download/Upload Speeds: HSDPA 42.2 Mbps, HSUPA 5.76Mbps
Bluetooth® 4.0
Wi-Fi®: 802.11 b/g/
Canadian motorola site lte specs
Networks - Moto G with 4G LTE
US GSM Model:
4G LTE Bands 2, 4, 5, 17 (1900, 1700, 850, 700 MHz)
GSM/GPRS/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
UMTS (850, 900, 1700, 1900, 2100 MHz)
Wind requires AWS 1700 and 1900
I'm not sure if all UMTS 1700 is always AWS? I'm not sure if the US GSM model is the same as canadian model, but it seems to be. Fido doesn't list UMTS but I'm assuming it is since thats the only specs provided on the motorola site. If someone could explain or just let me know if it will work on WIND that would be great.
Thanks
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Don't believe so. In Canada, phones which work on Bell, Rogers, Telus networks will not work on neither Wind or Mobilicity networks, even though Wind mobile phone have full functionality on Mobilicity and vice versa, after unlocking, of course. In my experience, however, the unlocked Wind/ Mobilicity phone does work on the other networks, you wont get 3G or LTE data connection though, only 2G.
@chichibud31: Dude.... Did you read the thread? Multiple posts from users in the field confirming it works.
The whole "Robellus phones don't work on Wind/Mobilicity/Vidéotron and vice versa" is mostly obsolete. (Caveat emptor, but usually the worst case scenario is that you'll have to play with QPST.)
There was some truth to it back when the new entrants launched their networks and penta-band HSPA SoCs were not common. But even back then you had devices like the Telus Galaxy S 2 X that worked on AWS HSPA because it was the same model as what T-Mobile USA sold.
I've been using a Mobilicity T889V on Virgin Mobile then Koodo for about two years. DC-HSPA worked out of the box and I got LTE working as well. Activating AWS HSPA on the Rogers/Bell/Telus variant is easy.
It's been said before, the non-LTE XT1032 won't work with AWS carriers; out of the box at least, it remains to be seen if it could be modded.
That's actually a non-advertised feature of the LTE Moto G versus it's HSPA-only siblings: it can roam pretty much worldwide on 3G.